Apr 19, 2021 Public Facilities Committee

WHY DON'T WE GOT ON A FULL AGENDA.

I'M ADVISED THAT THE PROPER NOTIFICATION, UH, WE HAVE AN AGENDA BEFORE US.

[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

IT'S KIND OF FULL.

ARE THERE ANY CHANGES OR ADDITIONS TO THE AGENDA SEEING NONE.

MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL? I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.

SECOND, SECOND.

TO CITIZEN COMMENT AND SARAH, I THINK YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF FOLKS THAT HAVE JOINED US AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THEIR COMMENTS.

ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS SAYING THIS IS APPROVED WITHOUT OBJECTION? UH, THAT BRINGS US

[5. CITIZENS COMMENTS]

IF YOU CAN, UH, CALL THEM ONE BY ONE AS BEST YOU CAN.

YES, SIR.

I'M LOOKING, SUSAN, ARE YOU ON TO SPEAK AND CITIZEN COMMENT? UH, YES.

I DON'T KNOW THAT I SHOULD BE THE FIRST, BUT HELLO EVERYONE.

UM, I AM, UH, LOGGING IN TODAY ON BEHALF OF, UM, CITIZENS OF BUFORD COUNTY WHO WISH TO HAVE PICKLEBALL FACILITIES.

UM, PICKLEBALL IS A VERY FAST GROWING SPORT.

UM, IT IS PARTICULARLY EASY TO LEARN AND TO PLAY AS A SENIOR AND, UM, FROM MY, UH, RESEARCH ONLINE, UM, I HAVE FOUND THAT AS A 2020 BUFORD COUNTY HAS, UM, UH, 21.3, NO, I'M SORRY.

28% OF THE CITIZENS OF BUFORD COUNTY ARE 65 OR OLDER.

SO I THINK THAT, UM, WHILE MANY OF YOU ONLINE, MAYBE TENNIS FANATICS, UH, SOME OF US ONLINE ARE PICKABLE FANATICS AND WE ARE GRADUATES OF TENNIS.

UM, IT'S A NICE SPORT TO COME ALONG AND MANY, MANY CITIES AND COUNTIES AROUND THE COUNTRY HAVE PROVIDED PICKLEBALL FACILITIES FOR THEIR SENIORS.

UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE BALL FOR SENIORS.

I MEAN, UH, FACILITIES SOUTH OF THE BROAD PROVIDED BY THE COUNTY, BUT WE HAVE NONE NORTH OF THE BROAD WE HAVE BEEN PLAYING.

I PERSONALLY HAVE BEEN PLAYING FOR FIVE YEARS WITH THE SAME GROUP OF OVER A HUNDRED PEOPLE.

UM, WE INITIALLY PLAYED AT THE SHED IN PORT ROYAL PORT ROYAL, BUT WHEN THAT WAS SOLD, WE HAD TO FIND ANOTHER FACILITY AND WE HAVE REPURPOSED OF COURT ON SOUTH SIDE PARK TO BE ABLE TO PLAY REGULARLY.

WE PLAY THREE DAYS A WEEK.

UM, SO I, I HOPE THAT YOU WOULD SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THIS.

WE HAVE BEEN PETITIONING THE COUNTY AND THE PUBLIC FACILITIES, UH, SPORTS FACILITIES DEPARTMENT FOR A NUMBER OF THE I'M HOPING THAT THIS YEAR IS THE YEAR THAT WE, YOU CAN GO FORWARD AND BUDGET THAT.

UM, MR. MISS LEVIN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO NEXT? WHERE ARE YOU? OKAY.

HI, I'M ARTHUR LEVIN.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO BE A FOR COUNTY.

LIKE MANY OF YOU.

I'M A NATIVE OF BUFORD.

I'M A GRADUATE OF BUFORD HOSPITAL AND PLAYED ON THE TENNIS TEAM UNDER THE GREAT COACH GARNER FULL DISCLOSURE.

I WAS NUMBER SIX OUT OF SIX PLAYERS ON THE TEAM.

HERE'S A PLAY.

THIS BEGAN MY INVOLVEMENT IN RACKET SPORTS.

I PLAYED RECREATIONAL TENNIS AND RACQUETBALL FOR MANY YEARS DUE TO BACK AND SHOULDER ISSUES.

MY WIFE HELPING US, I PLAYING PICKLEBALL MINUTES, EXCUSE ME.

I STOPPED PLAYING TENNIS ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO, FOUR YEARS AGO, ELLIE DISCOVERED PICKLE BALL AND PORT ROYAL.

THANKS TO JANE ABRAMS WHO REALLY GOT US ALL STARTED.

KELLY WAS HOOKED IMMEDIATELY SINCE I WAS STILL WORKING.

I PLAYED ON OCCASION AND REALLY ENJOYED IT.

IT'S EASY TO LEARN AND FUN TO PLAY.

NOW THAT I'VE RETIRED, I GET TO PLAY REGULARLY.

PICKLEBALL IS GREAT EXERCISE, VERY SOCIAL, TWO IMPORTANT ELEMENTS FOR SUCCESSFUL

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AGING.

OUR STORY IS A STORY OF THOUSANDS OF BABY BOOMERS NATIONWIDE.

WHAT'S INTERESTING.

THAT IS, IT IS NOT JUST FOR SENIORS.

ACCORDING TO THE USA PICKLEBALL ASSOCIATION, THE LARGEST PERCENTAGE PLAYING TODAY OR 18 TO 34 YEAR OLDS FOLLOWED BY 35 TO 54 YEAR OLDS.

AND IN ADDITION, THE SOUTH ATLANTIC REGION IS THE FASTEST GROWING REGION IN THE COUNTRY.

WHAT YOU MAY NOT KNOW IS THAT THERE ARE MANY PLAYING IN THE EVENINGS AND BUFORD, BUT MOST ARE WORKING TODAY AND CAN'T BE ON THIS CALL.

WE DESPERATELY NEED YOUR SUPPORT TO JOIN THIS LONGTERM TREND.

CURRENTLY, THERE ARE NO PUBLIC CRITICAL BALL COURTS, NORTHERN BUFORD COUNTY, IN MY OPINION, THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE AND NON-DISRUPTIVE IMMEDIATE PLAN WOULD BE TO USE SHELL POINT PARK.

THIS PARK APPEARS TO GET VERY LITTLE USE.

THE TWO TENNIS COURTS ARE UNSAFE AND COULD BE RESURFACED AND CONVERTED TO SIX TO EIGHT PICKLEBALL COURTS.

A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THIS CONVERSION IS AT COOSAW POINT ON LADY'S ISLAND, WHERE THEY HAVE CONVERTED A TENNIS COURT INTO THREE DEDICATED PICKLEBALL COURTS.

I ENCOURAGE YOU TO SEE THESE COURTS AND VISIT CHARLOTTE POINT ART.

IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT RECENTLY ON A PERSONAL NOTE FOR WOODEN PARTNERS.

CONGRATULATIONS ON THIS PROJECT IN THE LATE 1880S, I WORKED CLOSELY WITH PERRY WOOD AS A CLIENT.

I APPLAUD YOU FOR HONORING PERRY, BUCKY KEEPING HIS NAME AND THE NAME OF YOUR FIRM.

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION OF PUBLIC PICKLEBALL FROM NORTHERN BUFORD COUNTY.

THAT'S GOT ANOTHER ONE.

YES THEY ARE, BUT IT'S NOT SHOWING A NAME.

I CAN JUST HEAR HER SPEAKING.

UM, OKAY.

MA'AM THE LAST NAME OF WELKER, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO NEXT, YOU CAN.

I'M NOT I'M UNSCREENED AT ALL, BUT THAT'S OKAY.

I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT.

I ALSO BELIEVE IN PICKLEBALL AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE COURTS DEDICATED.

AND WHILE I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO HAVE COURTS USED WHILE YOU DEVELOP SHELL POINT, I THINK THAT'S A WONDERFUL IDEA TO DEVELOP THAT, BUT WE DO NEED SOME HELP.

IN THE MEANTIME, SINCE I PRESUME THIS WOULD NOT BE DONE IN A MONTH OR EVEN IN SIX MONTHS.

SO, UM, MY POINT WOULD BE WHAT CAN WE DO IN THE MEANTIME TO HELP US OUT? THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT'S ON THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ALSO.

ONE GAME THAT LASTS 15 MINUTES BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF DEMAND THAT PICKLEBALL IS IN, AND I WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO FIND A PLACE, UH, WITH A SPORT RIGHT NOW THAT IS PLAYED IN BUFORD COUNTY, UH, FACILITIES WHERE YOU HAVE TO WAIT 30 MINUTES TO JUST PLAY ONE SHORT QUAKE GAME.

WE'LL START WITH JOSH AND THEN WE'LL GO TO MR. UH, EVERYBODY.

UH, MY NAME IS JOSH JOSIE AND I'M IN THAT, UH, AGE GROUP THAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT ART.

UM, I'M IN THE 18 TO 34 RANGE AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PICKLEBALL COMMUNITY HERE TODAY.

UM, SO REALLY, I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT AND TALK ABOUT PICKLEBALL, THE FASTEST GROWING SPORT IN AMERICA.

UH, IT IS FOR EVERYBODY.

I HAVE PERSONALLY INTRODUCED, UH, THIS SPORT TO OVER 50 PEOPLE AND THE MAJORITY OF THOSE BEING YOUNGER INDIVIDUALS AND THOSE THAT I PLAY RACQUETBALL WITH, UM, SUPER HEALTHY SPORT, UH, IT'S NOT LOCKED BEHIND A HIGHEST SKILL LEVEL, SO PEOPLE CAN JUST GO AND LEARN HOW TO PLAY, WHICH HISTORICALLY WITH, UH, OTHERS SPORTS, RACQUETBALL, TENNIS INCLUDED, THERE, THERE IS A LEARNING CURVE, BUT PICKLE BALL IS PRETTY MUCH YOU PICK UP THE BATTLE AND YOU START PLAYING.

UM, SO REALLY, UH, RIGHT NOW WITH, UH, THE AVAILABILITY, NO AVAILABILITY OF COURTS AND VERY LIMITED AVAILABILITY, ESPECIALLY NORTH OF THE BROAD WE CAN SOUTH SIDE IS, UH, BASICALLY THE ONLY PLACE THAT WE CAN PLAY PUBLICLY.

WE REALLY DO NEED A PLACE TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, PICKLEBALL PLAYERS, UH, IN BUFORD COUNTY.

UM, OFTEN WHEN YOU GO OUT TO SOME OF THESE PLACES TO PLAY, YOU WILL BE WAITING 15, 20 MINUTES, SOMETIMES 30 MINUTES JUST TO PLAY

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UM, SO YEAH, I JUST REALLY WANTED TO REPRESENT, UM, THE PICKLEBALL COMMUNITY AND ALSO THE YOUNGER WORKING INDIVIDUALS THAT LOVE THE SPORT AND WOULD LOVE TO PLAY ON BUFORD COUNTY FACILITIES.

MA'AM ALL RIGHT, SO I GET ONE MORE.

YES, SIR.

MR. I THINK IS THE LAST NAME THAT IS CORRECT.

UH, APPRECIATE EVERYBODY TAKING TIME OUT TO CONSIDER THIS TOPIC TODAY.

MY NAME IS JEFF BACK.

I LIVE IN THE HABERSHAM COMMUNITY WHERE WE'RE PRESENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF TRAINING, UH, 40 NEW PLAYERS TO PLAY THIS GAME.

UH, THAT I ALSO PLAY MY INTEREST IN THE ISSUE OF, UH, PUBLIC COURTS IN NORTHERN BUFORD COUNTY AROSE SAYS OUT OF A PROJECT FOR THE BUFORD COUNTY SENIOR LEADERSHIP PROGRAM TO JOAN WAS A PARTICIPANT IN BEFORE COVID SHUT THAT DOWN.

AND IN ADDITION TO MY INTEREST IN IT, UH, FOR THE OPPORTUNITIES TO PLAY, ENTER COMMUNITY PLAY AND LEAGUES AND CLINICS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, MY INTEREST WAS MORE, A LITTLE BROADER THAN THAT AND LOOKING INTO IT, UH, 50% OF THE PEOPLE WHO PLAYED PICKABLE IN THE UNITED STATES WHEN SURVEYED SAY THAT THEY LOOKED FOR PLACES TO PLAY PICKLEBALL AS PART OF THEIR, UH, EXAMINING WHEN THEY TRAVEL, WHEN THEY'RE ON VACATION.

UH, AND PRESENTLY, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN THAT NEED IN NORTHERN BUFORD COUNTY, BECAUSE THERE ARE NO PUBLIC FACILITIES FOR THE PLAYING OF PICKLE BALL BY AND LARGE.

AND ON TOP OF THAT IS THE ECONOMIC BENEFIT THAT HAS BEEN REALIZED BY COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE INVESTED IN PUBLIC PICKLEBALL FACILITIES, UM, REVENUE STREAMS, PARTICULARLY IF YOU START OFFERING EVEN SMALL SCALE TOURNAMENT, PLAY IN YOUR LOCALE, UH, IS ANYWHERE FROM, UH, AMOUNTS OF MONEY IN THE SEVERAL THOUSANDS FOR PEOPLE THAT COME IN TO PLAY AND WHAT YOU OBSERVE AND SPECTATE AND SPEND MONEY ON RESTAURANTS AND HOTELS UP TO FOR SOME OF THE MORE NATIONAL TOURNAMENTS, UH, $3 MILLION, UH, INPUTS TO THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.

SO I SAW, UH, PUBLIC PICKLEBALL FACILITIES AND BUFORD COUNTY NOT ONLY MEETING A NEED FOR THE PLAYER COMMUNITY THAT EXISTS TODAY, WHICH IS PROBABLY IN THE AREA OF AT LEAST TWO TO 300, MAYBE 400 PLAYERS.

WHEN YOU PUT ALL THE COMMUNITIES TOGETHER TO SEE IT POSSIBLY BECOMING EVEN A BENEFIT TO THE, UH, COMMUNITY ON THE SCALE OF THINGS LIKE THE BUFORD FILM, FIRST OF ALL, AND THE SEAFOOD FESTIVAL AND SO FORTH.

SO I SAW IT AS HAVING A GREAT ECONOMIC BENEFIT TO NORTHERN BUFORD COUNTY, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE OPPORTUNITY TO PLAY.

AND THERE WAS ONE LOOKS AT THAT AND SEES GROWTH, UH, AND THE NUMBER OF PLAYERS AND THE NUMBER OF FACILITIES THAT ARE OCCURRING IN THE COUNTRY AND MY JUDGMENT, UH, IT WOULD BEHOOVE BUFORD COUNTY TO JOIN THAT COMMUNITY AND INVESTING IN THAT KIND OF FACILITY.

AND I DO THANK YOU FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF THIS TOPIC.

WELL, THANK YOU ALL, I THINK, UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING SENSITIVE TO WHAT THE CITIZENS ARE INTERESTED

WELL, WE THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

I THINK THE ADMINISTRATION IS ALREADY MUCH AWARE OF THE INTEREST AND I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS GOING ON.

UH, ERIC, IS THERE A REAL QUICK UPDATE ON THE PICKLEBALL FROM YOU OR ONE OF YOUR STAFF MEMBERS? YEAH.

REAL QUICK.

