Apr 05, 2021 Board of Education - Ad Hoc Self Evaluation Committee Meeting

[10:00am Call to Order]

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WITH COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD MEETING. SO A COMMITTEE MEETING OF THE ADULT WITH EVALUATION COMMITTEE AND IS BEING A LIVE SCREAM THAT I BELIEVE IT'S A VIDEO.

THIS VIDEO CONFERENCE MEETING. THEREFORE IT'S NOT IT'S NOT LIVE IN THE DISTRICT OFFICE.

TODAY'S DATE APRIL 1ST. AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG. START OF THE AGENDA, PLEASE RISE OUR PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE

VISIONS FLAG FLY AND WE RISE. >> MARIKA AND TO THE REPUBLIC WHICH WE BAND IN ONE NATION UNDER GOD AND SYMBOLS OF LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. I DID NOT SAY A DAY ABOUT THE PUBLIC COMMENT BEING ALERTED BECAUSE THERE IS PRESS PASS TIME THAT WILL GIVE THEM THAT INFORMATION. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS AND WE NEED.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS BUT YOU DO NEED TO APPROVE THE AGENDA FIRST.

[Approval of Agenda]

SHOULDN'T THAT BE ABOUT GENDER AGENDA? OH, I'M SORRY.

THE AGENDA. I APOLOGIZE. YES, I MADE THAT WE APPROVED THE AGENDA FOR APRIL 5TH. I ALSO REALIZED THAT YES SIR, WE'LL DO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

I 2 0. OKAY. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC

[Approval of the Ad Hoc Self Evaluation Committee Minutes ➢ November 30, 2020 ➢ March 23, 2021]

THAT WAS OUR LAST YEAR'S MEETING BEFORE YOU DID THE FINAL.

SO I PUT THIS UP HERE FOR YOU TO REVIEW PATRICIA. >> THAT'S THAT WOULD BE YOU AND SOLELY I GUESS. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW HOW I MISS THAT WHEN I WAS REVIEWING THE DOCUMENTS TELL LET ME JUST READ IT REAL FAST.

YOU WANT ME TO STROLL SLOWER? WHAT MAIL ARE YOU? >> SIGNS? YES. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR MY MEMORY TO GO SO FAR BUT YEAH I IT WAS PRETTY I THINK IT'S JUST YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WE WERE DOING.

THIS IS WHEN MR. SMITH IN HIS WORKSHOP WAS STILL ON THE COMMITTEE.

YES. I MOVED TO ACCEPT THEIR MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER 30TH.

TWENTY TWENTY I'LL SAY TO WILL BE MOVED. AND SECONDLY WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 30TH. TWENTY TWENTY ALL OF XAVIER HIGH TO ZERO.

HEY, GIVE ME A SECOND RIGHT NOW GET TO MARCH TWENTY THIRD. AND I'M SURE THAT WE ACCEPT THE MARCH TWENTY THREE TWENTY TWENTY ONE MEETING MINUTES. WELL IT'S GOOD MOVE THE SECOND WE ACCEPT THE MARCH 20 30 TWENTY ONE MINUTES. ALL IN FAVOR.

HI. GO TO ZERO. YES O.

K. YES THAT'S IT. TO THE NEW BUSINESS WORLD THE DAY.

[Discussion of Board’s Self Evaluation Instrument]

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TRICIA, I VOLUNTEERED TO TO LOOK AT LOOK AT IT AND COME WITH SOME OF THE MORE POINTED THE RATIONALES AND WE'LL GO ON TO SUGGEST THAT WE PUT THIS INTO A SURVEY MONKEY PRESENTED TO THE BOARD AS AN ISSUE AND SEE MY ISSUE MEANT TO EVALUATE AS WE GO FORWARD.

SO TRICIA. NOW YOU CAN YEAH. OK, SO SO AT THE CONCLUSION OF OUR LAST MEETING WE HAD REVIEWED SOME OF THE QUANTITATIVE AND QUALITATIVE RESPONSES TO OUR SELF EVALUATION INSTRUMENT. AND SO I WAS TASKED WITH GOING THROUGH THE THREE AREAS OF HIGHEST PRIORITY THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS FELT WAS NEEDED FOR IMPROVEMENT. SO I WENT BACK TO THAT INFORMATION AND I COMPILED INTO WHAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU AS A CHART THE BOLD THE BOLDED WORDS ARE THE CATEGORIES THAT I CAME UP WITH AS FAR AS THEIR RESPONSES WERE CONCERNED. SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I WANTED TO BRING BACK TO THE COMMITTEE FIRST OF TO SEE IF YOU AGREE WITH THOSE CATEGORIES. BUT SECONDLY, WHAT YOU'LL SEE ON THIS CHART IS THAT FOR INSTANCE, UNDER BOARD MEMBER BEHAVIOR ALL THE COMMENTS OR THE THREE HIGHEST PRIORITY NEEDS THAT WAS PRESENTED BY EACH BOARD MEMBER FALL UNDER THAT I THOUGHT FELT UNDER BOARD MEMBER BEHAVIOR IS IN THAT COLUMN. OK, SO THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT WHEN LOOKING AT THIS THIS WAS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY BECAUSE WE HAD AT LEAST NINE COMMENTS OUT OF TWENTY ONE OR SO THAT JUST FELL IN MY OPINION UNDERNEATH BOARD MEMBER BEHAVIOR. THE SECOND HIGHEST AREA WAS TRUST.

THESE WERE THE AT LEAST FIVE COMMON STEPS THAT I WAS ABLE TO AND I FELT COULD BE CATEGORIZED UNDER TRUST. SO HIGHEST PRIORITY BOARD MEMBER BEHAVIOR.

SECOND HIGHEST PRIORITY TRUST. THEN WHEN I WAS ANALYZING THIS I LOOKED AT THE OTHER AREAS YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE WERE TWO COMMENTS ABOUT GOALS. THERE TO COMMENT ABOUT COMMUNITY AND THERE WERE TWO COMMENTS ABOUT EXPERIENCE. SO I WAS I COULD NOT DETERMINE ON MY WHAT I THOUGHT WAS THE THIRD HIGHEST PRIORITY BECAUSE THERE WERE THREE AREAS THAT ALL RECEIVED TWO COMMENTS DATA AND LEADERSHIP ONLY RECEIVED ONE COMMENT EACH.

SO AGAIN WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT HERE IS WHEN YOU THINK OF THREE HIGHEST PRIORITIES BOARD MEMBER BEHAVIOR. IF YOU AGREE WITH THE TITLE THAT CATEGORIZATION TRUST AND

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DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. SO DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WELL, ARE NOW THE QUESTION OF MY LAB WAS SOMEONE THAT WAS IS THE SURVEY MONKEY JUST GO

LOOK AT THAT. >> DEVISE QUESTIONS. CORDINGLEY OR DO WE HAVE TO MAKE THESE QUESTIONS OUT? WE HAD TO MAKE THE QUESTIONS UP TO PAY FOR THE SURVEY MONKEY INTO THE SURVEY MONKEY. YEAH, RIGHT. MR. PANEL, AS I RECALL FROM OUR LAST MEETING WE WERE GOING TO TAKE THESE COMMENTS. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU AGREE THAT WHAT I PUT UNDERNEATH THESE CATEGORIES THAT THE COMMITTEE AGREES WITH THAT THE PLACEMENT IS CORRECT. SECONDLY, I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO COMPARE THESE TO SOME OF THE QUANTITATIVE DATA TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT IT LINED UP.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS ONE OF OUR TASKS FOR TODAY. SO FOR INSTANCE, WHEN WE GO BACK TO THE QUANTITATIVE DATA WHICH WAS YOU KNOW THAT THE ANALYSIS RIGHT.

YOU KNOW WE WERE GOING TO LOOK AT THE THREE LOWEST NUMBERS AND JUST SEE IF IT MELDS WITH THE THE FREE RESPONSE THAT WE CAME UP WITH. AND THEN CONSIDER THAT WE JUST GAVE YOU THE TASK OF COMING UP WITH THE BUT WITH THAT. BUT I MEAN WE CAN DO THAT RIGHT

NOW. >> RIGHT. RIGHT.

NO, I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS MY TASK EITHER. I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE GOING TO KIND OF DO TODAY. YOU WANT TO DO IT NOW? YES, SIR.

I JUST I DON'T THINK WE USERS CAN TRUST YOUR JUDGMENT. I MEAN I'VE GOT WOULD YOU LOOK AT IT EASY? BUT THAT'S NOT THE LOWEST ONE STAGE ROLLOUT WAS ONE POINT EIGHT AND UNDER LET'S SAY UNDER WHICH MANAGEMENT ARE UNDER AMONGST THE BOARD.

>> MEANWHILE, THERE WAS A ONE POINT EIGHT UNDER PUBLIC MEETING.

>> WE PUBLIC MEETING BOARD MEMBERS QUESTION NUMBER THREE PUBLIC MEETING.

THERE IT IS. THREE. QUESTION NUMBER THREE IS BOARD MEETINGS WERE RUN EFFICIENTLY. PEOPLE STILL SEEM TO THINK DOES THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN AND OUR LAST BOARD MEETING WE HAD A DISCUSSION ON THAT. RIGHT.

AND SO IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THE CHART THAT I MADE THAT TALKS ABOUT BOARD MEMBER BEHAVIOR UNDERNEATH THERE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE LIKE THE SECOND ROW PERCEPTION OF IN-DEPTH DISCUSSIONS AS OFF TOPIC COMING TO MEETINGS PREPARED ASKING QUESTIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED. LENGTHY MEETINGS LEAD TO INEFFICIENT CONVERSATION SESSIONS. TO ME THAT LINES RIGHT UP WITH INEFFICIENT WITH THAT LOW SCORE OF ONE POINT EIGHT. YEAH, IT IS BEING ABOUT A COUPLE OF THOSE THINGS.

LEANING ONE WAY WHICH IS I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU SAY FISH AND WE TALKING TIME SENSITIVE OR WE'RE TALKING WILLIAMS HANDS AT PRECISELY PRECISE OPERATION. RIGHT.

WELL WELL DONE SMITH. YEAH. LAUGHS AFTER A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. OUR NUMBER IS TALKING ABOUT HOW HOW HOW COULD THESE THINGS BE I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY POLISHED STORE OR HOW COULD THESE THINGS BE MEASURED? I THINK THAT WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT TECHNICALLY SPEAKING THAT THAT WE DECIDED THEY SAID THOSE WERE THINGS THAT COULD NOT REALLY REALISTICALLY BE MEASURED BECAUSE HOW YOU SEE IT IS OR MAY NOT BE HOW I YOU KNOW. AND WE TALK ABOUT POLISHING THE POLISHING THESE THINGS OR OR TALKING ABOUT RUBBER THE CORRECT OR NOT I STILL DID THAT. THEY'RE GREAT AREAS. YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE ABOUT WELL THEY'RE JUST THERE ARE A LOT OF GRAY AREA SIDE. I JUST KNEW THAT THAT WOULD DO THAT. WE SHOULD FOCUS ON THINGS THAT ARE NOT GRAY AREAS AND THINGS THAT THAT WE COULD THAT WAS THE. THAT'S WHAT THAT IS IN THE REALM OF OUR CONTROL. THANKS. DO.

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>> IT'S MORE DESIGNED AS A SELF VIEW COMPONENT. WELL, WE LOOK AT IT, WE GRADE IT ACCORDINGLY OR ANSWER THE SURVEY MONKEY ACCORDINGLY AND THEN WE JUST GIVE WHERE THE RESULTS WERE ON A SURVEY MONKEY AND PEOPLE LOOK AT IT AND GO GO FORWARD AND NO, NO.

