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[1. CALL TO ORDER]
CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER CUSTOM THAT WE BEGIN BY RECITING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.IF WE COULD EXCITE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, I PLEDGE TO BELIEVE
WELL, WE NEED IT, BUT WE NEED TO DO IT AGAIN.
DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, ISSUES WITH, UH, PUBLIC NOTIFICATIONS? NO GOOD
[4. ADOPTION OF AGENDA]
FOR, UH, ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA AND IT GETS SOMEONE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA.I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA MOTION MADE A SECOND ALL IN FAVOR.
[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES – March 25, 2021]
MINUTES.EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT YOUR MARCH 25TH MEETING MINUTES.
AND IF YOU HAVE, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, ANY ADDITIONS MODIFICATIONS.
UH, CAN I GET SOMEONE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE MARCH 25TH MEETING? SECONDLY IS SAY GOODBYE CHECK.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY RAISING YOUR HAND.
SO YOU WASN'T HERE AT THE LAST WEEK SAYING THAT YOU WAS PREGNANT TONIGHT AT THE MARCH MEETING? YEAH, I GUESS, I GUESS WE NEED TO ADMIT THEM THAT WE NEED TO MEET.
CAUSE IT'S SAYING THAT HE WAS FOR THAT LEAVING.
AMENDED MINUTES TO REMOVE MARK.
[6. Mr. Fiske Hopkins is requesting a Variance from the Community Development Code, Article 5, Division 5.11.60.D.1. Average House Size – River Buffer. The property is located at 473 Tarpon Blvd., Fripp Island. The property is zoned Planned Unit Development (PUD). (R400 039 000 0054)]
NUMBER SIX, UH, REQUESTING THE PARENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT OR AVERAGE HOUSE SIZE.WHAT DO YOU SEE HERE? REPRESENTATIVE MR. HOPKINS.
OH, WAS THAT JAKE? YEAH, JUST SCOTT IS ALSO ON HERE.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE REPRESENTING MR. I'M GOING TO STOP KIDS.
WELL YOU HAVE THE FLOOR TO A FOREMOST ON WHAT, WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING.
WE SUBMITTED PLANS, UM, FOR A HOUSE TO BE BUILT ON FOUR 73 TARPON BOULEVARD ON THE GIRLS' SQUARE FOOTAGE.
UH, DEEP, HEATED SQUARE FOOTAGE IS ONLY 3,200 SQUARE FEET AROUND THERE, BUT WITH THE DRIVE UNDER GARAGE AND THEN THE, UH, OUTSIDE DECKS, IT'S PUSHING US OVER THE GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 550 SQUARE FEET.
SO WE'RE REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO BE ALLOWED TO BUILD THIS HOUSE, UM, DUE TO THE SOIL CONDITIONS AND WHAT OUR ENGINEERS REQUIREMENTS DO.
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CONCRETE THE UNDERSIDE OF THE ALL WHICH IS BEING INCLUDED IN THAT GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE.UM, SO WE'RE KIND OF STUCK BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD SPOT BECAUSE THE HOA IS ALSO REQUIRING US TO HAVE A MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SEE WHAT WE CAN GET TO GET THIS GOING.
TIP, TELL ME WHAT IT IS THAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE SOIL.
SO OUR, WE HAVE A INCONSISTENT SOIL BASE, SO WE'RE HAVING TO BRING IN GRAVEL AND COME BACK TO THE SOIL IN ORDER TO GET THE HOUSE BUILT.
I ATTACHED THE LETTER FROM OUR ENGINEER ON THE, UH, ON THE APPLICATION.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO SEE SOLO ATTEMPTS.
YOU HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, SIDES, BUT THAT'S A CONCRETE PAD DUE TO THE SOIL CONDITIONS AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE SCOUR DEPTH IN THE FLOOD ZONE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
UM, WE'RE NEEDING THE CONCRETE PAD, UH, FOR THE SCOURING IN CASE WE GET A FLOOD OR HURRICANE AND WE GET SOME STORM SURGE IN THERE TO HELP STABILIZE THE SOIL AND KEEP THE HOUSE WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.
CAN'T DO THAT WITH AUGURED PUBLICS.
THE WAY HE'S GOT IT, YOUR OWN, I NEED A PAD FOR THE GARAGE.
I'M SORRY THAT DIDN'T AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION.
I'M JUST GOING OFF WITH THE ENGINEER SPECS, UM, AND MAKE MOST COST-EFFECTIVE EFFECTIVE IN HAVING A USABLE AREA UNDER THERE.
UM, IS THERE, IS THERE AN ALTERNATIVE, I'M SORRY, MY BUDGET IS, IS THERE AN ALTERNATIVE I CAN ASK HIM.
I WAS TALKING ABOUT READY TO VOTE ON ANYTHING IF WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER ALTERNATIVES, WHAT'S THE ENCROACH INTO THAT? I THINK YOU'RE MUTED.
MERRIAM'S THEY WOULDN'T GRUDGE 15 FEET INTO THEM.
CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME NOW? I'M CALLING IN THE TOP.
SORRY, YOUR THING THEY HEAR, BUT I'M HAVING TO USE TIME, RAVEN, UM, QUICKLY.
UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S NOT AN ALTERNATIVE FOR ON, AND THAT FITS YOUR LIFE AND, AND THAT'S JUST THE HEART AND BROUGHT THE NEW LADY, THE GENTLEMAN, UH, BASED ON THE SOIL CONDITION.
UM, THE LOT THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, UH, HAS RECOMMENDED.
ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVE FOR THE FOUNDATION IS TO OVER DIG THE FOUNDATION AND DIG OUT.
SCOUR BASICALLY INCREASES OUR IMPACT OF THE AREA BY AN ADDITIONAL FIVE FEET ALL THE WAY AROUND THE CIRCUMFERENCE OF THE HOUSE.
THEREFORE, UM, WE GET INCREASES OUR DISTURBANCE AREA.
WE'RE ALREADY INSIDE THE RIVER SET BACK THAT CREATES, UM, ADDITIONAL CHALLENGES THERE.
PART OF THIS OVER DIG IS THAT WE HAVE TO DIG OUT, UM, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SOIL AND BASICALLY ADD GRAVEL, UH, WHICH IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING TO, UH, TAKE AS ASCETICALLY PLEASING NOW, THE ENGINEER'S RECOMMENDATION.
AND WE PROVIDE IN THIS LETTER, ALONG WITH OUR APPLICATION INTO SOLID CORE, A CONCRETE FOUNDATION, BASICALLY JUST A CONCRETE SLAB UNDERNEATH, UM, THE HOUSE ON THE FIRST LEVEL.
WHAT THIS DOES IS PROTECTS THE SOIL FROM SCOUR AND EXPANSION.
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THE WATER DOES EVER COME UP IN THE FLOOD NOW, UH, OR COMING TO YOU GUYS, NUMBER ONE, BECAUSE THAT'S, UH, A BETTER BUILDING PRACTICE, BEST PRACTICES, METHOD OF BUILDING.UH, I DON'T THINK THAT, UH, THE FRIPP ISLANDS HOA ASSOCIATION IS GOING TO APPROVE, UH, HAVING TO DO THIS ALTERNATIVE OVER SCOUR WITH THE ADDITIONAL GRAVEL THAT GOES AROUND.
UM, WHAT, UH, BASICALLY THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE THAT WE ARE ASKING TO BUILD IS SMALLER THAN THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE.
THAT'S LESS BEDROOMS, IT'S LESS BATH, IT'S LESS FEED IN SQUARE FOOTAGE, UM, INTO THE WAY THAT YOU GUYS CALCULATE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
IF I HAD NO CONCRETE UNDERNEATH MY HOUSE, THEN I WOULD BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH YOUR ZONING LAW, SIX CALL THE ENGINEER HAS BEEN ADMITTED THAT WE POUR CONCRETE UNDER THE
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE COMING TO YOU GUYS AND ASKING FOR THIS.
OH, ARE YOU SAYING THAT IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO PUT THE COP AND THEN YOU WOULDN'T DO HE BROKE IT INTO THE BUMPER? UH, NO, SIR.
WE'D STILL WOULD BE ENCROACHING INTO THE BUMPER.
WE JUST ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU'RE HERE FOR.