I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT WE, UH, WE HAVE ESTABLISHED A PICKLE BALL TASK FORCE, UH, THAT ARE LOOKING AT SOME SHORT TERM OPTIONS.

UM, MR. ATKINSON, MS. LOPER WITH PARKS AND REC ARE EVALUATING CLIENT FACILITIES WHERE WE CAN GO AHEAD AND DO SOME QUICK RESTRIPE OF EXISTING UNDERUSED, UH, TENNIS FACILITIES, AND ALSO, UH, RESURFACING SOME, UH, TENNIS COURTS AS A MID TERM OPTION.

AND THEN LONG-TERM, WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING, UH, ACTUAL NEW FACILITIES AND WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO TO PUT THAT AS A PART OF OUR RECREATION PLAN.

CHUCK, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT TOO MUCH COVERS IT? I WILL SAY THAT THE SHORT TERM INCLUDES THE SHELL POINT AREA IN WESLEY, FELIX ON, UH, UH, ST.

HELENA AND IN THE LONG-TERM, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED AT LENGTH WITH THE TASK FORCE IS GOING TO INVOLVE THE MASTER PLAN, WHICH IS ON THE SCHEDULE FOR TODAY.

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[6. CONSIDERATION OF AUTHORIZATION TO PROCEED WITH DESIGN AND PERMITTING OF SC 170 IMPROVEMENTS BETWEEN 278 AND 462 ON AM EXPEDITED BASIS, NOT TO EXCEED $300,000.00]

IN.

ITEM NUMBER SIX HAS TO DO WITH SOME POTENTIAL DESIGN WORK ON A ONE 70.

YOU CAN PUT THAT UP IF YOU WANT IT.

AND, UH, SARAH EVEN PUT UP THAT ONE SLIDE, IF YOU HAVE IT.

OH, YES, SIR.

AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE, THERE ARE TWO INDIVIDUALS THAT HAD THEIR HAND UP, SO WHILE I'M GETTING THE SLIDE, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT INDIVIDUALS WITH OUR GROUP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

I'M NOT, SIR.

I JUST SEE THEM WITH THEIR HAND UP AT THE SCREEN KID.

DOES IT SHOW IN THERE WHERE YOU ARE? IS IT NOT SHOWING? I CAN'T SEE IT.

EMILY HAS HER HAND UP.

YES, I DO.

MY NAME IS EMILY PEPPERMINT.

I WANTED TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT IF I COULD.

UH, WE'LL BE BRIEF.

WE'VE KIND OF RUN OUT OF TIME.

WELL, LET ME JUST START IN THE BEGINNING THEN, AND JUST SAY THAT, UM, I BEGAN WORKING TO FIND AN ALTERNATIVE LOCATION FOR THE SHED APPROXIMATELY TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO.

I'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH AND ON THE WEBSITES OF BUFORD SCHOOLS, DOT NET AND CENSUS REPORTER.ORG OF THE 192,000 BUFORD COUNTY RESIDENTS, 22,000 CHILDREN ATTEND PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

WE HAVE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT PIPPA BALL COULD BE AN, A BEAUTIFUL MARRIAGE BETWEEN THE OLDER CITIZENS AND THE SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN.

AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ALSO MOVE FORWARD.

WHEN THE PANDEMIC BEGAN, I SAW CHILDREN IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD RATHER LOST FOR OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES.

SO I ACTUALLY TAKE OFF THE PICKLEBALL COURT AND THE PARKING LOT OF OUR POOL AND STARTED GIVING BASIC LESSONS.

THE ONLY QUESTION THE CHILDREN ASKED ME WHEN WE FINISHED EACH TIME WAS, HOW SOON CAN WE PLAY AGAIN? SO I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD ALSO KEEP IN MIND, THIS COULD BE AN ACTIVITY THAT SENIORS AND YOUNG PEOPLE SHARE.

UM, THERE WILL BE WAYS FOR BUFORD TO CAPITALIZE AND MONETIZE ON THIS FASTEST GROWING SPORT.

UH, BUT THE ACTION NEEDS TO COME SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, BEFORE THESE CORE GROUPS LOSE THEIR PLACES TO THEIR ONE PLACE TO PLAY.

AND IT'S A SPORT THAT WE KNOW MAKES OUR LIVES BETTER.

AND WE FEEL LIKE COULD MAKE THE COMMUNITY A BETTER PLACE.

PLEASE FIND A PLACE FOR US IN YOUR PLAN.

AND SOME BUDGETED FUNDS, WE WILL HELP YOU GROW THE SPORT AND WE WILL HELP IT TOO, SO THAT IT BENEFITS BOTH YOUTH AND BUSINESSES.

THANKS FOR YOUR TIME MUCH.

AND, UH, ONE MORE, UH, YES.

I'M THE USA AND PICKLE BALL.

SECOND BASADUR FOR SOUTH.

I HAVE BEEN DOWN HERE FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS PRIOR TO THAT I WAS IN MINNESOTA, BUT GOING BACK TO WHAT JEFF BACK SAID, I GET PEOPLE CONSTANTLY CALLING ME OR TEXTING ME, THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN THE AREA.

AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO FIND SOMEPLACE TO PLAY PICKLEBALL.

WE HAVE NO PUBLIC PLACES REALLY TO PLAY PICKUP BALL IN THIS AREA ON PALMETTO DUNES ON THE ISLAND, BUT OTHERWISE THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING.

AND THAT'S, IT'S REALLY SAD BECAUSE MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO VACATION TO POTENTIALLY SNOWBIRD AND EVENTUALLY BUY DOWN HERE.

SO I THINK THE SOONER WE CAN GET PUBLIC COURTS, UH, IN A PICKLEBALL COMPLEX, YOU KNOW, PICK A, BALL'S NOT THE SPORT LIKE TENNIS, WHERE YOU CALL THREE FRIENDS AND YOU GO PLAY AT 10, O'CLOCK PICK A BALL AS A SPORT WHERE YOU JUST SHOW UP.

AND, UH, IT'S A REAL FUN, FUN SPORT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S A SOCIAL SPORT.

AND, UM, TO PUT JUST TWO COURTS OR ONE COURT ON A TENNIS COURT WOULD BE A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY.

INSTEAD OF PUTTING A SIX OR EIGHT COURT FACILITY, YOU'RE GOING TO GET 40, 50 PEOPLE EVERY DAY, AT LEAST HOUR BY HOUR AT A PLACE WITH SIX OR EIGHT COURTS.

AND WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT TAKING CARE OF THE RESIDENTS IN YOUR AREA, YOU'RE GOING TO FILL A, A LOT MORE WITH PICKLEBALL THAN YOU WILL WITH TENNIS.

SO, UH, I APPRECIATE YOUR ALL YOU'RE DOING, AND I HOPE WE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION TO, UH, PUT THE SIX OR EIGHT COURTS DOWN AT SHELL POINT.

I THINK IT'D BE A REAL BENEFIT TO THE AREA AND IT DEFINITELY BE A BENEFIT TO THE PICKLEBALL PEOPLE AND TO THE TENNIS PEOPLE, BECAUSE THEY COULD GET THEIR SOUTH SIDE PARK STRICTLY FOR TENNIS AT THAT TIME.

TERM AND A SHORT, SHORT TERM NEAR TERM, UH, ACTIVITY.

GOOD.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WELL, LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR MAIN AGENDA THEN ITEM NUMBER SIX, AS I SAID, IT HAS TO DO WITH SOUTH CAROLINA ONE 70 AND THE SECTION BETWEEN TWO 78 AND FOUR 62.

AND THOSE OF YOU WHO DRIVE THAT ARE PROBABLY WHERE IT'S BEEN FAILING FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME, UM, PARTICULARLY THE INTERSECTION WHERE THE LIGHT IS ON THE, UH, THE NORTH SIDE.

UM, LAST DID A STUDY, UH, AND IT WAS I THINK, AROUND 75 MILLION AND IT WAS BROKEN INTO ACTUALLY A LONG-TERM A MEDIUM

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THIS WAS CALLED TO OUR ATTENTION BY, UH, GREG GORDON, WHO DOES A GREAT JOB LEADING THE SCTC, UH, ON THE NEAR-TERM PIECE.

IT WAS ABOUT 3 MILLION BUCKS FOR PROJECTS.

AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS, THE D OF T IS, HAS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THIS.

ACTUALLY THE SIGNAL AT, UH, FOUR 62 WAS DONE FOR LESS THAN WAS ANTICIPATED.

SO WE STILL HAVE THOSE THREE PROJECTS AND GIVEN THAT IT'S FAILING AND IT IS REALLY SO MUCH CONSTRUCTION ON THERE.

IT PROBABLY MAKES SENSE FOR US TO GET ON AND DO IT IN, IN OUR CONVERSATIONS LEADING UP TO THIS, WE THOUGHT IT MADE SENSE TO GET ON WITH THE DESIGN AND PERMITTING WHILE WE SORT OUT THE, UH, UM, ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION.

AND OUR HOPE IS THAT BOTH THE STD OT OF HARLEYSVILLE AND JASPER COUNTY WILL JOIN US IN, UH, IN, IN GETTING THAT DONE BECAUSE WE ALL BENEFIT FROM IT.

UH, JARED, LET ME TURN TO YOU.

AND IF YOU COULD TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, WHAT YOU PROCEEDED PERCEIVE IS THAT THE DESIGN PERMITTING CONSTRUCTION, HOW YOU'D LIKE TO DO THIS.

SURE.

SO, UH, AS MENTIONED THIS, THE OVERALL, UH, THESE SHORT-TERM IMPROVEMENTS CAME FROM A OVERALL, UH, STUDY PERFORMED BY AAT FOR OUR LAST COMMITTEE.

UM, AND IN THAT STUDY, THAT'S WHERE THESE NEAR TERM MIDTERM AND LONGTERM PROJECTS CAME OUT.

UM, SO TO FACILITATE THESE SHORT-TERM PROJECTS, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT'S ALREADY, UM, REFLECTED ON OUR CURRENT IMPACT FEE.

SO I THINK WE HAVE FUN AND AVAILABLE TO FACILITATE, OR I KNOW WE HAVE FUNDING AVAILABLE TO FACILITATE THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF THESE SHORT-TERM IMPROVEMENTS.

UM, IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT AND SEE IF IT WOULD FIT WITHIN OUR, UM, SMALL A AND E OR IF WE HAVE OTHER PROJECTS OTHER MEANS AND FACILITIES TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, IF NOT, WE NEED TO GO OUT TO RFQ, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING, UH, WE CAN TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT INTERNALLY.

STAFF CAN TO DETERMINE THE BEST APPROPRIATE METHOD TO GET THE DESIGN UNDERWAY.

SO LET ME OPEN UP FOR DISCUSSION I HAVEN'T DONE, OR IF THERE'S A MOTION TO PROCEED WITH THE DESIGN PORTION OF THIS, BRIAN.

THANK YOU, STU.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOUTH CAROLINA HIGHWAY ONE 70.

UM, AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS A PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED BY LATS.

I'M WONDERING IF LATS HAS ANY FUNDING AS OPPOSED TO, UM, THE, UM, THE IMPACT FEE, UH, FUND, WHICH IS REALLY SUPPOSED TO, I BELIEVE BE BEFORE OTHER ROADS THAN SOUTH CAROLINA ROADS.

I MEAN, WE, I KNOW WE HAVE AUTHORITY TO USE IT ON SOUTH CAROLINA ROADS, BUT I'M WONDERING ISN'T THAT REALLY FOUR COUNTY ROADS.

JARED, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? YEAH, SURE.

SO THE IMPACT FEES ARE FOR SYSTEM CAPACITY AND SAFETY PROJECTS, WHETHER IT'S ON A STATE ROAD, UH, OR A COUNTY ROAD.

UM, SO IT DOESN'T, AS LONG AS IT'S OWN WOULD BE PRESCRIBED, UM, CAPITAL PROJECT LIST WHEN THE IMPACT FEES WERE DESCRIBED OR IMPLEMENTED.

AND THAT'S THE CRITERIA THERE AS FAR AS SPENDING FROM LADS, UH, THEY HAD OBLIGATED ALL OF THEIR FUNDING UNTIL FISCAL YEAR 22, UM, GOING INTO 23 FOR NEW 17 PROJECT SPEEDWAY BOULEVARD.

UM, SO THEY BASICALLY DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY IN THE COFFER UNTIL A YEAR FROM TODAY.

UM, SO TO MOVE FORWARD ON IT IN AN EXPEDITIOUS MANNER, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY.

AND THEN FROM THERE, UM, THEY WOULD HAVE GUIDES HERE, FUNDS AVAILABLE THAT THEY COULD PUT TOWARDS MID-TERM AND LONG-TERM PROJECTS.

WHAT YEAR IS THAT? IT GOES THROUGH 20, 22.

SO AFTER 2022, THEY WOULD HAVE FUNDS STARTING TO, UM, COME BACK TO THEM.

THEY OPERATED FUNDS THROUGH 2022, SO 2023, WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE NEW FUNDING.

AND STATE HIGHWAYS AND STATE IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE.

OTHER COMMENTS, IF NOT, AM I LOOK FOR A MOTION TO, UH, ESSENTIALLY PROCEED WITH THE DESIGN PERMITTING OF THESE ONE 70 IMPROVEMENTS BETWEEN TWO 78 AND FOUR 62 ON AN EXPEDITED, EXPEDITED BASIS, NOT TO EXCEED $300,000, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

THIS IS MARK SECOND.

I WILL SECOND IT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

WELL, JUST THAT I INTEND TO VOTE AGAINST THIS.

I THINK THAT THIS IS A STATE OBLIGATION.

WE NEED TO HOLD OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES ACCOUNTABLE FOR STATE

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YEAH, I WOULDN'T DISAGREE WITH YOU BRIAN, IN THE SENSE, BUT IT DOES SEEM LIKE THAT MAY TAKE SOME TIME.

AND IF WE STEP OUT ON THE DESIGN PIECE, WE COULD STILL ENGAGE THEM ON THE CONSTRUCTION PIECE.

I, I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT SINCE IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO DO A BACK AND FORTH HERE, STU A CALL AND RESPONSE KIND OF THING.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GET A JUMP ON.

AND, BUT UNFORTUNATELY I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN INTO A HABIT OF DOING THAT, SO THAT QUITE FRANKLY, THERE IS NO PRESSURE ON THE STATE TO HANDLE ANY KIND OF IMPROVEMENTS IN BEAVER COUNTY BECAUSE THEY KNOW WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT.

AND SO I'M JUST GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THIS AND ASK EVERYBODY TO CALL THEIR REPRESENTATIVES AND TELL THEM WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

OTHER COMMENTS, MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE YOU GO, UM, UM, I'M IN LINE WITH BRIAN AT THIS TIME.

UM, BUT, UH, BUT I'M WONDERING WHETHER BY GOING FORWARD, UH, IN NOT GETTING SUPPORT FROM OTHER COUNTIES, UM, IN THIS EFFORT, UH, JASPER, UM, AS WELL AS HAMPTON, I THINK THIS HAS BEEN ON THEIR LATS, UM, STUDY FOR SOME TIME AND THEY HAVE BEEN DOING SOME SURVEY AND GETTING INPUTS, UM, AND THEY HAVE ACTUALLY DONE A GREAT JOB BY PUTTING A LIGHT THERE.