I MEAN I RAN INTO AN ADDITIONAL PUNISHMENT THAT CORRECTIVE MEASURES GOT TO BE SELF-IMPOSED . WE'RE JUST HIGHLIGHTING WHAT'S POSSIBLE.

CORRECTIONS AS THE ENTIRE BOARD SEES IT ARE NEEDED NOW. >> I STEP AWAY FROM THAT WOULD BE JUST TO LEAVE THAT THERE AS CRISP AS TRICIA HAS PRESENTED. AND PRESENT THAT TO THE BOARD AND YOU LOOK AT IT AND YOU KIND OF SELF POLICE BUT WE SUGGESTING THAT EVERY MEETING WE DO THIS AND THAT GIVES A LITTLE FINER, FINER DETAILS TO THEM BECAUSE YOU CAN LOOK AT IT NOW AND SAY WELL HOW DID THAT MEETING GO? I'M GONNA LOOK AT EVERY MEETING AS A WAY OF IMPROVING WHAT WENT ON THE LAST MEETING THAT WE CAN MAKE.

THE PERSON WHO WAS SUPPOSEDLY NOT FOLLOWING SOME OF THESE SUGGESTED IDEAS FOLLOW THEM.

WE'RE JUST SAYING THIS IS WHAT THE ENTIRE BOARD THINKS ABOUT THAT AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S IS NO WAY THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY DUPLICATE OR ACTUALLY POLICING ON IT.

>> WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GO TO DISCUSS IT AND HOPEFULLY SUGGEST THAT GOOD STEWARDSHIP WILL PRESENT IMPROVEMENT. THAT'S MY TAKE ON IT. ANY ANY COMMENT? TRICIA? YEAH, I ABSOLUTELY THINK THAT THE IDEA BEHIND THE MONKEY SURVEY WAS JUST HIMSELF REFLECTION AT THE END OF EVERY MEETING.

BUT BASED ON THE LOWEST SCORES AND OR FREE RESPONSES THAT WE GOT.

SO YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE STRONGER CORRELATION WE CAN MAKE BETWEEN THE LOW SCORES AND THE FREE RESPONSE IS THE STRONGER THAT THE BOARD WILL SEE AS AS THIS INSTRUMENT IS IS VALID. AND SO WHEN WE TAKE THE INSTRUMENT AGAIN WE MIGHT SEE SOME IMPROVEMENT. SO I THOUGHT THAT IF TODAY IF WE WENT THROUGH SOME OF THE LIKE THE FIVE OR SIX LOWEST SCORES ON YOUR QUANTITATIVE CHART, WE CAN SEE WHERE THEY ALIGN WITH THE FREE RESPONSE AND THEN WE CAN DETERMINE FROM THERE WHAT ARE THREE MAJOR QUESTIONS OR AREAS OF IMPORTANCE ARE GOING TO BE FOR THE SURVEY MONKEY YOU GIVE OUT ONE. ONE IN TERMS OF EFFICIENCY OF THE BOARD MEETING WHICH COVERS A BROAD YELLOW ROOM. WHERE DO YOU WANT ME TO START HERE AT MANAGEMENT AND WHERE DO WHERE DO YOU WANT ME TO START? SO IT WAS THE LOWEST IN MANAGEMENT VERY MANAGEMENT IS NOT TO POINT SEVEN IS THE LOWEST. THAT'S NUMBER.

LET'S START THERE'LL BE ONE WE COULD USE THE TWO POINT SEVEN AND THAT NUMBER IS 73.

SO LET ME GET TO 73. WHAT'S THE QUESTION? SO THE BOARD IS LAST RIGHT HERE THE BOARD. I'LL MOVE IT OVER THE BOARD ADOPTED 73 ACHIEVEMENT GAPS.

SEVENTY THREE IS ON BOARD ADOPTED A POLICY PARENT AND PUBLIC RELATIONS INVOLVEMENT

WHICH IS REFERENCED IN REVIEW. >> DO HAVE POLICY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WORK WHETHER IT WOULD WORK. THAT CATEGORY FALLS ON THE TERMS OF IS OUT.

I THINK IT FELL UNDER OR I THOUGHT I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT IT FAILED.

PHIL KIND OF UNDER THE COMMUNITY AROUND IT. YOU KNOW, FOCUS FOCUS ON OUR

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OKAY. RIGHT. BUT THAT'S A THAT'S NOT ONE OF OUR LOWEST. A TWO POINT SEVEN. SO I THINK THAT WE COULD GO ON TO LOOK AT MAYBE SOME THAT ARE LOWER. OH YEAH.

I DON'T KNOW THE MAGNITUDE. GO AHEAD. I DID MANY THEN.

NOW. >> WELL WELL ACTUALLY YOU KNOW IF YOU LOOK AT NUMBER UNDER GOAL RELATED RESULTS TO LOOK TO THE GOAL RELATED RESULTS, IS THAT ON THE CHART OR IS THAT

YOUR FREE RESPONSE? >> ON THAT CHART. OK.

LET ME MOVE IT OVER AND THAT GOT A ONE POINT THREE ERIKA AT ONE POINT THREE AND THAT IS QUESTION NUMBER EIGHTY SIX. SO IF YOU LOOK AT QUESTION NUMBER EIGHTY STEPS IT HAS THE BOARD ELIMINATED ACHIEVEMENT GAPS BETWEEN STUDENTS AT ALL GRADE LEVELS AND ALL ETHNIC RACIAL, GENDER, DISABILITY AND SOCIOECONOMIC GROUP. SO SO THAT'S A PRETTY LOW SCORE . BUT WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO THE FREE RESPONSE THERE WERE ONLY TWO RESPONSES THAT HAD TO DO WITH GOALS BUT BUT THAT WAS ONE OF OUR VERY LOWEST SCORES.

SO I THINK THAT HAS SOME VALIDITY BECAUSE IT WAS MENTIONED PRIORITIES.

BUT IT WAS OUR LOWEST SCORE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD SURVEY MONKEY FOCUSED.

YES, I AGREE. AND THAT'S THAT'S A DEAL AND DEAL.

ONE OF YOUR CATEGORIES, RIGHT? GOALS I MEAN. YEAH THAT'S IN THE GOALS RIGHT . WHEN WE LOOK AT DO THAT. OKAY.

GOALS YOU GET TO FOCUS THERE RIGHT. RIGHT.

OKAY. SO YEAH WE NEED A QUESTION IN THAT CATEGORY.

ALL RIGHT. GREAT. SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD ONE TO FOCUS ON BECAUSE THAT WAS I THINK A ONE POINT THREE WAS ABSOLUTELY ONE OF OUR LOWEST SCORES. SO THAT IS A QUESTION. THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS IT? TIPPETT GO QUESTION THOUGH WE WOULD PLACE IN THE SURVEY A MARKET THAT WOULD REFLECT ON THE PAST MEETINGS DO THE RISK THE MOST RECENT MEETING AND INCLUDE THE ANSWERS SO THAT THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO SCORED THAT POORLY RUNS DOWN. MY QUESTION.

YES I DID SAY IT AGAIN WHEN WE LOOK AT HOW DO WE PLACE A QUESTION IN THE SURVEY MONKEY? THAT WOULD BE RELEVANT. 2 TO THE CONCERNS OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO SCORED THAT AND

ALMOST EVERYBODY DID SCORE THAT POORLY. >> RIGHT.

RIGHT. AND IT WAS NOTED IN THE FREE RESPONSE THAT IT WAS AN AREA OF CONCERN. SO IT WOULDN'T I THINK I THINK M. IT WOULD LOOK YOU KNOW, THE SURVEY MONKEY QUESTION WOULD LOOK SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF I THINK THEY SHOULD BE YES AND NO QUESTIONS REPORT FOR. YEAH. ALTHOUGH ALTHOUGH WE DID TALK LAST LAST MEETING DIDN'T WE TALK ABOUT DOING ON A ONE TO FIVE JUSTICE SAME WAY AS THAT.

YES YES YES YES YES. IT NEEDED HAD THE SAME RATING AND TO SEE IF IT WENT UP OR DOWN. RIGHT. SO I DON'T KNOW I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS AND I WAS WONDERING WHAT IT WOULD THERE BE SOME ADVANTAGE TO JUST REPEATING THAT EXACT SAME QUESTION NUMBER EIGHTY SIX ON THE SURVEY MONKEY INSTEAD OF REWORDING IT TO MEAN SOMETHING DIFFERENT. I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST USING THE SAME THING I WAS WORRIED.

LET ME SAY AGAIN IT SAYS LET'S SAY MAY MOVE OVER THE BOARD ELIMINATED ACHIEVEMENT GAPS BETWEEN STUDENTS AT ALL GRADE LEVELS AND OF ALL ETHNIC, RACIAL, GENDER, DISABILITY AND

SOCIOECONOMIC GROUP INGRID'S HANDS UP. >> YEAH BUT THIS CERTAINLY DOES ALLOW AGREED TO LANGUAGE OK. SO ONE THING I HAVE SO I'VE BEEN DOING A LOT READING AND RESEARCHING COHERENT GOVERNANCE BECAUSE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW IT ALL WORKS WITH THIS AND ONE THING WITH THIS THE BOARD ELIMINATED THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP. THAT'S OPERATIONAL.

RIGHT. AND I THINK IF WE FOCUS A LITTLE BIT ON HOW WE PHRASE

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OPERATIONAL AND IT DOESN'T REALLY GO TO SELF-EVALUATION. >> WELL, YOU KNOW THAT THAT POINT IS TRUE. BUT YOU KNOW, I I MAKE A COMMENT ON SAYS WE'RE DOING THIS EVERY MONDAY AFTER EACH MEETING EACH BOARD MEMBER PROBABLY GO REFLECT ON HOW THAT MEETING RESPONDED TO THE LEAD OF THE QUESTION. RIGHT.

AND SO IF THAT'S OUR GOAL IS IF WE'RE SAYING THAT WHAT WE WANT PEOPLE TO REFLECT ON IS WHETHER OR NOT THE BOARD ELIMINATED THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP. IT'S NEVER GOING TO SCORE WELL.

RIVAL YOU KNOW, I AGREED THAT THE QUESTION HAS TO BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT TO MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE THE BOARD FOCUSED ON BEATING OUT OF THE BOARD THAT DREADED IF THEY GIVE IT UP IF YOU'RE DEALING WITH RECENT MEMORY. HOW DID THAT MEETING ADDRESS THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP MADE IF THERE WAS SOMETHING OUTLINED ON TEST SCHOOLS ETC. AND REFLECTS YOU KNOW THE SUBGROUPS THEN POSITIVE AND SO A POSITIVE RESPONSE WOULD BE EXPECTED WITH SOME MEETINGS WE DON'T TALK ABOUT OR AT ALL YOU KNOW, ONE OF THEIR PEERS A ONE PAST BOARD MEMBER WHO HAS BEEN ON TALK OF BOTH SCHOOL ACHIEVEMENT EVERY EXCUSE ME WE TALK A LOT ABOUT THE OTHER STUFF. FINE. MASON YEAH.

MAYBE WE'RE LOOKING AT A POST MEETING SURVEY MONKEY JUST THINKING ABOUT THE BOARD.

SPENCE SUFFICIENT TIME ADDRESSING STUDENT ACHIEVEMENT. MIGHT BE A BETTER WAY OF SAYING YES, THAT'S WHAT I WAS IN THAT KIND OF QUESTION THAT WOULD MAKE PEOPLE REFLECT THAT.

