[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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WILL YOU PLEASE JOIN ME WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
PUBLIC NOTIFICATION HAS BEEN MADE.
[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THAT THEY WANT TO ADD TO THE AGENDA? WE HAVE ONE ITEM.UM, WE'LL GO FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS OR INPUTS THAT ARE, UM, NOT ON THE RELEVANT TOPICS OF THE DAY? THEY'RE NOT ON THE AGENDA THAT WISH TO BE EXPRESSED AT THIS TIME, ANYBODY KNOW ANYTHING.
[6. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DRAFT]
WE'RE AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DRAFT THE INTENT OF THE DAY AND CORRECT ME, ROBIN, THIS WAS WRONG WAS TO REVIEW, UH, ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS THAT A COMMISSIONERS MIGHT HAVE A SUPER CHANGE TO THE FIRST SEGMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IS A CONSTANT HEAD TO A PLAN ITSELF, AS OPPOSED TO THE ATLAS AND THE WORK PLAN.UM, WE, AT THIS POINT IT'S, IT'S JUST, THERE'S NO, IT'S NOT OUR FINAL APPROVAL PROCESS IS JUST A RECOMMENDATION OR COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE OR CLARIFICATION THAT YOU MIGHT NEED, UH, WITH THAT IN MIND.
WHY DON'T WE JUST START AT ONE END AND WORK OUR WAY AROUND? AND IF YOU HAVE ANY RELEVANT, UH, COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE OR SUGGESTIONS OR QUESTIONS, UM, MR. MERCHANT IS HERE TO RESPOND.
WHY DON'T WE START WITH YOU INCESSANTLY THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
UM, WHEN UNDER C1 ACTIONS, THEY TALK ABOUT, UM, LOOKING AT MAYBE C2 OR ANYWAY, IT'S ABOUT HAVING, UM, ACCESS FEES OR USER FEES FOR BOAT LANDINGS.
AND THAT SEEMS TO CONTRADICT OTHER THINGS IN THE DOCUMENT, WHICH TALK ABOUT EXPANDING AND ENCOURAGING THE USE OF RECREATIONAL WATER RELATED ACTIVITIES, WHETHER THEY'RE KAYAKS OR, YOU KNOW, MOTOR BOATS OR WHATEVER.
SO I GUESS I'D LIKE TO BE ON THE RECORD.
IT'S SORT OF ASKING YOU TO RETHINK THAT.
UM, I GUESS IT'S THE THIRD BULLET POINT ON, ON PAGE 31, UM, PURSUE FUNDING SOURCES, GRANTS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT DNR WATER, YOU KNOW, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, AND LOCAL REVENUE GENERATING SOURCES SUCH AS BOAT, LENDER, BOAT, LANDING, USER FEES.
SO, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT THAT COUNTY FACILITIES, UM, WOULD BENEFIT FROM HAVING SOME PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS OR IN A COUNTY RECREATIONAL SPACE.
THERE MIGHT BE A REVENUE GENERATING ASSET ON A WATER SLIDE FOR THE SAKE OF DOCK OR TENNIS COURTS.
BUT I SOMEHOW THINK THE BOAT LANDINGS, UM, ARE VERY IMPORTANT AND I THINK IT ALSO BE A NIGHTMARE TO ENFORCE.
OH, YOU WANT ME TO KEEP GOING THROUGH MY WHOLE LIST? UM, WELL, LET'S GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE MAYBE SAW AROUND ONE TIME AND THEN COME BACK.
UM, I HAD A COMMENT ON, UM, LET'S SEE, E SIX D DEVELOP A HIGHLY SKILLED AND WELL-TRAINED WORKFORCE, UM, YOU KNOW, IN CONCERT WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND BRINGING MORE JOBS, YOU KNOW, TO BEAVER COUNTY, THIS COULD WORK PART AND PARCEL WITH THAT.
UM, BUT IN ADDITION TO TWEAK AND TCL, MAYBE ADD USC BUFORD AND, AND THE BASIS, THE BASIS HAVE A TRANSITION ASSISTANCE PROGRAM THAT THEY RUN THEIR MEMBERS THROUGH THAT SEPARATE, UM, THE MILITARY, WHETHER THEY STAY HERE OR GO SOMEWHERE ELSE WE CAN INCORPORATE, OR AT LEAST GET A PARTNERSHIP WITH DOD WITH THAT.
WHERE WAS THAT IN THE DOCUMENT? IT IS ON PAGE 43.
YES, I HAVE MARKED ON THAT, BUT TWEAK IS AN OUTSTANDING NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT, UM, CONNIE HIP AND ROB BRIDGES DOES A LOT TO HELP PLACE SEPARATING MARINES, UM, IN THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.
DID YOU GET THAT? YEAH, I WANTED TO JUST TAKE MOMENTS.
UM, I THINK YOU ALL KNOW NOAH CRAPS AT MEETINGS BEFORE
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IT ALSO LISTS THE ANDERSON WHO SUBMIT TO YOU MAY KNOW IS THE PLANNING DIRECTOR OF THE CITY OF HOUSTON.SHE'S BEEN WORKING FOR US SINCE FEBRUARY AND NOAH LIBBY HAS DONE A LOT TO GET THIS DOCUMENT TO WHERE IT IS NOW.
I JUST WANTED TO GET THE FRICKING RECOGNITION TO THEM, BUT ALSO NOBODY TRACKS.
WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO DO IS TRACK ALL YOUR COMMENTS AS STAFF.
WE WILL LOOK INTO THEM, MAYBE, UH, WORK WITH OUR CONSULTANT.
AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT HOW MEDS, MAYBE ADDRESS SOMEWHERE ELSE.
WE MAY HAVE THAT BIZARRE RESPONSE.
SOME WILL, YOU KNOW, MANY OF THEM WILL LEAD TO CHANGES OR EDITS TO THE DOCUMENT, BUT, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL PROVIDE A MATRIX THAT KIND OF TRACKS THE PROCESS OF ALL THE RECEIVE SO THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A EDITED DOCUMENT WITH ALL OUR COMMENTS, TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT FED INTO IT AND HOW EACH OF THE COMMENTS ARE CONSIDERED.
WELL, I WAS THERE WHEN, WHEN SHE DID THE, UM, BEFORE THE CITY OF BUFORD CODE AND WHAT A FANTASTIC JOB HER AND HER TEAM DID ON, ON PUTTING THAT DOCUMENT TOGETHER.
AND I WILL SAY ON THIS ONE, I THINK THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL FORMAT.
IT'S, IT'S VERY USER-FRIENDLY.
I THINK IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DOCUMENT.
IT'S GOT SOME MASSAGING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE OF COURSE.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK IT'S A GREAT PRODUCT.
I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE, UM, THE COMMENTS THAT I HAVE I'VE PROVIDED TO ROB, SO IF WE DON'T GET THEM TO THEM TODAY, AND THAT'S THE CASE WITH ALL OF YOU, IF WE DON'T GET TO EVERYTHING TODAY, UM, FEEL FREE TO, UM, SEND YOUR COMMENTS, YOUR WRITTEN COMMENTS TO ROB.
UM, THEY WILL THOUGHTFULLY CONSIDER OVER THE NEXT 30 DAYS AS PART OF THE PROCESS, UH, AMENDMENTS UPDATES, ET CETERA, UH, WITH THE CONSULTANT ORGANIZATION.
UM, I TOO FEEL THAT THE DOCUMENT WAS A GROUNDBREAKING FOR US IN BUFORD COUNTY.
UM, A VERY WELL-WRITTEN TARGETED, CONCISE FACT-BASED, UM, NOT JUST THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE'RE ASKED TO REVIEW TODAY, BUT THE ATTACH DOCUMENTS THAT SUPPORT IT, UH, THE DATA, THE ATLAS I THOUGHT WAS OUTSTANDING.
IT MADE CLEAR TO ME, AND I'VE BEEN IN THE COUNTY 22 YEARS, A LOT MORE.
YOU HAVE A LOT MORE DEPTH TO THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT EXACTLY IS THE CURRENT IMMIGRANT PSYCHOGRAPHIC, ET CETERA, CONDITION OF OUR COUNTY.
AND I THINK IT IS A FACT-BASED DOCUMENT THAT THEN, UH, GAINS, GIVE SUPPORT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE WORK PLANS THAT FOLLOW.
UM, I'M HOPEFUL THAT YOU ALL HAVE A CHANCE THAT YOU WILL UNDERTAKE IF YOU HAVEN'T TO READ THE ATLAS AND THE WORK PLAN.
UH, I PARTICULARLY AM PLEASED TO SEE THE WORK PLAN AND WHO, WHAT, WHEN AND WHERE ON THE MAJOR COMPONENTS CAUSE A STRATEGIC PLAN WITHOUT A WORK PLAN IS A WISH.
AND SO I'M LOOKING FOR WHAT ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT GO FORWARD ON THE WORK PLAN? I NOTED THAT IT WAS PARTICULARLY, UH, BUT ISN'T FULLY DEVELOPED WHEN A LOT OF AREAS, UM, IN TERMS OF PRIORITIZATION IN TERMS OF, UH, WHEN WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, UM, WHO'S GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.
AND I'M HOPEFUL THAT BEFORE IT GOES TO COUNTY COUNCIL, THAT THOSE THINGS ARE IDENTIFIED AT LEAST IN THE RECOMMENDATION FORM, BECAUSE AGAIN, UH, WITHOUT THAT SPECIFIC DETAIL, UM, THE PLAN BECOMES A WISH.
AND I DON'T WANT US TO SIT ON THE SHELF.
THERE'S A LOT OF STRATEGIC PLANS TEND TO DO, UM, WITH THAT OVER, I'D LIKE TO MAKE ONE COMMENT OF A GENERAL NATURE, UM, UH, MAPS FROM PAGE 72 TO ONE 29 ARE IN MY OPINION, VERY BUSY.
AND IN SOME CASES DIFFICULT TO DISCERN BETWEEN THE VARIETY OF COLORS, THE BLUES AND THE GREENS, ESPECIALLY THE PROGRESSIVE BLUES AND PROGRESSIVE GREENS.
UM, THE LARGER MAPS ARE USEFUL FOR THE BIG PICTURE CONTEXT ACROSS BUFORD COUNTY, IF HE GIVES YOU A QUICK SNAPSHOT, BUT I BELIEVE TOO, THAT SMALLER REGIONAL MAPS BEHIND THE LARGER BUFORD COUNTY MAPS MIGHT REDUCE THE VERY BUSY FEATURE AND IMPROVE THE READING OF SHADE OF COLORS AND BE VERY SPECIFIC TO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND OTHERS WHO REPRESENT DIFFERENT REGIONS OF THE COUNTY, THE FIVE REGIONS THAT WE'VE HISTORICALLY PORTRAYED IN OUR DOCUMENTS.
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THAT WOULD BE MY, MY FIRST COMMENT, DIANE, I DON'T HAVE ONE.I READ, I READ IT, BUT I DIDN'T OBSERVE ABSORB LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY, JASON, EITHER AT THIS TIME.
KEVIN, WHAT PAGE MAPS WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT? UM, ON PAGE 72 ON, AND IT'S VERY GENERAL STATEMENT FROM SET PAGE 72 TO PAGE ONE 29, THERE ARE EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF MAPS THAT ARE VERY BUSY.
AND I THINK IT'S THE APPEND TO THAT MESSAGE IS THAT PEOPLE WHO LOOK AT THAT CAN GET DIZZY AND TRY AND UNDERSTAND SPECIFIC TO THEIR COMMUNITY WHAT'S GOING ON, WHAT THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE, UM, THAT IT NEEDS TO BE VERY CLEAR.