UM, AT FOUR 60, I THINK THERE'S FOUR 62 AND IN ONE 70, UH, I'M JUST WONDERING WHETHER, UM, IF WE MOVE FORWARD, UM, NOBODY ELSE WOULD PROBABLY EVEN CONSIDER PARTICIPATING IN THIS ENDEAVOR.

SO, UM, I'M SORT OF LEANING WITH BRIAN IS AT THIS TIME.

YEAH, WE, WE DO HAVE ANY INDICATION FROM JASPER COUNTY THAT THEY WILL PARTICIPATE DOLLAR AMOUNTS AND PAYMENTS.

OTHER COMMENTS, UH, THE, UH, LAST NPO GROUP, AS JARED MENTIONED HIS COM WE COMMITTED OUR MONEY OUT THREE, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO TO THE, UH, TO THE WIDENING OF, UH, HIGHWAY 17, ONE INTO THE BACKWATER END OF THE SAVANNAH BRIDGE.

UM, AND SO, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT WAS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED BECAUSE OF THE RECLASSIFICATION OF OUR AREA.

WE, WE NO LONGER MEET THE CRITERIA FOR MPO.

I DON'T THINK JARED MAY DISAGREE WITH THAT AND I HOPE YOU DO.

BUT ANYWAY, WE WORKED IN, WE ARE GETTING SOME MONEY FROM SOME FEDERAL MONEY AND SOME STATE MONEY THROUGH THE MPO IS JUST THAT IT'S COMMITTED.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF JASPER IS WILLING TO PARTICIPATE.

I THINK IT'S PROBABLY THE BEST WE CAN DO FOR NOW.

AND NOT TO ARGUE THE CASE, BUT ALSO, I THINK WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE GIVE SOME PROJECTS, THE DESIGN, PERHAPS WE CAN INTERCEPT SOME EXTRA FUNDS BECAUSE I THINK THE FEDERAL INFRASTRUCTURE BILL IS PROBABLY GOING TO GO THROUGH IN SOME FORM.

SO, OKAY.

NOW WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL.

UM, I CAN'T SEE EVERYBODY JOKING.

YOU SEE EVERYBODY? YES, I CAN.

WHEN YOU TAKE THE VOTE FOR ME.

UM, THE MOTION WAS MADE BY MR. LAWSON.

SO HE WILL GO FIRST MARK LAWSON.

UH, I WAS THE SECOND AND I WILL SAY YES, MR. ABOUT NO, MR. DAWSON.

NOW MR. HERB IS SEAN.

YOU'RE STILL ON MUTE.

MR. HARVEY.

SEAN WE'LL COME BACK.

YES, THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES I SEE ON SCREEN RIGHT NOW BESIDES YOURSELF.

UH, MR. HERVIS.

SEAN, CAN YOU HEAR US? OKAY.

SO IT SOUNDS LIKE A FIVE, THREE, AND WE'LL MOVE THIS FORWARD TO COUNCIL FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION.

ITEM HAS TO DO WITH TWO 78.

UM, THE NEXT

[7. CONSIDERATION OF AUTHORIZED TO PROCEED WITH CONCEPTUAL IMPROVEMENTS (POST TOLL REMOVAL AND PRE-278 CORRIDOR CONSTRUCTION) ON AN EXPEDITED BASIS TO RELIEVE CONGESTION AND IMPROVE SAFETY, NOT TO EXCEED $100,000.00]

AND AGAIN, IF WE CAN PUT THAT SLIDE UP ON THE SCREEN, UH, IS, HAS TO DO WITH THE SO-CALLED STONEY SECTION FROM SQUIRE, PROPER ROAD DOWN THROUGH, UH, GUMTREE.

AND, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE THE, UH,

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CORRIDOR PROJECT IS, UM, IT APPEARED FROM BEST INFORMATION WE'RE GETTING IS THE CONSTRUCTION MAY BE, YOU KNOW, THREE TO FIVE YEARS OUT.

UM, AND IN TALKING WITH STAFF AND A COUPLE OF US, IT DOES APPEAR THAT IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE TO MAKE AN EVALUATION, UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR SESSION RELATIVE TO THE SECTION RELATIVE TO THE SHORT TERM.

UM, AND IT'S FAILING FOR TWO REASONS.

UH, ONE IS, UH, WELL TO ADDRESS THE FAILING, PERHAPS WE COULD COME UP WITH A WAY TO REDUCE WHAT THEY CALL THE, THE POINTS OF CONFLICT AND ALSO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF SIGNAL PHASES, BOTH OF WHICH WERE RECOMMENDED IN THE, UH, INDEPENDENT REVIEW, UM, THAT IS UNDERWAY.

AND THERE WERE A THREE AND A HALF, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS.

ALSO, WE KNOW THAT TOLL IS COMING OFF THIS SUMMER THAT WILL SHIFT SOME MOVE VOLUMES AROUND BETWEEN VARIOUS ROADS.

AND, UH, UH, THE OTHER PIECE TO BE CONSIDERED IS THE TOWN IN THEIR ANNUAL, UH, ROADS REPORT, UH, HAS SUGGESTED THAT SOME PARALLEL SERVICE ROADS REALLY A LITTLE BEYOND THE CORRIDOR, BUT ON EITHER SIDE MIGHT PROVE TO BE VERY USEFUL.

ALSO, YOU MAY REMEMBER WE HAD COUNCIL APPROVED A LAND PLANNING EXERCISE TO SPLIT IT 50 50 WITH THE TOWN.

UM, BUT TH THEY ACTUALLY ARE PROCEEDING ON THEIR, ON THEIR OWN IN TERMS OF PAYING FOR IT.

THEY WENT THROUGH AN RFP PROCESS OR A FEW PROCESS.

I GOT SEVERAL GOOD RESPONSES AND THE, UH, THAT TEAM WAS LAUNCHED A WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AGO.

UH, AND SO DOING THIS ROAD, THESE IN PARALLEL WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING MAY HAVE A ONE PLUS ONE MAKES THAT THREE TYPE OF SITUATION.

SO, UH, JARED, IF YOU WOULD, MAYBE YOU COULD, UH, EXPAND ON THIS A LITTLE BIT AND PUT YOUR INSIGHT ON IT.

SURE.

I THINK THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE LAST ACTION ITEM IN REGARDS TO ONE 70, UM, THAT WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE REFERENCING HERE IS KIND OF A SHORT TERM SOLUTIONS.

UM, THEY MAY PLAY INTO THE LONGER TERM SOLUTION, BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD THE SAME STUDY THAT WE HAD ON ONE 70 WITH THE SHORT TERM NEAR TERM AND LONG TERM BEAUTIES, BASICALLY LOOKING AT THE LONG-TERM SOLUTION ALL IN ONE.

SO I THINK THIS IS, UM, IS KIND OF LOOKING AT A SHORT TERM SOLUTION AND IDENTIFYING THAT.

AND, AND IF SO, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO EXECUTE THAT, TO GAIN SOME RELIEF AHEAD OF WHAT WILL BE THE ULTIMATE LONG-TERM SOLUTION AND AVAILABLE FUNDING? THIS WOULDN'T BE YES.

THERE'S FUNDING THROUGH THE GEO LINE THAT WE HAVE, UM, WHICH IS THE SAME FUNDING THAT'S BEING USED FOR THE INDEPENDENT.

SO LET ME, LET ME OPEN THIS UP FOR QUESTIONS, A DISCUSSION AS TO WHETHER THIS MAKES SOME SENSE TO YOU.

UM, THANK YOU.

UH, YOU KNOW, I'VE NOTICED SOMETHING WITH THIS ONE AND, AND THE LAST ONES TOO.

UM, THEY DON'T APPEAR TO BE, UM, SOMETHING THAT BUBBLED UP FROM STAFF.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, IT'S IN YOUR TYPICAL, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE WAY YOU WRITE THINGS, UM, THE WAY YOU, YOU PRESENT STUFF IN YOUR SHORT FORM, UM, IS THIS A STAFF RECOMMENDATION OR IS IT JUST A STEW RODMAN RECOMMENDATION? WELL, I THINK THE FIRST ONE ON THE ONE 70, THAT, THAT ONE REALLY CAME UP BECAUSE, UH, THERE WAS, UH, SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BIG DEVELOPMENT PERMITTING COMING OUT OF, UH, PEPPER HALL.

SO, UH, GREG, UH, CRAIG GORDON ACTUALLY CALLED AND HIGHLIGHTED THE FACT THAT THIS LAST STUDY HAD TAKEN PLACE, THAT THERE WAS COME UP WITH THE NEAR AND LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS.

THEY HAD DONE THE FIRST PHASE.

SO THAT ACTUALLY WAS GREG GORDON STEPPING FORWARD TO DO THIS ONE.

UM, THE SECOND ONE I CAME OUT OF, UH, CAME OUT OF A DISCUSSION.

I FORGET WHO WAS IN, RIGHT.

JOE WAS IN IT.

I THINK ERIC WAS IN IT.

AND SO WE WERE ALL PUTTING OUR HEADS TOGETHER AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THIS ONE CAME FROM.

SO IT'S NOT A STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

WHY I ASSUME IT'S KIND OF A STAFF RECOMMENDATION COULD SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES, BUT YEAH, THERE, THEY AGREE THAT THIS MAKES SENSE TO DO.

WE AGREE THAT IT MAKES SENSE TO DO, BUT WE MAY NOT AGREE WITH THE TIMING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT, ERIC, UM, WITH THIS ONE AND THE LAST ONE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT MIGHT NOT BE OUT OF THE BALLPARK, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S THE TIME TO DO THIS KIND

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OF THING.

AND, UM, SO AGAIN, I'M A NO ON THIS ONE AS WELL.

I HATE BEING A NEGATIVE NANCY THERE, STU I REALLY, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE CAN DO THAT ARE APPROPRIATE, BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS ONE OF THEM.

WELL, NO, NO, NO.

FIRST WE'LL PROMISE FOR SURE.

RIGHT.

EXACTLY.

OTHER COMMENTS? YEAH, GO AHEAD.

I, UH, I JUST WORRY ABOUT MAKING, MOVING THIS FORWARD WITH THAT A SPECIFIC LIST OF PROJECTS, WHICH I THINK THERE ARE GOING TO BE DEVELOPED IN THE, OVER THE, OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, BUT, BUT JUST TO START TALKING ABOUT IT, ABOUT WHAT AMOUNTS TO A, AN ADDITIONAL PETTY SALES TAX WITHOUT A SPECIFIC LIST TO TALK ABOUT, I THINK THAT'S A MISTAKE.

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PENNY SALES TAX.

THIS IS BASICALLY A SMALL CONSULTING STUDY TO LOOK AT THE STONY AREA, YOU KNOW, W WHAT WE DO IN THE SHORT TERM.

OH, SORRY.

I THOUGHT YOU WERE ON THE, A NUMBER ONE ITEM.

ALL RIGHT.

AND I THOUGHT, I BE THE CASE TOO STRONGLY, BUT WE KNOW THAT THAT'S THE MOST FAILING SECTION OF TRAFFIC IN BUFORD COUNTY.

UM, SOME YEARS BACK, I TOOK A LOOK AT IT.

AND IF YOU WERE TO DOLLARIZE THE PEOPLE WAITING, UM, AT THE GET ONTO THE ISLAND IN THE MORNING, COMMUTE WORKS OUT AT ABOUT A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS OF LOST TIME.

UM, SO, UM, AND THIS IS BASICALLY PICKING UP ON THE TOWN'S RECOMMENDATION TO, UH, LOOK AT THE, UH, UH, PARALLEL ACCESS ROADS, BUT SO, OKAY.

OTHER COMMENTS, UM, QUICKLY, UM, LET'S DO, I GUESS WHEN I LOOK AT, UM, WHEN, WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THE PINCKNEY, UM, ALLEN, AND, UM, I THINK IT'S CALLED THE PINCKNEY ISLAND, UM, UM, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE THERE, CHECKING HOURS.

SO I'M THINKING, AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, DOING THAT PROJECT, BUT I'M KIND OF NERVOUS ABOUT THE COST AND WHETHER DLT WAS GONNA, UM, VALIDATE WHATEVER EFFORT WE MADE AND IF NOT, IT WOULD BE MONEY WASTED.

AND, UH, I'M WONDERING WHETHER WE, BY MOVING FORWARD WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS YEAR, IT MIGHT BE MONEY WASTED.

UM, UM, I THINK ERIC TALKED ABOUT TIMING AND I THINK TIMING IS EVERYTHING.

UM, UH, WHEN, WHEN WE LOOK AT, UM, IMPROVING THAT WHOLE ENTIRE CORRIDOR, SO I WOULD HATE TO WASTE MONEY.

UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE DILEMMA I HAD WITH THE JENKIN ISLAND WAS ACTUALLY THE FUNDING AND WASTING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN A PROJECT THAT MAY BE TORN UP IN A COUPLE OF YEARS.

AND I'M JUST WONDERING WHETHER MOVING FORWARD NOW WOULD BE THE SAME THING.

THE HISTORY ON THAT YORK WAS YOU REMEMBER, THE, UH, THE DESIGN CAME IN, WE HAD TO BORROW 7 MILLION TO DO IT.

THE DESIGN CAME IN AT 10 MILLION.

UM, THE CORONER PROJECT KIND OF OVERTOOK IT.

UH, WE HIRED JENNIFER BRAG TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT FOR US.

AND, UH, SHE CAME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO SPEND ABOUT 2 MILLION TO ACHIEVE THE SAME SHORT TERM RESOURCE RESULTS.

UH, AND THAT'S BASICALLY WAS THE STONEY PORTION OF IT BY FIXING THAT INTERSECTION THAT, UH, IT'S A SQUARE.

UM, AND SO WE ELECTED NOT TO GO AHEAD WITH THAT, AND I BELIEVE THOSE ARE SOME OF THE FUNDS THAT, UH, ERIC WOULD, UH, DRAW ON.

UH, I THINK WE'RE ALL SENSITIVE TO NOT WANTING TO THROW, THROW AWAY MONEY, AS FOR SURE.

ON THE OTHER HAND, WE, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF YEARS BEFORE WE, UH, ARE GONNA SEE THE POURING OF CONCRETE FOR THE, UH, FOR THE QUARTER OTHER THOUGHTS.

UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF THERE IS ONE TO, UH, PROCEED WITH THE STUDY, UH, POST TOLL AND PRE TWO 78 QUARTER, UH, TO STUDY WHETHER WE CAN IMPROVE SAFETY OF, UH, RELIEVE CONGESTION IN THAT, UH, IN THAT SECTION OF ROAD, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.

THIS IS MARK FOR A SECOND.

SEEING A SECOND, THAT DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND.

FOLLOW UP ON REAL QUICK, SOMETHING ABOUT SPLITTING THE FUNDING FOR SOME OTHER THING, WITH THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD THAT THEY SEEM TO BE PROGRESSING ON THEIR OWN.

UM, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE, UH, STU BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING IN PASSING THAT I WANNA, I WANT TO

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UM, YOU KNOW, I, I, I THINK WE SHOULD PAY OUR OBLIGATION TO THE TOWN OF ELTON THAT IF THEY'VE, IF THEY ANTICIPATE US, UM, COMING THROUGH WITH HALF OF THE MONEY FOR THAT, THAT FUNDING FOR, I'M NOT SURE WHICH STUDY IT IS THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP OUR OBLIGATION TO THEM.