UM, IT'S THE WAIT THOUGHT WE'D ALREADY BEEN APPROVED FOR, UH, ENCROACHING INTO THE BUMPER EQUAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE ADJACENT.
UH, THIS APPLICATION IS FOR THE INCREASING THE ALLOWABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOUSE BY 705 SQUARE FEET.
IF I MIGHT, IF I COULD EXPLAIN TO THE BOARD WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING HERE, UH, GIVEN THAT THIS IS AN EXISTING LOT OF RECORD, THE STAFF HAS SOME ADMINISTRATIVE AUTHORITY TO IMPROVE, TO APPROVE A HOUSE CONSTRUCTION ON THE PROPERTY WITH A SLIGHT ENCROACHMENT INTO THE BUFFER.
THEY ARE REQUESTING TO BUILD A BIGGER HOUSE, A BIGGER FOOTPRINT.
THEN WE AT THE STAFF LEVEL, UH, AGREED FOR THEM TO BUILD ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND I'LL GET FURTHER INTO THAT AS I DO MY PRESENTATION, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS HERE ON THIS PROPERTY THAT ARE INCREASING THE IMPACTS TO THOSE BUFFER THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, BUT WE'LL DO THAT AS A PART OF MY PRESENTATION.
SO, SO MR. GREEN, W WHAT SECTION OF THE CODE IS, OR THAT GIVES US THAT AUTHORITY? UH, WE'LL WE'LL LOOK IT UP HERE.
SO I DON'T HAVE TO SAY WHERE THIS HELPS IN RELATION TO Z.
YEAH, SO, UH, WE, WE ACTUALLY SUBMITTED THE SITE PLAN AND WE BROUGHT THE CLOTHES.
WE BROKE HOUSE ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TWENTY-FIVE FOOT SETBACK, BUT, UM, I SAY STATING THAT, BUT HOW DOES IT RELATE TO THE OTHER HOME? IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO JUST SIT CLOSER TO THE STREET, THEN THE ADJACENT HOMES, WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS WE INCLUDE, YOU WENT INTO THE PUMP AND YOU SHOW ME WHERE YOU'RE THE PROPOSED HOUSE SITS IN RELATION TO INCLUDE WHICH OF THE BUFFER, OH, THE HELL WE ARE EQUAL TO THE OTHER HOUSE.
AND DO YOU HAVE A PLAN THAT SHOWS THAT THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NOTHING ON THE RECORD THAT SHOWS THAT PROBLEM? YES, SIR.
I BELIEVE WE DO SHOW THE APPROXIMATE LINE OF THE ADJACENT HOUSE AS FAR AS WELL AS I'VE SEEN ONE ADJACENT HOUSE.
AND ONE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT ON THE X TO THE LEFT, AND IT'S CLEAR THAT YOU'RE A BIT FURTHER INTO THE BUFFER THAN THAT ONE APPEARS TO BE.
AND I, I CAN'T TELL ANYTHING ABOUT ONE FIVE, BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN SHOWN ON LOT FIVE IS CURRENTLY, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE FURTHER INTO THE BUMPER THAN THE HELL FROM WHAT THREE, I GUESS IT IS, UH, THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.
IS THERE THERE'S NO BACK DECK THAT'S SHOWN
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ON, UM, BLOCK THREE AND YOU CAN'T SEE MINE TOO, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT FARTHER ALONG THAN THAT, IT'S BASED ON A GOOGLE ARM OF VIEW, WHERE IN LINE, ON MY AVERAGE IN LINE OF THE HOUSE IS ON EITHER SIDE.YOU CAN'T SEE LOT HERE, UM, OR THE OTHER ONE, BUT IF YOU WERE ON THAT SIDELINE, BACK TO WHAT WE WERE ADVISED OF, WHERE WE LIKELY WOULD BE ABLE TO GET APPROVAL TO BAIT.
WELL, THERE'S NOTHING ON THE RECORD THAT SHOWS ME THAT.
IS THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR MR. HOPKINS? YEAH.
TELL ME WHY WE WERE IN THE VICINITY HAPPENED, SWIMMING POOL, UH, KNOCK IT OFF OUT.
LIKELY ABLE TO RECONFIGURE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THIS, NOT IN THE BOOK.
IS THAT CORRECT? NOT TERRIBLY BUT LIKELY.
SO THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR ME.
IF YOU'RE ASKED HER FOR SOMETHING THAT NOBODY ELSE IN THE AREA HAS, AND YOU NEED A VARIANCE FOR THAT, THEN THAT'S LIKE FRONT IS WE USE 10 POUNDS A DAY, THERE'S INTO A FIVE POUNDS.
WELL, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO HOW THE ACTUAL RENT OF MY HOUSE IS NOT LARGER THAN OTHER FOOTPRINTS THAT ARE ON EITHER SIDE.
WE ACTUALLY HAD TO BRING THEM.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS THE WAY YOU HAVE IT DESIGNED IS THAT FOOTPRINT IS IN THE BUFFER.
AND IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE POOL THERE, THEN YOU COULD HAVE A FOOTPRINT THAT WAS NOT IN THE BUFFER, OR AT LEAST LESS LIKELY LESS IN THE LITTLE BOOK THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT CORRECT.
THAT'S THE POLE IS LOCATED ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND HAD ZERO EFFECTS ON THE DEPTH OF THE HOUSE.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE FOOTPRINT RIGHT NOW, ACCORDING TO WHAT OUR UNDERSTANDING IS, AS YOU TAKE THE AVERAGE OF THE HOUSES ON EITHER SIDE AND YOU CALCULATE ONE, A NUMBER OF ACCEPTABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
UM, I AM STRUGGLING WITH IS HOW YOU DO THAT.
THAT'S WHERE IT PUT AND WITH THE POOL THERE, THAT TAKES US TO SUBSTANTIAL CORPORATION.
THE, FOR THAT YOU USE IN THE POOL THAT COULD OTHERWISE BE USED, THEREBY DECREASE THE NEED WHEN THE CREWS WENT IN AND THERE ARE NO HOLES IN THE SATURDAY THAT HAPPENS WAS NIBBLE.
THERE CERTAINLY ARE OTHER HOUSES OFFER A MILE AND A HALF.
YEAH, WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT LET ME BUILD THE ALERTS AND NONE OF THEM, THE VICINITY WHERE YOU ARE MOST OF OTHER HOUSES THAT LARGER, MORE VERTICAL, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MY HOUSE AND THE OTHER HOUSES IS I'M HAVING TO POUR CONCRETE UNDERNEATH MY HOUSE.
WELL, OTHER HOUSES ARE CALCULATED WITH THAT.
IF YOU WOULD PUT IT THE UNDERNEATH AREA OF THE OTHER HOUSES AROUND IT, THE AVERAGE CALCULATION WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE OCCUPANT.
THE ALTERNATIVE THAT WAS RECOMMENDED, OUR LAYER ARE THE BOW AND I CAN BE I'M IN COMPLIANCE.
AND I DON'T NEED A BARRIER IN ANY WAY TO DO THAT.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, I'M TRYING TO AVOID HAVING AN ADDITIONAL FIVE FOOT SCOUR THE CALLS OF THE GEO TECHNICAL RECOMMENDATIONS OF MY ENGINEER.
I'M TRYING TO AVOID THAT NOW BY INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE BY BOB BUFORD COUNTY ZONING WALLS AND THE EIGHT GO WAY UP, PERHAPS I CAN'T, I CAN'T DO THAT.
IF YOU LAY DOWN AT NIGHT, THEN BAD, THEN WE WILL MAKE ROOM AT THE START OF OUR PRODUCTS TO YOU PRIOR TO OUR HEARTS SO THAT WE CAN,
THERE'S SOME SCREENS THAT I'M WORKING VERY
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HARD TO PROTECT.THE SCOUR WILL TAKE SOME ADDITIONAL TREES AWAY FROM ME, BUT THEN, SO I'M TRYING TO AVOID GOING THAT AVENUE AND, AND HAVE THE BEST PRACTICE AND FEAR, WHICH PLEASE I HAVE HAD THIS ENGINEER'S RECOMMENDATION OF BEST BUILDING PRACTICES.
AND I, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER THAT THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE.
I'M NOT ASKING FOR A FULL, WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.
AGAIN, IF YOU GUYS TELL ME NO, THEN WE WILL GO THROUGH THE ALTERNATIVE CONSTRUCTION METHOD RATHER THAN POURING THE CONCRETE UNDERNEATH THE HOUSE.