THIS IS GOING TO BE A DIGITAL DOCUMENT THAT DOESN'T SEEM DIFFICULT TO ADD A REGIONAL MAPPING STRATEGY.
IF IT'S A PRINTED DOCUMENT, IT GETS A LITTLE MORE CUMBERSOME TO HAVE FIVE PAGES BACKING UP THOSE 20 OR SOME PAGES.
I HAD A SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT THE MAP ON PAGE 33, BUT I'LL WAIT IF YOU WANT ME TO WAIT YOUR TURN.
I'M LOOKING AT THIS MAP ON PAGE, UM, 33, ROBERT, AND I'M WONDERING, UM, WHAT IS THIS TELLING ME? BECAUSE I LIKE WHAT ARE ALL THE WHITE SPACES THAT ARE THERE? I UNDERSTAND THAT THE DARK GREEN AND YELLOW ACTUALLY IS TWO COLORS BEING USED FOR THE SAME THING, UNLESS ARE DIFFERENT COLORS IN MY CRAYOLA 64 BUCKS.
THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE SAME.
UM, WHAT THIS MAP IS MEANT TO SHOW IS THAT THERE'S A KEY, I GUESS, A CONTINUUM OF PROTECTION OF SENSITIVE AREAS THAT WOULD GO EVERYWHERE, EVERYWHERE FROM LOW DENSITY ZONING DOWN TO FULL PURCHASE OF PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, LOW DENSITY ZONING IS PROBABLY THE MOST EFFECTIVE AND INEXPENSIVE WAY TO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO PROTECT THE FUTURE OF PROPERTY.
UM, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A VERY CRITICAL PIECE OF LAND, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY OUTRIGHT PURCHASE IS, YOU KNOW, THE STRATEGY IT'S MOST EXPENSIVE, BUT IT'S THE MOST EFFECTIVE IF YOU WANT TO PRESERVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY.
BUT THIS MAP IS MEANT TO MAP ALL OF THESE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LOW DENSITY, ZONING, UH, AREAS, UM, PROBABLY HAVING THAT WHITE AND IT BEING THE SAME COLOR AS THE MARSH.
MAYBE THAT'S NOT THE BEST, PROBABLY THERE WAS A COLOR FOR LANDS THAT WOULD, THAT WAS THE OTHER CATEGORY.
YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE EASIER TO READ THAT TO THE WAY THIS MAP IS DONE NOW.
WELL, I GUESS, UM, THE RECENT APPLICATION THAT WAS ON ONE 70, WHERE THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING, THAT ONE COMES TO MIND AND I'M LOOKING AT THIS MAP AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE WHEREABOUTS THAT IS, BUT I SEE YELLOW, I SEE DARK GREEN, I SEE LIGHT GREEN.
AND I'M TRYING TO DIFFERENTIATE WHAT, WHAT THAT IS IN THAT AREA.
AND I THINK IT'S JUST THE SCALE OF THE MAP.
IT'S HARD, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT AIR, YOU KNOW, THAT PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED RURAL.
AND THE, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH THE RURAL ZONING IS IT, IT PREVENTS HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT COULD BE CHANGED WITH THE ACT OF CASTLE, YOU KNOW, OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, WELL, I GUESS I VIEW IT DIFFERENTLY.
I THINK THAT NOW IS THE TIME IF THERE'S PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT HAVE PROPERTY THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE REZONED OR BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE REZONED TO COMPLY WITH THIS DOCUMENT NOW IS THE TIME TO COME FORWARD WITH IT AND DO IT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULDN'T LIKE GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS OF THIS DOCUMENT.
AND WE SITTING HERE SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, UM, WITH A ZONING CHANGE REQUEST, UH, THAT GOES AGAINST WHAT, WHAT THIS PLAN DID.
AND, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEN QUITE FRANKLY, IT KIND OF PUTS THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER AT A BIG DISADVANTAGE BECAUSE HOW DO WE CHANGE SOMETHING THAT WAS JUST APPROVED THREE MONTHS OR SIX MONTHS BEFORE I THINK IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR US AND FOR COUNTY COUNCIL, UM, TO SAY, YEAH, YOU'VE GOT A VALID REASON TO MAKE THIS CHANGE.
WE'LL WE'LL IF IT WAS A VALID REASON, MAKE THE CHANGE, WHY DIDN'T, WHY WASN'T IT PICKED UP IN THIS DOCUMENT? I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S THE JOB OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS TO, YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME SOMEBODY COMES IN FOR REZONING, YOU'RE
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WEIGHING IT AGAINST THE, UH, THE CONFERENCE PLAN THAT BE APPROVED.AND, YOU KNOW, SO, I MEAN, KNOW BY STATE LAW, EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO PETITION FOR, AS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO TURN THEM DOWN BECAUSE WE DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD REQUEST, BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IT BECOMES A JOB OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO EVALUATE THAT PROPOSAL IN LIGHT OF THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, THAT, I MEAN, I, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT IDEALLY IT'D BE GREAT TO ADOPT THIS DOCUMENT AND THEN HAVE EVERYONE, IF EVERYTHING HAPPENED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS, BUT PEOPLE ARE GONNA WANT TO BUILD, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GRAPPLE WITH THAT AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ACCORDING TO WHAT'S IN HERE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO WHICHEVER ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ZONING OR DOWN, SORRY.
NO, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT A COUPLE OF THE ONES THAT CAME BEFORE US KIND OF RECENTLY.
UM, AND I JUST KEEP THINKING OF THAT ONE 70 CARTER, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW I DROVE UP HERE AGAIN.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S KINDA LIKE A MISHMASH THERE AND YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS DOESN'T EVEN REFLECT WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ONE 70 WITH A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF GROWTH AND JASPER COUNTY, RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF JASPER COUNTY, WHICH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE, WE DON'T CONTROL, BUT, BUT, BUT IT DOES IMPACT WHAT WE DO ON THIS SIDE, WHETHER WE, UM, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK THAT, THAT THIS IS THE TIME THAT, UM, YOU START TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS THAT? THIS IS WHAT IT'S IN 2040.
SO WHAT DO WE THINK THAT THE ONE 70 CORRIDOR IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN 2040? ALL RIGHT.
BECAUSE TWO SHOULD THINK THAT YOU CAN CONTINUE TO JUST CHANGE THE ZONING EACH INDIVIDUAL PROJECT AND THEN MAINTAIN A 50 MILE AN HOUR HIGHWAY RACING THROUGH THERE.
IT JUST DOESN'T IT'S APPLES AND ORANGES.
UM, LET, LET ME MAKE A DISTINCTION THAT SEEMS TO ME, IS THAT THE PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH, UM, THE PLANNERS WORKING WITH THEIR PARTNERS, THAT THEY COLLABORATE WITH, WHETHER IT BE FROM BLUFFTON OR WHETHER IT BE FROM, UM, HILTON HEAD OR YOU FOR PORT ROYAL, UH, ARE CONSTANTLY IN A DISCUSSION ABOUT ZONING.
AND THEY'RE, I UNDERSTAND AS OF THE DOCUMENT THERE DISCUSSION REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS ON THE ONE 70 CARTER.
UM, AND I KNOW THERE ARE DISCUSSIONS GOING ON RIGHT NOW ABOUT PROPERTIES THAT ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION ON THAT CARTER.
UM, I, THERE IS A CURRENT ZONING THAT'S THERE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S THE JOB OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CHANGE THAT ZONE.
UM, UNLESS THERE'S A SPECIFIC REQUEST FROM A PROPERTY OWNER, TAKE EXCEPTION TO THAT ZONE.
UM, I'M NOT AWARE THAT THE PROCESS FOR CHANGING ZONE DESCRIPTIONS ACROSS THE COUNTY IS REALLY STARTS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
IS THAT THE, IS THAT CORRECT? UM, YOU KNOW, IT COULD HAPPEN IF, IF WE RECOMMENDED THAT LET'S SAY A LARGE SCALE REZONING, THE AREA, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE INITIATED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE PLAN INFORMING A ZONING CHANGE THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING, AND THEN BRINGING THAT TO THE COUNCIL AND ASKING FOR THEM TO ADOPT THIS.
YEAH, THAT'S NOT THE PROCESS THAT WE'VE BEEN SUBJECT TO IS SOMEBODY COMES WITH AN EXCEPTION TO THE CURRENT ZONING, BUT THE ZONING WAS LAID DOWN BY SOME PROCESS THAT'S HISTORIC.
AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT PROCESS IS STILL IN PLACE.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT STARTS WITH THE COMMISSION.
NOW, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IS JUST A RECOMMENDATION, I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THEY LOOK FROM KEVIN, YOU CORRECT ME THAT A MORE STRINGENT ZONING STANDARD BE ESTABLISHED FOR THE OPD CARTER, EVIDENCING, ALL OF THE ACTIVITY THAT'S GOING ON IN THEIR REGION.
AND UP AND DOWN THAT CAR CAUSE CON CON WE ARE CONSTANTLY DISCUSSING AND DEBATING, UH, EXCEPTIONS TO THAT AS PEOPLE ARE DEVELOPING JUST IN THE LAST SEVERAL MEETINGS WE'VE GOTTEN INTO SEVERAL.
I, I, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE STRINGENT AT ALL.
UM, WELL, YEAH, WE'LL JUST INCLUSIVE.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE
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WHOLE, THE WHOLE SCOPE OF WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO SAY TO YOURSELF, WHAT, WHAT IS THIS, WHAT DO WE ENVISION THIS LOOKING LIKE IN, IN 2040, OR EVEN 2030 FOR THAT MATTER? UM, IF SOMEBODY HAD AN IDEA WHEN THEY DECIDED TO PUT A 50, 60 MILE AN HOUR HIGHWAY THERE, ONE 70, BETWEEN, UM, TWO 78 AND BUFORD, RIGHT.SOMEBODY HAD AN IDEA FOR THAT.
DOES THAT IDEA, UM, CORRELATE WITH RESIDENTIAL ZONING RIGHT OFF THAT OKAY.
BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IS IF, IF YOU CONTINUE, IF WE CONTINUE AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S BAD THING, I'M JUST SAYING, IF YOU CONTINUE TO HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT ALONG THAT ONE CARTER, THEN YOU HAVE TO BITE THE BULLET AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THE SCHOOLS? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THE ROAD? OKAY.
BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE A 50 MILE, AN HOUR HIGHWAY RUNNING THROUGH RESIDENTIAL AREAS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE LIGHTS.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE TURN LANES AND, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
UM, THERE'S JUST A BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT.
YOU CAN'T, WE CAN'T LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF PROPERTY ON ONE 70 AND SAY, YEAH, YEAH.
THAT'S NOT A BAD IDEA THAT WE CHANGED THAT ZONING FOR THAT PARTICULAR PIECE.
UM, WHEN, WHEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS NOT BEING LOOKED BACK, OKAY.
AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT PUSHING IT TOWARDS UP OR DOWN OR SIDEWAYS EITHER WAY, JUST THAT WHATEVER IT IS THAT, UM, THAT ALL THE PIECES FIT AT THE END THAT YOU DON'T, YOU'RE NOT STUCK WITH, OH, WE HAVE A GREAT PLAN LAID OUT HERE FOR ALL THIS.
AND BY THE WAY, THERE'S GOING TO BE A 50 MILE AN HOUR HIGHWAY RUNNING THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT WITH NO TURN LANES AND VERY LITTLE TINY SERVICE ROADS WHERE PEOPLE CAN EVEN BUILD A TURN LANE INTO SOME OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS.