THAT IS ESSENTIALLY WE HAD SAID WE WOULD GO 50 50 WITH THEM.

AND TH THIS WAS TO REALLY GET SOME PEOPLE THAT HAVE EXPERTISE IN LAND PLANNING IN ORDER TO LOOK AT WHAT THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY ARE.

AND SOME OF THIS WOULD EXTEND BEYOND THE, THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CORRIDOR BECAUSE THE TOWN DOES OWN A LOT OF LAND IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.

UM, AND, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, WE'D GET OFFERED BEHALF, UH, BUT, UH, TH THEY'RE BASICALLY FUNDING THAT I OBVIOUSLY, THEY ASKED US.

WE CERTAINLY, UH, I THINK TO YOUR POINT, CONTRIBUTE TO THAT.

UM, BUT IT IT'S HEAVILY FOR THEIR BENEFIT TO OTHERWISE.

FINALLY, WE BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT IF I MAY.

UM, WE, OUR ORIGINAL COMMITMENT WAS, AND JARED, FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN HERE BECAUSE YOU'RE A LITTLE FAMILIAR WITH THE TIMELINE AND WHAT'S HAPPENED SINCE THEN.

OUR ADDITIONAL AGREEMENT WAS, IS THAT WE WOULD, UH, DO A 50 50 SPLIT WITH THEM ON LAND PLANNING, EXERCISE.

THE TOWN OF HILTON HAD CAME BACK AND SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO THAT LAND PLANNING EXERCISE, UH, IN THE HOUSE USING THEIR EXISTING PLANNING FOLKS.

AND UNLESS JARED HAS RECEIVED AN UPDATE, I DON'T KNOW THAT STAFF ARE, I CERTAINLY HAVE NOT, UH, HAD ANY ADDITIONAL COMMUNICATION WITH TALENT HILTON HEAD ISLAND ABOUT US RE UPPING OUR 50% COMMITMENT TO HIRE SOMEONE.

UH, UM, SO IT'S, IN-HOUSE, AND THERE'S NO EXPENDITURE OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN OF HILL.

IT WASN'T A HOUSE IN JARED MY HOUSE, SOME ADDITIONAL UPDATE ON IT.

SO WHAT THEY PROPOSED WAS A, THIS CAME UP KIND OF THE SAME TIME AS THE INDEPENDENT STUDY AND THEY'RE HALF ON THE INDEPENDENT STUDY.

AND THEN THE LAND PLANNING, THEY SAID, WE'LL DO IT WITH ALSAC AFFIRM.

AND I WANT TO SAY THE NUMBER, I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME WAS $70,000.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE EXPECT.

AND WE'LL HAVE AN OUTSIDE FIRM DO IT AND SPLIT 50 50.

THEN AT A LATER DATE, THEY SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.

IN-HOUSE WITH OUR IN-HOUSE STAFF.

UM, AND WE NEVER HAD ANY FURTHER CORRESPONDENCE ABOUT NOT BEING IN-HOUSE, BUT THE, IT WAS SPECIFICALLY THAT WE WERE PAYING AN OUT OF HOUSE CONSULTANT PREVIOUSLY.

NOW THEY'VE FLIPPED THEIR SCRIPT TO GO BACK AND THEY HAVE GONE WITH RFQ AND SELECTED IN AND OUT OF STAFF CONSULTANT.

UM, SO WE HAVEN'T CHANGED ANY AGREEMENTS.

SO IN ESSENCE, IF, UH, THEY'RE BACK TO WHERE THEY WERE INITIALLY WOULD BE MY PERSPECTIVE.

SO IF THEY ASK FOR COMPENSATION IS STILL FEELS THE GUIDELINE OR THE AGREEMENT THAT WE ARE AGREED TO INITIALLY, THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL.

GOOD POINT, BRIAN.

WE ARE, WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD JUST SPEND THAT MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE.

I THINK THAT'S WHY I'M OPPOSED TO THIS.

NOW, JUST BEFORE WE LEAVE THIS, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT HILTON HEADS HAS PRODUCED A DESIGN FOR EITHER THE NORTH OR SOUTHBOUND SIDE IN THE STONY AREA TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC.

AND THAT THIS STUDY WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT, UH, PURSUING THE OTHER SIDE, WHETHER IT WAS NORTH OR SOUTH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A DRAWING HERE.

CAN EXPLAIN THAT JOKE IF WE CAN GET THAT BACK UP.

THE DRAWING IS COMING UP, IF I MIGHT, UH, SPEAK TO MR. SOMERVILLE'S POINT, UM, OUR PLAN, AND AGAIN, JARED HELPED ME OUT HERE.

OH, I WE'RE BRINGING THAT UP.

OH, DID MY TERM JUST A QUICK COMMENT.

I, NOW THAT I'VE FIGURED OUT WHICH ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, THERE ARE SO MANY COOKS IN THE KITCHEN HERE.

I MEAN, YOU GOT THE DLT, YOU'VE GOT THE HILTON HEAD, YOU GOT THESE PRIVATE GROUPS AND THERE'S SO MANY COOKS IN THE KITCHEN THAT I'D BE RELUCTANT TO GO CHARGING OFF, SPENDING MONEY ON ANYTHING TILL I SEE WHAT, WHAT THE COLLECTIVE DECISIONS START LOOKING, BECAUSE, UH, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE THAT ALL OF THESE FOLKS WERE IN AGREEMENT ON A LOT OF THINGS RIGHT NOW.

AND SO IF WE START GOING OFF IN A DIRECTION THAT DOESN'T IS INCONSISTENT WITH SOME OF THE OTHER FOLKS, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A MISTAKE.

SO I'D LIKE TO WAIT BEFORE WE START COMMITTING, UH, FOR THE TWO 78 PROJECT, UH, IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE MAY HAVE ALREADY COMMITTED, UH, UNTIL, UH, WE STARTED GETTING SOME ANSWERS, PARTICULARLY FROM THE DOD, WHEN THEY COME, COME FORWARD TO IT, THEIR BEST ALTERNATIVE AND SEE HOW THAT PLAYS WELL WHILE

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IF I MISS SOME DETAILS, OUR PLAN WAS TO BRING THE INDEPENDENT WORK OF THE INDEPENDENT REVIEW COMMITTEE, TO YOU ALL AND HAVE A PRESENTATION WE WOULD WANT YOU RECOMMEND.

ONCE YOU HEAR THAT PRESENTATION, WE, AS A STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND TO YOU AS A COUNCIL OR COMMITTEE THAT YOU REQUEST THAT DDOT EVALUATE THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE INDEPENDENT REVIEW COMMITTEE, D O T HAS COMMITTED TO US THAT THEY COULD DO THAT WITHIN A COUPLE OF WEEKS.

AND THEN THEY WOULD PROVIDE A RESPONSE.

WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT RESPONSE PROVIDED IN A JOINT WORKSHOP BY DDOT WITH THE COUNTY COUNCIL AND THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND COUNCILS, SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN HEAR FROM DDOT ABOUT WHAT THEY'VE DONE, WHAT THEY'VE EVALUATED ON THE INDEPENDENT REVIEW COMMITTEE AND WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE COMING OUT OF THEIR PREVIOUS WORK AND THE WORK OF THE INDEPENDENT REVIEW COMMITTEE.

ONCE WE HAVE THAT DONE WITH THE OT, THEN WE CAN KIND OF MASSAGE THINGS AND STILL GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, HOPEFULLY WOULD DOTC SOMETIMES IN AUGUST, UH, NO LATER THAN AUGUST.

HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE SOONER THAN THAT, BUT NO LATER THAN AUGUST, THERE ARE A LOT OF MOVING PARTS TO THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION.

UM, BUT THE TIMING AND THE SEQUENCING OF A BIG ROAD PROJECT, LIKE THIS IS VERY CRITICAL TO THINGS BEING DONE, UH, DONE EFFECTIVELY AND EFFICIENTLY AS IT CAN POSSIBLY BE DONE AT A GOVERNMENT LEVEL.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP, UM, THAT TIMELINE AND THAT PROCESS AS, UM, FORMALIZED AS POSSIBLE.

SO INDEPENDENT REVIEW COMMITTEE PRESENTATION TO YOU ALL ASKED YOU ALL TO RECOMMEND TO DOD THAT THEY EVALUATE THE RECOMMENDATIONS, THE INDEPENDENT REVIEW COMMITTEE.

WE DO A JOINT WORKSHOP WITH YOU ALL IN A TOWN OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND.

AND THEN FROM THAT POINT, WE GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, THAT'S HOSTED BY THE OT.

SO THAT IS OUR TIMEFRAME, ANY ADDITIONAL WORK OR ANY ADDITIONAL MONEY TO DO STUDIES, UM, AT THIS POINT WOULD PROBABLY BE, UM, PREMATURE.

UH, WE CAN MAKE THOSE DECISIONS LATER ON THE TIME AND THE PROCESS BEFORE ANYTHING HAPPENS.

BUT, UM, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE GAME PLAN THAT AT LEAST JARED AND I HAVE LAID OUT WITH D O T A AND HDR FOR MOVING THIS FORWARD.

SO, JARED, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ELABORATE ON? NO, THAT WAS RIGHT ON, INSTEAD OF ARE WE PLAN TO FINALIZE THE COMMITTEE PLANS TO FINALIZE THE INDEPENDENT STUDY THIS WEEK REPORT, THEN THEY, AND HDR MAY PRESENTATION THAT COUNCIL NEXT MONDAY ON THE 26.

THAT'S OUR GOAL, AS OF RIGHT NOW, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE TOWN WAS TALKING ABOUT.

DO YOU HAVE A SCHEMATIC UP THERE AND THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND TAKING A LOOK AT THIS WAS THAT IT'S LOOKING BEYOND THE ALIGNMENT THAT THE OT IS LOOKING AT.

UM, AND THE GRAY IS THAT BASICALLY TWO 78 THROUGH THE STONY AREA.

AND THE THOUGHT WAS THE FOUNTAIN WAS SUGGESTING THAT YOU HAVE A PERIL, WELL ACCESS ROAD NORTH AND SOUTH.

AND THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE OT IS CONSIDERING IT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

UM, AND, UH, AND THEN THE BLUE IS KIND OF INTERESTING BECAUSE WHAT YOU HAVE IS A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE COMING ON TWO 78, THAT, THAT GREW UP TOWARD HILTON HEAD PLANTATION OR THE WATERFRONT ALONG OUR ROAD.

SO THE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS NOT TO INTERFERE WITH ANYTHING THAT T IS DOING BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING OUT MULTIPLE YEARS, BUT IF THE THOUGHT PROCESS IS WHAT CAN WE DO IN THE SHORT TERM TO RELIEVE WHAT IS THE SINGLE BIGGEST BOTTLENECK THAT WE HAVE IN, UH, IN THE COUNTY? SO IN ANY EVENT, UM, I THINK IT'S TIME TO TIME TO MOVE ON.

UM, OKAY.

UH, THE NEXT TIME, THE NEXT PIECE IS, IS ITEM EIGHT.

AND IT'S THE START A DISCUSSION ON WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO DO A, THAT LET'S DO BEFORE, STILL, BEFORE YOU MOVE FULLY, MOVE ON.

LET ME MAKE A COMMENT.

I UNDERSTAND THE PRESS FOR TIME.

I'M JUST LOOKING AT THAT SCHEMATIC DESIGN YOU JUST SHOWED, UM, THAT THOSE CONNECTIONS, UH, THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH CONNECTION PARALLEL LINES WOULD WIPE OUT THE STONY COMMUNITY COMPLETELY.

UM, I DON'T, I CAN'T SUPPORT, I CAN'T EVEN SUPPORT THAT CONCEPT, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT COMMENT THAT, UM,

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THOSE TWO PARALLEL, WHICH IS CALLED GOVERNOR LANE AND GET YOU LANE WILL WIPE OUT THE WHOLE ENTIRE STONY COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL AREA.

UM, FOR SURE.

ON TO THE, UH, PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION ON THE TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX REFERENDUM.

UH, ACTUALLY, YEAH, I THINK THE OPPOSITE WOULD HAPPEN THAT YOU WOULD CREATE VALUE FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE STONEY COMMUNITY, BECAUSE INSTEAD OF INTERFACING ON A HIGHWAY THAT HAS MORE TRAFFIC THAN I, 95, THEY COULD GET TO, AND FROM THEIR PROPERTY, UH, FROM THE ACCESS ROADS AND THERE WOULD BE QUITE A GOOD OF OTHER PROPERTY IS NOT CONNECTED BY ROADS NOW THAT THEY COULD CONNECT TO THE PROPERTY.

SO IT ACTUALLY WOULD INCREASE PROPERTY VALUES MYSELF, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

SURE.

BUT YOU WOULD WIPE OUT A LOT OF HOMES RIGHT THERE, UM, IN THAT STONY COMMUNITY, UM, PARTICULARLY IN THE GUTTER LANE, UM, I JUST KNOW TOO MANY HOMES RIGHT.

IN THAT AREA THAT WILL BE COMPLETELY WIPED OUT.

THAT'S MY COMMENT.

THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

WELL NOW AT THE POINT, OKAY.

ANYWAY, UM, LET'S GO

[8. CONSIDERATION OF RECOMMENDATION TO PROCEED WITH 2022 TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX REFERENDUM FOR EITHER 4 YEARS OR MORE]

AND IF YOU CAN PULL UP THAT LIST OF PROJECTS, UH, WHILE SHE'S PULLING THAT UP, UM, JUROR HAS IT, IS PEOPLE HAVE CREATED A LIST OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, THE PROJECTS OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

UM, JERRY BACKGROUND ON, ON HOW THESE WERE CREATED, IF YOU WOULD HEAR SAID THIS STARTED, UH, FROM WHAT, AS I ENTERED THE POSITION.

WELL, IT WAS ALREADY ESTABLISHED IN THE IMPACT FEE LIST.

AND THEN, UM, PER COORDINATE WITHIN THIS VALLEY IS ONE OF THE COMMENTS, UH, FROM ONE OF THEM, THIS TALLIES ABOUT, UH, SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE ALL IN THE OWN IMPACT YOU LIST AND, OR ON THE OLD SALES TAX LISTS, 2006 SALES TAX THAT DID NOT GET CONSTRUCTED, THAT THOSE SHOULD BE BROUGHT FORWARD AS WELL.

AND THEN THE THIRD LIST OF PROJECTS ARE POTENTIAL PROJECTS THAT MY STAFF AND I, AND CONSULTANTS THAT WORK WITH, UH, THE ENGINEERING STAFF, UM, DETERMINED AS POTENTIAL PROJECTS THAT WOULD BE FITTING AS TRAFFIC AND, UH, CONGESTION CONTINUE TO GROW IN AREAS NORTH AND SOUTH FROM ABROAD.

SO, UM, WE PLAY ALL THOSE INTO COLLECT THE POLL, AND THIS IS THE LIST THAT WE ARE WORKING THROUGH RIGHT NOW AS A DRAFT LIST FOR IMPACT FEE, AS WELL AS A LOT OF THEM IMPACT FEE AND SALES TAX REQUIREMENTS.

SO I'D NEVER ADDS UP TO ABOUT 1.3 BILLION AND THAT'S IN CURRENT DOLLARS, AS I UNDERSTAND, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT.

AND THERE'S NO, UM, INFLATIONARY NUMBERS DISEASE IN DOLLARS.