SO MR. HOPKINS, WHAT OTHER AVENUE HAVE YOU EXPLORED TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE? YEAH, THIRD GRADE CLASS THAT WOULD BE THERE AND THE OVERDECK AND SCOUR THERE.
UM, I COULD, UM, I MEAN THAT HONESTLY, HOW WE WOULD DO IT BECAUSE UNLIKE OTHERS, UNLIKE MY NEIGHBORS, MY ENGINEER IS ASKING THAT I PLACE TIMEFRAME ON THE ENTIRE FOOTPRINT OF MY HOUSE.
IF THERE'S NOT CONCRETE THERE.
AND YOU GUYS DON'T COUNT THAT AGAINST THE GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE, IT'S JUST UNDER THE HOUSE.
LIKE EVERY OTHER HOUSE, THE DIFFERENCE IS $3 A MONTH, AND THAT WILL DECREASE MY SQUARE FOOTAGE.
IT'S ONLY 705 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS NOT MUCH, I'VE JUST FULL, HAVE CONCRETE UNDER THE HOUSE.
AND I'LL HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE FOUNDATION WITH THE OVER DIG AND THE SCOULAR.
WELL, AND, AND, AND, AND I GUESS MY, MY, YOU WERE, YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION, BUT I WAS THINKING THAT IF YOU MAY HAVE TRIED TO MINIMIZE THE SIZE OF THE HOME IN ANY WAY TO AT LEAST STAY COMPLIANT, HAVING TO THE SCOPE.
AND IF I MAY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON THAT ONE, WE DID TRY TO SUBMIT AN ALTERNATE PLAN TO THE HOA, BUT THE HOA HAS REQUESTS.
THEY'RE REQUIRING US TO HAVE A MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THIS LOCK, AND THAT'S ALSO PLAYING INTO THIS.
WHAT'S THE MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE OVER JUST SQUARE GIRLS' SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THIS.
UM, THEY'RE REQUIRING US TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF, I BELIEVE, 1600 SQUARE FEET ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE TOTAL AMOUNT REQUIRE TOTAL MINIMUM.
THEY REQUIRE ON THE FIRST, UH, FIRST FLOOR I BELIEVE IS 1600 SQUARE FEET.
AND THEN, SO, AND WE'RE ALSO LIMITED BY THE HEIGHT OF THE HOUSE.
WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE A THREE STORY HOUSE ON FOR VIOLENCE.
THIS HOUSE WAS A SMALLER BOX, UH, INITIALLY, BUT IT HAD A, IT WAS A TWO AND A HALF STORY, BUT THEY WEREN'T ALLOWING THAT, THAT STORE BECAUSE WHEREVER EXCEEDING THE HEIGHT LIMITS IN THE PROPERTY AS WELL.
SO IN ORDER TO MAKE THE HOUSE WORK, BUT THE, UH, SPACE NEEDED, WE HAD TO LOSE THE HALF STORY ON THE, UH, THE TWO AND A HALF STORIES AND BRING IT DOWN, ULTIMATELY SPREADING THIS FOOTPRINT OUT MORE.
YES, YOU MISSED, UH, I'M, I'M SOMEWHAT CONFUSED IN THIS CONVERSATION CAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE SUMMARY FROM THE COUNTY AND IT STATES THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A WAIVER FOR THE RIVER PLUS, BUT THEN I'M LOOKING AT HIS REQUEST IS ASKING FOR, TO INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE AND THEN FURTHER HIS REQUEST.
IT STATES THAT THE MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE IS 15, A HUNDRED AND NOT 16 BECAUSE HE REDUCED THE SIZE THAT MAYBE 1500 SQUARE FEET, BUT THAT'S, WHAT'S, THAT'S, WHAT'S IN YOUR APPLICATION.
SO THEN IT'S PROBABLY CORRECT.
I DON'T HAVE THE GATEWAY RIGHT IN FRONT ME.
I REMEMBER IT WOULD BE 15 OR 16.
DID YOU HAVE THAT? SO WHAT ARE WE ASKING TO INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE OR THE RATE OF BOATS?
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OKAY.WHAT DOES ONE HAVE TO DO WITH THE OTHER CALL IT SEDAN? SO SECTION FIVE POINT 11.6, TWO OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE, SUBSECTION D SAYS THAT WHERE EXISTING LOTS CONFORMING OR NON-CONFORMING ARE SO SMALL THAT A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE COULD NOT BE DEVELOPED ON THE LOT AND COMPLY WITH THE REQUIRED SETBACKS FROM THE OCRM CRITICAL LINE ESTABLISHED THE DIRECTOR MAY GRANT A WAIVER FROM THESE SETBACKS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FOLLOWING STANDARDS, UH, THE OCR IN CRITICAL LINE SETBACKS, SIGNIFICANTLY LIMITS THE HOUSE SIZE.
THE APPLICANT SHALL DEMONSTRATE THAT THE SIZE OF THE HOME WOULD HAVE TO BE LESS THAN THE AVERAGE.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE CLAIMING THAT THEY'RE NOT LESS THAN THE AVERAGE OR CLAIMING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE RIGHT IN LINE WITH THE OTHER PROPERTIES, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE OTHER HOMES ARE MUCH LARGER IN THE AREA.
SO I'D LIKE TO AGREE WITH THAT.
I MEAN, OUR, OUR TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE SEATED SQUARE FOOTAGE IS ONLY 32 96 SQUARE FEET, UM, LIKE HEATED SQUARE FOOT.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S, WHAT'S PUSHING US OVER ON, THIS IS THE UNDER, IT'S AN ELEVATED HOUSE WITH A DRIVE UNDER AND WITH IT NEEDING TO BE CONCRETED, THAT'S PUSHING US OVER.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ALONG WITH, IT'S NOT THE FACT THAT IT'S LIVING SPACE, WE HAD WITH THE DECK.
SO, UM, IT'S NOT PUSHING YOU OVER.
WE CALCULATE, WE CALCULATE THAT IN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, REGARDLESS WHETHER IT'S CONCRETE OR GRAVEL, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT CORRECT.
I WAS UNDER, I WAS TOLD THAT IF WHO WAS GRAVELED, WOULDN'T BE COUNTED AS SQUARE FOOT, GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, SO WE, WE WOULD, UH, WHEN YOU MET WITH THESE FOLKS, I BELIEVE, AND WE WOULD HAVE GRANTED THEM PERMISSION TO BUILD A SMALLER FOOTPRINT ON THE PROPERTY.
AND THEY DECIDED THAT THEY WOULD NOT REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE FOOTPRINT AND THAT THEY WOULD COME BEFORE YOU OFFER A VARIANCE TO DO ALL OF THE CONSTRUCTION THAT THEY WANT TO DO ON THE PROPERTY.
TYPICALLY, WHENEVER I GRANT A WAIVER, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT SECTION, I DO, I MINIMIZE THE CONSTRUCTION FOOTPRINT INCLUDES ALL CONCRETE, ALL PAVED AREAS, ALL POOLS, THINGS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT A NECESSITY FOR LIVING ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY.
THAT'S ALL, THAT'S AN AMENITY.
SO THE FOUR CRITERIA THAT YOU ALL HAVE TO MEET FOR THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICATION OF THE ORDINANCE CREATES AN UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP BASED ON THE SIZE SHAPE AND THE PROGRESS OF THE PROPERTY.
THEY PROBABLY HAVE THAT SITUATION GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF THIS PROPERTY THAT TAKES UP THOSE CRM LINE, BUT THAT DOES NOT ALLOW THEM TO BUILD EVERYTHING THAT THEY WANT AS A RESULT OF THAT.
UM, SO EVEN IF THERE IS AN ENCROACHMENT IN THE BUFFER, YOU STILL TRIED TO MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF CONSTRUCTION AND THE BUFFER TO THAT JUST TO THE HOUSE IS WHENEVER I GRANTED THE WAIVER IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CDC, WHAT'D YOU
I THINK THAT'S, IF I MAY, IF I MAY ADD ONE MORE POINT IT'S TAKING IN THE HOUSE IS FIVE HOUSES TO THE LEFT OR RIGHT.