W LET ME MAKE, LET ME MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE ACTION THAT I SEE YOU SUGGESTING, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
UM, AS A RESULT OF THIS PLAN, THE ADOPTION OF THIS PLAN, THERE SHOULD BE AN EXAMINATION OF ALL THE ZONING RELATIVE TO WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE PLANT, THE ADOPTED PLANNER, AND ARE, THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE CURRENTLY THEY'RE LEGITIMATE OR KNEW THEY NEEDED TO BE CHANGED, AND IF THEY SHOULD BE CHANGED, SHOULD WE BE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAKE, BE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO THOSE CHANGES? IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT, I AGREE WITH YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
I'M NOT SAYING THIS JUST FOR ONE 70 EITHER.
AND OTHER AREAS, YOU KNOW, LIKE GOING INTO LADY'S ISLAND OR ANY OF THESE AREAS, UM, WHAT IS IT THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, I EAT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT LET'S SAY 10 YEARS AGO, YOU MIGHT'VE ASKED SOMEBODY WHAT THEY THOUGHT THE ONE 70 CARTER WAS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, AND THEY PROBABLY MIGHT HAVE SAID, OH, THAT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF RETAIL UP THERE.
THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE ALL THE SHOPPING IS GOING TO BE UP THERE.
UM, BUT NOW THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SEEING.
WE'RE SEEING SOME OF THAT, BUT YOU'RE ALSO SEEING RESIDENTIAL PUT IN AND THEN SOMEBODY WANTED TO PUT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.
YOU KNOW, YOU JUST STARTED TO SEE A HODGEPODGE THERE.
I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD RECOMMENDATION.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE MIGHT INITIATE THAT PROCESS, BUT I WOULD SAY IN A SUBSEQUENT MEETING, MAYBE, UH, WHEREVER WE COULD MAYBE EXPLORE HOW IT WOULD GO ABOUT THAT.
AND MAYBE WHAT THE BIG TACKLING, THE BIG ISSUES FIRST AS IT PERTAINS TO MAJOR CARTERS.
AND, AND THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION GOING ON ABOUT THE ZONING AND THE LADY'S ISLAND CORRIDOR.
UM, THE
UM, I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE HOW TO DO THAT, AND I'M NOT SURE WE CAN DO THAT AT THIS MEETING.
AND FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, THAT WOULD BE, COULD BE VERY, VERY COMPLICATED WHEN YOU START BRINGING IN THAT MANY PROPERTY OWNERS AND TRYING TO CHANGE THE REZONINGS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GAME.
UM, I THINK KINDA OPEN YOURSELF UP FOR SOME HEAVY CRITICISMS AND POSSIBLY LAWSUITS FROM PEOPLE.
IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE SHOOTING, JUST ASK THE GENERAL QUESTION RIGHT NOW, THESE PROPERTIES ARE ZONED RURAL, WHICH IS ONE 12, A UNIT PER THREE ACRES.
SO WHAT ARE WE SUGGESTING IS APPROPRIATE FOR THAT CORRIDOR? THAT WAS MY QUESTION ABOUT WHY ARE WE SUGGESTING DOWN ZONING OR UP ZONING? CAUSE IT'S ALREADY ZONED AS AS LEAST DENSE REALLY, AS IT CAN BE, UNLESS IT'S STRICTLY AGRICULTURAL, UM, YOU KNOW, AND TO DOWNS ON SOMEBODY'S
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PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'VE MADE A FINANCIAL IMPACT ON THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY AND THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE PROBLEMS. UM, BUT YEAH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY, FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T THINK YOU COULD JUSTIFY DOWN ZONING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE RESIDENCE FOR EVERY THREE ACRES, YOU DON'T HAVE A SEPTIC ISSUE.I'M CERTAINLY NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT.
BUT IN OTHER WORDS, ONE EXAMPLE MIGHT BE, SHOULD THIS PARTICULAR PIECE, SHOULD IT BE MIXED USE? SHOULD IT BE RESIDENTIAL? SHOULD IT BE COMMERCIAL? OKAY.
UM, AND, UH, EVEN IF IT WAS JUST LAID OUT AS, UM, UH, THAT THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT, THIS IS WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS GO PROPERTY OWNERS, THAT THEY CAN FAKE IT, STAY WITH WHAT THEY WANT TO HAVE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, I'M THINKING OUT LOUD, BUT, WELL, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD THOUGHT IS, IS THIS PLAN, IS THIS PLAN INDICATE THERE NEEDED TO BE CHANGES IN ANY PARTICULAR REGION OR AREA OF BUFORD COUNTY AS IT PERTAINS TO THE ZONING? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT YET.
UM, SO I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO AGREE TO TAKE THAT PIECEMEAL, OR WE TAKE IT IN SOME BIG SWATHS.
I THINK THE AREAS THAT ARE, THAT ARE IN NEED OF SOME CLOSER LOOKS ARE THE
AND I THINK THOSE DISCUSSIONS ARE UNDERWAY.
AND ACTUALLY THE MATH AND I REALIZED HE SNAPPED SORT OF A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO READ, BUT THE MAP ON PAGE ONE IS A LOOK AT THAT CORRIDOR.
AND THIS ACTUALLY COMES FROM THE JOINT MEETING THAT WE HAD WITH THE CITY OF PARTY BILL AND JASPER COUNTY TALKING ABOUT WHERE ARE WE WITH DEFINED FUTURE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY, UM, WHERE THE, YOU KNOW, LACK OF A BETTER TERM URBANIZATION WOULD STOP, YOU KNOW, AND YOU JUST WORK.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE JASPER ON THE OTHER SIDE, THEY LOOK THIS COURT ORDER VERY DIFFERENTLY THAN BUFORD COUNTY.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM A BROAD SCALE, YOU KNOW, OF, UM, HOW FAR GROWS SHOULD, SHOULD GO, WHERE THERE SHOULD BE LITTLE NODES OF DEVELOPMENT.
AND IT COULD BE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE.
MAYBE WE CAN HAVE A MUCH MORE DETAILED AREA STUDY THAT CORRIDOR, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL IS GOING TO COME OUT OF THIS CONFERENCE PLAN.
I UNDERSTAND WE'VE TAKEN A LOT OF LOOKS AT THAT QUARTER OR, YOU KNOW, WE DID THE TRANSPLANT TRAFFIC ANALYSIS THAT ALCON DID WITH, UM, WITH LAPS.
UM, BUT I THINK THE SAME IS TRUE IN, UH, THE LADY'S ISLAND REGIONAL GROWTH CORRIDOR.
THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT, UH, HOLDING BACK SOME OF THAT.
UM, SO I THINK THESE ARE ONGOING DISCUSSIONS, BUT I THINK THE CLARITY OF THAT COMES OUT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH KIND OF SETS THE TONE FOR WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
SO THAT MAY NOT SOLVE THE ISSUE IMMEDIATE.
BUT I THINK AS LONG AS WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT WE FEEL THAT THIS DOCUMENT SHOULD REPEAT YOU REFLECTED IN TERMS OF ITS, UH, DESIRE TO IMPROVE, UH, THE ZONING AS WE GO FORWARD AND LOOK AT OUR ZONING, OKAY.
ACTUALLY, THIS, THIS IS A MUCH BETTER MAP YOU'RE LOOKING SO, OKAY.
SO IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS MAP HERE AND I SEE SUPPOSE RURAL CROSSROADS, I SEE PROPOSED HAMLETS, I SEE PROPOSED VILLAGES.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT CHANGING ANYBODY'S ZONING, BUT THAT'S ENOUGH THERE THAT THE FOLKS, UM, YOU, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT NOW, YOU'VE GOT TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE SEE COMING HERE IN THE FUTURE.
THEY'RE KIND OF CIRCLES THERE.
IT'S NOT PICKING OUT ANYBODY'S INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY.
BUT IF THIS IS ALL GOING TO COME TO FRUITATION, RIGHT.
IS, IS TH IS THAT ROADWAY ADEQUATE? IS THAT ROADWAY GOING TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY? AND ALSO THE COMMUTER PERSON THAT'S TRAVELING FROM BUFORD DENTA SAVANNAH EVERY DAY ARE THE SCHOOLS, UM, YOU KNOW, GOING TO BE ADEQUATE BECAUSE THAT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL OVER THERE NOW IS, IS FILLED TO CAPACITY.
SO IF ALL THIS IS GOING TO COME IN HERE SOMEWHERE IN THE FUTURE, I'M JUST SAYING THAT THESE OTHER THINGS NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN HERE.
AND THIS IS ACTUALLY, I ACTUALLY LIKED THE WAY THIS IS LAID OUT.
THIS KIND OF SHOWS THAT A LOT BETTER THAN AT OTHER ONES.
UM, AND, AND I'M NOT EVEN, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ZONING OR, OR DOWN ZONING AT ALL.
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ABOUT IS, OKAY, SO THIS GUYS, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE HERE IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS.WE'RE NOT SAYING EXACTLY WHERE, BUT WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THOSE CIRCLES, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THESE DIFFERENT THINGS.
BUT PAGE ONE 2120 IT'S ACTUALLY, OKAY.
I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOUT THE ONE 70 ROADWAY.
I KNOW ORGANIZATIONS LIKE LATS ARE LOOKING AT THAT ENTIRE CORRIDOR FROM TWO 78 ON UP.
I KNOW THEY'VE CONCENTRATED PROBABLY SO FAR UP TO FOUR 62.
UM, AND THAT'S A STUDY SOME, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HOLDING PATTERN NOW BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE THAT LATS A GREASE TO THE, BUT THAT'S THAT PROCESS IS GOING ON.
AND I THINK THAT'S ANSWERING SOME OF THE QUESTIONS ABOUT TRANSPORTATION.
THAT'S NOT AN EASY QUESTION AND THIS ISN'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN EXPENSIVE SOLUTION AND THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO IT.
AND I THINK THE CURRENT PROPOSAL INVOLVES A LOT OF YOU TERMS, AND THAT'S THIS TOWN OF BLUFFTON AND CITY PARTY DOOR, YOU KNOW, NOT REALLY IN FAVOR OF THAT.
AND SO IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A HOLDING PATTERN, BUT YEAH, I AGREE THAT THE TRANSPORTATION QUESTION NEEDS TO BE, YEAH, FINAL COMMENT.
I CAN'T FIND IT REAL QUICK, BUT IT SHOWS THE INTEGRATION OF MULTIPLE PLANS AND IT SHOWS A TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND COORDINATION WITH OTHER PLANS AND, UM, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE MUNICIPAL MUNI PLANS, ET CETERA, UM, THAT ALL HAVE TO BE BLENDED TOGETHER.
AND THIS IS AN ISSUE, UM, FOR THAT PARTICULAR CORRIDOR, AS IT GOES THROUGH THE MUNICIPALITIES AND IT'S BEING STUDIED BY TRANSPORTATION ORGANIZATIONS.
UH, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER TO STICK WITH, YOU KNOW, POLICY SMALL BORE OR LARGE BORE, BUT I'LL JUST, UM, I GUESS I'LL GO TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE PAGE 45 STRATEGIES AND ACTIONS, UM, ABOUT ENCOURAGING THE NEW DEVELOPMENT OR RELOCATING BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT.
ARE THERE ANY EPA DESIGNATED BROWNFIELD SITES IN BUFORD COUNTY? AND I'M THINKING OF THE AREA AROUND SHELDON AND THE FIGHT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO OVER THE JELLY PROPOSED JELLY BALL PROCESSING PLANT UP THERE.
AND THE FINDING IS THAT THE OLD FACTOR IN WHICH THIS WOULD BE CITED AT EFFLUENT FROM THE FORMER DYE FACTORY.
AND THAT WAS ONE REASON AMONG OTHERS, THAT THE POSITION OF THE PLANT, THEY'RE NOT THE HARVEST STATE, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN ON-SITE HELENA, BUT THE PLANT THERE WAS DENIED.