10 YEARS, THAT WOULD GENERATE ABOUT 400 MILLION, UH, FOR THE REFERENDUM, WHICH WAS STILL LEAVE US, UH, THE BETTER PART OF A BILLION TO TAKE CARE OF FROM OTHER FUNDS, IMPACT FEES, STATE CONTRIBUTION, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS.

SO I'M SURE IT'S CALLED IT THE BUFORD BILLION, WHICH I THINK IS AN INTERESTING, INTERESTING NUMBER.

UM, SO IF YOU GO TO THE SECOND TAB, IF YOU WOULD FIND THE SWEET TABS ON THE EXCEL, NO, THERE WERE, THERE WERE THREE TABS ON THAT.

THEN HE JUST LOOKED AT IT.

I DON'T KNOW IF HE GET TO THE THREE TIMES IN ANY EVENT.

WELL, SHE'S LOOKING FOR THAT AND WE MAY NOT FIND IT.

UM, IF IT STRIKES ME AS I LOOK AT THIS, THAT THE NUMBER IS SO LARGE, THAT THE ONLY WAY WE CAN REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT HAPPEN IS IF WE ENDED UP DOING SOME KIND OF A, A CONTINUATION OF THE, UH, UH, SALES TAX REFERENDUM.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE SHOWS WHAT THE POPULATION IS NORTH, YOU KNOW, WITH WHAT THE VOTERS ARE.

I DO THINK THAT THE SOUTH OF THE BROAD BLUFFTON, UH, WILL KEEP GENERATING PRETTY GOOD IMPACT FEES, BUT HILTON HEADED NORTH OF ABROAD WILL BE LOWER.

SO, AND THIS IS ME TALKING, NOT STAFF, BUT AS I LOOK AT IT, THIS, IT SEEMS TO ME TO PASS A REFERENDUM.

YOU PROBABLY NEED SOMETHING ON THE ORDER OF A 50, 50 SPLIT NORTH AND SOUTH WITH A SMALLER AMOUNT, WHICH A MUCH SMALLER AMOUNT FOR, FOR HILTON HEAD.

AND THE ARGUING WITH HILTON THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING THE TWO 78 QUARTERS AND THERE'S PROBABLY NOT NEARLY AS MUCH AS, AS NEEDS DOING.

SO IF WE WERE TO TAKE THE CURRENT RUN RATE OF ABOUT 40 MILLION A YEAR ON THE REFERENDUM AND EXTEND THAT FOR

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SO IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO PROJECT THE, UH, THE FUTURE.

BUT THE WAY I LOOK AT IT IS THAT IF WE DON'T START DOWN THE PATH OF CONTINUING THE REFERENDUM, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A MUCH DEEPER HOLE AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TROUBLE DIGGING OUT OF IT.

SO I JUST SAW THAT OUT FOR, UH, FOR DISCUSSION.

AND IN FACT, THERE'S ONE MORE PAGE.

MAYBE YOU CAN JUST LOOK AT THAT.

UM, AS I LOOK AT THE, UM, NORTH OF THE BROAD PROJECTS AND JUST GO BY NAMES, UH, AND LUMP THEM ALL TOGETHER, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THERE'S QUITE A FEW MAJOR PROJECTS THAT ARE ON JARED'S LIST.

UH, AND I THINK SOME OF THAT COMES FROM THE AREA'S MORE SPREAD OUT.

YOU'VE GOT THE ISLANDS.

AND SO YOU HAVE WESTERN POPULATION TO CONNECT, UH, SOUTH OF THE BROAD, THERE'S REALLY A COUPLE BIG ONES, UH, YOU KNOW, 46 AND ONE 70, MAYBE PUTTING BUCK WALTER IN THERE.

AND AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, UH, WE MAY JUST TO PROTECT OURSELVES, HAVE TO PUT SOME MONEY INTO TWO 78 ON THE, UH, THE JASPER SIDE.

SO IN ANY EVENT, UM, I JUST THROW IT OUT FOR DISCUSSION.

MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT IT'S PROBABLY USEFUL TO, UH, UH, EXTEND THE CURRENT, UM, SALES TAX, BUT, UH, THAT'S UP TO ALL OF US.

SO I'M JUST OPENING UP FOR DISCUSSIONS.

I HAD ONE QUESTION HE HADN'T BOUNDARY LISTED ON THAT LAST LINE.

UH, JARED, UH, ALICE HAS ASKED FOR THE BOUNDARY STREET, WELL, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE DONE DOWN YOUR STREET FOR THE LAST SALES TAX.

SO THIS WOULD BE ON TWO SIDES OF THAT.

SO, UM, ON WHERE WE ENDED OUT OF TOWN GOING BACK TOWARDS THE AIR STATION.

SO THE CONTINUATION OF THAT, AND, UH, THERE'S ONE PORTION OF BOUNDARY.

AND THEN THE SECOND PORTION, UM, IS POTENTIALLY FROM REBA ROAD TOWARDS DOWNTOWN.

IF THERE'S SOMETHING TO DO BASED OFF WHAT HAPPENS ON LADY'S ISLAND, THAT WOULD BE THE OTHER PORTION OF BOUNDARY STREET IMPROVEMENTS.

THANK YOU, PAUL, THEN BRIAN.

YEP.

GO AHEAD, PAUL.

THANKS, BRIAN.

IF, IF WE DO GO TO REFERENDUM ON A TRANSPORTATION TAX, WHO HAS THE ULTIMATE RESPONSIBILITY FOR APPROVING THE LIST OF THE PROJECTS? I ASSUME IT'S US.

I DON'T KNOW THAT.

I THINK IT'S US FROM PRIOR TIMES TO FOLLOW UP, REMEMBER CORRECTLY, CORRECT.

COUNTY COUNCIL WOULD SET THE LIST.

THAT'S RIGHT.

SO WE HAD, AT SOME POINT BEFORE WE GO TO REFERENDUM, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSION AT COUNCIL LEVEL ABOUT WHAT PROJECTS GO IN THERE, IF THEY HAVE ENGINEERING PRESENTATIONS.

AM I RIGHT ABOUT THAT? YES.

AND I THINK WE WOULD GET INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY POSSIBLY THROUGH THE BEAT TAG OR FROM ANOTHER GROUP, OTHER GROUPS, BUT YES, W WHAT I WOULD REC I'M SORRY IF I, IF I MIGHT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER FLUE, ELLEN, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IF YOU'RE GOING TO, UH, UH, AS WE DEVELOP THESE LISTS OF PROJECTS AND VET THEM, UH, IS THAT WE APPOINT A CITIZENS COMMITTEE.

IT CAN BE PEOPLE THAT SERVE ON OTHER COMMITTEES TO ACTUALLY WORK WITH JARED, TO DEVELOP THE LIST IT'LL BE USED, UH, COUNTYWIDE, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SET IT UP SO THAT EACH COUNCIL MEMBER CAN APPOINT REPRESENTATION TO THAT COMMITTEE.

AND THEN THAT WAY THAT, UH, VOLUNTEER CITIZENS COMMITTEE WILL BE OUT THERE ADVOCATING FOR THE LIST IF THEY'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE ROAD PROJECT.

SO THAT SEEMS TO WORK WELL.

THAT'S WORKED WELL FOR, UH, TWO JURISDICTIONS THAT I'VE WORKED FOR.

SO, UM, UH, BRIAN, THANK YOU.

UM, PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA JUST FOR MY, MY VOICE YOU SAID, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I, SOME MORE INFORMATION RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE SALES TAX OUTSTANDING.

AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, WE ARE GETTING A LOT MORE MONEY THAN WE HAD ANTICIPATED THAN WHAT WE WERE BUDGETING FOR.

AND I KNOW THAT WE CAN'T COLLECT ANY MORE MONEY THAN WHAT WE ASK THE VOTERS TO APPROVE.

AND SO THEREFORE IT JUST IN THE BACK OF MY HEAD, I THINK WE'RE DONE ALMOST A YEAR EARLY ON THAT SALES TAX IS THAT I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

I THINK THE ORIGINAL ONE WAS SET AT 30 MILLION A YEAR, AND WE'RE GOING TO FINISH EARLY.

I'M GUESSING WE'RE GOING TO BE CLOSER TO 40 AS THE COLLECTIONS.

IT'LL BE 2022 WHEN WE GET DONE,

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WHEN WE WILL, THEY STARTED IN MAY.

SO THREE YEARS, IF WE DID IT IN THREE YEARS, IT'D BE, YOU KNOW, SPRING EARLY SUMMER, UH, NEXT YEAR, I THINK WHEN IT WOULD BE FINISHED.

SO WE'D HAVE, EVEN IF WE GET IT, YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE ANOTHER NINE MONTHS BEFORE IT KICKED IN AGAIN.

RIGHT.

THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I'M, UM, I'M THINKING ABOUT IS I, UM, I SAY THAT WE GO AHEAD AND SEND THIS TO THE VOTERS.

THEY WILL SEE A DEMONSTRATED, UM, UH, WE'RE CALL LIKE, UH, A DEMONSTRATED ABILITY OR DESIRE OF THE COUNTY TO COLLECT THE TAX FOR ELIMINATING TO COME OFF THE TAX AND GO BACK TO THE VOTERS FOR ANOTHER ASK, UH, WITH PROJECTS IN HAND, THIS IS WHAT WE DID WITH YOUR MONEY.

AND WE HOPE YOU LIKE IT.

IF YOU WANT TO SEE MORE OF THE SAME, PLEASE VOTE.

AND, UM, SO I'M GONNA, I'M GOING TO SAY YES, ON THIS IN ANTICIPATION OF HAVING ALL OF OUR SALES TAX PROJECTS DONE BY THE TIME THAT WE BRING THIS TO THE VOTERS AND, UM, WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD AS, AS NEEDED.

I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA SAY WE NEED TO MOVE IT FORWARD TOO, BUT I HOPE THIS NEXT GO AROUND ME, INCREASE ALTERNATIVE FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION, WHERE THEY EVEN MORE MONEY FOR PATHWAYS AND SIDEWALKS, AND EVEN PERHAPS HOV LANES.

UH, WE ARE A COUNTY OF ISLANDS AND THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY IN, AND WHEN MY OUT AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE MAKE FOUR LANES, SOME ROADS, BUT LET'S, LET'S GIVE CREDIT TO THE TRANSPORTATION THAT HAS MORE THAN ONE PERSON DRIVING TOO.

SO I'LL SAY YES TO THIS TOO, BUT I REALLY WANT A CITIZENS GROUP TO COME UP WITH OTHER WAYS, ALTERNATIVE FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION, WHETHER IT BE BIKE PATHWAYS AND SIDEWALKS OR WHATEVER.

UH, YES.

UM, I WILL ALSO, UM, VOTE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.

I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION WHEN WE WE'RE, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT ADDING LOSS TO THE, UH, REFERENDUM THIS FALL.

IF WE DO THIS, WE'LL HAVE A SECOND ONE TO BE TWO SENTENCES.

I ALMOST THINK TWO SENTENCES IS TOO MUCH.

I'D LIKE TO SEE LOST, UM, UH, SUCCEED.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS SUCCEED.

UH, SO IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING AS WE MOVE FORWARD DISCUSSION THAT, THAT WE TALK THAT WE TALK MAYBE ABOUT, UM, UH, EVEN HALF A HALF A CENT, HALF A PENNY FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.

UM, CAUSE I THINK IF WE GO TO SENSE THAT, UH, IT, IT, WE'RE, WE'RE ASKING FOR TOO MUCH.

UM, BUT AGAIN, I, I WILL MOVE THE SPORT FOR DISCUSSION SO WE CAN WORK OUT ALL THOSE DETAILS.

WE'RE GOING TO TURN SOME PEOPLE OFF IF THEY, IF THEY JUST LOOK AT US AS WELL, THEY WANT MORE MONEY.

TH TH TH THE LAST IS, WOULD BE 21.

AND AS I UNDERSTAND THIS YEAR, THIS WOULD BE IN 22, WHICH WOULD POINT TO A BANK AND THEY'RE SO CLOSE TOGETHER.

UM, ALSO I THINK IT'S PART OF THIS DISCUSSION IF WE GO FORWARD.

UM, I THINK WE'RE POINTING OUT THAT SOME OTHER AREAS IN THE STATE HAVE GONE FOR LONGER PERIODS OF TIME.

AND, UH, SO THAT'S KIND OF A POLITICAL DISCUSSION.

THAT TYPE OF THING IS THERE'S AN ADVANTAGE TO GOING LONGER.

UH, BUT MAYBE THERE'S SOME RISKS, UH, YOU KNOW, POLITICALLY OF GETTING IT PASSED.

UH, GERALD, CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY.

I KNOW YOU STARTED OFF THIS CONVERSATION, UH, WITH THE STATEMENT OF EXTENDING THE CURRENT, UM, UM, UH, PROM ONCE NSL TAX THAT WE HAVE.

AND I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THE LEGALLY WE CAN DO THAT AT A HIGH I'D HAVE TO GET SOME, WE'D HAVE TO GET SOME GUIDANCE ON THAT.

UM, BUT TO ALICE'S POINT, UM, THE PATHWAYS, UM, I THINK IS, WAS THE ALL CAME IN ON THE TAIL LANE OF THIS BECAUSE WE HAD SO MANY OTHER MAJOR PROJECTS, UH, HEAD AND, UM, THE PATHWAYS, UM, AND OUR NEXT CONSIDERATION OF PROJECTS, I THINK, NEEDS TO BE GIVEN MORE PRIORITY, UH, SIMPLY BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE REASONS THAT ALEX STATED, BUT FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, IN OUR RURAL COMMUNITIES, UH, SIDEWALKS AND PATHWAYS AND BIKE LANES IS, IS CRITICAL TO THE, UH, BETTERMENT OF THE LIVES AND THE COMMUNITIES OF PEOPLES, UH, IN THOSE AREAS.

SO I'M, I'M IN, I'M IN FAVOR OF, OF HOW NEXT REFERENDUM, INCLUDING A MORE EXTENSIVE, UH, REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITIES FOR PATHWAYS AND SIDEWALKS AND STUFF.

UH, BUT I, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT MOVING THIS FORWARD AS WELL.

AND I HAVE EXTEND WAS A BAD CHOICE OF WORDS.

THEY FEEL IT'S, IT WOULD BE A NEW REFERENDUM STARTING OVER AGAIN.

IT WOULD DO AND LOOK LIKE AN EXTENSION, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT A MECHANISM TO EXTEND THE CURRENT ONE.

MY, MY BAD CHOICE OF WORDS, PAUL ALL.

YEAH, I JUST, UH, I I'M, I'M JUST A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT WE'RE GETTING THE CAR TO HIT THE CART AHEAD OF THE HORSE.

AND HERE'S WHAT I MEAN BY THAT.

IF WE START TALKING ABOUT MONEY BEFORE WE HAVE A DEFINED, APPROVED LIST OF PROJECTS, I THINK

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THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY WANTED FOR IT.

THEY JUST WANT MORE MONEY.

UH, I THINK IF I'M ABSOLUTELY FINE WITH, UH, DEREK'S IDEA OF FORMING A, A COMMITTEE OF CITIZENS TO START TALKING ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE I'M PRETTY SURE THAT NOBODY AT THIS MEETING CAN PREDICT EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO COME OUT OF THAT, AND WHAT'S NOT GOING TO COME OUT OF THAT.