OK. WE AVOIDED THAT PARTICULAR SPECIFIC AREA THIS TIME AND THAT MEET IN OUR MEETING. WE CANNOT DO THAT CONTINUALLY. WE DO EXPECT LONG TERM TO ADDRESS THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP. RIGHT. SO I DON'T WE'RE EVER GONNA HAVE A FIVE ON ELIMINATING THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP AND THEN YOU KNOW, I'M AND I'M NOT LOOKING FOR THAT. WE'RE LOOKING FOR FOR THE FOCUS AND THE FACT THAT THE BOARD'S GOING TO BE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION OF IMPROVING ITS EFFICIENCY.

AND FROM THE MEETING GOING FORWARD IN THE MEETING KIND OF DRIVES OR AT LEAST THIS PUBLIC WELL OUR FOCUS IS ON AS A BOARD. YEAH.

SO YEAH. YEAH I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE RIGHT INGRID? WHEN WE HAD OUR LAST MEETING WE WERE WE DID NOT EVEN BEGIN TO COMPILE THE WORDING FOR THE SURVEY MONKEY. IT WAS JUST A DECISION LIKE HEY, THAT MIGHT BE A REALLY GOOD TOOL. SO I JUST I JUST BROUGHT THAT THOUGHT UP FOR A DISCUSSION POINT AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE SIMPLER AND MORE SUCCINCT WE MAKE THAT THE SURVEY MONKEY QUESTION THE BETTER. SO YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS SPOT ON AND THAT MIGHT BE A VERY GOOD QUESTION THE WAY YOU WORDED THAT TO PUT TOWARD THIS ONE GOAL QUESTION IS NO. I THINK THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE SCOUT SURVEY MONKEY QUESTIONS THAT KEEPS THE BOARD WE'RE REMINDED OF . WHAT WE DID BUT ALL FOCUS IS LONG TERM.

AND NOW THE QUESTION AND THE QUESTION IS BASED ON ON THE DATA THAT WE RECEIVED BACK AND HAD A LOW SCORE AND IT WAS NOTED IN THE FREE RESPONSE. ALL RIGHT.

YEAH, SO. SO TO GO WITH THAT PARTICULAR. YEAH.

THAT QUESTION FOR ONE OF THE FIVE AND AS ASSIGNED TOPIC IS ABOUT AS WE GO FORWARD OVER TIME CAN THESE SURVEY MONKEY QUESTIONS BE CHANGED? YES.

>> OKAY. FOR EXAMPLE WE SEE THE NEED TO ELIMINATE ONE OF THOSE BECAUSE WE HAVE YOU KNOW OVER TIME NAVIGATING THE COURSE AND NEED TO BRING A ANOTHER QUESTION AN

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LIKE THAT. EVENTUALLY IT MIGHT GO AWAY. >> OKAY.

SO IF THAT CAN HAPPEN DOES GO FORWARD WITH THE NEXT LOWEST SCORE.

I HAVE A COUPLE I HAVE A QUESTION. SO.

SO WHAT WOULD BE THE QUESTION? I WAS TRYING TO LOG BACK IN. WHAT IS THE QUESTION? WHAT WE DECIDE ON A QUESTION EIGHTY SIX ARE WE? HOW ARE WE REPHRASING AND GOOD

PHRASE THE AS SIMPLY AS I THINK WE NEED TO THANK YOU. >> WITH THOSE WORDS AGAIN, INGRID I THINK THE ONE THAT WE KIND OF WERE AND I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT MR. SMITH HAS HIS HAND UP AND HE MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ON THIS TOPIC. MY THOUGHT WAS SOMETHING LIKE DID THE BOARD FOCUS ON ADEQUATELY FOCUS ON STUDENT ACHIEVEMENT? RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S VERY SUCCINCT AND I THINK WE JUST WE'RE GOING TO DO A ONE THROUGH FIVE NOT A YES OR NO. SO IF SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES THE BOARD FOCUSED ON STUDENT ACHIEVEMENT THE OTHER THING IS ON THIS AND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MR. SMITH'S COMMENTS AS WELL IS ONE OF THE I'VE BEEN READING BOOKS ON CAREER

GOVERNMENTS. >> ONE OF THE THINGS THEY SUGGEST AS A RATING SYSTEM IS ABOUT REASONABLE PROGRESS TO SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT AS OPPOSED TO YOU KNOW, DID WE MAKE REASONABLE PROGRESS, REASONABLE PROGRESS WITH EXCEPTIONS OR NOT MAKING REASONABLE PROGRESS WHICH MIGHT BE A YOU KNOW, MIGHT BE A REASONABLE WAY TO TO PHRASE THE SURVEY MONKEY QUESTIONS. WE'RE GOING TO DO THOSE THINGS. ADDRESS THAT THE FIVE JUSTICES WOULD THIS WHETHER WE'RE MAKING REASONABLE PROGRESS RELATED TO THE ONE POINT SEVEN THAT WE GRADED BEFORE I MADE IS THAT WE DO THAT SURVEY MONKEY MEETINGS AND THE AVERAGE SCORE WAS THREE POINT 0 THEN YEAH, WE'RE MAKING REASONABLE PROGRESS. I MEAN THAT'S I MEAN THAT'S I THINK THAT'S THE INTERPRETATION THAT WILL COME AFTER WE GET AFTER WE GET SOME SOME CONCRETE RESULTS IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE. WHAT I'M SAYING I'M SAYING REASONABLE PROGRESS HAS GOTTA BE TO. I AGREE 100 PERCENT DRY TIME PERIOD. OKAY. WELL Y YEAH.

>> YEAH REASONABLY WELL. YEAH I AGREE THAT REASONABLE PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE OVER TIME. BUT I KNOW THOSE OTHER QUESTIONS WERE THE ONE THAT SHE SAID THE BLAST QUESTION ABOUT RIVER. WE ACTUALLY FOCUSED ON THE THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP. I THINK THAT'S A VALID QUESTION FOR THAT MEETING BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE DO GET WE DO GET TO INVOLVE IN THE THINGS THAT WE PROMOTE MORE EMPHASIS ON CERTAIN THINGS AND THEN WE DO OTHERS. BUT ALSO NEEDLESS TO SAY I THINK THAT RAISING A QUESTION AND I WAS AND ACTUALLY WAS THAT AN ACTUAL QUESTION ABOUT THE

CHAIR WITHOUT AN ACTUAL QUESTION KNOWN AS EXAMPLE OF . >> OK.

OBJECT. LET HIM TALK ABOUT EVENTUALLY ELIMINATING SOMETHING THAT THAT HAS SHOWN REASONABLE PROGRESS WITH RIBAUT THE. WE WE HAVE SHOWN THAT ONE OF THE FIVE TOPICS CAN'T WE ELIMINATED. THAT WAS MY QUESTION AND THAT WAS AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT MIGHT MEET THE PROGRESS THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

AND ALTHOUGH I ACCEPT BECAUSE I REMEMBER THAT YOU AND YOU ARE A SAID AND SERVES ME CORRECTLY I THINK THAT YOU AND MRS. FINNERTY DIDN'T WANT TO BE TOO DARYN DIRECT WHEN IT COMES TO ONE TITULAR POSITION MORE AND MORE OFFICERS AND I WAS GOING TO JUST DISRUPT OUR DISRUPT MIGHT WANT TO RE WE WORD THAT. THAT'S NOT A QUESTION. THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I RESIGN WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS THAT ONE WILL I'M LOOKING FOR FOR IS IN TERMS OF IN TERMS OF SURVEY MONKEY

QUESTIONS. >> OK SO WHAT WE'RE DOING BUSINESS WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE TOGETHER THOSE TRYING TO DEVISE A QUESTION THAT WOULD BEST MEET THE NEEDS OF THAT OF THAT ASSESSMENT WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, VERY LOW ASSESSMENT NUMBER RIGHT NOW.

THAT WAS WHAT'S THE LOWEST ONE I'VE DONE A ONE POINT A TO POINT RIBAUT THAT ONE WAS A ONE POINT THREE. SO THAT WAS OUR LOWEST. ALL RIGHT.

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>> AND THEN THERE IS ANOTHER. THERE'S A ONE POINT EIGHT. >> YES.

NUMBER THREE. I WAS WONDERING, YOU KNOW, WELL WHY WAS THE EFFICIENCY OF THE BOARD MEETING? RIGHT. I MEAN THAT WAS UNDER QUESTION ,MARY IS YOU KNOW WHERE IS THAT ROBIN? QUESTION NUMBER THREE QUESTION NUMBER THREE IS MEETING PUBLIC MEETING AND THIS IS BOARD MEETING RUN EFFICIENTLY.

YEAH. SO A GOOD QUESTION. WAS THE MEETING WHEN IS SO THAT IS UNDER UNDER YOUR GULP? THAT WOULD BE YOUR CHART WHICH WOULD BE THE COMMUNITY ON THIS

ONE. >> I MEAN I WAS REREADING IT AND LOOKING AT IT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, UNDER BOARD MEMBER BEHAVIOR IN MY OPINION A LOT OF THOSE ARE RELATED TO EFFICIENT OR INEFFICIENT MEETINGS AS WITH AND OR LEADERSHIP AND OR DATA OF DRIVEN ANALYSIS. I MEAN A BUNCH OF STUFF THAT COULD BE COVERED WITH REGULATION. YEAH. AND ACTUALLY AND NOW THINKING ABOUT THIS AND AND COMPARING THE FREE RESPONSE TO THE QUANTITATIVE RESPONSES MAYBE THAT CATEGORY TITLE SHOULD NOT BE BOARD MEMBER BEHAVIOR BUT SHOULD BE SOMETHING ABOUT PUBLIC MEETING. YOU KNOW I MEAN THAT'S MY LIMIT.

WELL THE SAME REALLY THAT WE HAVE. ALL RIGHT.

THE RIGHT. SO THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO CHANGE THAT COLUMN TO LIKE PUBLIC MEETING AND THEN IT REALLY LINES UP VERY WELL WITH OUR SECOND LOWEST SCORE BECAUSE ALL THESE THINGS HAVE TO DO WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING DURING A PUBLIC MEETING.

SO THAT MIGHT BE A MUCH BETTER CATEGORY TITLE YOU GAVE YOU HAVE WILLIAMS HANDS PERSON THEN

IN BRITAIN WILLIAM R. THOUGHT ABOUT IT. >> I'M A GOOD COULD I ALSO

SUGGEST RANDOM PUBLIC MEETING? >> WE COULD SAY BOARD EFFECTIVENESS WITHOUT TAKE IT

OFF MEMBER BEHAVIOR. >> WELL YEAH. I MEAN THE THING ABOUT BOARD EFFECTIVENESS IS NOW COVER ALL THE CATEGORIES MASTER THE YOU KNOW WELL AND YOU KNOW WHAT IS

THEIR BOARD MEETING EFFECTIVENESS? >> I DON'T MEAN TO COMPLICATE.

I JUST WASN'T SURE YOU GUYS WERE TIME A PUBLIC MEETING. IF THAT WOULD YOU KNOW I'M GOOD WITH WHATEVER BOARD EFFECTIVENESS POPPED INTO MY HEAD.

>> YOU KNOW IT HAS ALL THE OTHER CATEGORIES OF INDICATING THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE BOARD.

TRUST THOSE COMMUNITY ALL THAT STUFF IS BOARD EFFECTIVENESS. AND THIS PARTICULAR QUESTION IS MORE ON HOW THE MEETING WAS RUN AND HOW WE REALLY PERFORM AND FOR THE PUBLIC GUYS IN TERMS OF THEIR EFFECTIVENESS. SO IT'S MORE PERCEPTION EFFECTIVENESS THAN WHAT IS BOARD EFFECTIVENESS BECAUSE WILL EFFECTIVENESS DOES IT LEAD TO ACHIEVEMENT GAP AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT'S OCCURRING? ASIDE FROM THAT TO OUR MEETING, LET'S SHOW.