ARE THERE BROWNFIELDS? I MEAN, WHAT IN BUFORD COUNTY, OR MAYBE THERE'S THE WRONG WORD, YOU KNOW, ENVIRONMENTALLY HAZARDOUS SITES THAT CAN BE EXCLUDED FROM THIS KIND OF REUSE OR ARE THOSE FEDERAL STATUE? UM, I KNOW THAT THAT IS A BROWNFIELD SITE AND THAT, UM, WE HAVE LOOKED AT IT AT DIFFERENT TIMES IN WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GET CLEANED UP AND SEWN PROPERLY.
AND, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT'S ON OUR RADAR.
WE HAVEN'T TAKEN ANY CONCRETE STEPS.
THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT NEED TO BE IN PLACE, COMMUNITY SUPPORT, THEY NEED WATER AND SEWER, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, POLICIES DISCOURAGED.
NOW SHE'LL GO INTO RURAL AREAS.
UM, THAT'S THE ONE THAT I'M AWARE OF.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOME, UH, CONTAMINATION ISSUES AT THE POOR PROPERTY IN PORTLAND, RIGHT? NO MUNICIPAL.
THERE'S ONE MORE ACROSS FROM THE AIR STATION.
SO THERE'S, THERE ARE A FEW FOUR WALL, ANYTHING, ALL THAT
WITH THE PHOSPHATE DOWN THERE BY SPANISH POINT.
ANYWAY, I JUST, I MEAN, IF THAT, IF IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR, FOR A LINER TO, TO BE PUT IN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT PLANNING WOULD CON WOULD TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, UM, NOT ONLY THE EXTENSION OF WATER AND SEWER, THAT ACTUALLY WAS ANOTHER ONE OF MY QUESTIONS, BUT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, FEDERAL, UM, MITIGATION POLICIES AND, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY WOULD BE LOOKING INTO IT.
IT MIGHT BE DOWN THE ROAD, BUT IT CAME UP ONCE.
ON PAGE 60, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, DIDN'T WE HAVE A SPECIAL WORKING GROUP THAT LOOKED AT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO HAVE SOME OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS BEEN INCORPORATED.
I MEAN, THIS IS, THESE ARE GREAT THOUGHTS, BUT LIKE THE ACTION, UM, THEY, THEY KIND OF SEEM, UM, I DON'T WANT TO SAY NOT SPECIFIC ENOUGH, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE THESE REALLY ATTAINABLE BECAUSE SOME OF THESE ARE, ARE FAR REACHING AND NOT WITHIN OUR SCOPE OF DECISION-MAKING.
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AT A, YOU KNOW, MAYBE AT A 50,000 LEVEL LOOK, MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT MORE THINGS WE CAN DO TO ENCOURAGE, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.I KNOW THERE'S, YOU KNOW, TAX INCENTIVES, THERE'S, THERE'S, UM, OTHER INCENTIVES FOR BUILDERS TO BUILD.
BUT FROM WHAT I GATHER FROM THAT WORKING GROUP, IT JUST WASN'T ENOUGH.
IT WAS THE BUILDING CODES WERE TOO SPECIFIC, TOO EXPENSIVE TO BRING THE PRICE DOWN LOW ENOUGH TO MAKE IT AFFORDABLE FOR, FOR EVERYONE.
I WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THAT, EXPLORE EXPRESS THEN DO NOT EVER CALL THEM AFFORDABLE.
WE'LL CALL IT WORKFORCE HOUSING BECAUSE WHEN I'VE DEALT WITH THE PUBLIC, NOT JUST HERE, BUT WHEN I LIVE IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES PEOPLE OBJECT TO HAVING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THEY DO NOT OBJECT TO WORKFORCE HOUSING.
IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, IT SITS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WITH PEOPLE.
CAUSE THEY'RE FREAKING FEELING, THIS IS THESE AREN'T PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING AS OPPOSED TO PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST GETTING THE STUFF FROM THE, FROM THE DOCUMENT.
I DON'T CARE WHAT IT SAYS, A DOCUMENT I'M TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE PUBLIC.
THERE, THERE ARE MORE, I MEAN IT CONTINUES ON PAGE 62.
THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT GROUP THAT LED TO CHANGES TO OUR HOUSING CHAPTER.
WE CARRY VIEWS HERE, BUT YEAH, I AGREE.
I MEAN, IT IS A COMPLEX ISSUE AND YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THE COUNTY IS FOCUSING ON NOW IS A REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUNDS TO GET SOME DEDICATED FUNDING AND IDENTIFY FUNDING SOURCES SO THAT WE HAVE BETTER TOOLS TO, YOU KNOW, TO, YOU KNOW, EITHER LEVERAGE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS OR TO PURCHASE LAND, TO PARTNER WITH, UH, WITH A DEVELOPER.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY TAKING STEPS, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A BIG CHALLENGE.
I JUST REMEMBER WHEN THAT GROUP WAS STOOD UP TO STUDY IT.
UM, SPECIFICALLY THERE WAS A LOT OF ISSUES WITH, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET THE INCENTIVES.
UM, THEY ALMOST SEEMED LIKE THEY WERE OUT OF REACH, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE SO MANY STIPULATIONS ON THE BUILDING THAT, YOU KNOW, TO QUALIFY FOR THEM.
AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE THE FIRST PLACE, UH, YOU KNOW, TO, TO WORK ON, TO TRY TO LOOSEN SOME OF THOSE STANDARDS SO THAT WE CAN GET HOUSING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT GROUP OF FOLKS THAT, UM, PARTICULARLY THAT LIVE HERE AND THEN WORK, YOU KNOW, IN HILTON HEAD BLUFFTON AREA AND THEN HAVING TO COMMUTE THOSE LONG DISTANCES.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES INCENTIVES WORK, UM, OTHER TIMES THE THINGS WE'RE USING TO INCENTIVIZE OR TAKING AWAY WHAT WE FEEL WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF QUALITIES WE WANT TO SEE IN A COMMUNITY.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE TOLD BY A DEVELOPER THAT WE CAN'T POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HAVE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET OR, YOU KNOW, OR WE NEED A DENSITY THAT IS TWO OR THREE TIMES WHAT THE DISTRICT ALLOWS.
AND SO WE'RE ALWAYS HAVING TO BALANCE THOSE, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER PLANNING PRINCIPLES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE COMING OUT OF THE PLAN ON HOW WE WANT FUTURE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO BE.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WHY WE SHIFTED.
I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUALLY LOOK AT OUR INCENTIVES AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT PUTTING IN REGULATORY AREAS, SO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'RE REMOVING A FOCUS A LITTLE MORE TOWARDS WHAT WE CAN DO TO PARTNER WITH PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IN KIND OF IDENTIFYING WHAT ARE THE, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THE BARRIERS AREN'T AS MUCH REGULATORY TO SAY, ARE THERE MIGHT BE FINANCIAL GAP OR SOMETHING THAT MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE TO GET HOUSING TO A CERTAIN PRICE POINT.
WELL, BECAUSE, AND PART OF THE EQUATION I THINK IS, YOU KNOW, THE WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOODS SO THAT THEY CAN WALK TO, YOU KNOW, GROCERY STORES, DRUG STORES, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT COMPLICATES THINGS MORE TOO, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS RIGHT NOW, UM, FOR WHATEVER CATEGORY OF, OF HOUSING YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT.
SO, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A GREAT ENDEAVOR AND SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD STRIVE FOR, BUT YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE'RE STILL ADMIRING THIS PROBLEM THREE YEARS LATER OF HOW TO GET THIS HOUSING, YOU KNOW, AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT COME TO FRUITION.
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I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT WHAT THE WORKING GROUP LOOKED AT.I JUST REMEMBER THAT IT'S BEEN AN ONGOING, UM, AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BIGGEST THING IS WHEN I GO WORK OUT AT QUARTER TO FIVE IN THE MORNING, I CAN SEE THESE PALMETTO BREEZE BUSES LEAVING THE ISLANDS AND I'M THINKING, OH MY GOSH, THESE FOLKS ARE LEAVING THAT EARLY TO GO TO THEIR JOBS.
AND, AND WHAT TIME ARE THEY GETTING HOME? YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOVE FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO WORK AND LIVE IN THE SAME COMMUNITY, WHETHER THAT'S HERE OR THERE.
I MEAN, IT'S A PEN TO YOUR COMMENTS.
CAUSE, UH, UH, IN 2019, UH, BOB SIMILAR TO THE FORMER PC CHAIRMAN AND MYSELF WORKED WITH THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING TASK FORCE AND EVERY ITEM ON HERE PRETTY MUCH CAME UP DURING THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
UM, IT WAS DISSOLVED IN LATE 2019, AT LEAST THAT THAT FORM OF THE TASK FORCE, BUT MANY OF THE ACTIONS RECOMMENDED IN HERE WERE THINGS THAT WERE, THAT WERE LAID OUT AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE TO ADD YOUR POINT THAT WE RE INITIATE THAT TASK FORCE AND MOVE FORWARD ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
I KNOW, UH, ERIC GREENWAY WAS HIS INTENT TO CARRY SOME OF THOSE IDEAS AND SUGGESTIONS FORWARD TO COUNTY COUNCIL.
UM, I KNOW ERIC HAS BEEN LEADING THE WAVE FOR THE AFFORDABLE, UM, THE TASK FORCE ON THE, UM, LAND TRUST, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, LAND TRUST ACTION.
AND I KNOW A RECOMMENDATION FROM A CONSULTANT IS DUE ANY TIME, IF NOT ALREADY BEEN PROPOSED, UM, PERHAPS WHATEVER THE IT'S CONTAINED IN THAT PROPOSAL, BE INCLUSIVE OF, YOU KNOW, THE COMMENTS BE ADDED TO THIS DOCUMENT TO STRENGTHEN THE SUPPORT FOR IT.
CAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE BEST AND THERE MAY BE A TIMING ISSUE BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO FINISH UP THEIR WORK IN JUNE.
WE MAY BE ABLE TO PULL IN SOME OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT IF THEY'RE NO DIFFERENT FROM WHAT'S ALREADY IN HERE, WELL, THEY THEY'VE BEEN A PART OF ORGANIZATIONS AND OTHER CITIES WHERE THEY'VE RAISED TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AS A RESULT OF THAT, THAT COULD BE PUT TORQUE AND MAKE A BIG DEBT AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT PURE INCENTIVES MAY NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE A IDENTITY.
UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE INITIATIVES SUPPORTED AND CARRIED FORWARD KIND OF A TOUGH SITUATION.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT THAT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE LOOKED AT AT THE MPC LAST NIGHT, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER REALLY THAT THERE'S NO WAY AROUND, UM, DRIVING UP DENSITY WHEN, WHEN YOU START DOING THAT.
AND THEN PEOPLE YOU GET IN THIS SPECIALTY, IN THIS TYPE OF COMMUNITY, YOU GET A LOT OF PUSHBACK BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT THE ISLANDS THE WAY THAT THEY LOOK NOW.
UM, WHETHER IT'S, WHETHER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WORKFORCE HOUSING OR WHETHER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LUXURY APARTMENTS, PEOPLE JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT TYPE OF RESIDENCY.
SO IT'S KIND OF AN UPHILL BATTLE.
WELL, IT'S LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S ALL, I MEAN, EVEN THE FOLKS THAT MOVED TO BLUFFTON IN THESE, YOU KNOW, BEAUTIFUL HOMES AND WHEN THEY START SPLITTING PROPERTIES TO PUT ANOTHER STRUCTURE, THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T WANT TO MESS UP THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY BOUGHT INTO.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T BLAME THEM, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS THING CALLED PROPERTY OWNER RIGHTS, YOU KNOW? AND SO IT GETS VERY COMPLEX.