UM, IF WE WERE HAD THIS LOT DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, THIS WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE BECAUSE THE HOUSE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREETS, ACTUALLY BIGGER THAN WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO, BUT, BUT YOU'RE PROBABLY FRUSTRATED HERE WE DEAL WITH PERFORMANCE.
I'M LOOKING AT YOUR HOUSE PLANS AND I'M LOOKING AT YOUR BEDROOM, THE HOUSE, CORRECT.
IF YOU, IF YOU TOOK A LITTLE BIT AWAY FROM THAT FRONT, YOU COULD MOVE THAT FOOT UP.
WOULD THAT TAKE YOU OUT OF THE RIVER BOX? THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS WORD.
WE HAVE TO HAVE THE MINIMUM SQUARE FOOT OF 1500 SQUARE FEET.
SO WE'RE LIMITED ON TAKING ENOKI FROM OUR SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
I MEAN, WE ONLY HAVE A HIKE WE'LL NAME 148 SQUARE FEET TO POLITICALLY IT'S HONOR OUR SQUARE FOOTAGE IN ORDER TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH
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THE COVENANTS OR RESTRICTIONS HAS BEEN THE, EVERYTHING.I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WOULD IT BE EASIER TO GET A WAIVER FOR THAT AND COME TO US FOR WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR FROM THE PDF? CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE YOU COULD TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT MEDICINE BED.
WHAT DID THE HOUSE, SO I'VE BEEN, THIS WOULD BE A NON ISSUE.
IT WOULD, IT WOULD CERTAINLY, I WOULD HAVE TO TAKE 12 FOOT OFF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE IN TOTAL COMPLIANCE WITH THE REAR BUMPER.
MEANING IF I TAKE 12 FOOT OFF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE BY 50 FEET, YOU'RE REMOVING 600 SQUARE FEET OF THE HOUSE.
NO, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT MASTER BEDROOM.
THAT LOOKS LIKE A STICK AND OUT FOR HER ARREST AND IT, YEAH, IT IS YOU'RE RIGHT.
THE PLANS ARE BIG, BUT IT'S ALL THAT, SIR.
I'M PULLING UP THE, ARE IT IS STICKING A TOTAL OF TWO FOOT.
IF I WERE TO REMOVE THAT TWO FOOT ON THERE, I STILL BE 10 FOOT OVER.
NORMALLY OVERHANG COUNTS TOWARDS YOUR SETBACK.
BUT YOU COULD DELETE ALL THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, CORRECT? YEAH.
THEY CAN RECONFIGURE THE FOOTPRINT.
IT LOOKS LIKE, I MEAN, I GET THE 1500 SQUARE FEET ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND, AND REDUCE THE IMPEACHMENT OR AN OPTION.
WHAT DO YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE ONLY DEALING WITH THE FILTERS AND THE LONGER YOUR WHOLE LINE THIS LOT.
I'M GRANDFATHERED IN FOR THE 15.
THEY WITH THAT'S ONE OF THE CODE IS WRITTEN THE WAY I DID IT.
THEY STILL HAVE TO MEET THE 60 FOOT BUFFER IF THEY CAN.
THAT'S WHY THE CODE IS REFERENCED.
JUST 60 FEET BUFFER IN A 60 FOOT SETBACK.
AT LEAST THAT'S THE WAY I READ THE PLANT HERE.
THAT'S THE REASON WHY THERE'S THIS REASON WHY THERE'S FLEXIBILITY FOR THE DIRECTOR TO GRANT A WAIVER IN THE CODE.
BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE LOTS THAT THEY HAVE THIS 50 FOOT BUFFER, UM, CAN'T COMPLY WITH THE STANDARDS.
I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT STAFF SHOULD HAVE THE OTHER COUNTIES.
I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK STAFF SHOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GRANT WAIVERS WITHOUT ZONING.
THE INTERNET CONNECTION IS REALLY SLOW.
SO CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME, EVERYBODY,
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MR. GREENWAY.OUR INTERNET IS RUNNING REALLY SLOW.
EVERYONE'S UH, CUTTING OUT RIGHT NOW OR MR. GREENWAY.
AND YOU'RE HEARING I CAN, YES.
I JUST, THE CONNECTION IS SLOW.
EVERYBODY CAN HIT, RIGHT? YEAH.
MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.
MR. GREENWAY, CAN YOU HEAR? YES, I CAN HEAR YOU, BUT CAN YOU GO BACK TO THIS? GOING BACK TO THE THING AND THE SUMMARY OF REQUEST IT'S H TICKETS, THE 15TH.
IF THEY WANT TO BE 45 FEET FROM THE OCRM LINE.
SO IT'S A FIVE FOOT RIVER BUFFERING CROACH MONEY AND A 15 FOOT SETBACK, ENCROACHMENT.
UM, I THOUGHT THIS, WE NEED TO START OUR MEETINGS AT PERSON.
CAN YOU CHAT THEM AND TELL THEM AND UM, THEN I'M GOING TO CONNECT A DIFFERENT WAY FOR ME.
ARE YOU IN ALLERGAN? WELL, I'M GETTING IN MR.
SOME BIRD BEQUEST CHOSEN THE COUNTY.
YOU GOT THE GALLAGHER GO RIGHT HERE.
CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME NOW? YES.
WE COULD HEAR YOU THE WHOLE TIME, BUT YOU CAN HEAR US.
UH, I THINK OUR INTERNET CONNECTION THAT'S STREAM SLOWED DOWN.
SO WE'RE PLUGGED INTO THE SYSTEM NOW.
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TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UM, JAMES, ERIC, UH, IS A FIVE FOOT RIVER BUFFERING PRODUCT AND A 15 FOOT BUILDING SETBACK AND CRUTCH THE WAY IT CURRENTLY STANDS.AND AGAIN, TO MR. WILLIAMS' POINT EARLIER, THEY COULD RECONFIGURE THE HOME FOR THEM TO MOVE OVER INTO THE POOL AREA AND REDUCE THAT DISTANCE BY FIVE FEET.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, I JUST NOTICED ON THE PLANS THAT THERE APPEARS TO BE LIKE A SEVEN FOOT OVERHANG OR SOMETHING ON, ON THE STRUCTURE, UM, THAT THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE REDONE AS WELL.
YOU'RE ON, YOU'RE ON METER, SIR, SIR.
BUT THERE ISN'T A SEVEN FOOT OVERHANG ON THE PLANS THAT HAVE 7.7.
ONE IS TO USE THE HEIGHT OF THE ELEVATION.
MAX IS A THREE FOOT OVERNIGHT GLASS TO MEET THE SETBACK.
SHARON, THAT OVERHANG HAS TO MEET THE BUILDING SETBACK.
THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED A BUILDING.
SETBACK IS BECAUSE IT APPLIES TO THE BUILDING.
AND THE OVERHANG IS AT THE 25 FOOT SETBACK.
IT'S NOT BASED ON THE PLAN I'M AT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT ENCROACHES THREE FEET.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S NOT JUST A 22 FOOT LINE.
OH, YOU'RE REFERRING TO THAT BEDROOM.
YOU CAN SEE THE OUTER LINE OF THE OVERHANG COMING OFF THE HOUSE.
YOU'VE GOT A BOLD LINE AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A MORE NARROW LINE OUT JUST BEYOND THAT.
THAT APPEARS TO BE THE OVERHANGING LINE.
SO I THINK WHAT YOU ALL HAVE TO GET WITH.
I THINK, I THINK WHAT YOU ALL MIGHT WANT TO DO IS CONSIDER A DEFERRAL THIS EVENING SO THAT YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO GET ALL OF THIS SQUARED AWAY, TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY RELIEF NEEDED ON THIS AND THEN COME BACK NEXT MONTH.
IF I MIGHT RECOMMEND THAT TO YOU.
I THINK THERE'S TOO MANY OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW FOR YOU ALL TO BE SUCCESSFUL ON THIS THIS EVENING.
AND THAT'S JUST MY PERSPECTIVE FROM A PROFESSIONAL VIEWPOINT.
SO YOU ALL MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER A DEFERRAL SO THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER THE NEXT 30 DAYS TO FIGURE OUT IF WE CAN RESOLVE THIS ISSUE SO THAT YOU ALL KNOW WHAT KIND OF RELIEF YOU'RE GOING TO NEED SO THAT WE CAN MINIMIZE THE IMPACT THAT YOU ALL ARE HAVING ON THIS BUFFER.