>> NOW. YEAH. SOMETHING RELATIVE TO THAT.

BUT IN TERMS OF PERCEPTION BOLA TOTAL REALITY. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> SO I THINK THIS COLUMN DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE CHANGED IN THE WAY I'M SEEING THIS CHART WITH THE FREE RESPONSE ON IT IS KIND OF A OK. NO WAY TO USE IT AS CREATIVE AREA FOR HOW YOU ANSWER THE SURVEY MONKEY. SO IF SOMEONE LOOKS AT WHATEVER. QUESTION NUMBER THREE WHICH SCORED A ONE POINT EIGHT.

AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE BOARD MEETINGS WERE RUN EFFICIENTLY. THEN YOU GO BACK TO SOME OF THIS CHART AND AND YOU KNOW ,MR. CAMPBELL IS KIND OF LIKE A NOT A RUBRIC AS MUCH AS IT'S

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SO I SEE THAT THAT THIS CHART HAS TO BE IN TANDEM WITH THE SURVEY MONKEY AS A WAY OF HOW

TO ANSWER IT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> HE MAKES SENSE BUT ARE YOU INTERNALLY THAT THE BOARD MEMBER DOES INTERNALIZE THIS STUFF OR YOU WILL HAVE SOME KIND OF CHEAT SHEET TO DO REMIND THEM OF HOW THEY SHOULD ANSWER?

>> WELL, I THINK THAT MAYBE THIS THIS WOULD BE YOU AS LONG AS YOU AS LONG AS WE ALL AGREE THAT THIS CHARTS HAS THE RIGHT WORDING AND THE WAY WE WANT TO PRESENT IT.

YOU KNOW, I THINK WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO ANSWER A QUESTION ABOUT NUMBER THREE SAYS THE BOARD BOARD MEETING WERE RUN EFFICIENTLY, OK? SO WHATEVER SURVEY MONKEY QUESTION WE COME UP WITH TO ADDRESS THAT. SO THEN YOU COULD SAY TO YOURSELF, WELL, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT IT WAS RUN EFFICIENTLY? WELL, YOU GO BACK TO THE CHART AND SAY OK, DID PEOPLE LISTEN OR PAY ATTENTION AND DIDN'T ASK QUESTIONS HAD ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED, OK? SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS LEADING TO AN INEFFICIENT BOARD MEETING. SO I JUST I SEE IT AS A SUPPORTING DOCUMENT TO HELP THINK ABOUT HOW TO ANSWER THE SURVEY MONKEY QUESTIONS.

THAT IS LITERALLY SAYING I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHETHER THAT SUPPORTED DOCUMENT CAN BE CURRENTLY PLACED RIGHT THERE AS A BOARD MEMBER ANSWERED IN THE SURVEY MONKEY OR THERE'S A BOARD MEMBER I HAVE TO HAVE A CONCEPTUAL IDEA WHAT'S A DEFICIENT MEETING OR NOT? WITHOUT THE SUPPORT EVIDENCE THERE I MEAN WE ALL OUGHT TO KNOW YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WHAT THEY'RE SUPPORTING THE EVIDENCE AHEAD OF TIME. RIGHT.

OR ELSE WE DIRECTING YOU KNOW, YOUR IDEAS THAT DIFFERENCE BY TAKING THE DIFFERENCE AND DEVELOPING THE BEST. THE STUDENT OF MINE IN THIS CASE IS I DON'T WANT TO DIRECT THE ANSWERS. I WANT YOU TO PULL OUT THE ANSWERS FROM WHAT YOUR

EXPERIENCES HAVE BEEN. >> RIGHT. RIGHT.

I HEAR EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND WHAT I'M JUST TRYING TO DO IS MAKE SURE WE'RE USING DATA AND THE DATA IN WHATEVER FORM IT LOOKS LIKE THE LOW SCORES OR THE FREE RESPONSE TO HELP TO HELP KEEP THINGS VALID AND CONSISTENT SO THAT WHEN THIS WHEN THIS INSTRUMENT IS TAKEN AGAIN NEXT YEAR IT'S LIKE OK. SO THIS WAS SOME THE DATA THAT WAS THAT WAS THIS QUESTION WAS BASED ON. SO.

SO MEL, I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE BOARD TO SEE BOTH SETS OF DATA THAT THE FREE RESPONSE AND THE QUANTITATIVE DATA AGAIN SEE HOW IT ALL CAME TOGETHER.

>> SO WHAT ARE YOU SUGGESTING? THE THREE I MEAN AND THEN A QUESTION I SHOULD SAY SO WILL WE USE IT? WELL, WE USE THE SAME QUESTION AGAIN.

I GOT ONE I GUESS YOU COULD ADD YOU KNOW, WAS I MEAN THE MOST. WELL, YOU'VE GOT A TENSE MOST RECENT TENSE I GUESS IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SO WE'RE GOING TO BE ABOUT THE MEETING

WE JUST HAD AS OPPOSED TO ALL THE MEETINGS. >> ALL RIGHT.

SO YEAH, I I DON'T VIEW THAT QUESTION COULD BE ADEQUATE FOR THAT PARTICULAR CATEGORY.

>> I THINK SO ALSO YOU KNOW, HAD A BOARD MEETING WAS RUN EFFICIENTLY.

YEAH. AND DO YOU REFLECT ON WHAT HAPPENED DURING THE MEETING HERE? THEY GOT THE KNOW YOUR QUANTITATIVE ASSESSMENT OF WHAT WHAT IT SHOULD BE THEN. SYBIL ANSWER FAIRLY RIGHT. LET ME.

ANY COMMENT? INGRID WILL APPLAUD. OK.

I'M OK. I'M JUST TAKING THE WESTERNIZED LOWEST ONE WE GO.

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>> A ONE POINT NINE PARTIALLY. I DO HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CAMPBELL.

YES, SIR. HOW ARE WE GOING TO OUTSMART? HOW ARE WE GOING TO INVOLVE THE COMMUNITY INTO THE SURVEY AS WELL INTO WHAT WILL BE THE TO GOING AWAY? LOOK, I MEAN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INVOLVING IN THE COMMUNITY.

>> IS THERE A IS BY BY HAVING QUESTIONS RELATIVE TO THE COMMUNITY? SORRY BUT BUT THIS IS ABSOLUTELY THE BOARD SAYS WE EVALUATION TOOL TOOLS SO WE LOOK AT IT INTERNALLY. ALL RIGHT. AND WE'RE ACTUALLY AT THE COMMITTEE AS IN ARE WE MORE IN TERMS OF ARE WE GETTING THE COMMUNITY MORE INVOLVED IN MEETINGS BECAUSE AT SOME POINT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT TOO

AS WELL AND AS A BOARD. >> ARE WE GETTING THE INFORMATION TO THE COMMUNITY? BECAUSE ONE THING FOR THE SUPERINTENDENT TO DO IT BUT IT'S NOTHING FOR THE BOARD TO ACTUALLY GET THE INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL AND GET A DID NEEDED TO REALLY DIG DILEMMA COMPONENT ON COMMUNITY RELATIONS. RIGHT.

OK. AND THOSE SCHOOLS CAME BACK PRETTY GOOD.

I MEAN I WANT TO PULL OUT THAT SCREEN BACK UP PROBLEM FOR US. WELL, YEAH.

THE COMMUNITY. YEAH. THERE IT IS RIGHT THERE.

THE LOWEST ONE WAS NO. WHAT'S DONE IS DONE. THE LAST ONE WAS A TWO POINT TWO QUESTION WEEK WHICH WAS EIGHT. THAT'S THE ONE WE PASSED PROBABLY OUR NEXT FOCUS QUESTION ANYWAY WILL 58. SO MORE THE BOARD WILL HANDLE CONFLICT OPENLY AND CONSTRUCTIVELY RATHER TOO MUCH TO DO TO BOARD TO COMMUNITY CONFLICT. BUT THAT'S ALL A MATTER OF PERCEPTION TOO OPENLY AND CONSTRUCTIVELY SOMETIMES WE DO HAVE CONFLICT WITH THE COMMUNITY.

AND IT'S NOT AT ALL OPENLY AND CONSTRUCTIVELY LEAST LIKE THE BEHIND THE SCENES THING AND WE ARE BORED HERE BY DEADLY STUFF LIKE THAT. THE BATS.

THAT'S THE ONE THING. ALL RIGHT. A NUMBER OF OTHER QUESTIONS.

THERE WERE COMMUNITY BOARD RELATIONSHIP AND THEY SCORED PRETTY GOOD DEALS TOO ON THE QUESTION OF DIDN'T COME BACK VERY POSITIVE. TEAM BUT DO YOU THINK OUR NEXT

THE LOWEST ONE IS ACTUALLY A ONE POINT NINE? >> QUESTION FIFTY SEVEN IN QUESTION. FIFTY SEVEN THE BOARD PROVIDED BIOGRAPHICAL INFORMATION ABOUT ITS MEMBERS. THAT'S A PRETTY EASY FIX AND NOT REALLY WORTH.

>> YOU KNOW THAT'S NOT I DON'T THINK WORTH DOING THE SURVEY. WE CAN JUST EASILY FIX THAT.

YEAH. YEAH. AND THAT'S BEING FIXED BY WORK.

ASK YOU TO FILL OUT THE MEMBERSHIP UPDATE. AND WE WERE GOING TO MAKE A PAMPHLET OUT OF THAT. SO THAT INFORMATION ONCE COMPILED WILL GO ON TO THE WEB SITE. SO THE COMMUNITY AND EVERYONE WOULD HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT THE BOARD PAST THAT ONE. WE ALL AGREED ON THIS. THE EXTENT WILL BE SIX THEN DRIVE OUR OVERALL SCORES UP. THIS ONE FOR THE TWO POINT TO WRITE IT.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THIS CLUB OR THAT ONE OPENLY AND CONSTRUCTIVELY RIGHT.

SO TO ME IT'S ALL ABOUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL PART OF AN EFFICIENT MEETING.

SO IN MY OPINION IT IS BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE CONSTRUCTIVE DISCOURSE. YOU HAVE TO ABIDE BY IT BUT IT CAN'T DEVOLVE INTO YOU KNOW, LIKE LIKE I USED TO SEE IN THE CLASSROOM EYE ROLLING IN AND YOU KNOW, HAS BEHAVIOR HOSTILE

BEHAVIOR. >> RIGHT. I MEAN YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO A IN A IN AN EFFICIENT MEETING. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A WAY TO DISAGREE WITHOUT HAVING THAT

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>> I AGREE WITH THAT. BUT I'M THINKING THAT THIS SURVEY MONKEY QUESTION MIGHT BE OUTSIDE OF THE RHYTHMS OF OF THE RECENT MEETING PUBLIC MEETING THEY DELGADO THOUGH WE HAVE IN THIS SURVEY MONKEY DONE AFTER THAT MEETING WILL HAPPEN IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR EXAMPLE. WELL BUT THE CONFLICT WITH THE ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL ABOUT THE HIGH SCHOOL. HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT? THOSE ARE THINGS THAT GET THAT QUESTION AS WELL TOO BECAUSE IT IS COMMUNITY BOARD RELATIONSHIP MORE SO THAN JUST BOARD RELATIONSHIP WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE PROPERTY DEAL AND LA BIKO THAT'S I THINK THAT'S WHAT THAT QUESTION WAS MORE MORE ABOUT. NOW WE COULD NOW OR TO THE BOARD MEETING IT SO THAT THE ANSWER CAN BE FRESH IN ON THE MIND. BUT I THINK THAT WHEN WE REQUIRES THE BOARD MEMBER TO THINK A LITTLE WILL BE ON WHAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE MEETING, WHAT WENT PAST OR WHAT THAT REPORT REALLY IS INDICATING. SO THAT'S MY TAKE ON THAT.