DO YOU REMEMBER THE GENTLEMEN, THE COMMAND? IT WAS ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO AND HE WAS LOOKING FOR A, YOU WANTED TO UP-SOLD RIGHT.
I THINK IT WAS ON THE WAY AFTER LADY'S ISLAND.
AND, UM, HE WAS GOING TO USE THE TIM SCOTT ENTERPRISE ZONE AND THE STATE, UM, HOUSING, UM, WHATEVER PROGRAM THEY HAVE FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING.
HE DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, HE WAS BEING KIND, I THOUGHT, BUT HE REALLY DIDN'T EVEN LOOK AT WHAT THE COUNTY HAD.
HE FELT THAT HE, HE, HE COULD BUILD WHAT HE WANTED TO BUILD, DELIVER SOMETHING TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND STILL MAKE A PROFIT ON IT.
AND HE HAD TO RUN IT, I BELIEVE FOR 15 YEARS BEFORE IT WENT, UM, UH, FULL, YOU KNOW, A PRIVATE MARKET OR WHATEVER, BUT, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WORKS.
AND THEN THE GUY TELLS US THAT HE'S, THIS WAS HIS THIRD PROJECT.
AND, UH, NOT BEING CRITICAL OF OTHER EFFORTS, BUT OTHER EFFORTS ARE YOU, THERE'S GREAT POWERPOINT SLIDES AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF, BUT HERE'S A GUY THAT IS DOING IT.
HE IS PROVIDING HOUSING FOR THE COMMUNITY, PROVIDING JOBS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE, UM, BUYING THE HOMES.
HE'S PROVIDING BUSINESS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T SELLING APPLIANCES AND FURNITURE AND THINGS.
I DIDN'T, THE GUY DIDN'T LOOK LIKE HE WAS STARVING TO ME, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF LIKE HE WAS DOING FINE.
SO, I MEAN, THERE'S SOMETHING THERE THAT ALREADY WORKS.
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MAYBE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THAT AND SAYING, HOW DO WE PIGGYBACK ON THAT AND MAKE THAT EVEN BETTER.SO THAT RATHER THAN THIS GUY GO INTO THE STATE OR THIS ONE OR THAT ONE, THAT HE'S COMING TO US AND THAT WE'RE SAYING, HEY, LOOK, WE'RE GOING TO PUT ALL THESE PIECES TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH A BETTER, A BETTER SOLUTION FOR EVERYBODY ALL AROUND AND JUST BE THE FACILITATOR AND NOT NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, GET INVOLVED IN THE HOUSING BUSINESS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THAT'S A VERY SPECIFIC PROGRAM.
THAT'S THE LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROGRAM.
AND IT'S A FEDERAL, YOU KNOW, REDUCTION OF TAX CREDITS OR RE, UM, OR TAX TRY THAT.
AND THERE ARE DEVELOPERS WHO KNOW IT'S A VERY STEEP LEARNING CURVE AND THE DEVELOPERS WHO BUILD THAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT SPECIALIZED TO THAT.
SO WE TYPICALLY GET, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TWO APPLICATIONS PER YEAR THAT ARE GRANTED TO MP FOR COUNTY ONE OR TWO, TYPICALLY IN BUFORD, PORT ROYAL AND SOME OF THE NEARBY AREAS, IT WOULD BE FOR COUNTY.
SO, YOU KNOW, I AGREE I THAT'S A REAL EFFECTIVE PROGRAM, BUT ONE DOWNSIDE OF COURSE, IS THAT PERIOD OF AFFORDABILITY IT'S 20 YEARS.
AND THAT SEEMS LIKE A LONG TIME, BUT WE'RE SEEING, UH, A LOT OF, UH, LOW-INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROJECTS CONVERT TO MARKET RATE RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY AT THE BUFORD AREA.
THERE'S, THERE'S A NUMBER OF DEVELOPMENTS.
SO THAT'S, UH, EXAMINING
THE WERE, ARE VERY GOOD AT IT.
UM, I'M GOING TO OFFER A COMMENT.
UM, WE'RE OUT THE DOCUMENT, THE TERM SOCIAL VULNERABILITY INDEX IS USED, AND IT'S EXPLAINED QUITE CLEARLY IN THE ATLAS, UH, REFERENCING, UH, CONDITIONS AT THE CDC IS THE CLEARS, UH, IN A STORM CONDITION FOR STORM CONDITIONS AND DISEASE CONDITIONS, UM, AS TO THE SOCIAL VULNERABILITY OF RURAL OR MORE, UH, LESSER REPRESENTATIVE AREAS.
UM, I THINK IT'S INCORRECT TO USE THAT TERM WHEN REFERRING TO THE FACILITIES AND SERVICES SUCH AS HOSPITALS, EMS, POLICE, AND PARKS, I THINK THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT, THERE'S A THEME OF EQUITABLE.
UM, I'M, I'M MUCH RATHER SEE A EIGHT OPPORTUNISTIC TERM USE WITH IMPROVING SOCIAL EQUITY RATHER THAN SOCIAL VULNERABILITY.
I THINK THE TERM VULNERABILITY CAN BE OFFENSIVE.
UM, I PREFERRED THE TERM MYSELF, UH, TO BE, UH, TAKEN THE HIGH ROAD OF AN OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE, UM, THE FACILITIES OR SERVICES IN REMOTE AREAS THAT ARE NOT NEAR THOSE SERVICES.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO EXAMINE THE USE OF THAT TERM AS IT PERTAINS TO FACILITIES AND SERVICES AND CHANGED IT TO SOMETHING LESS MY OPINION, OFFENSIVE, LIKE SOCIAL EQUITY, WHICH WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE THEME, ONE OF THE THREE MAJOR THEMES OF THE DOCUMENT.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S STILL, UM, COMMUNICATES THE CONCERN.
I THINK WE SHOULD TALK TO MARK ITSELF ABOUT MAKING THAT.
I TOOK THAT THAT SHOULD BE AN EASY FIX.
UM, DIANE, JASON, UM, I GUESS BACK TO, UM, THE COMMENTS BEFORE ON THE HOUSING, UM, DO WE WANT IT, DO WE WANT TO DIFFERENTIATE BECAUSE THEY ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN AFFORDABLE HOUSING AVAILABLE AND UM, FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING AVAILABLE, I'M NOT SAYING, I'M NOT SAYING TO CHANGE IT.
I'M NOT, I'M JUST SAYING, SHOULD WE INCLUDE BOTH? WHAT WAS YOUR THINKING?
AND SO I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER, I KNOW WE ADDRESSED THAT IN THE FORMER PLAN, BUT I WANT TO MAKE, MAYBE MAKE SURE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, MAKE THAT CLEAR CAUSE HORRIBLE HOUSING IS A REALLY BROAD TERM AND IT NEEDS EVERYTHING FROM EMERGENCY HOUSING TO HOUSING, FOR WORKING FAMILIES WHO ARE HAVING A HARD
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STOP TO FIND HOUSING BECAUSE IS THEIR INCOME LEVEL.AND, UM, THERE'S DIFFERENT STRATEGIES FOR EACH GROUP, OBVIOUSLY THAT EITHER FOR PEOPLE LOWER INCOME, YOU'RE LOOKING MORE AT SUBSIDIES OR PROGRAMS LIKE THE LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT.
WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WORKFORCE, THAT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE WAR THINGS, THE KIND OF THINGS THAT IT SAID OF SLIGHT OVERCOMING THE BARRIERS, SOME SORT OF PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY AND MAYBE WE OWN LAND THAT WE WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S A DIFFERENT TOOLBOX YOU USE DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE IN THAT CONTINUUM.
SO I'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE REFLECT THAT IN HERE.
YEAH, I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY DO IN THE BILL AND STUNNING, YOU KNOW, WE DID THAT STUDY TWO GROUPS THREE YEARS AGO THAT LOOKED AT PARTICULAR MARKET SEGMENTS AND WHERE THERE WERE SHORTAGES OF HOUSING OR, UM, YOU KNOW, GROWTH IS GOING TO HELP PACE THE SUPPLY.
YOU KNOW, SO WE'VE, WE'VE DONE THAT IN THAT STUDY.
WE KIND OF LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT INCOME GROUPS, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S TRANSLATED HERE.
I THINK A MORE NEUTRAL TERM IS PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WE SHOULD SEEK AFTER ONLY BECAUSE TO THE POINT DIANE MADE ABOUT THE WORD AFFORDABLE VERSUS WORKFORCE.
AND DURING THERE'S ANOTHER WORD THAT THE L MILLENNIALS WILL PREFER.
UM, WHAT'S THE WORD, WHAT'S THE WORD? I CAN'T THINK OF IT RIGHT NOW, PAINTABLE HOUSING, YOU KNOW, SO, I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT MARKET SEGMENTS AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT DEGREES OF, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO HOUSING EQUITY FROM HOMELESSNESS ON UP TO, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE YOU HAVE AN ADEQUATE WORKFORCE THAT CAN AFFORD TO LIVE HERE.
I DON'T WANT TO HURT ANYBODY'S FEELINGS EITHER, BUT THERE ISN'T A HUGE SPREAD IN THERE.
AND YOU KNOW, SOME OF IT LIKE, UM, WORKFORCE HOUSING KIND OF GETS ROLLED UP INTO THE NEW URBAN ISM A LITTLE BIT.
WHEREAS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO THE OTHER END OF THE SPECTRUM, REALLY DOESN'T GET INCORPORATED INTO SOME OF THE GENERAL CONCEPTS OF, OF WHAT US, ALL OF US AND PLANNERS ARE TRYING TO DO.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SOCIAL ISSUE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE CAN DELVE INTO THAT OR NOT.
I THINK PORTRAYING IT AS A CONTINUUM ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENCES IN THE NEEDS FOR HOUSING IN DIFFERENT SEGMENTS.
WELL, I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GREAT POINT BECAUSE I MEAN, WITH THE SHORTAGE OF INVENTORY, YOU KNOW, AFFORDABLE HOUSING COULD BE LIKE MY SON WHO'S 24 IS LOOKING TO BUY A HOUSE CAUSE IT'LL BE CHEAPER THAN RENTING AN APARTMENT AND SERIOUSLY, SO HE COULD BUY $186,000 HOME AND HAVE A CHEAPER MONTHLY PAYMENT THAN TO RENT AN APARTMENT AND BUFORD.
AND THAT'S THE REALITY, IT'S THE TRUTH.
UM, HAD THE SAME EXPERIENCE IN BLUFFTON.
I MEAN, HE WAS PAYING MORE TO RENT AN APARTMENT THAN IF HE WAS ABLE TO QUALIFY.
IF YOU, IF YOU CAN DO THAT AND THEN IS ACTUALLY MONTHLY PAYMENTS ARE LESS BUYING A SMALL DUPLEX.
SO I'M HELPING HIM GET, YOU KNOW, THE DOWN PAYMENT FOR A HOUSE BECAUSE IN THE LONG RUN, IT'S GOING TO BE CHEAPER FOR HIM.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CONCEPT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO A KID WHO IS, IS, YOU KNOW, GAINFULLY EMPLOYED, MAKING GOOD MONEY, NO DEBT HOUSING IS STILL NOT AFFORDABLE FOR HIM.
SO I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, THAT'S HARDER TO ACCEPT IN THAT EVIDENTIARY AND I, I AGREE, BUT EVEN IT'S HARD TO ACCEPT, BUT I MEAN, I CAN REMEMBER BACK WHEN WE WERE BUYING OUR FIRST HOUSE, IT WASN'T EASY.