SO IF WE START TALKING ABOUT A HYPOTHETICAL LIST, I THINK THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A COMPLETELY VETTED LIST.

AND THEN, AND ONLY THEN IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, CAN WE COME OUT AND SAY, OKAY, LET'S DO IT.

LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT.

I'M SURE.

UM, YES, I'M IN FAVOR OF MOVING THIS FORWARD, THE CULMINATION, WHICH WILL BE DONE, I BELIEVE AS A RESULT OF ONE FORMING THAT CITIZENS COMMITTEE, BECAUSE THE CITIZENS COMMITTEE INPUT WILL DETERMINE THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE DONE AFTER THAT WE CAN THEN PUT A PRICE TAG ON WHAT IT WOULD COST FOR THOSE PROJECTS.

THEN AFTER THAT, WE WOULD HAVE THE DECISION TO MAKE OF HOW LONG, A PERIOD OF TIME DO WE THINK IT'S NECESSARY TO COLLECT THOSE FUNDS.

AND SHOULD IT BE A FULL SCENT FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME OR A HALF CENT FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME? SO THIS IS A GREAT DISCUSSION, BUT NOW WE'VE GOT TO GET THE PUBLIC INVOLVED.

SO I'M FOR MOVING FORWARD ON THOSE BASIS.

I SEE.

HANDS, ANYBODY ELSE, ANYBODY ON YOUR SIDE? UM, YEAH.

UM, I I'M FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT IS NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

UM, BUT I AM ALSO, UM, UH, CONCERNED ABOUT THE, UM, UM, THE PUBLIC PERCEPTION, UM, UM, HAVE ANOTHER ADDITIONAL TEXT.

I THINK THE PUBLIC WILL BUY INTO THE PROJECT.

UM, I THINK WE CAN, UM, UH, CONVINCED THEM THAT THIS IS THE PATH THAT WE SHOULD TAKE.

UH, UM, I'M EVEN IN FAVOR OF, UM, OF A CONTINUOUS STREAM OF INFRASTRUCTURE MONEY COMING IN, UH, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, PROJECTS THAT'S OUT THERE, BUT, UM, I WOULD LOVE TO, TO HAVE THIS DEBATE DISCUSS AND BROUGHT FORWARD AND HOPEFULLY, UH, WE'LL HAVE A PR PERSON ON BOARD THAT CAN ACTUALLY START WRITING ARTICLES, EXPLAINING EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN BE ENGAGED IN HIS WHOLE ENTIRE PROJECT.

IF WE PUT A 1 CENT SALES TAX, GENERALLY SPEAKING THE PUBLIC AND I'LL SAY NO, BUT IF I THINK WE SELL IT TO THEM PROPERLY, UM, UM, I THINK THEY WILL BUY INTO IT.

THAT'S MY COMMENT, MY SENSE OF OUR DISCUSSION, UH, JERRY.

AGAIN, MASS TRANSIT, UM, SAFETY, UH, PEDESTRIAN OR MAJOR ARTERY, AND THEN ASSIGN PERCENTAGES TO THOSE DIFFERENT, UM, SECTORS.

I JUST HAVE A COUPLE THINGS TO ADD ON SOME OF THE COMMENTS, THE DIFFERENT COUNCIL MEMBERS, COUNCILMAN HOWARD, UM, AS FAR AS ALTERNATE MEANS AND METHODS OF, UH, TRANSPORTATION OR MOBILITY, THAT IS SOMETHING, UH, THAT BOT'S PUTTING, UH, THEY'VE JUST PUBLISHED A DOCUMENT AS FAR AS COMPLETE STREET AND THE ABILITY TO INCLUDE PATHWAYS, UM, AND ALL FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING, UM, I THINK SOME GLOVER OR DAWSON HAD MENTIONED IN A PREVIOUS MEETING BEFORE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR FUNDING, UM, DIRT ROAD PAVING PROJECTS, UH, SALES TAX IS APPLICABLE TO THAT.

UM, AND ALSO AGAIN, COUNCILMAN HOWARD BACK TO YOU, OR, UM, ALTERNATE MODES OF TRANSPORTATION.

UM, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOV LANES, BUT ALSO MASS TRANSIT, UM, WITH PALMETTO BREEZE AND OR VARIOUS SERVICE AND, OR, UM, AVIATION.

SO ALL THOSE ARE MODES OF TRANSPORTATION THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED AND ARE NOT CURRENTLY SHOWN ON THE LIST OF PROJECTS.

THE LIST OF PROJECTS, AGAIN, IS A BASIS FOR THE IMPACT FEE IS WHERE IT STARTED, BUT IT ALSO CORRELATES WITH SALES TAX.

UM, AND AGAIN, THE, THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE OR CITIZENS COMMITTEE, I THINK THEY COULD COME UP WITH SOME OF THESE EXTRA IDEAS THAT WE COULD PUT TOGETHER.

UM, ONE OTHER THING OF NOTE AS CHAIRMAN PASSMAN MENTIONED, AS FAR AS THE LENGTH OF A SALES TAX PROGRAM, UM, CHARLESTON COUNTY, THEY HAVE A 30 CENT, THEY FIRST PASSED A HALF CENT ANY FOR 30 YEARS, AND THEN LATER ABOUT 10 OR 15 YEARS LATER PASSED A SECOND AND A HALF CENT.

UM, BUT RATHER THAN IDENTIFY ALL THE PROJECTS OVER THAT 30 YEAR SPAN, THEY IDENTIFIED DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROJECTS,

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SO, UM, JUST SOME OPTIONS AS, AS FURTHER DISCUSSION DEVELOPED, WHAT'S OUT THERE, WHAT OTHER COUNTIES AND DONE AND WHAT TYPES OF MODES OF TRANSPORTATION COULD BE CONSIDERED.

GO AHEAD, BRIAN, AND LINK TO THE LAST COMMENT.

HAS TO DO WITH, IS ITEM NUMBER NINE, UH, HAS TO DO WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF, UH, SUGGESTING TO THE COUNCIL THAT WE PROCEED WITH A BOND ANTICIPATION NOTE TO DO A COUPLE OF THINGS.

IT ACTUALLY IS AN EFFORT TO MOVE IT ON STU.

I THINK THAT WE HAVE A CLEAR DIRECTION FROM ALL THE MEMBERS OF COUNTY COUNCIL HERE WHO ARE HERE, WHO HAVE SPOKEN IN FAVOR OF MOVING FORWARD TO SOME EXTENT OR ANOTHER.

IT SEEMS LIKE THE LOGICAL NEXT STEP IS THE FORMATION OF THE COMMITTEE THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.

AND OF COURSE, CHAIRMAN PASSMAN CAN DO THAT WITHOUT ANY SPECIFIC MOTION OF THIS COMMITTEE OR OF COUNTY COUNCIL.

HE CAN SIMPLY ESTABLISH A BLUE RIBBON COMMITTEE TO, UH, TO RESEARCH THIS PROJECT AND PRESENT A REPORT BACK TO COUNTY COUNCIL.

AT THAT POINT, WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING SOLID TO FORWARD THE COUNTY COUNCIL RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND ESTABLISHMENT OF A REFERENDUM DATE, ET CETERA, AND ALL OF THE GRANT.

AND THEN I THINK YOU'RE WRITING BETWEEN THE JOURNAL AND THE STAFF SO THEY CAN WORK THIS.

AND THERE'S A GENERAL AGREEMENT THAT REALLY STARTED TO WORK IN THE PROCESS.

I DO BELIEVE THAT ABOUT THIS TIME, THE LAST, THE LAST REFERENDUM WE'D PRETTY MUCH NAILED DOWN THE PROJECT.

SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN LEAVE, YOU KNOW, FOR SIX OR NINE MONTHS IN MY MIND, BECAUSE YOU GOT TO DO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ENGINEERING ON THEM WHEN YOU'RE READY TO TAKE THEM TO THE PUBLIC.

UH, NEXT ITEM

[9. CONSIDERATION OF A RECOMMENDATION TO PROCEED WITH BOND ANTICIPATION NOTE (BAN) AND/OR OTHER FINANCING TO FUND THE HILTON HEAD AIRPORT TERMINAL AND URGENT PROJECTS INCLUDING POTENTIAL FEDERAL INFRASTRUCTURE BILL PROJECTS]

ONE IS THAT WE HAVE THE FUNDING OF THE AIRPORT TERMINAL AT HILTON HEAD.

IT IS, UH, IN THE FINAL DESIGN STAGES, PROBABLY READY TO GO TO BID IN THE SUMMER, UM, IN PARALLEL.

AND WE DO HAVE THE 20 MILLION FROM THE FAA, UH, IN PARALLEL WITH THAT WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT WE'LL GET SOME MONEY FROM THE STATE, UH, BUT WE WON'T KNOW RIGHT AWAY, YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

SO THE THOUGHT PROCESS IS TO POSSIBLY DO A BOND ANTICIPATION NOTE.

SO WE KNOW WE HAVE THE MONEY, WORST CASE, UH, AND WE CAN PROCEED.

AND THEN TO THE EXTENT THAT WE GET MONEY FROM OTHER SOURCES, WE WON'T NEED IT.

UH, THE OTHER PIECES THAT COULD BE DONE IN PARALLEL WITH THAT ARE, IS IF THE FEDERAL INFRASTRUCTURE BILL IS, IS COMING ALONG, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE PROJECTS THAT ARE SHOVEL SHOVEL-READY.

SO WE MAY WANT TO ALLOCATE SOME MONEY TO PROJECTS THAT, UH, WE WANT TO DO IN DUE COURSE, BUT MIGHT WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GOT THE PLANNING AND ENGINEERING DONE EARLIER, SO WE CAN QUALIFY FOR SOME OF THOSE, SOME OF THOSE FUNDS AND ALSO, UH, PROJECTS THAT WE MIGHT LIKED TO PUT IN A REFERENDUM IF WE DO ONE WOULD FALL IN PLACE HERE.

SO THIS WAS JUST TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IF WE'RE GENERALLY IN AGREEMENT THAT STAFF OUGHT TO BE MOVING IN THE DIRECTION OF, OF A BOND ANTICIPATION NOTE TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE ITEMS THAT I DESCRIBED.

UH, JUST OPEN IT UP FOR, UH, DISCUSSIONS CONCERNS.

UM, AT THIS POINT, DO WE HAVE A SLIDE ON THAT? I CAN'T REMEMBER.

NO, NO.

JUMP UP AT ONCE THOUGH.

I HATE BEING THE FIRST ONE TO TALK EVERY TIME STU OH, YOU'RE DOING A GOOD DAY.

YOU ALWAYS DO A GOOD JOB.

I KNOW THAT.

AND, UM, BUT, UM, UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE SHORTFALL IN FUNDING THAT WE CURRENTLY ANTICIPATE FOR THE HILTON HEAD TERMINAL, UH, AIRPORT TERMINAL, UM, SOMEONE REMIND ME, WHAT IS OUR SHORTFALL BETWEEN PROTECTED, PROJECTED BUDGET EXPENSE AND THE REVENUE WE ANTICIPATE AT THIS POINT? YEAH.

CURRENT ESTIMATE, A TERMINAL, I THINK HAS 20, IS 47.

WE HAVE 20 FROM THE FAA.

SO WE HAVE A SHORTFALL OF 27.

OVER HALF.

I DON'T, I, I'M NOT WILLING TO GREEN LIGHT A PROJECT THAT WE DON'T HAVE A DEDICATED SOURCE OF MONEY FOR.

AND I KNOW THE, UM, THE, UM, THE RENOVATION, THE ADDITION TO THE HILTON HEAD TERMINAL IS DESPERATELY NEEDED.

UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NEEDED BY ALL OF THE, FOR COUNTY.

I THINK WE NEED TO ASK, UM, THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD, WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO COUGH UP IN ORDER TO, UM, UH, TO HELP ON THIS PROJECT, BECAUSE IT IS A SIGNIFICANT SOURCE OF REVENUE FOR THEM AS WELL.

WELL, DAVID, CHRIS, CHRIS.

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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

UM, THE 27 MILLION.

HOW CURRENT IS THAT NUMBER GIVEN WHERE WE ARE WITH CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND HOW INFLATIONARY THAT'S BEEN OVER THE PAST? I'LL SAY A YEAR OR SO.

HOW CONFIDENT ARE WE IN THAT 27 MILLION NUMBER? I'M TOLD THAT IT'S CURRENT.

CHRIS.

I DON'T KNOW IF BEYOND THAT.

UH, AS A COMMENT I'M WITH I'M WITH BRIAN ON THIS ONE, I FEELS LIKE HE'LL NUDGE SHOULD SHARE IN THE COST.

UM, BUT I CERTAINLY DO RECOGNIZE THE NEED FOR, FOR THAT TERMINAL TO BE UPGRADED FOR SURE.

YEP.

OTHER COMMENTS, I GUESS THE THRUST OF WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT IF WE, IF WE APPROVE A BOND ANTICIPATION NOTE, THAT'S A GREEN LIGHT TO GET STARTED.

AND I I'D RATHER LOOK FOR THE MONEY BEFORE WE GIVE THEM THE GREEN LIGHT.

KNOW NUMBER 10 HAS TO DO WITH THE SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING COUNCIL, THE DECISION , WE'RE GETTING FEEDBACK FROM SOMEBODY, UH, DO ACTUAL, REAL, REAL KNOWLEDGE RATHER THAN, UH, THAN A UNIFORM FEE.

IF YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AS A WORST CASE THAT IF WE DID NOT GET MONEY FROM THE STATE, THEN WE WOULD DO IT GL BONDING FOR THAT MONEY.

EVENTUALLY COMMENTS IS YOUR SENSE THAT THE NEXT STEP IS OUT OF A CONVERSATION WITH THE TOWN OF HELP MEN.

THAT IS MY SENSE.

DO WE NEED TO HAVE THE ENGINEERING AND THE COST ESTIMATES READY? BECAUSE AS YOU, AS YOUR BACKLOG, CORRECT INFRASTRUCTURE BILLS, UH, UM, ARE GOING TO BE COMING THROUGH CONGRESS VERY, VERY QUICKLY.

AND WE'D LIKE TO GET ON WHATEVER SHOVEL-READY LIST WE CAN GET ON.

SO WE NEED TO BE READY FOR THAT, WHATEVER IT TAKES TO BE READY FOR THAT.

WELL, LOOK AGAIN TO WORKERS IN BRINGING THIS FORWARD.

UM, I

[10. UPDATE ON SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING, INCLUDING THE CONVENIENCE CENTERS, THE DECAL SYSTEM, AND THE ENTERPRISE FUND, INCLUDING SETTING MILLAGE]

UM, AND, UH, WE'RE AT THIRD READING, UH, I JUST DID A BACK OF THE ENVELOPE CALCULATION TO PULL THAT UP.

UM, PLEASE PUT YOUR MICROPHONE ON MUTE.

UM, AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO'S NOT ON MUTE, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU'RE ON MUTE.

SORRY.

SO THERE'S A LITTLE, THERE'S A SIDE TO YOUR PACKAGE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, LOOKED AT THE, KIND OF, UH, WHAT THE, THE MILLAGE MIGHT, UH, MIGHT LOOK LIKE.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIND THAT NOW YOU HAVE IT IN THE OTHER PACKAGE.