THAT'S IN IT. >> THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT. SO I THINK THAT THAT MIGHT BE A QUESTION THAT HAS TO BE REWORDED A BIT IN OUR IN THE INSTRUMENT BECAUSE I BET YOU WHEN IT WAS ANSWERED BY BOARD MEMBERS THERE WAS NOT THAT CLARITY OF OF OF IT'S OUTSIDE

THE BOARD MEETING. >> SO. BUT IT'S A VERY, VERY VALID POINT ESPECIALLY TO WHAT MR. SMITH JUST BROUGHT UP ALSO. SO MAYBE THE SURVEY MONKEY QUESTION COULD BE REWRITTEN IN SUCH A WAY AND WE COULD INCLUDE THAT IN THE INSTRUMENT FOR NEXT YEAR. I AGREE WITH YOU. NOW LET ME RIBAUT CALLS YOUR PLACEMENT. SO THIS BE A QUESTION THREE OR FOUR THE SURVEY MONKEY.

WHY WOULD BE A QUESTION 3 3 EVERY MONKEY IS. >> SO THE BOARD HANDLE CONFLICT OPENLY AND CONSTRUCTIVELY. DO WE USE IT? OR HOW DO WE CHANGE THAT? THE SURVEY MONKEY. SO BASED ON WHAT MR. CAMPBELL WAS SAYING WOULD YOU MR. CAMPBELL WOULD YOU SUGGEST SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES AT THE BOARD HANDLED COMMUNITY CONCERNS OPENLY AND CONSTRUCTIVELY? YES.

THAT'S WAY DIFFERENT. >> I MEAN THAT'S I'M SO IT. BUT OR TO CONFLATE IT WITH BEING FROM THE FROM THE THAT TO BE THE WAY THE GRIEVANCES EMPLOYEE GRIEVANCES, YOU KNOW.

YEAH. TO YOU KNOW THE FIRING OF THE SYSTEM AS I SAY JUST GOES THE BAND. ALL RIGHT. ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS HOW WE HANDLE IT WAS IT OPEN AND WAS IT CONSTRUCTIVE DONE OR WAS IT DONE AND YOU KNOW THE STREET FROM OR WAS IT DONE WITH DISCRETION? YOU KNOW THAT'S I THINK WHAT THAT QUESTION IS INTENDED TO BE ABOUT NOW. YES, SIR.

SO SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF THE BOARD CONDUCTED ITS BUSINESS WHERE THE TRANSPARENCY IS SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YES. WHATEVER THAT WHATEVER ELSE GOES WITH TRANSPARENCY. BUT YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF AS WILL WOULD SAY MOVING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST TRANSPARENCY BUT WERE AT THE END THE DEAL THAT WE.

WE HAVE ALREADY SET WITH MORE TRANSPARENCY, MORE INTEGRITY THAT WE WERE WE WERE PROGRESSIVE IN THEIR RESULTS THAT WE COULD GO FORWARD OR THAT WE HAVE A BAD BACK UP WHERE WE LEFT WITH A REVOLVING REVOLVING DOOR AND NOTHING GETS DONE.

>> YOU KNOW THAT WE HANDLED IT. WHERE WE GOING ON FROM NOW? AND THAT'S YOU KNOW, THAT'S

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>> WELL, I THINK YOU DO THE JOB WITH TRANSPARENCY REPORT UNDER THE COVERS ALL.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE CAN PUT IN NOW. >> SO WE HAD THE BOARD CONDUCTED ITS BUSINESS WITH TRANSPARENCY AND THAT WOULD RELATE TO QUESTION NUMBER 58.

PUT IT TO ME THOUGH THE BOARD HANDLE CONFLICT OPENLY AND CONSTRUCTIVELY.

IT WAS REASONABLE. YEAH, BUT CONFLICT IS KEY WORD THERE CONFLICT.

I JUST CAN'T SEE IF YOU IF YOU COVER TRANSPARENCY AND WE DO NINETY SENATOR THING YOU KNOW ON A PERCENTAGE BASIS GRASP WHICH GOOD TRANSPARENCY ARE WE HOW LONG THE CONFLICT CONSTRUCTIVELY ALTHOUGH WE MAY BE HANDLING IT OPENLY AS THERE ARE THINGS WE DON'T HANDLE

OPENLY. >> I MEAN WE DON'T WE JUST DELAY KNOWS WHAT HAPPENS SOMETIMES. WE HAVE TO REALLY ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S QUESTION. I MEAN THERE NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED. YEAH. BUT HOW IS THE CLASSIFIED WORDS

,YOU KNOW, SLIPPING ME RIGHT NOW? >> WELL, MR. CAMPBELL, ARE YOU ALSO SUGGESTING THAT IT'S NOT JUST CONFLICT? IT'S ALSO JUST I MEAN BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE NOT CONFLICT THAT MUST BE DONE OPENLY, CONSTRUCTIVELY AND WITH TRANSPARENCY. YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A CONFLICT.

SO I'M KIND OF TRYING TO HONE IN ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING VISION IN CONFLICT AND THIS CASE DOESN'T MEAN A CONFLICT. IT MEANS BASICALLY CONFLICTING AGENDAS, CONFLICTING ATTITUDES ,CONFLICTING ANYTHING THAT I GUESS THE GREEN YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND THAT'S KIND OF BEST WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT CONFLICT AND I'VE DONE DAYS DURING A BOARD MEETING. RIGHT. THERE IS A CONFLICT BETWEEN THE THE THE OF THE BOARD MEMBER AND AND THE ADMINISTRATORS THAT'S ONE ITEM THAT'S OPENLY DISRUPTIVE WITHIN THEIR OWN COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW, A RELATIONSHIP CONFLICT. RIGHT. YOU SOLD THE FACILITIES AND ARE

DOWN THERE THEN THERE ARE EMPLOYEES CONFLICT. >> ALL OF THOSE THINGS HANDLE

OPENLY AND CONSTRUCTIVELY. >> SO SOMETHING THE BOARD HANDLES ALL CONFLICT INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL OPENLY, CONSTRUCTIVELY AND WITH TRANSPARENCY BY.

THAT'S GREAT. SO WHEN WE SAY ALL CONFLICT THAT ME YOU KNOW, INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL. RIGHT. IS THAT THE BOARD MEETING AMONGST THEMSELVES? BY ALL MEANS. COMMUNITY DEALS WITH THE YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT EMPLOYEES. YOU KNOW, THE STATE REPORTING AGENCIES RULES. DO YOU KNOW ARE WE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND WE ARE CONSTRUCTIVELY TRYING TO MAKE IT BETTER? THOSE ARE THINGS THEM.

AND I THINK YOU COVERED IT ALL WITH THAT STATEMENT. ROBIN, DID YOU GET IT? NOW. ROBIN STEPPED OUT FOR A SECOND .

IT'S NOT MY I TO SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME I HAVE THE BOARD HANDLES OUR CONFLICT INTERNALLY SPLASH EXTERNALLY WITH TRANSPARENCY OPENLY, CONSTRUCTIVELY AND WITH TRANSPARENCY. OK. OPEN MIKE.

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WHAT IF IT'S JUST YOU KNOW, LIKE INFORMATION LIKE FORMATION AND DOES THIS YOU YOUR GREEN

AND YOUR GREEN LIGHT ON THAT? >> THAT'S A LOT OF THIS IS ELI E-MAIL.

WHY? TWO QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, IT WAS WELL NUMBER 1 3 IS THAT I MEAN LET ME SAY HERE LET ME START OFF WITH LET'S OK.

>> SO YOU SAY YOU WANT TO FOCUS, OK? ALL RIGHT.

I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU GO WITH THAT. SO I WOULD BE HAPPY WITH THAT QUESTION ON THE SURVEY MONKEY. THE BOARD HANDLES ALL CONFLICT INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL OPENLY, CONSTRUCTIVELY AND WITH TRANSPARENCY. BECAUSE YOU KNOW I MEAN JUST FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION I THINK WE AGREE TO THAT. WELL, IN TERMS OF OUR QUEST, OUR QUESTIONS, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THEM ON THAT PARTICULAR TOPIC DIRECTLY AND I'LL TAKE ONE. REALLY? OH, MY MOM.

WHICH ONE I COULD LOOK BACK TO FRONT. I WANT TO BRING IT TO THE NEXT

MEETING WITH THE PROBABLY WASN'T A BOARD MEETING. >> NO.

WELL AND FELLOW MEMBER WHICH YOU WANT TO CHARGE IT UP OR DO YOU WANT THE OH I'M LOOKING FOR QUESTION HERE RULE RULE QUESTIONS BACK TO THE BEGINNING RELEVANCE.

OK. SEE OK. THAT'S AGENDA.

I'M LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY TRANSPARENCY. LET'S SAY FOR YOU TYPE QUESTION NUMBER 13 13. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S A FREEDOM RIGHT THERE.

YEAH. OKAY. THERE'S 13 AND I LOOKED AT LOOK AT THE RESULTS ON 13 SO FOUR POINT ONE. ALL RIGHT.

SO YEAH. SO WE YOU KNOW, WE GO ABOUT YOU KNOW WELL AND WE DO WELL WITH THAT. AND BE HONEST WITH YOU I MEAN. YEAH.

WILLIAMS HANDS UP. UNLESS THERE'S A CONFLICT AND WE DON'T ANSWER BECAUSE OF COURSE. BUT THAT'S THE ONE FOR YOU. HE MIGHT NOT ANSWER IF THAT PERSON DOES ANY OF A CONFLICT WITH YOU. OF MY QUESTION ALONG THE LINES TO WHERE COULD WE POSSIBLY PUT IN THERE THE CLIMATE OF THE DISTRICT? BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THAT THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING TO THAT THAT THAT SHOULD SHOULD BE A IT COULD BE A COMMITTEE POINT IS BUT AS WELL AS ALL WE CONTROLLING THE CLIMATE OF THE DISTRICT AS WELL BEING YOU KNOW THAT GOES UNDER SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A FEW MINUTES AGO. BUT AGAIN, I DON'T GET A PHRASE ALONE THEN MIGHT HAVE A CATEGORY 2 THAT'S BOARD SUPERINTENDENT RELATIONSHIP THAT KIND OF SHOULD INCLUDE THE CLIMATE OF THE DISTRICT WITH THE BOARD. NO SUPERINTENDENT IS PERSON WHO HAS AT A RATE THAT CLIMATE INTERVIEW ISN'T DOING IT THEN WE SHOULD GRADE ACCORDINGLY AND HAD WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE QUESTIONS. WOW.

THOSE NUMBERS THE LOWEST NUMBER IS THREE. >> SO YOU ESTIMATE ME WHICH IS 75. QUESTION SEVENTY FIVE. OKAY.

QUESTION SEVENTY FIVE IS THE BOARD WITHSTOOD THE PRESSURES OF SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS.

AND AS IT IS WELL JUST YOU KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE YOU HAVE THE COMMUNITY SEE YOUR LOWEST NUMBER IN THAT IS WHERE IT IS. THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT THE FIFTY TWO POINT TWO AND THEN

THE NEXT LOWEST ONE IS A THREE SEVENTY FIVE. >> UNIT WAS GOOD REASON FOR 7 5 IT WAS THAT THE BOARD WITHSTOOD THE PRESSURES OF A SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP.

>> OH SO THAT SHOWED UP IN BOTH . YEAH.

>> BUT I'M GOING TO PUT SOMETHING SO UNDER COMMUNITY YOU WILL SEE A ZOOM IN THE

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SEVENTY. >> YES SIR. OKAY.