I TOTALLY AGREE MR. GREENWAY, UH, AT LEAST ALLOW 30 DAYS TO SEE IF WE CAN COME TO SOME KIND OF RESOLUTION TO THIS, AT LEAST FOR THE ADVOCATE, UH, MAN, THE APPLICANT COULDN'T, YOU ALL CAN DEFER YOUR DECISION, BUT IT'S ALWAYS BEST IN MY MIND IF THE APPLICANT REQUESTS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO 100% TO GET RID OF THE POOL AND HAVE THE MINIMUM OF SPORTS.
AND SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS TWO FOLD BECAUSE UP UNTIL THOSE MEETINGS, THE STAFF APPROVED THE RIVER BUFFER APPROACHED ME.
WE WERE, THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS MEETING WAS THE 550 SQUARE FEET THAT WERE OVER THIS THING.
AND NOW I'M HERE THAT THE STAFF LEVEL APPROVAL OF THE ENCROACHMENTS IS BEING REVOKED.
AND NOT ONLY ARE WE NOT BEING ABLE TO HAVE THAT BUFFER, THE BUFFER IS BEING REBOOKED, BUT NOW WE STILL DON'T HAVE THE 550 SQUARE FOOT VARIANCE APPROVED EITHER.
SO WHAT AM I ASKING FOR DEFERRAL ON YOU'RE YOU'RE ASKING HIM.
SO HERE'S THE WAY I WOULD SEE IT.
FIRST OF ALL, YOU DON'T HAVE RIVER BUFFER APPROVAL.
IF YOU HAD THAT, YOU WOULDN'T BE HERE THIS EVENING.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAME UP WITH THAT.
IF YOU HAD THAT, THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR YOU TO BE BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS STAFF WOULD NOT TELL YOU YOU HAVE APPROVAL AND THEN REQUIRE YOU TO COME AND GET A VARIANCE.
SO UNTIL I CAN THOROUGHLY UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION AND YOU ALL CAN MAKE SURE THAT YOU'VE MEASURED THE SETBACKS
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CORRECTLY ON THIS CONSTRUCTION, DAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL IF YOU GO TO A VOTE THIS EVENING BECAUSE THE BOARD OF APPEALS HAS TO FIND THAT THERE'S AN UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP BASED ON THIS PROPERTY THAT KEEPS YOU FROM BUILDING ANYTHING ON THE PROPERTY.I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'VE MET THAT TEST.
SO I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO REQUEST A DEFERRAL SO THAT YOU CAN MINIMIZE THE REQUEST AND POSSIBLY MODIFY YOUR REQUEST SO THAT IF YOU NEED RELIEF, YOU CAN MEET THE NECESSARY TASKS FOR OUR HARDSHIP NEXT MONTH, TO TRY TO GET SOME RELIEF GRANTED TO YOU.
I'M SPEAKING, I'M SPEAKING AS A PROFESSIONAL, NOT FOR THE BOARD.
UH, I, I GUESS I'M REQUESTING A DEFERRAL UNTIL WE CAN SIT DOWN WITH ZONING AND FIGURE ALL WE GOT TO DO.
AND WE APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.
WE WOULD, UH, WE CAME HERE NOT EXPECTING THAT WE WERE, UH, SCAFFOLDING OUR IN FRONT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT IT WAS NOT APPROVED YET AND IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO DISAPPROVAL.
UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT OUR BUILDING DOES NOT ENCROACH ON ANY OF THE FRAUGHT OR THOUGHT THAT BACKS.
THE ONLY SETBACK THAT WE WERE ENCROACHING ON IS A RIVER BUTLER.
JUST LIKE ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS.
UH, IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS MAYBE WAS DIRECTLY RELATED TO OUR REQUEST FOR HARDSHIPS BASED UPON THE TYPE OF FOUNDATION AND THE RECOMMENDATION OF OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER AND POURING THE TIMEFRAME UNDER THE HOUSE AND ASKING THAT YOU ALLOW US TO BILL 705 SQUARE FEET MORE, RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT'S NOT EVEN A BARRIER THAT WE WOULD HAVE IF YOU COULD MEET THEM.
IF YOU COULD MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ON THE LOT, WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE.
THAT'S THE REASON WHY YOU'RE HERE IS TO HAVE A CLASSROOM LATE FROM A DEVELOPMENT STAND, SORRY.
AND YOU ALL MISUNDERSTOOD THAT, BUT I THINK, I THINK THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION IS FOR THE DEFERRAL TO OCCUR SO THAT WE CAN WORK OUT THE CONFUSION SO THAT WE CAN PRESENT A CLEAR CASE TO THE, TO THE ZONING BOARD NEXT.
I APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE THE DEFERRAL.
UM, IS THERE A WAY TO SIT DOWN WITH SOMEBODY IN THE ZONING PERSON SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE WILL REACH OUT TO YOU ON SCHEDULE THAT MEETING TOMORROW AND IT'LL BE IN OUR OFFICE HERE AT THE COUNTY BUILDING ON MQ.
THAT'D BE WONDERFUL FOR THAT, BUT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH A FOLLOW JOB FOR WHITES AND EVERYONE, WE TRIED TO GET IN THERE AND TOLERABLE THE BAND.
OBVIOUSLY COMMUNICATION HAS BEEN CHALLENGING FOR EVERYONE.
AND, UM, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT AND WE'D APPRECIATE THAT AND I'M SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION, BUT WE'LL GET IT.
WE'LL GET IT RESOLVED FOR YOU AND GET YOU BACK IN YOURS, UH, NEXT MONTH.
IF YOU NEED TO COME BACK NEXT MONTH.
THIRD IS TO OUR NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING.
IT NEEDS TO BE PROPERLY MADE A SECOND ALL IN FAVOR.
SO THAT WILL BE ON OUR NEXT SCHEDULED.
UH
SO YOU ALL KNOW WHAT THE ADJACENT FOOTPRINTS ARE, SO THAT YOU'LL KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO ENCROACH PAST THE OTHER, OTHER EDGES OF THE HOMES.
SO FOR THIS NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO WE CLOSED THE PUBLIC TO COME IN.
[8. Mr. & Mrs. James Ware are requesting a Variance from the Community Development Code, Article 4, Division 4.2.190.D.2.B. Dock Length on a Small Tidal Creek. The property is located at 1 Big Oak Street, Buckingham Landing Community, Bluffton. The property is zoned Buckingham Landing Community Preservation District (BLCP). (R600 041 000 0273)]
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SO MR.IT'S A PLEASURE TO APPEAR BEFORE YOU ALL OF YOUR GAMES WIRE.
ONE OF MY TWO CLIENTS HAS LOGIN.
THEY GO OVER IN BUCKINGHAM LAND.
THEY APPEAR BEFORE YOU TODAY REQUESTING A VARIANCE FROM THE COUNTY'S, UH, CDC PROVISION, WHICH REQUIRES HER PAID MAXIMUM DOCK OR PERMIT DOCK LINK OF 300 FEET ON WHAT IS KNOWN AS A SMALL TITLE CREEKS, SMALL TIME OF CREEK.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY AS MACKEY'S CREEK.
I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT A FUCKING HAM LANDING IS.
AND IF YOU EAT ANY POINT OF REFERENCE, THE COUNTY'S FERRY DOCK, AND IT IS OPERATED FROM THE COUNTY PROPERTY, BUT DOWN THERE IN BUCKINGHAM LANDING TO IN 2019,
THE KEY ISSUE BEFORE THIS IS THAT IT'S ALSO THE EXTRAORDINARY, UNUSUAL OYSTER BEDS THAT LIE JUST TO THE EAST OF THE WARES PROPERTY.
A 300 FOOT DOG WOULD LEAVE THEM DIRECTLY OVER ONE OF THE MAIN NOR'EASTER SHELTER BEDS.
I HAVE PROVIDED YOU ALL WITH A LETTER PROMOTE CRM.
YOU ALSO HAVE THE PERMANENT FILE, BUT I'VE ALSO PROVIDED YOU WITH A LETTER PROMOTE CRM THAT WAS ISSUED ON APRIL NINE, 2021, WHICH SAYS THAT WE MOST AVOID THE IMPACTS OF THE OYSTER SHELL AND RESOURCES AT THE 300 FOOT MARK, THE WAITERS HAVE DONE EVERYTHING THEY CAN, WHICH IS TO TRY TO FIND ANOTHER WAY TO DO IT.