UM, AND I THINK YOU'RE LISTENING TO EVERYBODY.

I THINK EVERYBODY WAS KIND OF COMFORTABLE WITH WHERE WE ENDED UP THAT, UH, HAVING IT AS A SEPARATE LINE ITEM MILLAGE, UH, AGAINST, UH, PROPERTY VALUES IS THE, IS THE BEST WAY TO GO.

THAT WAS MY SENSE.

COMING OUT OF THE, UH, UH, COMING OUT OF THE MEETING.

WHAT SIDE ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ATTACHED TO THAT ITEM IS ENTERPRISE MILLAGE FUND.

KIND OF RAN TO, UM, THAT IF WE AGREED WITH THIS CALCULATION OR ROUGHLY THE CASE, WE PUT THE FIVE MEALS IN AT THIRD READING, AND THEN, UH, WHEN THEY CAN TRUE THAT OUT AS WE GO THROUGH THE ORDINANCE FOR THE, UH, UM, THE, THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR, IT MIGHT GO UP A LITTLE BIT OR DOWN A LITTLE BIT, BUT I THINK WE'RE IN THE RANGE OF PROBABLY FIVE MILLS AS A STANDALONE, UH, ITEM ON THE TAX BILLS.

STEW WHILE WE'RE WAITING.

LET ME JUST, UM, I THINK THE MIDDLE IS RATE IS A MUCH BETTER WAY TO GO.

THE ONLY THING I DON'T LIKE ABOUT IT IS YOU HAVE A FAMILY OF FIVE AND IF THEY OWN A, A MILLION DOLLAR HOME, THEY PAY A LOT MORE FOR THE EXACT SAME SERVICE THAT A FAMILY OF FIVE THAT WOULD HAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR HOMES.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THAT RESPECT, YOU WILL GET THAT WAY, BUT IT'S THE EXACT OPPOSITE WE'RE LOOKING AT BEFORE, WHENEVER WE HAVE THE UNIFORM, UM, FEE THAT EVERYONE PAID THE SAME THING.

SO THERE THERE'S THERE'S NO, THERE IS NO PERFECT WAY TO HANDLE THIS, BUT I THINK THE MILLAGE IS, IS A BETTER ROUTE TO GO.

OKAY, WHAT'D YOU HAVE ON YOUR SCREEN NOW IS JUST KIND OF A LOOK, SEE THAT IT KIND OF WHERE WE ARE.

UM, BASICALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, INCLUDES THE LANDFILL TIPPING FEES, THE HAULING FROM THE REUNION CENTERS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PERSONNEL COSTS, UH, THE RECYCLING THAT WE, UH, SUBSIDIZED AND I, YOU KNOW, JUST PUTTING IN A SMALL, UH, ECONOMIC ADJUSTMENT INFLATION FOR THE NEXT YEAR.

UH, OUR MILL VALLEY VALUE OF 2.2 MILLION, UH, NEXT YEAR PROBABLY IT'LL GET REFINED AS WE GO FORWARD.

YOU DIVIDE THAT OUT.

IT BRINGS YOU UP TO ABOUT FIVE MILLS.

UM, MY THOUGHT PROCESS

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SO JUST OPEN IT UP FOR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MIGHT, UM, WHAT WAS THE MILLAGE THAT WAS BAKED INTO THE BUDGET LAST YEAR INTO THE GENERAL FUND? IF WE WERE TO EXTRAPOLATE THAT OUT, I THINK FOR THE WHOLE THING OR FOR JUST THIS, JUST FOR JUST THIS, UM, I DON'T KNOW CHRIS, BUT I THINK IT'S, UH, PROBABLY SLIGHTLY LESS THAN THAT.

11 MILLION SEEMS TO BE, IT WAS 10 AND CHANGE THERE'S 10, 10 MILLION SOMETHING RIGHT HERE, BUT FROM A MILLAGE PERSPECTIVE, HOW MANY MILLS WAS IT PROBABLY ABOUT THE SAME FIVE MILS GIVE OR TAKE? IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET, UM, CONFIRMATION FROM FINANCE ON THAT? JUST SO WE KNOW EXACTLY.

WE'LL, WE'LL GET THAT FAR THEN, UH, HERE AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.

AND THIS ONE, WE CAN JUST LET IT UNFOLD DURING THE PROCESS, OR WE COULD VOTE FOR THE FIVE AND, AND THREW IT UP AS WE GO THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS.

I'M IN DIFFERENT, WHATEVER Y'ALL WANT TO DO.

IF SOMEBODY LIKES THE FIVE, WE HAVE A MOTION.

IF YOU WANT TO WIN IT, THAT'S FINE.

PERSONALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GO TO THE PUBLIC AND SAY WE HAVEN'T INCREASED THE MILLS.

SO IF THAT'S AT ALL POSSIBLE, I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK, UH, FROM YOU ALL TODAY IS PART OF THE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FROM YOU, UH, FOR, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A BUDGET OF 10 MILLION, THE STUDY, AS I UNDERSTAND IT FROM JARED WAS BASED UPON THE ENTERPRISE FUND GENERATING 16 MILLION A YEAR.

UH, IF YOU, UH, WANT US TO, UH, HOLD THE LINE AT THE 10 MILLION THAT WE'VE BUDGETED FOR USING EXISTING MILLAGE, THEN WE WOULD, UH, FOREGO SOME OF THE, UH, NEEDS, UH, ANNUALLY FROM THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE $6 MILLION DIFFERENCE IN THAT.

SO IF YOU ALL DO NOT WANT US TO, UH, ENCOURAGE ANY KIND OF MILITARY TO INCREASE ENTERPRISE FUND, THEN WE WILL JUST HAVE TO HOLD THE LINE AT THE 10.6 HAS ALREADY ARE 10 POINT, WHATEVER THAT'S ALREADY IN THE CURRENT BUDGET.

SO I THINK WE GET TO DO, AND LEADING THEM FORWARD AT A THIRD READING GIVING UPDATE ON THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE ASKED, AND WE EITHER, YOU KNOW, FIX IT AT, UH, FIX A NUMBER AT THAT POINT, KNOWING YOU MAY GET ADJUSTED, OR WE MAY JUST LEAVE IT TO BE ADJUSTED IN THE BUDGET PROCESS.

SO HEARD FROM INDIA, MUNICIPALITIES, WHERE THEY ALREADY COLLECT FEES ON THE FLOOR BILLS FOR THEIR RESIDENTS, IS THAT THEY ARE NOT CONFIDENT THAT THE WAY IT'S BEING PRESENTED, THAT THESE ARE COSTS THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE TO SHARE ALL OF THEM.

THEY GET THE LANDFILL TIPPING FEE, OF COURSE, AND THE CONVENIENCE CENTER HAULING BECAUSE SOME RESIDENTS CAN USE THAT, BUT THEY, I THINK THEY, MIGHT'VE BEEN A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE OTHER COSTS SUCH AS PERSONNEL AND RECYCLING.

HOW DOES THAT BENEFIT HOW, HOW THE MUNICIPALITIES ARE? THEY'RE PROBABLY BEING TREATED FAIRLY.

A QUICK UPDATE ON YOUR DISCRETION THAT THE LADY'S ISLAND ACCESS ROAD.

FAIR ENOUGH.

I, I THINK WE OUGHT TO, WE OUGHT A WHOLE, THE, UM, THE, THE MILLAGE, UH, TO WHERE IT IS NOW WITHOUT, WITHOUT ANY MILITARY INCREASE.

UH, I THINK WE ALL NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE IDEA THAT WE'RE STILL IN A, IN A, UH, PANDEMIC.

A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE LOST THEIR JOB AND ARE CURRENTLY UNEMPLOYED.

AND, UM, THERE'S NO, UM, NO SET TIME AS TO WHEN A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO BACK TO WORK, I'LL BE REEMPLOYED.

AND FOR US TO, UM, HAVE ANY TYPE OF A MILITARY INCREASE, I THINK IS GOING TO BE DETRIMENTAL, UH, TO, UM, TO THIS PROGRAM AND TO THE PEOPLE ACTUALLY SUPPORTING ANYTHING THAT WE TRY TO DO MOVING FORWARD.

WE'LL GET IT, WE'LL GET A COUNT THROUGH WHAT THE CURRENT MILLAGE IS WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND FOR THIRD READING.

UM, THE NEXT MONTH TAKE CARE OF IT.

UM, WE RUN WITH JARED

[11. UPDATE ON LADY'S ISLAND ACCESS ROADS, AND US 21 CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENTS]

SO THIS WAS, UH, WE HAD A MEETING IN JANUARY TO FEBRUARY FOR THE ACCESS ROADS.

AND THEN AGAIN, IN, UH, THE END OF JANUARY OR FEBRUARY THROUGH MARCH, UH, FOR THE CORE DOOR, UM, OUT OF THAT, WE RECEIVED A LOT OF GOOD PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS ON THE DIFFERENT ROADS

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THAT WERE PRESENTED.

UM, THERE WAS AN OVERWHELMING CONSENSUS REGARDING THE US 21 AND EIGHT OH TWO PORTION TO HAVE WALKABLE VILLAGE CONCEPT, UH, SPECIFICALLY FROM MERIDIAN ROAD TO ADA TO, UM, AND ALSO THAT INTERSECTION ITSELF.

UM, THERE WAS A, THE LEAST DESIRED ROAD WAS THE MAYFAIR CORE EXTENSION, WHICH IT CONNECTS TO WHAT IS NOW KNOWN AS OUR IS KNOWN AS A PRIVATE ROAD, UM, WILLIAM STREET.

THAT IS, UH, SO BASICALLY THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE PROVIDED FROM OUR PROGRAM MANAGER, JAY BRAD CONSULTANT, OR TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN CONCEPTS AS PRESENTED, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE MAYFAIR COURT EXTENSION, UH, AT THIS TIME, AND CONTINUE DOWN THE PROCESS AS PROCEEDING, THERE ARE A COUPLE OPTIONS THAT STILL HAVE TO BE TEASED OUT, UM, REGARDING SOME OF THE INTERSECTIONS ALONG 21 BUSINESS, AS IT RELATES TO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND ALSO FINALIZING THE ACCESS TO THE HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH IS SHOWING OFF OF, UM, ROUTE EIGHT OH TWO AT THIS MOMENT.

SO, UM, IN GENERAL, UM, A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK, EVEN IN OUR VIRTUAL SETTING, UM, THAT WE HAD A TOWN HALL MEETING AND OUR VIRTUAL MEETING AND, UM, BUT MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN CONCEPTS AS PROVIDED.

OKAY, GOOD.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR JARED ON THOSE ACCESS ROADS ON LADY'S OUT? OKAY.

JARED, ANY

[12. UPDATE FROM ASSISTANT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, JARED FRALIX]

OTHER QUICK UPDATE FROM YOU ON YOUR OTHER ACTIVITIES IN YOUR SHOP? YOU'VE BEEN BUSY.

13 THROUGH 19 ARE A SERIES OF CONTRACTS.

JUST WANTED TO GIVE A UPDATE.

I'LL TRY TO RUN THROUGH THIS AND, AND, UH, I'VE GOT A FEW THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON INSIDE.

UM, THE ENGINEERING DIVISION SPECIFICALLY, THE THINGS THAT COME TO PELLET WORKS FIRST, UH, IN SOLID WASTE EARTH DAY CLEANUP IS, UH, EARTH DAY IS APRIL 22ND, THIS THURSDAY.

AND WE HAD A CLEANUP SCHEDULED, UM, ON WEDNESDAY FROM 8:00 AM TO 2:00 PM.

WE HAVE OVER A HUNDRED, UM, VOLUNTEERS BETWEEN BEAVER COUNTY, CITY OF BUFORD, DDOT, AND TOWN OF BLUFFTON HELPING OUT.

AND WE'LL BE WORKING IN ALL 11 DISTRICTS.

SO THAT'S ON WEDNESDAY.

UM, WE HAVE A RECYCLING RFP THAT WE PUT OUT.

WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT, UH, THE HANDLE, OUR RECYCLING AT OUR CONVENIENCE CENTERS.

LAST TOWN, WE PUT THIS OUT, WE ONLY HAD ONE VENDOR.

THIS JUST CAME BACK IN ON FRIDAY AND WE HAD SEVEN PROPOSALS.

SO I'M GLAD TO SEE OF THE RENEWED INTEREST.

SO THAT'LL BE CO FORTHCOMING.

UM, HERE SHORTLY AS MENTIONED EARLIER IN TRANSPORTATION TO TWO 78, INDEPENDENT REVIEW IS, UM, COMING TO A CLOSE WE'RE WORKING TO FINALIZE THAT REPORT AND PROVIDE THAT TO COUNCIL, UH, THIS WEEK.

SO A PRESENTATION CAN BE MADE AT COUNTY COUNCIL ON MONDAY.

UM, SANDS POINT TURN LANE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND WE'VE HAD, UH, UH, SOME WORKING ISSUES WITH UTILITY COMPANIES OUT THERE.

UM, BUT PLAN TO HAVE THAT PROJECT COMPLETED IN THE JUNE JULY TIMEFRAME.

SO THAT'LL BE OUR FIRST TRANSPORTATION PROJECT FULLY COMPLETED.

UM, OTHER TRANSPORTATION OUTSIDE OF THE SALES STATS, THE CTC IS UPDATING THEIR PAYMENT MANAGEMENT STUDIES.

SO THIS IS THEIR FIVE-YEAR ASSESSMENT, UH, OUR ASSESSMENT AND FIVE-YEAR PAYMENT PLAN.

UM, SO THEY HAVE TO HAVE THAT COMPLETED BY THE END OF THE YEAR AND ALSO, UM, THE FOUR YEAR YEAR FOR RESEARCH AND PROJECTS UNDERWAY.

UM, SO THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW WITH COMPLETION DATA AND THIRD QUARTER, AS WELL AS A DIRT ROAD PAVAN WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A YEAR ONE, EVEN OF THOSE FOUR ROADS AND ARE ABOUT TO START OUR YEAR TWO, UH, CONTRACT NUMBER 52 DIRT ROAD PAVING ROADS, AS FAR AS AIRPORTS, THE AIRPORT EXPANSION PROJECT, OR EXCUSE ME, APRON.

THIS IS NOT A TERMINAL EXPANSION.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT UNDERPLANTED, THIS IS ALREADY PROGRAMMED AND HEADED.

UM, THE CONTRACTOR HAS BEEN AWARDED ALREADY AND THEY'RE WORKING TO GET THE SUBMITTALS SO THEY CAN START, UH, ON THAT PROJECT IN THE COMING WEEKS.

ONE THING TO NOTE AT THE AIRPORT, THE EMPLOYMENTS THIS YEAR IN MARCH, UM, OVER LAST YEAR IN MARCH, THEY ARE DOUBLE, OBVIOUSLY WE HAD GROWN IN THERE, BUT, UM, EMPLOYMENTS ARE ON THE RISE AND ARE TRENDING UPWARD EACH AND EVERY WEEK, UH, FACILITIES MANAGEMENT, THE BOAT LANDING, MASTER PLAN RFQ.

WE'RE WORKING TO FINALIZE THAT SO WE CAN GET AN ASSESSMENT OF OUR BOAT RAMPS AND COME UP WITH A MASTER PLAN.

AND ALSO THE OLD FEDERAL COURTHOUSE RENOVATION WORK IS PROGRESSING WELL.