SO YEAH I KNOW I WAS 3.0 WHICH IS AVERAGE WHICH IS YES. YES BUT B WE HAVEN'T WE HAVEN'T FOCUSED ON I WILL IT DRAINS AWAY OUR RESULTS DON'T SHOW THAT I WAS IN DIRE STRAITS RATHER THAT MAKES ANY SENSE. THERE ARE NO DAIRY INSULATED IN ALL OF THESE THAT DOESN'T REACH THE HIGHEST VERTICAL GO AT A LOW LOW SCORE OF YOUR GRADE INDEX THE ONE OR TWO INCIDENTS . BUT OVERALL IT APPEARS THAT THE THE BOARD AND SUPERINTENDENT HAVE A FAIRLY DECENT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CLIMATE OF THE DISTRICT AND DISTRICT EMPLOYEES AND THAT'S WHAT YOU MEANT WHEN I SAY CLIMATE. I MEAN AS IN THE DISTRICT THAT THE PULSE THE DISTRICT ALTOGETHER AND YOU KNOW ARE DOOR TO THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT AND I AND I'M NOT ON EVERY LEVEL BUT YOU KNOW, THAT IS A CONCERN THAT I'M GETTING FROM THE COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW. BUT SO THAT'S ALSO THAT THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I WAS THAT WAS WONDERING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT IS A PART OF OUR THAT IS ACTUALLY A PART OF OUR OF OUR FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY WAS YOU KNOW, PART OF OUR RESPONSIBILITIES SAME RESPONSIBILITIES AS A WHOLE. SO YES, YOU'RE RIGHT. AND AS I SAID, ON THE SURVEY BOARD MEMBERS GRADED THAT LIKE WE WERE DOING A GOOD JOB. OK, I'LL LEAVE THERE.

THEY MIGHT BE THAT THE NEXT YEAR THE GRADES MIGHT GO DOWN. THEN WE HAVE THE JESUIT RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT WHAT WE'VE GOT AS WE'VE GONE FROM WHAT WE'VE GOT NOW, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE THOSE NUMBERS MY CHANGE IN OUR FOCUS HAVE TO CHANGE. BUT WE WE DON'T WANT TO BRING IN EVERY INCIDENCE OF OUR INTEREST RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING OUT.

WE DID DO IS WE DID A TEST THAT WE LOOKED AT THE RESULTS AND WE WILL IMPROVE ON THE TEST SCORES BY LOOKING AT THAT RESULTS NOT LOOKING AT ALL IF YOU TOOK SOME QUESTIONS LATER ON YOU DIDN'T ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS OR YOU KNOW, I NOTICED THAT 2 PERCENT WERE SLIPPING.

YOU WANT TO DEAL WHAT WE'VE GOT FIRST AND THEN YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, WILL BE ADDRESSED THERE. THE NEW ISSUES WHAT'S THE NICE THAT WE COME UP WITH A QUESTION FOR THAT OUT. DO WE NEED TO SETI IS A QUESTION WE HAD THE BOARD HANDLES OUR CONFLICT INTERNALLY, EXTERNALLY, OPENLY, CONSTRUCTIVELY AND WITH TRANSPARENCY THAT ALLOWS US TO THIRD. THAT'S OUR THIRD QUESTION, RIGHT? YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT.

SO REALLY THE NEXT LOWEST SCORE RATE WE DID SKIP OVER A NUMBER. >> SEVENTY FOUR WAS A 2.0 WHICH WAS NUMBER SEVENTY FOUR SAID AS SEVENTY FOUR ENSURED THAT ALL STUDENTS PERFORMED ON GRADE

LEVEL AND ALL SUBJECTS BY THIRD GRADE. >> SO I THINK THAT GOES IN LINE WITH OUR VERY FIRST QUESTION. YEAH. 1.

OK. WITH THOSE ACHIEVEMENT YOU KNOW .

RIGHT. OK. GOOD.

I JUST I MAKE SURE WE WE ADDRESS THE LOW SCORES AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS I THINK NUMBER EIGHT TWO POINT TWO IS THAT WOULD YOU SEE ROB AND ALSO THERE'S THE NEXT LOWEST SEE QUESTION NUMBER EIGHT A TWO POINT TWO THAT FALLS UNDER TWO .

>> IT WAS UNDER BOARD PROFESSIONALISM AND DEVELOPMENT THE LAST ONE IMMUNITY FOR.

YES. DID YOU GET AND QUESTION NUMBER EIGHT SAYS THE MEMBERS MODEL BEHAVIOR COMMONLY ACCEPTED FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS. KEY QUESTION WAS YOU COME ABOUT FROM NOT ONE THAT'S ACTUALLY A MEETING TYPE QUESTION, RIGHT. OF QUESTION ABOUT THE MEETING FOR OTHERWISE. WELL, NOT NECESSARILY A MEETING, RIGHT.

WELL, WHEN YOU GO BACK TO THE CHART I THINK IT GOES IN THAT FIRST COLUMN WHATEVER WE DECIDE TO LABEL THAT FIRST COLUMN. OK. AND SAID I MEAN I A GOOD

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EFFICIENCY. >> WELL, OUR QUESTION. >> OUR SECOND QUESTION IS THE BOARD MEETING WAS RUN EFFICIENTLY AND THAT WAS GOOD. OH, GOOD.

THAT'S WHAT PROMPTED MY STATEMENTS ABOUT THIS IS THE CRITERIA.

WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT DOES GOOD FOOD MEETING. MAYBE THIS ONE GOES BEYOND

MEETING TO IT. >> MY NO GO GET A BRAWL IN A BAR.

>> BOWLING. YOU KNOW, I GUESS YOU CAN'T CALL FOR DRUNK DRIVING.

>> RIGHT. ALL GET IN A FISTFIGHT WITH THE YELLOW THE COACH WILL BRANDS HIGH SCHOOL DOING A GAME DO THOSE THINGS. YOU KNOW.

I MEAN YOU CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS CASE. I MEAN THAT'S A QUESTION THAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE DOWN THERE SOMEWHERE BECAUSE REFLECTS RECENT BEHAVIOR.

>> WELL WELL ONE INTO THE NEXT. WHAT HAPPENED? I'LL CERTAINLY KEEP THE SAME QUESTION HERE BUT THAT WOULD WORK FOR THIS ONE. YES, GUYS COVERS A LOT OF STUFF

IN YOU KNOW FROM THE MEETING ALL THE WAY OUT TO IOWA. >> YOU AGREE, TRICIA? YEAH, I THINK SO. YES, SIR. AND GOODWILL.

OKAY. >> YEAH, I AGREE PROBABLY THAT. ALL RIGHT.

LET'S TRY TO DEVELOP ANOTHER QUESTION FOR THE NEXT LOWEST NUMBERS ON NUMBER.

I THINK IT'S A TWO POINT THREE QUESTION NUMBER ONE UNDER STRATEGIES FOR GOAL RELATED RESULTS. I THINK IT IS BUT SOMEBODY DOUBLE CHECK ME.

A TWO POINT THREE. QUESTION NUMBER ONE OR IS THIS MANAGE THE LAST ONE.

THERE WE GO. LET THE VERY FIRST ONE. ALL RIGHT.

WHAT ABOUT A TWO? DO WE ALREADY COVER 74? YES, THAT'S THE ONE WE SAID WAS GOING TO BE THE SAME AS IT SAYS THE BOARD AND THOSE QUITE CORRECT GOALS WITH THE FIRST ONE. SO AS I SAID IN 86 AND QUESTION 74.

RIGHT. THAT IT IN OKATIE. RIGHT.

SO ONE IS AGENDAS QUESTION NUMBER ONE HAS TO DO YOU OUT OF FOCUSING PRIMARILY ON RESULTS AND ALWAYS AGENDAS IN THIS CASE IS THE AGENDA OF THE MEETING OR I THINK THAT'S HOW

WE DEVELOP THAT QUESTION. >> OKAY. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT QUESTION ESPECIALLY SINCE WE YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE ROLE OF COHERENT GOVERNANCE, RIGHT? OH, I'LL TRY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. MY MY MIND IS CRAZY.

I'M TRYING TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. LOOKING AT A GENDER AGENDA OF A BOARD MEETING, SEE HOW I WOULD ANSWER IT AND WHY AND DOES IT SAY ENOUGH FOR ME TO ANSWER IT? EFFECTIVELY WHAT I MEAN. SO WE GET A GOOD READ AND I'M TAKING ME.

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YOUR HANDS WITH YOUR WORK PLAYING A DRAFT WHERE PLAN? >> SO ONCE THAT'S FINALIZED

THAT WOULD ALSO HELP ANSWER THAT QUESTION. >> YOU MEAN LESS RESEMBLES TRUMP? WELL, SO JUST ONE THING. ALL INCLUSIVE AGENDAS.

THAT'S THE OTHER PART OF THE DEAL. OKAY.

YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. I THINK THIS IS ALL THE QUESTION IS IS IS THE QUESTION THAT DRIVES EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING RIGHT.

NO. SO THE SEVERE MONKEY GOT TO COME WITH RESULTS SO WE CAN REALLY SEE HOW WE THINK WE ARE DOING. SO WE CAN GO FORWARD WHEN WE

USE THE SAME QUESTION. >> ALL RIGHT. ARE WE CHECHESSEE IS A GOOD QUESTION. QUESTIONS OF RIGHTS AND TELEVISUAL BOARD MEMBERS UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE NEED TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. I GUESS WE HAVE TO GO WITH IT RIGHT. TRICIA I THINK IT GETS TO THE HEART OF COHERENT GOVERNANCE OR ARE WE STICKING TO WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING OVERSIGHT AND SO ON RESULTS AND OPERATIONAL EXPECTATIONS. SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

YOU DO IT. >> HOW HOW DOES A COLUMN LIKE WITH YOUR WORD WOULD IT FALL ON YOUR FREE RESPONSE ALL OF YOU VOLUME ALL THE THINGS THAT MAYBE ACCEPTABLE EXPERIENCE?

>> I MEAN LEADERSHIP DATA AS A GOALS REALLY DON'T GO TRUST. ALL ALL OF THE THINGS THAT HELPED TO BRING ABOUT THE RESULTS IMMIGRANTS HANDS UP. ALL RIGHT.

AND GREG. YEAH. TRICIA TOOK THE WORDS OUT MY MOUTH. THIS IS LIKE A HEART OF CORPORATE GOVERNANCE.

NOW THAT I AM READING SO MUCH CORPORATE GOVERNANCE. SO ONE SUGGESTION IF WE ARE I THINK IS MEL HAS POINTED OUT NUMEROUS TIMES AND MR. SMITH AND WE WANT TO BE CLEARER TO THE PUBLIC. WE COULD SAY POLICIES AND OUTCOMES RATHER THAN RESULTS AN OPERATION LIKE DICTATIONS BECAUSE THAT'S A LITTLE JARGON. AND MEL SENDS YOU AN EMAIL TO THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE ABOUT THIS WEEK'S AGENDA BECAUSE YOU WERE ON THE ACADEMIC COMMITTEE.

YOU KNOW, WE DID THAT STRATEGIC GOVERNANCE REVIEW AND WE'RE BRINGING THAT TO THE ACADEMIC COMMITTEES BRINGING THAT FORWARD. AND IT SHOWED I WAS LIKE SHOULDN'T THIS BE ATTACHED TO AN OPERATIONAL EXPECTATION? SO I THINK THIS IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE CRITICALLY NEED TO WORK ON. BUT WE COULD SAY OUTCOMES AND POLICY WHICH I THINK WOULD BE MORE BROADLY UNDERSTOOD BY THE PUBLIC.