WE ARE HERE AGAIN REQUESTING THE BEARING US TO APPROXIMATELY 365 FEET FOR THE DOG.
I REMIND YOU ALL CAN ONLY BE WORN AND THAT PROVIDES THAT THERE'S A 300 FOOT LIMIT, BUT THERE'S ALSO A 500 FOOT LIMIT.
IF THERE IS A COMMUNITY DOCK INVOLVED AND HAVING A LITTLE KNOWLEDGE OF THIS, BECAUSE I HAPPENED TO BE SERVING ON COUNTY COUNCIL AT THE TIME IT WAS ADOPTED.
UM, JUST FOR BACKGROUND, I THINK MOST OF YOU PROBABLY KNOW THIS ALREADY 1990S, THE COUNTY WAS LOOKING AT A PROLIFERATION OF DOCS OF MORE THAN A THOUSAND FEET IN LENGTH BECAUSE PEOPLE ALL OVER THE COUNTY, WE'RE BUILDING ACROSS MO UH, TYLER MARSH, LAOS, AND THE COUNTY SALT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT IN ORDER TO AID THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ON THE, BASICALLY THEY CAME DOWN TO A 500 FOOT LENGTH.
UM, AND THAT'S REALLY THE KEY.
I THINK THAT THE COUNTY RAISED AT THAT POINT IN TIME AS BEING THE MAXIMUM LIKE INDIVIDUAL DOCS WERE SET AT 300 FEET AND THIS BOARD HAS THE AUTHORITY TO GRAHAM.
OF COURSE, IF BEARINGS, I PROVIDED YOU ALL WITH A SUMMARY OF THE EIGHT POINTS THAT I'LL FEEL, UM, VARIOUS MEATS AND JUST PICK OUT A QUICKLY GO THROUGH THEM.
OF COURSE, THERE IS AN EXCEPTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCE IN THAT AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE OVERHEAD PHOTO, WHICH WAS GIVEN TO YOU, THERE IS A FINGER OF MOISTURE SHELLS THAT EXTENDS DIRECTLY EAST OF THE WARES, UH, PROPERTY.
YOU, WHAT YOU CAN'T SEE FROM LOOKING AT THE OVERHEAD THAT ERIC, IF Y'ALL CAN PUT THAT UP.
IT WAS THE FACT THAT THE ACTUAL MACKEY'S CREEK CHANNEL IS ABOUT 127 FEET IN WIDTH AT THIS POINT.
AND WHILE THAT CERTAINLY QUALIFIES AS A NARROW CHANNEL, THE WARES DOCK WILL NOT HAVE ANY IMPACT ON IT WHATSOEVER.
YOU ALL HAVE ALL BEEN PROVIDED WITH COPIES OF LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBORS.
ALL OF WHOM HAVE SAID THAT THEY BELIEVE THE WEARERS ARE GOOD AND DECENT PEOPLE WHO WILL BE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AND ARE TRYING TO DO THE BEST THEY CAN.
THE ONLY QUESTIONABLE LETTER WHATSOEVER IS SUBMITTED BY JEFF AND ALLISON TOMORROW, WHO I KNOW WELL, WHO DO OPERATE SHRIMP BOATS, AND THE TIMONER IS SIMPLY REQUESTED BEFORE THEY GIVE THEIR BASICALLY AHA TO IT THAT IT'D BE STAKED OUT.
AND WHAT I WOULD SAY TO YOU AND WHAT JAMES CAN AFFIRM IS THAT THE OCR PERMANENT PROVIDES THAT THE DOCK ITSELF MUST BE COMPLETELY STAKED DOWN.
SHE, SHE, OH, I MUST BE COMPLETELY STAKED OUT BEFORE THE FINAL OCRM PERMIT IS GIVEN TO THE CONSTRUCTION AND ANY OF THAT.
SO AGAIN, BEING AWARE OF THE TIME, I WOULD SIMPLY SPEAK TO THE CREW AND ACKNOWLEDGE PEOPLE THAT BECAUSE THE MORE SHE IS CREATING A SITUATION AND IMPACT ONLY THIS PARCEL, THE FIRST REQUIREMENT IS THAT THE SHOW OF MARSHES WERE CERTAINLY NOT CREATED BY THE WIRES.
THEY WERE CREATED BY EITHER GOD ALMIGHTY OR THE COURSE OF TIME, UH, BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION THAT THE CHILD WOULD MARS BE, FRICTIONS WILL EFFECTIVELY PROHIBIT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE WARES ALREADY PERMITTED RESIDENTS.
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AND I WOULD, AGAIN, REMIND ALL MEMBERS THAT NORMALLY EACH OF THE PROPERTY IN BUFORD COUNTY DOES COME WITH.THE INHERENT EXPECTATIONS ARE OF BEING ABLE TO USE THAT WATERFRONT AS LONG AS YOU CAN, WHEREAS THEY'RE A NICE YOUNG, RESPONSIBLE COUPLE.
THEY ARE NOT TRYING TO BUILD ACROSS A THOUSAND FEET OF MARSH.
THEY'RE SIMPLY TRYING TO REACH THE EDGE OF THE MACKEY'S CREEK SO THAT THEY CAN ADEQUATELY USE THE BOAT AND USE AND ENJOY A DOCK FOR THEIR YOUNG FAMILY.
THOSE AREAS THAT WOULD NOT CREATE ANY TYPE OF SPECIAL PRIVILEGE ON THE APP COMES WITH THOSE DENIED OTHERS WHO WAS, AS YOU CAN SEE, BECAUSE OF THE LAY OF THE LAND, THE OLDER PEOPLE THAT ARE TO THE, WHERE SOUTH OR ABLE TO REACH THE EDGE OF THE CREEK WITHOUT HAVING TO GET A FERRY, THE 300 FOOT LINK DID NOT STOP MOST OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORS.
AND THAT IS THE SOLE REASON WHY THE WIRES NEED WANT IS BECAUSE OF THE EXTRAORDINARY, UH, BASICALLY SETTING THE GELS AND THE SITES THAT ARE THERE, THE LENGTH OF THE DOCK AT 365 FEET, THE MINIMUM NECESSARY TO ALLOW FOR REACHING THE NAP.
THE MINIMUM NECESSARY BEARINGS THAT WE COULD ASK FOR, WE CERTAINLY WILL BE IN HARMONY WITH THE GENERAL PURPOSE OF P D FOR RESIDENTIAL HOMES, ALMOST WHICH ALREADY HAS THOUGHT THE VARIOUS PERMIT WOULD CERTAINLY NOT IMPACT THE HEALTH OF PERSONS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND AS YOU ALL CAN SEE, EACH OF THE NEIGHBORS SAYS, UH, THAT ARE CLOSE BY HAVE SUPPORTED IT.
AND IT CERTAINLY IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT PROVIDES THAT WHILE WE TRY TO LIMIT DR.
LINKS TO 300 FEET, IS THAT THE REAL LIMIT OF DUPLIN COUNTY IS 500 TO 500 FEET BECAUSE WE DETERMINED THAT WAS ABOUT WHAT THE MAXIMUM EXTENSION AND AT 365 FEET, WE DO NOT BELIEVE THIS WOULD BE IMPACTFUL ON THE ENVIRONMENT AT ALL, AND WILL SIMPLY BE A BENEFIT FOR WIRES.
AND WE ASKED FOR THE FORCE BEARINGS, ANY QUESTIONS? YES, SIR.
IT, AND I JUST WANTED TO BE CERTAIN WHERE EXACTLY ON THIS, THIS, THIS, UH, SITE IS NUMBER ONE BIG OLD WORLD.
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE GREEN THINGS THAT STICK OUT FROM THE COUNTY'S BUILDING AND YOU COME ABOUT SEVEN O'CLOCK TO THAT COURSE, YOU SEE THE MAIN DOCK, UH, AND GOOD FINGER THAT COMES IN FOR THE COUNTIES, UH, FERRY BOAT CAN BE THE WHITE HOUSE THAT IS SITTING RIGHT THERE FAST.
YEAH, ACTUALLY YES, ACTUALLY, YES, THE DISTURBED AREA RIGHT THERE, UH, AT THE FIRST TWO LOTS RIGHT THERE PAST THE ENTRANCE ROAD, GOING TO THE FERRY PROPERTY
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE AERIAL PHOTO WAS 2020.
WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE THE LATEST, BUT ANYWAY, SO, BUT I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THE, UM, YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THE THINGS THAT MR. TAYLOR REFERENCED IN HIS PRESENTATION WITH REGARDS TO THE BEDS THERE, BETWEEN THE BOAT LANDING AND, UH, WHAT, WHAT APPEARS TO BE A LITTLE CANAL, UH, RUNNING UP INTO THE PROPERTY THERE.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT IS, OR IF THAT'S JUST PART OF THE, UH, PART OF THE TIDAL WATERS.
SO ANYWAY, SO YOU DID SAY THAT THERE IS NO OTHER DIABETIC SEEDS, 300 FEET.
I BELIEVE ELLERY LOOKED AND DID NOT DETERMINE THE PHARAOH OR ANY OTHERS THAT HAD TO HAVE A VARIANCE.
AND YOU CAN SEE ALL THE DOCS THAT ARE THERE.
I HOPE THAT ANSWERED THE QUESTION.
AND I BELIEVE I WAS RIGHT WHEN I SAID THAT HILLARY HAD LOOKED AT THAT AND I BELIEVE THAT DETERMINED, THERE WERE NO OTHER VARIANCES GRANTED, NOR WOULD THIS SET A PRECEDENT FOR ANY OTHERS.
BEAUTIFUL, MRS. LAST ONE ON THE CREEK.
SO MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A QUESTION.
COULD THE COUNTY TAKE THAT ARROW AND DRAW, PULL OUR AT DARK, TRYING TO COME OFF THAT PROPERTY OUT TO THE EDGE OF THE WATER.
IT'S GOING TO SPLIT THIS LINE RIGHT HERE.
IT LOOKS LIKE, AND GO STRAIGHT OUT.
AND IT'S NOT, I WILL POINT OUT TO YOU.
IT'S MORE LIKE 400 FEET BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT MR. TAYLOR CAN COUNT THE BOAT DOCK.
AREN'T THE, UH, THE APPEAR HEAD THAT WAS SHOWN IT'S A 365 FOOT BOARDWALK, THEN YOU'VE GOT A 13
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FOOT PIER HEAD AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A 24 FOOT RAMP, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A BOAT LIFT ON ONE SIDE OF THAT RAMP.AND THEN YOU'VE GOT TO FLOAT A 37 FOOT FLOAT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RAMP INTO THE WATER THERE.
I JUST WANTED THAT TO BE CLEAR, YOU'RE ON THE RECORD.
IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S, YOU KNOW, AS GOOD OR BAD AS I JUST WANTED TO RECORD TO BE CLEAR, RIGHT? YEAH.
BECAUSE I, I DID NO RESPECT OR ONE OF THE IMAGE OR ONE OF THE, UH, AND THEN MR. TAYLOR EMAILED, I GUESS THE HOMEOWNER MAY HAVE SAID THAT MR. MAY HAVE SAID THAT STATING THAT THE ENTIRE DOCK FLOAT AND EVERYTHING WAS NOT, WAS NOT EXCEEDING THE 365 FEET.
SO FOR A LITTLE BIT, GIVEN MR. THUMB COULD YEAH.
MR. MAC, THANK YOU FOR RAISING THAT BECAUSE IT'S THE EXACT SAME ISSUE I RAISED WITH CHAINS WHERE YOU GET THE OVER 400 FEET ERIC, IN WHICH OF COURSE IN MY NARRATIVE, I HAVE REFERRED TO BECAUSE I TOOK IT FOR MOST CRMS PERMIT PACKAGE.
THAT IS THE MAXIMUM EXTENT THAT OCRM WOULD ALLOW, HOWEVER, THE OVERLAY AND ERIC, IF YOU CAN, I'D APPRECIATE IF YOU SHOWED THAT ALL THE LAWSUIT AND BOARD MEMBERS HABIT THAT SHOWS THE 365 FOOT TOTALLY LINK IS WHAT WE BELIEVE AND OUR BEST ESTIMATE TO BE THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION.
ONCE IT IS SET, ONCE IT IS SET FORTH AND LAID OUT.
AND IN ESSENCE, STAKED OFF, WE THINK THAT'S THE MINIMUM DISTANCE THAT WILL BE NECESSARY TO GET OUT TO THE SIDE OF THE CHAMP.
AND OF COURSE, THOSE CRM WANTS THEM TO BUILD IT AS SHORT AS THAT CAN BE, EVEN THOUGH THE, IS THAT FOR MOST OF THE RMS, A LITTLE OVER 400 FEET WITH THE ADDITION OF THE FLOATING DOCK AND THE GANGPLANK, UM, THIS OVERVIEW THAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT, THE JOB BEEN PROVIDED, IT SHOWS 365 FOOT TOTAL IS WHAT WE BELIEVE ABSOLUTELY IS LIKELY TO BE THE MAXIMUM EXTENT NECESSARY.
SO THE 365, CAUSE I HEARD YOU SAID MINIMUM EARLIER, BUT SO THE THREE 65 WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM THAT YOU WOULD NEED.
THE OCRM, UH, ASK YOU TO PERMIT MORE THAN YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU DON'T COME UP SHORT.
BUT I VERIFY THAT MYSELF WITH A TAPE MEASURE IS 365 FEET MAXIMUM LENGTH OF THE DOCK.
THAT IS TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE FLOAT.
THAT IS THE, THAT IS THE MAXIMUM LANE THAT WE KNOW WE NEED.
WE WILL NEED, WE WILL NEED AN UPDATE.
IT'S GOT THE VARIANCE WITH THAT WRITTEN.
IF THAT WOULD MAKE IT FEEL BETTER, WE WILL WE'LL NEED AN UPDATED DRAWING BECAUSE THE DRAWING THAT WE HAVE IN OUR FILE HERE CLEARLY SHOWS A 365 FOOT BOARDWALK, A 13 FOOT PIER HEAD AND ANOTHER 24 FOOT ROUND.
SO THIS IS, I GUESS, I GUESS I JUST SAID THAT OCRM ASKS YOU TO BURN PERMIT MORE THAN YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU COME, IF YOU DON'T COME UP.
BUT IN THAT SAME PERMIT ATTACHED TO THAT THINGS ARE ONLY THE OCRM REQUIRES THAT THE DOCK IS STAKED AND OCRM APPROVES IT BEFORE ANY CONSTRUCTION IS MADE.
I MEASURED IT MYSELF IS 365 BIG ALL THE WAY TO THE EDGE OF THE FLIGHT OUT ON THE BLOCK TODAY, THE MAXIMUM, THE MAXIMUM LENGTH OF THE DOLL FROM THE, FROM THE BEGINNING TO THE END, BUT NOTHING FOR TRAINING FASTED IS 365.
I WOULD REMIND THEM ALSO REQUIRES AN
AND CERTAINLY AGAIN, IF THE BOARD WAS JUST DEEMED 365 FOOT MAXIMUM ON IT, YOU'LL HAVE ALL, ALL THE CONFIRMATION YOU WOULD NEED ONCE THE AS-BUILT IS SUBMITTED OR EVEN WHEN IT'S STACKED OUT.
THAT'S CERTAINLY WHAT WE INTEND TO BUILD AS A SHORT, AS POSSIBLE TO GET TO THE WATER.
UH, IS THIS A SHARE DOCK BETWEEN LOTS ONE AND TWO? NO, ERIC, YES.
I MADE THE APPLICATION AND I BELIEVE THAT TECHNICALLY IS THAT YES, BUT I THINK MOST OF AUSTIN'S POSITION ON THAT IS THAT IT IS NOT BECAUSE APPARENTLY SHE ONLY COUNTS THE ONE BOUGHT I CAN'T IN GOOD FAITH REPRESENT TO YOU THAT IT IS A COMMUNITY DOCS OR
SO THE BONES THAT WE'D BE ALLOWED ON THE CODE WOULD NOT KICK IN.
CAUSE YOU'RE NOT 400 FEET ON A SHARED DOC, CORRECT.
IF THERE IS WATERFRONT, THAT MATCHES THAT IT'S A BONUS STOCK SITUATION, BUT WE'RE NOT APPLYING
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THAT STUFF.THE TWO LOTS NO LONGER EXIST, EVEN THOUGH THE LINE IS SHOWING US THE PROPERTY WAS COMBINED SO THAT THEY COULD BUILD THE HOME AND YEAH.