BUT IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE REALITY OF LIVING IN PARADISE HERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, AND, AND THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF INVENTORY OF HOUSES RIGHT NOW IN BUFORD.
I GUESS YOU CAN DECIDE NOT TO LIVE IN BUREAU DIES.
YOU HAVE TO FIND A PLACE TO STAY.
UM, THE STRATEGIES AND ACTIONS AT THE END OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THE INVENTORY SIDE, UM, H 3.5 CONSIDER PROHIBITING SHORT-TERM RENTALS AS THE PRIMARY USE OF THE PROPERTY IN CERTAIN RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT IS POTENTIALLY ONLY THE 4% ARE SET AS PEOPLE WHO LIVE AS THEIR PRIMARY RESIDENCE.
AND FOR YOUR VIEWS, I'M SORRY, IT'S BEEN 62.
I MEAN, WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE THAT, THAT IN NEIGHBORHOODS, PEOPLE FIND IT VERY DIFFICULT AND RANDOLPH MADE CERTAIN POINTS AND ALL OF US HAVE HAD AVOIDED AND I'VE WEIGHED IN ABOUT MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
I DO THINK THAT'S A, UM, AN ACTUALLY VERY TENABLE SOLUTION FOR PEOPLE AT 4% WHO WANT TO, TO RENT.
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WAS TO WHAT DEGREE I KNOW CHARLESTON'S BEEN STRUGGLING WITH IT.AND, UM, HAS, I THINK PUT SOME WORKED ORIENT FOR SIX MONTHS OR SOMETHING.
I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY PROPERTIES THAT WILL, UM, ADD TO THE INVENTORY.
AND IT MAY AGAIN, JUST BE LONG-TERM RENTAL PROPERTIES.
UM, BUT I JUST THINK THAT'S SUCH A GOOD POINT AND I WOULD NOT, AND SUCH A, YOU KNOW, A TOOL THAT I WOULD NOT WANT IT TO GET LOST IN THE MUCH MORE COMPLEX ISSUE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING WOULD THIS, THIS WAS LOOKED AT WHAT BOTH THE NPC AND THE BCPC ON TWO SEPARATE ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE CHALLENGE IS GOING TO BE THERE'S PEOPLE WHO LIVE AND WORK UP NORTH, THEY OWN PROPERTY.
SO THEY'LL COME DOWN HERE PERIODICALLY.
AND WHILE THE HOUSE IS SITTING EMPTY, THEY'LL RENT IT OUT TO FAMILIES ATTENDING A PARASAIL AND GRADUATION.
SO THAT'S, I THINK WHERE THAT KIND OF BUBBLED UP.
BUT YEAH, THE AIRBNB MARKET HAS REALLY GROWN IN POPULARITY, UM, NATIONWIDE, BUT PARTICULARLY IN THIS AREA, WHICH DOES REDUCE THE INVENTORY OF, YOU KNOW, BUT SOME OF THOSE WOULDN'T BE LONG-TERM RENTALS ANYWAY, BECAUSE THE FOLKS THAT OWN THEM DO WANT TO COME DOWN AT SOME POINT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
AND, YOU KNOW, SO THEY WOULDN'T BE INTERESTED IN SIGNING, UM, 12 TO 36 MONTH LEASE, YOU KNOW, TO, UM, A PROSPECT OF TENANT.
ANYWAY, THERE'S SOME WIGGLE ROOM THERE.
THE FOURTH, FOUR TO 6% IS ONE PIECE OF WIGGLE ROOM, YOU KNOW, RESONANT.
THE KIND OF CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS IS ANOTHER PIECE OF BURGLARY ROOM.
YOU KNOW, THE POLICY GOAL OF PUTTING MORE INVENTORY INTO THE HOUSING MARKET.
I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S SOME REAL OPPORTUNITIES WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE DOING.
UM, AND I JUST THINK IT'S, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND, UM, THERE ARE PLACES LIKE CHARLESTON WHERE YOU HAVE, IT'S, IT'S MORE LUCRATIVE TO DO A SHORT-TERM RENTAL THAN IT IS TO JUST SIMPLY HELP SOME HABITS.
SO IT AFFECTS THE COMMUNITY IN MORE WAYS THAN JUST THE HOUSING COSTS.
BUT YEAH, WELL I THINK HILTON HEAD, I MEAN, THERE'VE BEEN STORIES VERY RECENTLY IN THE PAPER ABOUT HOW THEY'RE TRYING TO MANAGE IT, WHICH IS AT THIS MOMENT, NOT VERY SUCCESSFUL.
UM, I WANT TO GO BACK TO SOMETHING ED SAID I WAS SHUFFLING HERE CAUSE I COULDN'T FIND IT, BUT I THINK YOUR WHOLE POINT ABOUT, UM, THE VULNERABILITY INDEX IS REALLY WELL TAKEN.
I MEAN, I COULDN'T FIND WHERE I HAD ACTUALLY, CAUSE I HAD TO LOOK BACK AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THE DEFINITION WAS.
AND, AND I GUESS, UM, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, OUT ON ST.
HELENA AND I, AND I REALLY PRAISE, UM, ROB AND NOAH, UM, AND ST.
HELENA PLAN FOLKS, UM, I THINK WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH OUT THERE IS THE SENSE OF ENTREPRENEURSHIP AND OPPORTUNITY.
AND WE'VE REALLY FOCUSED ON THAT ASPECT AS WELL AS VULNERABILITY OF, YOU KNOW, OF HOUSING OR, YOU KNOW, SCHOOL THAT IS NOT THE BEST SCHOOL IN THE COUNTY, BUT THERE IS AN EMPHASIS IN THAT COMMUNITY NOW, MORE ARTICULATED THAN IT'S BEEN IN THESE KINDS OF DOCUMENTS ABOUT, UM, OPPORTUNITIES LIKE FOR COTTAGE, FOR HOME BUSINESSES, FOR COTTAGE BUSINESSES, FOR ADJUSTING, UM, THE AMOUNT OF LAND REQUIRED IN A DESIGNATED FAMILY COMPOUND AND THE TAX BENEFITS THAT FLOW FROM THAT, UM, YOU'RE MAKING IT EASIER TO CONSOLIDATE LAND UNDER HEIRS PROPERTY, ALL THESE KINDS OF THINGS WHILE THEY ADDRESS IT, UH, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY HAVE A COMPROMISED OR VULNERABLE POPULATION.
UM, VERY GOOD EXAMPLES OF THE COUNTY, UH, ENCOURAGING ENTREPRENEURSHIP AND HELPING, UM, INDIVIDUALS LIFT THEMSELVES UP.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO USE TERMS THAT ARE UPLIFTING, LIKE OPPORTUNITY ENTREPRENEURSHIP, EQUITY, EQUITABLE OPPORTUNITY FOR IMPROVEMENT.
AS OPPOSED TO TEAMS THAT TERMS THAT SEEM TO BE DOWNGRADING OR NEGATIVE OR SEEM TO BE MAYBE OFFENSIVE.
AND I FORGET WHAT PAGE IT WAS ON.
ONE OF THE LAST OPTIONS WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, CREATED A BROCHURE THAT WOULD, UH, INDICATE COUNTIES, PARDON ME, SUPPORT.
I THINK IT WAS AARON'S PROPERTY FOR ONE, BUT OTHER KINDS OF LAND USES AND HOW TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MEASURED THAT YOUR PROPERTY IS RESILIENT, YOU KNOW, STORM, YOU KNOW, STORM, WATER, STORM SURGE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, AND WHERE THAT PARAGRAPH WAS PHRASED.
I THOUGHT IT WAS ALSO VERY, VERY GOOD.
SO I THINK THE THEME IS HERE AND I THINK THE LANGUAGE IS HERE, BUT LIKE GIVE IT ONE MORE REVIEW WITH, WITH THE, UM, CONSULT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR LANGUAGE IS COMPLETELY CONSISTENT WITH THESE THEMES.
UM, I WANTED TO ON PAGE 53, THE PRIORITIZED BICYCLING AND WALKING TO CONNECT RESIDENTS AS A CYCLIST, I REALLY LOVE SEEING THIS.
AND, UM, YEAH, IF WE CAN HAVE MORE BICYCLE FRIENDLY ROADS, THAT
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WOULD BE INCREDIBLE.I MEAN THE SPANISH MOSS TRAIL IS GREAT.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, OTHER OTHER AREAS, UH, AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF CYCLISTS DOWN IN THE BLUFFTON AREA, UM, AND THAT AREA TENDS TO BE MORE PSYCHO FRIENDLY.
UM, SO I LOVE THIS PORTION OF, OF THE PLAN.
SO WE'LL BE SEEING SHORTLY, UM, WE'RE WORKING ON THE BICYCLE PEDESTRIAN PLAN FOR THE KELLY COUNTY TAIL INTO THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
I THOUGHT YOU COULDN'T EXTEND THE SPANISH MOSS TRAIL BECAUSE OF THE, THE BRIDGE DURING THE LAST HURRICANE WAS, UM, THE ONE TO CONNECT IT TO YEMEN.
IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE MORE OF A CHALLENGE BECAUSE NOT ONLY IS THAT BRIDGE, I THINK IT WAS TAKEN OUT THIS THERE'S A SWING BRIDGE BRANCH.
IN ADDITION, THE RIGHT OF WAY NORTH OF THE WHALE BRANCH RIVER IS DEBT IS, UH, THE SURFACE RIGHTS ARE DEED INTO A CONSERVATION GROUP WHOSE SOLE PURPOSE IS TO KEEP IT FROM DEVELOPING INTO A TRAIL.
SO REALLY WENT OUT TO LOOK THAT UP, HAD A CULTURE SHIFT IN ATTITUDES ABOUT THE TRAIL, AND THAT MAY HAPPEN OVER TIME WITH THE POPULARITY OF THE SPANISH LOSS TRAIL.
IT WAS, UM, DEAN MOSQUE CAN TELL YOU THAT IT WAS KIND OF A COMPROMISE WE HAD, THAT HE HAD TO WORK THROUGH WHEN HE WAS WORKING FOR BUFORD JASPER WATER, SEWER AUTHORITY TO KEEP CHECKING THESE LARGE PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, CHALLENGING INQUIRE.
UM, AND I TH AND I SEE A LOT MORE CYCLISTS AGAIN AT LIKE FOUR 45 THERE'S PEOPLE ON THEIR BICYCLES GOING TO WORK.
AND I WAS AMAZED AT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE I RUN INTO THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE USING IT FOR TRANSPORTATION.
SO YEAH, IT'S A ONCE YOU'LL SEE IT, OR IF I HAD A PLANNED, IT'S GOOD FOR SO MANY DIFFERENT REASONS FOR HEALTH OR ALTERNATIVE MODE, THE TRANSPORTATION FOR RECREATION, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE HOPING TO SEE MORE OF IT'S COME, IT'S COME A LONG WAY.
I MEAN, I CAN RE I CAN REMEMBER THE DAY, I THINK IT WAS BOB OFF INITIATED A LET'S HAVE A BIKE TRAIL SOMEWHERE IN BUFORD COUNTY, UH, BACK IN MOUNT 2002, 2003.
AND IT WAS A LOT OF WORK BEING DONE AND IT'S TAKEN A LONG TIME TO PROGRESS TO WHERE WE ARE, BUT IT'S, IT'S DEMONSTRATED THAT IT'S AN EXTREME VALUE TO THE RESIDENTS.
AND NOT ONLY AT THE SPANISH MOSS TRAIL, BUT TRAILS ALL OVER THE COUNTY.
SO I APPLIED THAT TO THE SPANISH.
MOST CHILD GETS A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
I SEE PEOPLE ON IT ALL THE TIME, CYCLISTS, YOU KNOW, RUNNERS DURING A PANDEMIC, HOW TO ACTUALLY TAKE DETOURS.