YOU USE JUST THAT. WE CHANGE THOSE TERMS, THROW OUT THOSE POLICIES ONLY WE HAVE TWO OUTCOMES. THE ONLY LAW FOR THIS BUT REGULARLY SO WE AMOUNT TO A QUESTION FOR IT. IT'S A QUESTION OF IF WE WANT IT TO BE CLEARER TO THE PUBLIC.

RIGHT BECAUSE THE PUBLIC DOESN'T UNDERSTAND OPERATIONAL EXPECTATIONS.

I MEAN THEY DO BUT IT'S A VERY SPECIFIC TERM TO COHERENT GOVERNANCE RESULTS AS FINE AS WELL. BUT WHEN I'VE DONE MY READING ON THIS THEY INTERCHANGE JUBILEE USE POLICY AN OUTCOME THAT IT'S OUTCOME BASED AND THAT GOES TO RESULTS POLICIES AND OPERATIONAL EXPECTATION. I WAS WITH LOVES THAT WHICH IS LED BY A QUESTION THE YOU IS AS YOU SUGGEST. THIS WILL PROBABLY BE IN THE FORM OF A MOTION DURING THE BOARD MEETING THAT YOU THAT WE CHANGE THE LANGUAGE WE USING NO CURRENT CURRENTLY.

NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT. NOW I WOULDN'T CHANGE IT IN TERMS THAT YOU MEAN LIKE WHEN I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE NO LONGER SAY OPERATIONAL EXPECTATION.

NO, WE DON'T GO WE COULD. I MEAN THE OPPRESSIVE EXPECTATION BECAUSE IT IS POLICY. RIGHT. SO BUT IT'S A BIT SINCE WE JUST REDID THIS WHOLE POLICY MANUAL WE HAVE THESE VERY SPECIFIC O E'S.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD CHANGE THAT BUT I THINK IN TERMS OF EDUCATING THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT AN OPERATIONAL EXPECTATION IS WE COULD USE THE TERM POLICY AND RESULTS OR POLICIES AND

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WE THE BOARD MEMBERS DO UNDERSTAND RESULTS AND OPERATION EXPECTATIONS BUT ABSOLUTELY. SO THAT'S WHY YOU KNOW, MY QUESTION TO YOU IS SINCE YOU ARE TALKING PUBLIC AND YOUR CORRECT PUBLIC DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THOSE TERMS LIKE WE DO WHEN WE GOING TO MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT WHICH IS A GOOD IDEA THAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING.

YEAH. SO YOU MEAN IN TERMS OF WHAT SHOULD WE DO WITHIN OUR MEETINGS BECAUSE YOU I MEAN YOU RAISED THAT. I MEAN HOW DO YOU GET TO THE POINT YOU TALKING ABOUT RIGHT. HOW DO WE GET THOSE TWO TERMS TO THE PUBLIC FROM WHERE WE ARE NOW? THE REDIRECT THE SUPERINTENDENT TO CONSIDER THAT AS HE PUT OUT INFORMATION OR AS WE SPEAK AT THE BOARD MAYBE WE USE THOSE TERMS A LOT MORE AT BOARD MEETINGS OTHER THAN TRENDS. WE'RE USING IT NOW AT BOARD MEETINGS.

TALK IN THE PUBLIC AND HOW WE GET THEM IN TUNE WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING.

RIGHT. WELL, YEAH. AND IT IS A GOOD IDEA.

YOU HAVE A ALL SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHEN DO YOU WANT TO BROADEN THAT FOR THIS PARTICULAR QUESTION? WE PROBABLY NEED TO STAY WITH WHAT WE HAVE.

YEAH. BECAUSE THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE EXTERNAL TO THE PUBLIC.

BUT GOING FORWARD THAT IDEA THAT YOU HAVE IS IS ABSOLUTELY ACCURATE.

AND I AGREE WITH HOW MUCH OF IT WE NEED TO CHANGE WITHOUT YOU KNOW, CHANGING THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE SUPERINTENDENT AND THE BOARD IS WHAT THE THOUGHT NEEDS TO BE AS AS YOU GO FORWARD WITH THAT. BUT I REALLY BELIEVE YOU PUSH FORWARD WITH THAT.

I AGREE. KNOW YOU AND I KNOW YOU WHEN I'M OUT TALKING ABOUT SIX MONTHS TO SIX MONTHS TO GET THE TENDER RESULTS AND RESULTS IN ON THE WORD RESULTS.

SO I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY RESULTS BUT ISN'T ALWAYS RAISING BAIT AS OUTCOME AND IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE THIS REALLY DOVETAILS INTO THE EMAIL I SENT YOU JUST IN TERMS OF YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE STRUCTURE THIS FOR EFFICIENT BUT THIS IS A WHOLE OTHER POINT I JUST WAS SUGGESTING ON THIS.

>> IF WE WE COULD SEE THIS QUESTION AS AN OPPORTUNITY START USING DIFFERENT TERMINOLOGY CASH YOU KNOW, NOT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE AGENDA BECAUSE I LIKE THE ORGANIZATION RIGHT OF OKATIE ONE POINT 6 AND 0 IS AND THAT WE KNOW THAT THAT LEADS TO A VERY SPECIFIC POLICY. BUT THEN LIKE YOU SAID, HOW DO WE EDUCATE PEOPLE SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS NOT SUPER OUT OF THE ORDINARY. IT'S JUST WE'RE LOOKING AT A POLICY BASED GOVERNANCE RATHER THAN A MUCH MORE EFFICIENT BULLIES THING.

IF IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING? IT SOUNDS FRIENDLIER. HISTORICALLY BOARDS OF DRIVE TO TO BE A LOT MORE YELLOW DISCONCERTING TO THE PUBLIC DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DOING. BUT I THINK WE ARE WE ARE MUCH MORE EFFICIENT IF EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE AND WE THE BEAT. YOU KNOW MY PLAN MORE EFFECTIVELY WHEN THEY KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SURPRISED US.

I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE BOARD MEETING BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

OK. SO I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT. I LOOK AT YOUR E-MAIL AND ON THIS PARTICULAR QUESTION I GUESS THIS IS THIS IS IT IS IT'S ADEQUATE AS IT IS.

ROBIN, I SUPPOSE YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF NOTE WE WANT TO ADD TO ANY OF THESE ARE CHECHESSEE. WHAT DO YOU MEAN? I'M SORRY.

NOW ADD LINKS I MEAN NOTES OF CLARITY OR DO WE WANT TO ADD A NOTE TO CLARITY? I MEAN OKAY. I DON'T THINK SO. I DON'T THINK SO.

BECAUSE THE I. OH I WOULDN'T EITHER. I JUST WANT TO MAKE PHIL YEAH.

WE AGREE ON THAT THAT YOU KNOW THEY ANSWER IT THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY.

ONE OF THE FIVE. RIGHT. AS YOU UNDERSTAND IT RIGHT.

RIGHT. WILLIAMS HANDS UP WHERE WILLIAM WELL I WAS I WOULD SAY ALSO PURDY WOULD NOT BE A BAD THING OR EITHER IF HE JUST DID NOT SEEM GENERAL TO YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF GUY HE DIED. WHERE WE'RE GOING SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE ACTUALLY

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SO I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING. I MEAN THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION, JUST THAT THERE'S NO NOW DOES THAT BRING CLARITY THAT PUTS YOU EXACTLY WHERE YOU WANT TO BE AFTER THE FACT? THAT'S OF MY AS IS MY TAKE ON THANK YOU IN THAT POINT, MR.

SMITH. >> AND THAT WAS WHY EARLIER I SUGGESTED THAT THE CHART WITH THE THREE RESPONSES ON THEM IS ALIGNED WITH THIS SURVEY MONKEY.

SO PEOPLE WILL SAY OK, THE BOARD WAS RUN EFFICIENTLY. SO LOOK AT COLUMN NUMBER ONE.

WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THAT TITLE TO NOT BOARD MEMBER BEHAVIOR BUT MAYBE PUBLIC MEETING OR BOARD MEETING JUST STRICTLY TO BOARD MEETING. AND THAT'S SOME OF THE CRITERIA WHERE WE. IT WAS SUGGESTED BY BOARD MEMBERS THAT WE'RE NOT EFFICIENT BECAUSE THERE ARE LENGTHY MEETINGS AND PERSONALITY DIFFERENCES LEAD TO INEFFICIENT CONVERSATIONS OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. BUT THESE ARE THE NOTES THAT ALIGN WITH THE QUANTITATIVE RESULTS THAT RESULTED IN THE SURVEY MONKEY.

>> SO A YOU APPLY THESE THOSE TO THE MEMBERS THAT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING WHERE WE PRESENT THIS OR WHAT DUMMY? MR. CAMPBELL, I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS ENTIRE PROCESS SO THAT THE WHOLE BOARD MEMBER ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS WILL UNDERSTAND WHERE THESE QUESTIONS ON THE SURVEY MONKEY CAME FROM THAT THEY JUST WEREN'T PULLED OUT OF THE AIR.

THEY WEREN'T JUST NEW IDEAS THAT ARE A NEW GOALS THAT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALL ALIGNED.

SO I WOULD RESUBMIT THIS DOCUMENT TO ROBIN WITH A DIFFERENT TITLE ON YOUR COLUMN NUMBER ONE AND THEN WE WOULD DEFINITELY PRESENT THIS TO THE BOARD AS PART OF THE ANALYSIS OF THE DATA WHICH THEN RESULTED IN THE SURVEY MONKEY. AND THAT WOULD BE SO WE WOULD ALSO GIVE THEM THIS CHART AGAIN SO THAT THEY COULD SEE WHERE WE GOT THERE NUMBERS FROM.

I THINK SO THEN EVEN MAYBE HIGHLIGHT THEM ROBYN. >> OK, I LIKE RANDY IF YOU COULD WITH THE EXACT DIFFERENT COLORS. YES, OK, NOW WHEN OH WE'LL WORK ON THE SURVEY MONKEY AND GET THAT TO YOU SO THAT YOU CAN SEE IT BECAUSE THE GOAL WAS TO HAVE

THIS AT THE APRIL 20TH BOARD MEETING. >> RIGHT.

SO TO MAKE SURE WE'RE STILL FOCUSING ON THAT. AND TOMORROW I'LL JUST SAY THAT WE'RE WORKING ON IT AND I'M WHAT ELSE I NEED TO SEE THIS. DOUG? WELL, I WAS WONDERING DID YOU WANT TO PRESENT WHAT WE'VE DONE UP TO THIS POINT AND SAY THAT BASED ON THIS THE SURVEY MONKEY WILL BE DEVELOPED FOR PRESENTATION AT THE APRIL 20TH MEETING FOR BOARD ACTION TO VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY AGREE IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WILL IMPLEMENT STARTING IN MAY THE PRESENT WILL WE? WELL, WHAT WE'VE DONE.

TELL THEM IN CATEGORIES HERE BY ISLAMIC SO I DON'T LIKE PRESENTING MORE OR LESS THAN WHAT YOU WANT ME TO PRESENT CATEGORIES HERE AND OUR INTENT TO RIBAUT AND HOW WE HAVE WE WE KNOW WE MAP THE TO THE BONUS QUANTITATIVE AND QUALITATIVE AND WE HAVE DEVELOPED WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING A SURVEY MONKEY. I HAVE TO GO TO THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE ALREADY COVERED . RIGHT. RIGHT.

YEAH I WOULD THINK SO NOW. I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO SHOW LIKE YOU JUST SAID HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE DEVELOPING THESE FIVE QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE GOT SOME WE WILL BRING THEM TO THE FIVE QUESTIONS IN A SURVEY MONKEY FORMAT AT THE NEXT MEETING.

BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SHOW THEM HOW WE'VE TAKEN THE DATA CROSS CHECKED IT WITH THE QUANTITY AND QUALITATIVE THEN IT'S GOING TO RESULT IN A MONEY A PERFORMANCE MONITORING SURVEY . SO WE CAN SEE IF WE'RE MAKING IMPROVEMENT ON OUR LOWEST SCORES AND ARE OUR PRIORITY NEEDS. OKAY.

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HAVE THAT. >> SO I'LL JUST HIGHLIGHT THE THE LOWEST ONES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. YES I DO APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU. AND THEN WHAT WOULD YOU THAT ON THE CHART?

>> WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT THE TITLE SHOULD BE FOR COLUMN 1 WITH THE PUBLIC? SO WE'RE GONNA USE POWER AND FUEL CALLED A PUBLIC MEETING. OKAY.

BOARD. BOARD. B SO I GUESS.

YEAH. >> ALL RIGHT. ROBIN EVERY ISSUE THAT YEAR WITH THAT CHANGE. OKAY. OKAY.

OKAY. >> YES. ALL RIGHT.

ANYTHING ELSE? >> SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. SO THE TWO DOCUMENTS THAT I WOULD INCLUDE IN BOARD DOCS WOULD BE THE REISSUE OF THIS DOCUMENT THE FREE FORM AND THEN THE CHART. THE CHART WITH THE HIGHLIGHTED THE DATA CHART THAT ONE HIGHLIGHTED NUMBERS OF THE LOWEST ONES THAT WE ARE USING FOR THE FIVE QUESTIONS.

RIGHT. THAT'S CORRECT. AND YOU WILL CHANGE THE TITLE OF THAT THROUGH HIS CALL RIGHT NOW. OKAY.

ANYTHING ELSE ON A QUESTION COMMENT? WHEN DO WE WANT TO SCHEDULE OUR NEXT MEETING? THE WE DON'T NEED THAT MEETING BEFORE THE TONE IS RIGHT.

YES. I THINK YOU CAN REVIEW THIS THERAPY MONKEY.

SO WHAT'S A GOOD DATE? FLEXIBLE? DO YOU WANT TO DO THE AFTERNOON

OF FRIDAY THE 16TH? CAN YOU DO THEN WAIT. >> ARE YOU ON VACATION? NO, MA'AM. FRIDAY THE 16TH. THAT'S RIGHT.

WITH ME I MEAN WITH TIME DOUG CAN WE DO TWO O'CLOCK DAVID? DAVID CAN BE REALLY.

WE WILL THIS GO. I'M NOT SURE BUT WE CAN SCAN THE LAND AND SEE THIS CASUAL BY ZAMBIAN FEED. IF NOT WE'LL JUST GO WITH IT. WE CAN.

I MEAN IF IT'S NOT A GOOD TIME THEN IT'S A STORY ABOUT YOU KNOW BUT THEN THAT GIVES A LITTLE BIT OF TIME FOR IT TO YOU KNOW, GOOD TO BE IN AND AND PREPARED AND BECAUSE THE BOARD MEETINGS THE 20TH. YEAH THAT'S A GOOD FILM. THEY SAID AT 2 O'CLOCK.

YES. OKAY. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. NEWS BUSINESS POOLS BUSINESS SO SO.

QUESTION WELL DO DO WE BUT WE WON'T GET TO THAT LATER. THERE'S A DEVALUATE THE SORT OF RIBAUT GIVES THE SERVICE MARKET DO IT FOR US. SO IF I RECALL CORRECTLY THOSE SURVEYED CAME MONDAY. WE'LL WE'LL GIVE TO THE ORIGINATOR THE PERSON THAT DESIGNS IT. WE'LL GIVE THEM SOME FEEDBACK ON THE ANSWERS.

AS I RECALL, I HAVEN'T DONE A SURVEY CREATED A SURVEY MONKEY IN A WHILE BUT I THINK THAT IT WILL GIVE THE CREATOR SOME RESULTS AND THEN. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I GUESS WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER WE REPORT THAT OUT AFTER YOU KNOW, AFTER YOU SEE IT YOU REVEAL THE NEXT MEETING. RIGHT. EVERY MEETING WOULD HAVE A SMALL REPORT OUT OF WHAT THE RESULTS WERE. OK, EVERYBODY OK? THIS WAS LONDON REALLY? WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERY MEETING OR RATHER YOU'VE GOT TO DO IT

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AFTER EVERY FIVE MEETINGS OR 10 MEETINGS OR WHAT YOU KNOW NOW. >> AND WE CERTAINLY DECIDE THAT. BUT THE SURVEY MONKEY SHOULD BE COMPLETED AFTER EVERY MEETING.

ABSOLUTELY. >> WE SHOULD GET RESULTS RIGHTLY IN MEETINGS ALL LIKE THIS. BUT THE SURVEY AMOUNT RESULTS. I MEAN DO WE MANAGE THAT OR DO

WE JUST REPORTED BACK? >> I DON'T KNOW. I GUESS WE COULD DO LIKE A QUARTERLY MEETING. MAN AND THEN DECIDE ON HOW WE PRESENT THE RESORT'S RESULTS

QUARTERLY. >> OK. THIS TO SHOW YOU KNOW PROGRESS THAT I'VE GOT THE PACKED IT WAS EARLIER BUT THAT PROGRESS I THINK IS BETTER UNDERSTOOD.

WHEREAS WHEREAS A PERIOD OF TIME IT LASTED BEFORE WE REALLY FOCUS ANALYZING IT AS OPPOSED TO JUST REPORTING WE'RE MEETING AFTER A WHILE BECAUSE ONE DAY YOU KNOW, PEOPLE JUST SAY SAY MONKEY. YEAH. OK.

WILLIAMS HANDS UP HERE. YES. WILLIAM WHILE I THINK I KIND OF GOT TO ANSWER I WAS ONCE INTO WHAT FORM AFTER THE START RIBAUT DO YOU GET THE RESULTS BACK FROM IT? I WAS I GUESS YOU CAN E-MAIL IT TO EVERY MEMBER.

IS THAT IS THAT THAT WAS THAT WHAT WE ARE IN? >> IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING?

>> OKATIE MILLION WILL GOOD IS REPORTED HAD ONE TOOTH THAT IS REPORTED AT THE BOARD MEETINGS IT DOESN'T REALLY KNOW THAT BUT WHILE WE'RE WE'RE DECIDING WHETHER TO DO THAT ALONG WITH SOMETHING ELSE. BUT WE WILL DO THAT. WE WILL REPORT SOME RESULTS AFTER EVERY EVERY EVERY EVERY EPISODE. BUT MARK, MY THING IS MY ACTUAL RECORD ACTUALLY TAKE THE INITIATIVE USE SURVEY MONKEY WHICH IS WHERE WE'VE ACTUALLY

TAKEN THAT THE THE INITIATIVE TO DO THAT. >> THEN THEN SEPARATE SURVEY MONKEY WILL PRETTY MUCH TALLY UP EVERYTHING TURN TO YOU THEN WHY NOT SEND A COPY TO EVERY BOARD MEMBER? I MEAN I MEAN YOU YOU CAN TELL US THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.

KNOW WHEN IT'S NOT A PROBLEM AS YOU GET THE RESULTS DIRECTLY. THIS OF SUMMARIZED FROM FROM THE COMMITTEE DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU READ THE RESULTS YOU COULD JUST FORWARD IT TO YOU.

AND BUT AT THE END OF THE TIME PERIOD WE'LL HAVE ALL THOSE RESULTS BECAUSE IT WILL TEND TO READ KNOW YOU READ THE E-MAIL WHEN YOU READ THE E-MAIL AND YOU FORGET WHAT IT SAID AFTER THREE OR FOUR MONTHS. SO. OK.

GET. OK. THANK YOU.

GOOD. >> YEAH. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY IN MAY THE ART OF GOVERNING COHERENTLY BY LINDA DAWSON MAY ACTUALLY HAVE A THING WHERE THEY SAY ONCE YOU SET A RESULT YOU SHOULD WAIT ABOUT SIX MONTHS BEFORE YOU START BENCHMARKING AGAINST IT. YOU COULD. THAT'S A GOOD NUMBER.

THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH, THAT'S TRUE. SO MY RECOMMENDATION THE WRITTEN IN STONE IS RATHER GOOD THING ABOUT GOOD GOVERNANCE IS GIVES YOU SOME FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF THERE. I THINK THERE ARE TWO OR THREE MAIN QUOTE AUTHORS OF COHERENT GOVERNANCE IN TERMS OF WHAT WE SHOULD I SHOULD GO. SO I GUESS I THOUGHT IT INTERESTING THAT THEY SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED HOW ON YOU KNOW THEIR RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO COMPARE PROGRESS SO THAT WE DO NEED SOMEBODY ELSE YOU KNOW AND THEY DON'T GIVE YOU ANOTHER READ WHEN THIS THING IS YOU OK ?

>> I WILL CONSIDER THAT SIX MONTHS IS TRYING TO DO ANALYSES BASICALLY WHEN EVERY YEAR WE EXPECT TO DO A RE YOU KNOW, TOOLING OR SELF EVALUATION. SO SIX MONTHS OR TWO TIMES WOULD LEAD US TO. ARE WE ADDRESSING OUR ISSUES OR NOT? BEFORE WHAT A REAL DEAL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WOULD UPSIDE MY HAND.

I'VE BEEN DOING SO WELL AND LOWERING MY HAND UP UNTIL THE VERY END.

I KNOW YOU. I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO SAY NO. YOU KNOW THANKS FOR I ALWAYS TEND TO BE IN THESE MEETINGS BY MIKE. I'M JUST GOING TO LISTEN AND UNDERSTAND AND THEN YOU KNOW INTERESTING STUFF COMES UP GOOD POINTS ARE MADE AND IT'S HARD TO TO NOT SORT OF WANT TO JUMP IN AND GET INVOLVED. SO THANK YOU FOR LEADING THE DO FOR 10 MONTHS. ONE TOILET FOR TWO MONTHS. WHAT IS THAT?

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THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO START JANUARY FIRST THE FIRST YEAR. >> YEAH.

AND IT'S A IT'S A A QUITE A BIG YOU KNOW PUBLIC POLICY MACHINERY TO GET YOUR HANDS AROUND RIGHT. TO SORT OF UNDERSTAND HOW ALL THE DIFFERENT PIECES FIT

TOGETHER. >> SO THERE'S A BIG LOUIS WITH DAWN WHO'S GOING MY MIND.

I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD WAIT BECAUSE YOU KNOW I JUST I TRIED TO TO REALLY ONE OF MY GOALS IS

TO LISTEN AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON. >> BEFORE I START SPEAKING.

BUT I JUST HAVE TO SAY WITH THE THREE OF YOU IT'S GOOD DISCUSSION.

YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO STAY OUT OF IT. IT'S INTERESTING IT GETS TO THE HEART OF THE MATTER AND IT'S AND IT'S IMPORTANT. SO IT'S HARD TO SIT QUIETLY,

SIT QUIETLY. >> BRIDGES THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING OFFICIALLY. THANK YOU GUYS TOO. DON'T QUIT THIS LAWSUIT QUIETLY OR WE CAN DRIVE ALL KNOW ALTHOUGH ALL THE GREAT MINDS HAVE TO BE DRIVEN SO YOU HAVE THE DRIVE TO DRIVE TO DRIVE THAT MIND THAT YOU HAVE. THAT'S A DREIDEL DREIDEL.

>> SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN. I'LL SEE YOU GUYS TOMORROW. BAILS.

>> NO, SIR. >> FALL DOWN. DOUBLE MOTION DIRECTION I MOVE THAT WE ADJOURN AND THAT IS THE OLDER S

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