THE PROPERTY IS NOT THE MONEY.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT A SHARED DOC.
THERE'LL BE GLAD TO SHARE IT WITH THEIR SECOND PLOT.
WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA NEED ATLAS SURVEY AND TO REDO THOSE DRAWING IS THERE'S A LOT OF INACCURACY IS ON THIS DRAWING THAT I HAVE HERE IN THE, IN THE PACKET, MR. GRAY, WHITE.
UM, WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO DO, BECAUSE THE QUESTION SEEMS LIKE THE VARIANCES APPROPRIATELY BEFORE THE BOARD.
WE'RE NOT ASKING, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A SPECIFICALLY RELATING TO, UM, WHATEVER IT IS A LOSS YOU REFERRING TO IS SIMPLY ABOUT STOP.
WELL, I'M JUST SAYING THAT THE RECORD OUGHT TO BE CLEAR, MR. TAYLOR AND THE DOCUMENTS IN THE RECORD OUGHT TO BE ACCURATE.
AND I DON'T HAVE ACCURATE DOCUMENTS IN THE RECORD BECAUSE I'VE GOT A, I'VE GOT A SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS THE PROPERTY LINE IN THE WRONG LOCATION.
AND I'VE GOT A, I'VE GOT A DRAWING THAT SHOWS 400 FEET PLUS WORTH OF DOCK AND RAMPS.
AND YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT STREET 65.
SO ALL I'M SAYING IS WHENEVER WE GO TO PERMIT, WE'RE GOING TO NEED AN ACCURATE GROWING AS TO WHAT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE PERMITTED.
BUT AS MR. WARE TESTIFY OR MR. WEAR PANTS OR EARLIER, THE OCRM ASKS YOU, WHEN YOU SUBMIT THE PERMIT TO PUT THE MAXIMUM THAT YOU MIGHT NEED.
WE NOW KNOW THAT IT'S ONLY 365.
SO THERE WAS CERTAINLY NO INTENT TO DECEIVE HER BAD DOCUMENTS OR WE CAN GET ACCURATELY BEYOND DOCUMENTS BEFORE, BEFORE APARTMENTS.
AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT EVEN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THERE WAS AN INTENT TO MISLEAD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT THE DOCUMENTS WE HAVE DON'T APPEAR TO BE ACCURATE.
SO ONCE WE GET THROUGH THIS, WE'LL JUST NEED TO HAVE THE, THE ACCURATE DOCUMENT SUBMITTED FOR OUR APPROVAL AND, AND ZONING PERMITS.
SO I UNDERSTAND MR. MR. GREENWAY, IF I CAN, THE REASON THAT YOU HAVE THAT DOCUMENT IS BECAUSE THAT'S THE DOCUMENT THAT WAS TO BOND WITH THOSE WHO IN PERMIT.
WE, WE, WE GOT THE PERMIT BEFORE WE KNEW A LOT ABOUT AND BUILT THE HOUSE.
THAT'S ALL I, YOU HAVE THAT DOCUMENT.
SO AS A KNOW, THIS IS AN OLD PLAT THAT'S CORRECT.
THEY USED TO BE, THEY'RE USING MS. TERM OR USED TO HAVE A, UM, A, A MOBILE HOME IN THE CENTER OF THAT LOT, RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S WHERE THAT FILE WAS GENERATED FROM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR.
SO, UM, IT DEFINITELY, YOU WILL STICK THAT OUT.
DEPLOYED CONSTRUCTION IS MADE FOR OCRM AND JEFF, ABSOLUTELY.
THAT HE BRINGS IT UP NEAR SOMETIMES HE DOES IT DOCKET THERE REGULARLY, BUT HE DOES COME IN HERE, PROMPTED IT AT TIMES.
AND I SPOKE WITH MR. TAMER TODAY AND HE GAVE ME THE THUMBS UP.
AND I THINK HE SPOKE WITH MR. JIM AS WELL, OR JOHN.
I SPOKE WITH MR. DOMER AND HE WAS GOOD WITH THIS AT 365 FEET.
HE SAID HE HIT THEM TRIPLE CHIN OUT OF THEIR HIJAB.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MET YOU WHEN WE GOT OFF TO A QUICK, THIS ONE, I, I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED AT THE VERY BEGINNING, AS I HAD DISCLOSED BEFORE HOLLY AND I CALL THEM CLOTH, THIS IS NOT ONE OF THOSE PAGES.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN FOR FULL DISCLOSURE, MR. WHERE CAME, DID EVEN TELEPHONE CALL TO ASK YOU ABOUT THIS CLIENT TO REPRESENT HIM, DIDN'T HAVE ANY SORT OF SUBSEQUENT CONVERSATION WHATSOEVER.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT I HAVE ANY SORT OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE OF THAT.
DID THEY CONSIDER ANY OTHER CONCERNS, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR THE COUNTY? NO.
THE COUNTY STAFF ANALYSIS IS IN YOUR PACKET.
WE DID RECOMMEND THAT THE REQUEST NOT BE APPROVED, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE ONLY DOC IN THE AREA THAT WOULD BE 300 FOOT PLUS.
AND IT, UH, THERE ARE SOME, IN MY OPINION, AFTER REVIEW ON THE MAP AND ALL, THERE ARE SOME TOPOGRAPHIC SIZE AND SHAPE OF THE LOT, UH, HINDRANCES TO THIS WITH REGARDS TO THE HORSEPOWER BED AND ALL THAT TO TOM, TO MR. TAYLOR'S, UM, PRESENTATION.
AND ALL, I DO THINK THERE IS SOME ROOM FOR RELIEF HERE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE AS STATED IN THEIR APPLICATION.
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THANK YOU, MRS. GREENWAY.[9. Public Comment (Comments Limited to Three (3) Minutes)]
UH, THE ONLY, THE ONLY COMMENT WE HAVE IS THE LETTER THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN RESOLVED.I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WERE TWO LETTERS THAT WAS, UH, IN FAVOR OF IT.
AND ONE OF, OF CONCERN, WHICH WAS, UH, JIM THAT'S, RIGHT? NO, SIR.
WELL, WE HAVE THOSE IN THE RECORDS.
UM, WHAT WAS THAT BEING SAID? CAN I GET SOMEONE TO MAKE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, SIR.
UH, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE 365 FEET, AND THAT INCLUDES ALL FLOATS, UH, PIERS RAMPS AND BOAT LIFTS.
THE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE SECOND.
HOW MANY CAN I GET SOMEONE TO MAKE A SECOND EMOTION? I THINK SESSILE MAN HAD HIS HANDS UP A SECOND.
SO LET'S, WE PROBABLY MADE THE SECOND AND ALL IN FAVOR OF UPGRADING THIS DARK THAT SHOULD NOT EXCEED NO MORE THAN 365 FEET BY RAISING YOUR OWN PAIN.
SO THAT IS ANONYMOUS TO THEREFORE, I GUESS YOU CAN PROCEED FROM THIS POINT, MR. FEELER, AND, UM, JUST GET BACK WITH THE COUNTY.
I GUESS YOU GUYS HAVE OUR BLESSING ON YOUR SICK TO GO TO SIX.
THANK YOU FOR THE BOARD FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.
THANK YOU, MR. FLAKE, IF YOU WANT TO HANG ON, I'LL GO AHEAD AND SCHEDULE THE MEETING WITH YOU, RIGHT? YEAH.
WHERE YOU HAVE TO CLOSE OUT THE JUICE.
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GOT TO GET SOMEONE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.HEY, WHAT ABOUT THE, WAS THERE ANY
YEAH, BUT YOU CAN JUST WRITE IT UP AND SEND IT BACK TO ME.
SO IT'S A PRETTY DETAILED PROCESS.
OKAY, KEVIN, I NEED TO TALK TO YOU.
NO, LET'S, LET'S TALK NOW THAT NEW WITNESS IT'S ABOUT YOUR CLIENT.
WHO WANTS YOU TO FEEL HER LOT ON HARBOR ISLAND WITH TWO LOADS OF DIRT? NO FOUR TRUCKS WAS UP THERE.
I'LL DEFINITELY COME BY YOUR OFFICE IN THE MORNING AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET YOU HERE.
HO, HO, HO TO CLOSE I ADJOURN.