AND WE'RE ABOUT TO PUT OUT AN RFP FOR THE HPAC SYSTEM AND WITH A PLAN COMPLETION DATE IN SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR ON CAPITAL PROJECTS, THE ARTHUR ARM BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTIONS,

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CONTINUING TO PROGRESS.

WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF ISSUES TO WORK THROUGH ISSUES AND DELAYS ASSOCIATED WITH THE UTILITY SERVICE AND THE ELEVATORS.

THE ELEVATORS WERE ON BACK ORDER WITH CORONA.

UM, AND WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS RIGHT NOW.

SO WE HAVE ADJUSTED CONTRACT COMPLETION, DATE PLAN FOR SEPTEMBER, UM, MYRTLE PARK SITE WORK.

UH, THIS IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECT BEHIND OUR MYRTLE PARK BUSINESS PARK.

UH, WE'RE COORDINATING WITH THE DEVELOPER AND THE ECONOMIC CLIENTS ON THIS.

WE HAVE UTILITY TAX CREDITS ASSOCIATED THAT, AND THE COUNTY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR CONSTRUCTING THE SITE WORK, UM, THAT WILL BE COMING FORTH HERE.

UM, ACTUALLY IT'S IN THIS AGENDA HERE LATER FOR DISCUSSION AND APPROVAL.

UM, AND THEN THE EMS FIRE STATION STATION 31, AND YOU RIVERSIDE, THE WORK IS PROGRESSING WELL AND STILL PLAN FOR THIRD QUARTER COMPLETION.

UM, THE BLUFFTON LIBRARY'S UNDERWAY THAT WORK IS CONTINUING WELL AND A THIRD QUARTER COMPLETION ON THAT.

AND IF IT WORKS, UM, ALTHOUGH THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PROJECTS, PER SE, AS FAR AS CAPITAL PROJECTS, THEY HAVE CONTINUED TO MAINTAIN, UH, ALL THE ASSETS THAT WE OWN.

THE MAIN THING AND THEY'RE WORKING ON ARE THE MULTI-YEAR APWA ACCREDITATION.

THIS IS THE DESIGNATION, THE COUNTY DESIGNATION, UM, OF EXCELLENCE AND THE INDUSTRY GOLD STANDARD.

CURRENTLY, THERE ARE THREE OTHER COUNTIES THAT ARE ACCREDITED IN THE STATE AND WE WOULD BE THE FOUR.

UM, SO I KNOW THAT WAS A MOUTHFUL, BUT JUST WANTING TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP, SOME OF THE STUFF THAT'S GOING ON THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MAKE IT TO THE AGENDA OR STUFF, THAT'LL BE COMING TO THE AGENDA, UM, IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

SO, UM, ITEMS

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WE'LL VOTE ON THOSE ALL AT ONE TIME, BUT JARED, IF YOU COULD WALK THROUGH THOSE, UM, CONTRACTS, UH, SO WHAT WHAT'S INVOLVED IN THOSE AND FAIR QUESTION WHO STOPPED YOUR AS HE'S GONE THROUGH.

SO NUMBER 13 IS RECOMMENDATIONS FOR OUR SALES TASKS, CONSTRUCTION ENGINEERING AND INSPECTION SERVICES.

SO THIS WAS PART OF THE, UH, ORIGINAL SOLICITATION WITH OUR PROGRAM MANAGER AND CONSTRUCTION SERVICES.

AT THE TIME THOUGH, THERE WAS NOT, UH, THE PROJECTS WEREN'T DEVELOPED ENOUGH ENOUGH TO KNOW THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION VALUES.

UM, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PRESSING PROJECTS TO PRESS FOR, UH, UM, THE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES PART.

SO NOW THAT WE HAVE THOSE VALUES, UH, ENUMERATED, UM, THIS IS A PROPOSAL FOR THE INSPECTION SERVICES AND ADMINISTRATION OF THOSE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, UM, AS PART OF THAT CONTRACT, UM, THAT WILL BE F AND M NEED THEIR SUB CONSULTANT UNDER J GREG, UH, CONSULTANT.

UM, ITEM 14 IS THE HPAC AND ENERGY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM AT THE DETENTION CENTER.

SO, UM, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN LIT AND WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF BIDS ON THAT CAME IN JUST UNDER OUR ENGINEERED ESTIMATE AND, UH, READY TO GET WORK ON THAT PROJECT.

UM, ITEM 15, THE BEAVER COUNTY ROAD RESURFACE IN YEAR FOUR.

UM, AGAIN, THIS PROJECT IS ALREADY UNDERWAY.

THERE WAS SOME AD-ONS THAT WERE ALTERNATIVES THAT WERE PROVIDED AS A COST TESTED, BUT NOT EXECUTED INITIALLY.

UM, WE'VE DONE SOME MORE COORDINATION WITH THE CONTRACTOR ON THOSE AND ARE LOOKING TO ADD THOSE, UM, THROUGH VARIOUS FUNDING SOURCES, CTC TAG, AND SOME GRANT FUNDING SOURCES.

SO THAT'S WHAT THAT CHANGE ORDERS AND MAP ITEM NUMBER 16, THIS IS THE MYRTLE PARK BUSINESS PARK.

SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE SITE WORK.

WE HAVE A COMMITMENT OF $577,000.

SO THIS GOES TOWARDS THAT COMMITMENT, UM, FOR US TO FACILITATE THAT PROJECT AND THEN EXECUTE THE PURCHASE OR THE SALE AGREEMENT TO THE DEVELOPER, UH, THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN, UM, CONTRACT AWARD.

THIS IS THE, FOR THE MASTER PLAN.

WE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE VOICE OVER A PICKLEBALL.

SO THIS WOULD BE THE INCLUSION.

THIS IS WHAT IN PARTNERS.

AND THIS WOULD BE TO KICK OFF THAT, UM, DESIGN EFFORT, AS FAR AS PUTTING TOGETHER A MASTER PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY ITEM 18, UH, RECOMMENDATION FOR THE ACCESS CONTROL SECURITY CAMERAS AT THE, UM, SHERIFF'S OFFICE 1501 BAY STREET.

THIS IS THE OLD FEDERAL COURTHOUSE.

SO THIS IS PART OF THE RENOVATIONS.

UM, THIS IS WITH THE STATE CONTRACT, UM, WITH CODE LINKS AND THEY WOULD BE PERFORMING THE WORK, UM, TO GET THIS SECURITY CAMERAS INSTALLED AT THE FACILITY AND THEN RECOMMENDATION, UH, 19 BLUFFED AND FULL RESURFACING.

UM, THEY DID THE BEAVER POOL, SO THEY HAVE A GOOD HISTORY OF AN EXPECTATION OF WHAT

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THE PROJECT INCLUDES.

UM, AND THEN THAT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE THREE BID, UH, THE COOLS THAT WE MAINTAINED WOULD BE RESURFACED AT THAT TIME.

I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT'S AT 12 THREE 19.

NO, THAT'S GOOD.

UM, WE'VE THROWN A LOT AT YOU THERE, IF THERE'S SOME OF THOSE THAT, UH, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT OR WROTE ON SEPARATELY, UH, HAPPY TO DO THAT, BRIAN.

I JUST AM UNSURE ABOUT WHAT 3,000 ROAD IS DOING, UH, UM, ON THERE ISN'T THAT A PROPERTY THAT WE ASKED, UM, A BUSINESS TO VACATE SO THAT WE COULD, UM, EXPAND THE AIRPORT.

W WHY IS THERE, YEAH, THAT IS FOR THE CONTRACTOR, UM, THIS APAC, WHO'S GOING TO BE DOING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE APRON EXPANSION.

THIS IS THE ONSITE FIELD OFFICE.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A FIELD OFFICE REGARDLESS.

SO THIS IS FACILITATING THE CONSTRUCTION OR THAT IT'S A TEMPORARY LEASE.

THEY ASKED ME AND SAID, MS. CHAIRMAN AND MAKE A MOTION.

WE APPROVE ITEMS. UH, UH, GOSH, WHAT IS THE NUMBER 13 THROUGH 2013 THROUGH 20, THEY GOT THE RIGHT AT A HUNDRED COMMENTS AS THE FIRST SECOND.

YEAH, I WILL SECOND IT, UH, BUT UNDERSTAND CERTAIN OF THOSE THAT WE'RE APPROVING HAVE TO GO TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL BECAUSE OF THE DOLLAR VALUE OF THE REMAINING ONES CAN BE APPROVED AT THE COUNTY AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL.

RIGHT.

GOOD POINT.

TAKES US TO 21 THROUGH 24.

ANY OBJECTION TO ANY OF THESE CONTRACTS? NOT WITHSTANDING JOE'S COMMENT THAT SOME GO TO CAMP COUNCIL AND OTHER ONES, THIS WILL BE THE FINAL APPROVAL, THE SMALLER ONES, NOT SEEING A, ANY OBJECTION.

THESE ARE APPROVED WITHOUT OBJECTION.

THAT

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THEY'RE ALL KIND OF MINOR, BUT JARED, COULD YOU RUN THROUGH THESE QUICKLY? SURE.

SO 21, UM, IS COMMERCIAL LEASE AGREEMENT.

SO THIS IS ONE OF THE PRI OR ONE OF THE VENDORS.

COUNCILMAN INFLU ELLING YOU SAID, IS BEING RELOCATED.

AND THIS IS STONEWORKS.

THEIR NEW SITE IS OUT ON ONE 70, BUT, UH, THEY S THEY HAVEN'T FINISHED UPDATING THAT.

SO THIS IS ALLOWING THEM TO VACATE THAT ERIC CONTINUED TO, UM, USE THAT PROPERTY UNTIL THAT ONE 70 IS FINALIZED.

UM, SO THAT'S ITEM NUMBER 2122 IS THE LEASE AGREEMENT FOR THE BECO, UH, LIBRARY BUFORD COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT.

SO THIS IS A LEASE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

OUR LEASE EXPIRES IN 2025.

WE'VE BEEN APPROACHED TO UPDATE OUR LEASE SITES, THAT HEADSTART PROGRAM, UM, CAN MODIFY THEIR LEASE IN A MANNER SUCH THAT IT WOULD POSITION THEM TO BETTER QUALIFY FOR GRANT OPPORTUNITIES.

UM, SO INSIDE OF THAT, THIS MAY BE SOMETHING WE NEEDED TO TAKE SEPARATELY BECAUSE THERE'S TWO OPTIONS THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS EITHER TO AMEND THE LEASE AS CURRENT TO, UH, TO REMOVE HEADSTART FROM OUR LEASE LANGUAGE OR TO, UM, TO EXECUTE A NEW LEASED.

UH, AND THAT WOULD BE AMEND OUR CURRENT LEASE THAT EXPIRES IN 2025 WITH THAT LANGUAGE, OR TO EXECUTE A NEW LEASE AND SEPARATE LEASE THAT DOES NOT HAVE A 25 YEAR LEASE THAT DOES NOT HAVE HEADSTART AS PART OF THAT.

UM, WHICH WOULD BE A SIMILAR TWENTY-FIVE YEAR LEASE.

THE HEADSTART IS, IS, UM, WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, UM, NUMBER 23, THE UTILITY EASEMENTS.

SO THIS IS TO ESTABLISH POWER AT ALL AT WORK SOUTH IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, WE HAVE A GLASS CRUSHER AS PART OF SOLID WASTE THAT, THAT SITS ON THE PROPERTY IT'S ON TEMPORARY POWER AND GENERATOR.

SO THIS IS A PERMANENT POWER, AS WELL AS PROVIDING EXTRA SECURITY LIGHTING IN THE REAR.

SO THIS IS, UH, IT'S.

WE HAVE POWER UP TO THE RECREATION CENTER NEXT DOOR, AND IT CROSSES OVER TWO PROPERTIES, TWO OF OUR PROPERTIES TO BRING THIS POWER TO THIS NEW LOCATION.

SO THAT'S WHAT THAT'S IN REGARD TO.

AND THEN ITEM NUMBER 24.

THIS IS AN INTER-GOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN BEAVER COUNTY AND THE MSC FOR SPECIAL PROJECTS AND ASSOCIATED SERVICES.

THIS IS THE SAME ACTUALLY COPY AND PASTE FROM THE AGREEMENT THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY REVIEWED AND APPROVED WITH THE CITY OF BUFORD TO PROVIDE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AND ENGINEERING SERVICES, UM, ON PROJECTS FOR THE CITY OF BUFORD.

BUT THIS IS WITH THE TOWN OF BMC.

AND THAT IS THAT TO ME, BECAUSE BACK IN 22, IF THERE IS THAT ONE THAT, UH, THAT WE CAN IMPROVE, BUT THEN STAFF CAN TELL US WHETHER THEY WANT TO DO AN AMENDMENT OR A NEW AGREEMENT BY THE TIME WE GET TO NEXT WEEK, BUT COUNCIL MEET TAKES IT UP.

UM, THE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WOULD LIKE US TO SEVER, UM, OUR CURRENT LEASE AGREEMENT WITH LIKE THE SEVERAL SEVER THE HILLS, AND I MEAN, THE HEADSTART BUILDING FROM THE WHOLE LEASE.

TOM, ARE YOU ON THE PHONE TO SPEAK TO THAT? YES.

THIS IS TOM PENNY.

UM, YEAH.

SO AS JARED INDICATED,

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SO, UM, WE CAN, YEAH, WE CAN DO IT THE WAY YOU SUGGESTED.

UM, I THINK THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS GOING TO WANT TO GO WITH JUST A MINUTE ATTENDING, AMENDING THE LEAST LEAVE IT WAY.

IT IS.

UM, BUT WE'D LIKE TO, UM, UM, UH, MEN, THE LEAST, SO THAT WE HAVE A 25 YEAR LEASE, JUST LIKE THE HEADSTART WE'LL HAVE AN NEW 25 YEAR LEASE SO THAT THE TWO WILL RUN PARALLEL, TOM, WHO WE NEED TO DO ANY DAY.

IS THIS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE CAN JUST, UH, BRING US BACK A PROPOSAL, THEN THERE'S SOME URGENCY TO IT BECAUSE HEADSTART NEEDS TO GET A 25 YEAR LEASE IN ORDER TO APPLY FOR SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF GRANTS.

UM, SO IF, IF YOU COULD JUST AUTHOR, IF COUNCIL WOULD AUTHORIZE THE AUTHORIZED US TO ENTER INTO EITHER APPROACH WE'LL WORK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, UM, IN ORDER TO, TO RESOLVE IT, IF YOU WILL, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.

EXACTLY.

IT'S ITEMS 21 THROUGH 25, INCLUDING THE REAPPOINTMENT OF BRUCE.

ANY OBJECTION TO TAKING THESE TWO TOGETHER, SEEING NONE, WE WILL ASSUME THAT IT'S BEEN APPROVED WITHOUT OBJECTION AND RELATIVE TO 22, UH, LEGAL STAFF WHO WORK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO SEE IF THEY CAN RESOLVE.

AND IF NOT, WE CAN NOT.

IF WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION, WE CAN MAKE IT, UH, OUR MEETING NEXT FUNDING.

ACTUALLY, THIS WILL COME FORWARD.

THIS WILL COME FORWARD AS A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM WHEN IT COMES BEFORE WE NEED TO ADVERTISE FOR 15 DAYS AND THAT'S WHEN WE WILL GET IT DONE.