IT WAS TOTALLY THE SHUTS DOWN ITS OWN SUCCESS.
MY I, MY NEXT COMMENT IS, UM, THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT, I WAS CONSTANTLY REMINDED ABOUT HOW MUCH WATER IT MAKES UP YOU FOR COUNTY.
UM, AND THIS BECOMES EXTREMELY CLEAR WHEN YOU READ THE ATLAS AND SEE ALL THE DATA ON LOW LENS AND MARSHES AND TITLE LENS AND JUST THE OCEAN, AND ESPECIALLY WHERE IS IT ALL AROUND THE COUNTY.
AND, AND IN THAT VEIN, I CAME TO THINK ABOUT, MAYBE WE SHOULD MAKE A STRONGER EMPHASIS ON MARINE TRANSPORT OR THE USE OF THE WATERS.
I KNOW THE FOLKS ON THE FRISKY ISLAND HAVE EXPRESSED THE DESIRE TO HAVE MORE EMPHASIS ON MARINE TRANSPORT, TO AND FROM OUR ISLAND.
AND I SEE THE OPPORTUNITIES HERE NEED TO BE EXAMINED, WHETHER WE'RE TALKING FERRY SERVICE, WE'RE TALKING WATER TAXI, WE'RE TALKING, FISHING, PIER ACCESS, WE'RE TALKING MORE, VERINA ACCESS MORE BOAT, DIACON KAYAKING AREAS.
UM, COULD YOU TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT HOW ARE WE GOING TO USE HALF OF OUR COUNTY, WHICH IS MORTAR AND ADD VALUE BECAUSE IT IS VALUED, UH, TO THE, UH, THE CITIZENS OF BUFORD COUNTY BY MAKING BETTER USE OF OUR WATERWAYS, NOT JUST TO USE THEM, BUT TO PROTECT THEM AND PRESERVE THEM.
AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A STRONGER EMPHASIS TO THE MOBILITY SEGMENT THAT BEGINS ON PAGE 47 FOR WATER ACCESS, EXPANDING MARINE ACCESS AND TRANSPORT SERVICES, LIKE VERY SERVICES, WATER, TAXI SERVICES, PUBLIC DOCKAGE SERVICES, MARINAS, KAYAK, LAUNCHES, FISHING, PIERS, GIVEN A FULL EXAMINATION OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES.
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WE DID HAVE SOME LANGUAGE IN THE EXISTING CONFERENCE OF PLAN THAT ADDRESSES IT.SO VERY PAINFUL WITH THE BRAINTAP FOR, I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW TO EXPAND A LITTLE BIT.
THERE MAY HAVE TO BE A SERVICE THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, PROVIDED THE COUNTY.
UM, THERE ARE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, OTHER COUNTIES THAT DO HAVE A VERY SURFACE THAT'S SUPPORTED BY COUNTY COUNTY FUNDING.
AND SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER TO CONNECT OUR DISTANT ISLAND AND COMMUNITIES.
I MEAN, HOW FAR IS IT FROM HILTON HEAD CAN BUFORD BY WATER ON THE WEATHER AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU GET SEASICK, I GUESS.
I DO WANT TO COME IN, UM, THE COUNTY FOR, I MEAN, IT'S EASY TO GET WRAPPED UP IN THE LITTLE THINGS, YOU KNOW, ONE NEED AND WANT TO BE ADJUSTED, BUT IT'S A REALLY NICE LOOKING DOCUMENT AND THERE'S A LOT OF HARD WORK AND I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
I I'M, I'M, I'M IMPRESSED WITH THE DOCUMENT I AGREE WITH ON THE MAPS.
I THINK THERE'S A FEW THINGS TO KIND OF CLEAN IT UP A BIT AND, UM, I THINK WE'RE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE.
UM, UM, I GUESS I'M GOING TO GO OFF TOPIC A LITTLE BIT AND ASK ABOUT, ON YOUR PLANS FOR MESSAGING THE DOCUMENT, YOU KNOW, H HOW, WHAT, WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC IS AWARE OF A, THE DOCUMENTS ASSETS BE NOT TO BE FRIGHTENED OF IT, SEEING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOMETHING AWAY FROM THEM AND SEE THAT IT'S, UM, USER FRIENDLY.
I MEAN, I WOULD THINK THOSE ARE THREE VERY IMPORTANT MESSAGING POINTS.
AND IS THERE A PLAN FOR THAT? WELL, I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THE WORD OUT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC NOW THAT IT IS ONLINE.
UM, AND SO WE'VE SEEN, RECEIVED A LOT OF COMMENTS, BUT THEY'VE BEEN, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN ISSUE.
ONE OF THE PARTS OF THE COUNTY THEY'VE BEEN REVOLVING AROUND THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE.
SO WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF DIVERSITY COMMENTS YET SOME OF THE WAYS THAT WE'RE HOPING TO DO THAT.
UM, AND I REALIZE THIS MESSAGING IS IMPORTANT, BUT WE WANT THE DOCUMENT.
PART OF THE REASON THAT WE'VE, WE'VE STREAMLINED IT AND MADE IT MORE GET RIGHT INTO THE STRATEGIES AND ACTIONS, RATHER THAN IT BEING A INCH THICK DOCUMENT WITH A LOT OF BACKGROUND THAT WAY PEOPLE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY HONE IN ON WHAT ARE THE COUNTY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES AND ACTIONS, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, PART OF IT IS JUST IN ARRANGING YOUR DOCUMENT.
WE WANT IT TO BE MUCH EASIER TO CONVEY THAT.
AND WE HAVE ALSO, AND I REALIZE IT'S STILL KIND OF IN THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE WHERE WE'RE WORKING ON THIS ACTION MATRIX, OR I THINK THE COLLECTION PLAYBOOK.
AND THAT IS AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE STRATEGIES, UM, THAT ARE MORE TELLING PERHAPS HOW TO MAKE FUTURE DECISIONS.
AND THEN ACTIONS ARE THINGS THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY TAKE ACTION AND CHECK OFF THE BOX AND SAY YOU DID IT, OR IT'S AN ONGOING THING.
AND SO OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE THOSE ACTIONABLE ITEMS, UM, LISTED IN A MATRIX FORMAT PRIORITIZED AND BE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE TRACKED.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE WAYS, WE'RE HOPING TO KEEP THIS LIVING DOCUMENTS.
THAT'S ALWAYS A DANGER WITH CONFERENCE OF PLANS IS THEY, THEY LOOK PRETTIER.
I MEAN, AS ED SAID, YOU KNOW, T TO STRENGTHEN THE WORK PLAN ASPECT OF THIS, I THINK THAT'S GREAT.
I GUESS WHEN I SAY IN MESSAGING, I MEAN, NOT ONLY DO THAT EXCELLENT, BUT CONVEY THAT ASPECT OF THE PLAN, BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN IN STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESSES EITHER AS A VOLUNTEER IN THEIR WORKPLACE.
AND I'M LIKE, OH, NO, THERE'S STRATEGIC PLAN.
IT'S GOING TO SIT ON THE SHELF.
SO I VERY MUCH, I REALLY DO THINK THIS DOCUMENT IS ALREADY, UM, DYNAMIC.
AND, UM, JUST TO KEEP REINFORCING THAT IT IS SOMETHING SUGGESTING ACTIONABLE ITEMS, TRACKABLE ITEMS, RECEIVING MORE INPUT.
UM, I WAS A LITTLE SKEPTICAL AT THE BEGINNING.
I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE TOO SQUISHY.
AND, UH, I THINK I SHARED THAT WITH YOU.
UM, YEAH, I WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AND I, UM, AM EXTREMELY PLEASED THAT I WAS PROVEN WRONG.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THIS IS A FANTASTIC DOCUMENT.
I CAN'T, I CAN'T STATE THAT ENOUGH.
UM, BUT TWO OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT WE STRUGGLE WITH ON THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS ARE TRAFFIC AND ENVIRONMENT.
AND I DIDN'T SEE A LOT OF THAT IN HERE, AND I KNOW IT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T HAVE THAT
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LEVEL OF GRANULARITY, UM, ON THOSE TOPICS AND A DOCUMENT LIKE THIS, BUT I THOUGHT IT SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, MORE, MORE DEEPLY STATED THAT THAT'S ONE OF OUR KEY CONCEPTS BECAUSE OF THE WORKSHOPS THAT YOU HELD, BOTH IN BEAVERT.AND IN BLUFFTON KNOW, I WENT TO, I THINK I WENT TO MOST OF THEM.
UM, AND, AND YOU SURVEYED PEOPLE THAT KEPT COMING UP AS, YOU KNOW, RECREATION ENVIRONMENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, DID I JUST SAY THE ENVIRONMENT, THE, UM, TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, TH THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE CONCERNS.
THEY'RE AT THE TOP OF THE CONCERNS FOR THE CITIZENS OF BEAVER COUNTY.
AND I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD SEE IT MORE KIND OF LACED IN THIS DOCUMENT MORE SO, YEAH.
THE, WE SORT OF SHOWED A CIGARETTE A LITTLE BIT OF IT.
I MEAN, WE DO IN THIS, THERE'S A KIND OF THREE THEMES THAT WE'VE THROUGH THE DOCUMENTS, THE EQUITY, THE RESILIENCE PLACEMAKING AND RESILIENCE REALLY DEALS A LOT WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, MAYBE YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE DON'T REALLY, WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED TRANSPORTATION AS A MAJOR THEME, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY VERY DOMINANT TO THE DOCUMENT.
I MEAN, I CAN SEE THAT IT'S THOUGHT OF, BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TROLLEY SYSTEMS AND BUS ROUTES AND MAYBE WATER, YOU KNOW, WATER ROUTES AND ALL THAT'S GREAT, YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF, UM, ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC, UM, CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE AND ALREADY ON LADY'S ISLAND, THEY'RE, THEY'RE IMPLEMENTING THEM LADY'S ISLAND PLAN WITH THE NEW TURN LANE COMING OFF, SAM SAM'S POINT ROAD AND ALL THAT'S GREAT AND IT'S PROGRESS, BUT I JUST, YOU KNOW, AS OUR ETHOS, YOU KNOW, UM, THOSE ARE THE TOPICS THAT I THINK RESONATED WITH MOST OF THE CITIZENS OF BEAVER COUNTY IS, YOU KNOW, LET'S PROTECT OUR ENVIRONMENT, LET'S KEEP TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, UH, MANAGEABLE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE A SAFE, YOU KNOW, HEALTHY PLACE TO LIVE.
SO WHAT KIND OF THINGS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH AND I'VE HEARD THOSE THEMES LAST 20 YEARS.
ONE THING I DO LIKE ABOUT THIS PLAN, AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T PLAYED UP ENOUGH IS THE ISSUE OF EQUITY AND TRYING TO LOOK AT IS BEAVER COUNTY A GOOD PLACE FOR ALL THE LIVE FOR A SET OF BETTER PLACE FOR, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO ARE HIGHER UP IN THE SOCIOECONOMIC LADDER, THAT THOSE WHO ARE STRUGGLING.
AND I, I DO PLUG THE CONSULTANT FOR MAYBE IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T THINK THAT TRAFFIC IS, IS, IS IMPORTANT.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN, BUT I THINK IT'S TAKEN A LOOK AT, THERE WERE PERHAPS SOME OTHER ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO, UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE IMPACT OF GROWTH AND ALL CHANGES IN OUR COUNTY THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT, UM, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THAT THAT'S MAYBE THE COUNTER TO IT IS THAT WE'RE STILL, WE PUT A LOT OF IMPORTANCE ON TRAFFIC BECAUSE THAT'S OBVIOUSLY THE WAY WE'VE GROWN.
THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT REALLY HITS US AS IF WE'RE HAVING TO SIT IN TRAFFIC LONGER, BUT THERE ARE THESE OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED AROUND THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH SOCIAL EQUITY THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE'RE THE LOWER INVISIBLE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY IMPORTANT.
AND THEY, THEY AFFECT THE LIVES OF MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS.
SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S JUST THE RESHIFTING OF THE FOCUS, BUT, UH, NOT SAYING THAT THOSE THINGS ARE
I THINK ALL THE COMPONENTS IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED, UM, THE GREEN PRINT PLAN IS CERTAINLY GOES INTO EXTREME AMOUNT OF DETAIL ABOUT THE NEED TO PROTECT THE FARM IS IDENTIFYING ALL OF THE AREAS AND THE ISSUES FOR CONNECTIVITY, FOR PROTECTION OF LOWLANDS, ET CETERA, UM, THAT NEEDS TO BE, AND IS INTENDED TO BE INTEGRATED WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO THAT THERE'S A COLLABORATION ALWAYS SAW IT BETWEEN THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AND MY HAND AND THE DEVELOPMENT ISSUES ON THE OTHER.
AND AS YOU LOOK AT EVERY PIECE OF PROPERTY INCREASING, THERE'S A LESS OF AN INVENTORY PROPERTY.
AND SO THE CRITICALITY OF USING THAT PROPERTY EITHER TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT OR TO DEVELOP, AND TO WHAT DEGREE I THINK IS LAID OUT VERY CLEARLY, UM, AND THE GREENPRINT PLAN AND, AND, UM, AND CAN BE CROSS-REFERENCED VERY EASILY THROUGH THE COMP PLAN.
IT'S GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT TO MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR MESSAGE.
AND SO MESSAGING BECOMES, AGAIN, A CRITICAL POINT, UM, IN TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT, WE'RE USING WEBINARS ALL OVER THE PLACE.
UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE COUNTY, UM, AND WORKING WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, MAYBE ENVIRONMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS, CONSTRUCTION BUILDING, UH, ORGANIZATIONS TO TAKE A LOOK AT, UM, EXPLAINING AND INTEGRATING
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THESE TWO DOCUMENTS, HOW THEY'RE GOING TO WORK TOGETHER AS CAN GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THAT CAN HAPPEN.UH, BECAUSE AGAIN, IF WE DON'T USE THOSE DOCUMENTS THAT PORTRAY VERY, VERY FACTUAL BASE ON HOW WE GO FORWARD, THEN WE'VE DONE IT ALL FOR NOTHING.
UM, AND SO AGAIN, THE MESSAGING BECOMES VERY CLEAR AND ANYBODY CAN, ONCE YOU QUIT CREATING A WEBINAR, IS THERE FOREVER, AND YOU CAN ALWAYS USE IT.
AND ANYTIME THAT YOU WANT IT, YOUR PARTICULAR INTERESTS COME UP IN A PARTICULAR AREA TO CONSULT THE WEBINAR ABOUT THE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE PERTINENT TO YOUR ISSUE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WERE JUST, UM, CORRECTIONS OR QUESTIONS.
UM, THINGS LIKE, UM, INCLUDING THE 20, 21 FEMA FLOOD GUIDELINES, UPDATING THE DOCUMENT FOR THAT.
UM, YEAH, WE DO MAKE REFERENCE TO IT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF ADDITIONAL FREEBOARD, BECAUSE OUR FLOOD MAPS HAVE FUN DOWN IN ELEVATION.
SO IT'S ADDRESSED IN A, UM, A, ONE OF THE ACTION ITEMS THAT WE COULD TALK ABOUT.
DO YOU FEEL THAT IT NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE MORE PROMINENT? WELL, ON PAGE 24, IT LISTS, IT MAKES REFERENCE TO THE DOCUMENTS, UM, AND THAT ONE, AND IT GIVES A CHRONIC, A LOGICAL ORDER AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT DEMONSTRATES, UH, LET ME TURN THE PAGE.
THERE WAS A COMPENDIUM OF DOCUMENTS THAT WERE REFERENCED, UH, MAYBE IT WAS IN THE ATLAS, BUT I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE PERTINENT TO ALSO INCLUDE IT IN HERE IS THE DISCUSSION OF FLOODING AND ALL THAT TAKES PLACE AS TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THE 20, 21 FEMA, LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE WERE ON THE APPLE SLANG, WHICH WAS WRITTEN ABOUT SIX MONTHS PRIOR TO THIS.
AND SO THERE MIGHT BE LIKE THAT THAT MAY BE AN UPDATED.
UM, AGAIN, IF, IF, IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS THAT AS A RESULT OF THIS DISCUSSION THAT YOU'D LIKE TO AMPLIFY ON, UM, OR THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO SEND FORWARD, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT, UH, TO ROD YOU WE'LL SHARE THEM WITH, UH, THE CONSULTANT ORGANIZATION.
AND I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO POUR THROUGH ALL OF THESE FOR THE NEXT 30 DAYS.
YOU WANT TO TALK A MINUTE ABOUT THE, THE GAME PLAN GOING FORWARD HERE, WHAT'S OUR NEXT TASK.
WELL, UM, WHAT WERE DO, YOU KNOW, AT THE, UH, APRIL PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THAT WAS KIND OF AN UNFAILING PLAN.
AND SO AT THAT SAME TIME, WE PUT OUT A PUBLIC NOTICE TO ALL THE COUNTIES, MAILING LISTS, LETTING THEM KNOW THAT THE PLAN WAS OUT THERE.
WE GAVE PEOPLE A IT BE TO REMEMBER WHAT THE DATE WAS.
I THINK WE GAVE PEOPLE A DEADLINE TO MAKE COMMENTS AND THE STAFF.
UM, WE ALSO SENT THE PLAN TO EACH OF THE, THE, THE RELEVANT, UH, COUNTY DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS TO, UM, MUNICIPAL PLANNERS, TO OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE'VE BEEN VERY ACTIVE IN THE PLANNING WORLD, UM, SUCH AS CAUSE CONSERVATION LEAGUE AT THE OPEN LAND TRUST, SUFFOLK, VARIOUS ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS.
UH, AND SO WE'RE HOPING TO HEAR BACK FROM THE PUBLIC, FROM ALL THIS INPUT.
AND THEN WE WILL DEVELOP IN ADDITION TO THE COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, A MATRIX OF COMMENTS, AND ITS STAFF WILL SIT DOWN AND COME UP WITH HOW WE WANT TO ADDRESS EACH OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OR COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD HOPE THAT MOST OF THEM WILL TAKE, YOU KNOW, TAKE TO HEART AND MAKE EDITS.
SOME OF THEM MAY BE THAT THEY'RE ADDRESSED SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO WE PROVIDE CLARITY SUDDENLY IN THE PUBLIC.
YOU KNOW, WE MAY JUST HAVE TO SAY STAFF DISAGREES, WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO REVIEW.
AND WE MAY WANT TO SET A WORKSHOP DATE, MAYBE EIGHT TO DO THAT.
ONCE WE INCREASE ON THE HABITS WE WANT TO MAKE TO KEEP THE DOCUMENT AFTER THE CLIENT'S BRITISH HAS HAD A LOOK AT IT, WE'LL SEND THOSE OFF FOR CONSULTANTS TO MAKE THE CHANGES AND COME UP WITH A FINAL DRAFT THAT WE WILL, THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THAT FOR THE JUNE EFFICIENT MEETING WHERE WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, THAT'S AN AMBITIOUS SCHEDULE, BUT THAT'S, SO THEN AT THE JUNE
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MEETING, UH, LIKE A PUBLIC HEARING, WOULD THAT BE A FINAL RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING? IS THAT HOW WE WOULD CONCLUDE THAT YOU CAN EITHER TAKE ACTION AT THAT JUNE MEETING OR EITHER THE PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, BASED UPON THE PUBLIC HEARING MAY WANT TO HAVE THE PUBLIC OF HEARING AND THEN TAKE ACTION AT THE JULY.YOU, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING GOOD.
WE MAY HAVE A MONTH OFF WITH AN ACTUAL RESOURCES TODAY, WHICH I THINK GIVES US A LITTLE MORE ROOM TO WORK WITH.
THERE'S I DON'T THINK YOU'RE SAVING RUSH TO MAKE A DECISION AT THE JUNE MEETING, OR WHY NEED TO SEND IT OFF TO NATURAL RESOURCES AND COUNTY COUNCIL.
BECAUSE I THINK BECAUSE OF THE SUMMER, THEY MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED A LOT OF TIMES IN JULY AND WE'LL
NEXT STEP IS BASICALLY A REVIEW BY THE CONSULTANT.
UM, WELL, ONCE WE GET OUR COMMENTS, IF IT'S SALT, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT REVISE SOC.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NEXT STEPS HERE, ANYTHING MORE ON THIS ISSUE WITH THE MAY, UM, WORKSHOP DATE? WOULD THAT BE, UM, IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OR WOULD THAT BE A SEPARATE EVENT? I THINK IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A SEPARATE EVENT BECAUSE WE'RE GIVING PEOPLE TILL TONIGHT IT'S ALREADY.
OUR MAIN MEETINGS BEFORE THAT WE COULD PICK ANOTHER, MAYBE A TUESDAY AFTERNOON.
YOU'RE GOOD TO SEE THE ONE FOR US TODAY.
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FINAL COMMENT THAT I I'D OFFER UP.AND, AND THIS, UH, DIANE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ABOUT THIS IS THE APA CONFERENCE, STILL OPEN REGISTRATION.
SO I KNOW THAT THERE ARE BEFORE THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE SIGNED UP FOR THE APA THREE-DAY CONFERENCE OF EXTENSIVE WEBINARS, AND WHAT'S THAT THE APA CONFERENCES, A NATIONAL PLANNING ASSOCIATION WORK, A CONFERENCE THAT IS BEING HELD DIGITALLY THIS YEAR AND OVER A THREE-DAY PERIOD, THEY PROVIDE A COMPENDIUM OF, UH, ISSUES PERTINENT TO PLANNING ORGANIZATIONS AND COUNTY OFFICIALS RELATIVE TO MANY OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN HERE, NOT IN THERE, IT'S NOT PERSONAL.
UM, AND SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THAT IF YOU SIGN UP FOR THE PROGRAM, AS IT'S BEING OFFERED BY THE COUNTY, YOU HAVE UP TO JUNE 30TH TO VIEW ANY OF THE VIDEOS.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO POUR OVER EIGHT HOURS OF THREE DAYS WORTH OF VIDEOS.
AND THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S A LIBRARY OF ABOUT 300 VIDEOS THAT THEY OPEN UP TO YOU I'VE BEEN THROUGH THE FIRST FOUR OR FIVE PAGES.
AND IN MY HEAD SWIMMING, IT'S LIKE BEING IN A CANDY SHOP, WHICH ONE WHERE I'M TAKING, I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT'LL OFFER IT.
THERE ARE PROBABLY 30 DIFFERENT SESSIONS TO ATTEND THE CONFERENCE.
IF YOU'RE ONLY INTERESTED IN ONE OR TWO, WE COULD PROBABLY ARRANGE FOR, OR ONE STAFF WILL HAVE REGISTERS.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN SEEING, YOU KNOW, WE COULD PROBABLY ARRANGE TO HAVE TO KIND OF THE OPPOSITE AND WHAT COUNTS TOWARDS YOUR TRAINING, WHICH IS ALWAYS GOOD.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT.
ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE GOOD OF THE CAUSE IF NOT EVEN THIS MEETING ADJOURNED.