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[1. CALL TO ORDER]
THE COUNTY COUNCIL MEETING OF MONDAY, MARCH 22ND, I WILL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER WILL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS PLEASE RESPOND THAT THEY ARE IN FACT HERE, MR. CUNNINGHAM PRESIDENT AND IN-PERSON PRESIDENT IN PERSON.UM, MR. GLOVER HERE, MR. HARVEY, SHAWN PRESENT MS. HOWARD, MR. LAWSON, MARK LAWSON.
PRESENT MR. MCKELLEN HERE, MR. RODMAN PRESENT IN CHAMBERS.
UH, MR. SUMMERVILLE IS ABSENT BECAUSE HE IS OUT OF TOWN AND I AM HERE.
THEREFORE 10 MEMBERS ARE PRESENT TO CONDUCT BUSINESS OF COUNCIL.
UM, THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND INVOCATION WILL BE DONE BY COUNCIL MEMBER DAWSON.
WOULD YOU ALL RISE FOR THE PLEDGE? THANKS FOR THE INVOCATION.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
I THANK YOU FOR BEING SO CRIME LOVING AND JUST, I THANK YOU GOD, FOR BLESSING US TO SEE US TODAY.
I THANK YOU ALL ON US TO A STUMBLE THIS AFTERNOON AS A CONSOLE THAT WE MIGHT TAKE CARE OF, THE MATTERS THAT COME BEFORE US DIVINE GUIDANCE, WE MAY DISPOSE OF THE ITEMS ON THIS AGENDA AND THAT WE DO IT ALL WITH LOVE AND CARE AND CONCERN FOR ALL THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY IN JESUS NAME.
LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT MR. SUMMERVILLE IS IN ATTENDANCE.
UH, PUBLIC NOTICE OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN PUBLISHED, POSTED AND DISTRIBUTED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SOUTH CAROLINA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION BY SOMEONE
[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
AND A SECOND TO APPROVE OUR AGENDA AS CHAIRMAN MR. GLOVER MAKES THE MOTION AND MR. FLEW WILLING.IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION REGARDING THE AGENDA MR. CUNNINGHAM? UH, YES SIR.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO OUR ACTION ITEMS TODAY THAT, UH, WE MOVE FORWARD WITH BRINGING BACK FACEBOOK LIVE FOR OUR VIDEOS.
UM, I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE HERE IN THE BUILDING AND THEY'VE ASSURED THAT THEY CAN HANDLE, UM, ANY COMMENTS AS LONG AS WE CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THE PUBLIC COMMENT PROCEDURES.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? I'LL SECOND.
THE MOTION, SORRY, MR. FALWELL.
AND NEXT, THE SECOND, UM, SINCE THIS IS NOT A CRIME, WELL, LET ME ASK OUR PARLIAMENTARIAN.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO AT THIS POINT IN TIME? ELLEN, YOU'RE ON MUTE.
WHAT I UNDERSTOOD MR. CUNNINGHAM TO WANT TO DO WAS TO ADD IT TO THE AGENDA.
HE DID NOT SPECIFICALLY STATE WHEN HE WANTED SOME SORT OF ACTION.
HE MAY SIMPLY WANT IT DISCUSSED.
THAT MAY BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS LIKE WITH, UM, THE ITEM IN YOUR CAUCUS WHERE MR. KEVIN, HE SIMPLY WANTED TO SHARE INFORMATION AND DID NOT THINK IT NEEDED A VOTE.
SO I THINK THAT'S DISCRETIONARY CHAIRMAN.
UM, DID SAY, WELL, IF I MIGHT, MR. CAMERON, GO AHEAD, BRIAN.
UM, I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU, UH, THAT YOU CONSIDER IT'S FULLY WITHIN YOUR AUTHORITY TO, UH, REQUIRE STAFF TO DO THAT.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT WOULD TAKE ACTION OF COUNTY COUNCIL TO DO, UNLESS YOU OPPOSED IT.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF MR. CUNNINGHAM DIDN'T GO ALONG WITH YOUR DIRECTION TO THE ADMINISTRATION TO PUT IT ON TO, UM, ONTO FACEBOOK.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU TOLD ERIC TO IGNORE MR. CUNNINGHAM AT THAT.
AND IT WOULD REQUIRE ACTION FROM MR. CUNNINGHAM TO, UM, TO MAKE A MOTION TO OVERRIDE, OVERRULE THE DECISION OF THE CHAIR.
AND SO I THINK THIS, AT THIS POINT,
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IT'S JUST A DISCUSSION ITEM AND I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS IT.AND SECOND TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSION, THE IDEA OF REINSTATING FACEBOOK LIVE AS PART OF OUR PROCESS FOR INDIVIDUALS TO BE ABLE TO VIEW, UH, AND COMMENT, UM, WHEN WE'RE IN SESSION, IS THAT A FAIR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO DISCUSS? UH, LET ME ASK YOU THIS.
IF WE DISCUSS THIS TODAY, UM, CAN WE MOVE IT TO THE ACTION ITEM TODAY OR WOULD WE HAVE TO MOVE ON IF YOU DIDN'T AGREE TO PUT IT ON, UM, CUT AFTER HERE, MR. SWELLING? UM, WHAT HE STATED IF YOU AND I DISAGREE, UM, WHICH ONLY, YOU KNOW, THAT AT THIS POINT, UM, IF WE DO DISAGREE, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT IT ON THE ACTION ITEM.
IF YOU AGREE WITH ME, THEN WE'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO GO THE DISCUSSION AND HOPEFULLY JUST GET IT RESOLVED WITHOUT A VOTE.
UM, I HAVE NO PROBLEM DISCUSSING THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S WAYS OF DOING THIS SO THAT, UM, UH, IT'S NOT A DISRUPTION TO OUR MEETING.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THE WAY IT CAN BE DONE, I WOULD HAVE TO DISCUSS WITH IT TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE VIEWING US ON FACEBOOK LIVE WOULD BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE APPROPRIATELY AND WITHIN THE TIMEFRAME THAT WE SET UP.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
WELL, I MIGHT SOME ADVICE TO MR. CUNNINGHAM, UM, AND TO CHAIR, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT, THAT, UM, THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTIONS I HAVE MR. CHAIRMAN CAN'T REALLY BE HAD TODAY ON A SEPARATE KIND OF THING.
AND SO THE FLAVOR OR THE, THE SENSE OF COUNCIL WILL BE IMPORTANT TO THE FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH YOU.
WE MAY, YOU MAY GET A LIST OF THREE OR FOUR QUESTIONS THAT YOU SHOULD ASK IT, AND THEN DEPENDING ON THEIR ANSWER, YOU MAKE A CALL WE'LL KNOW THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
MR. CUNNINGHAM, HOPEFULLY MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU DECIDE TO WHIRL AGAINST MR. CUNNINGHAM'S, UM, KEEPING MR. CUNNINGHAM'S INTENSE, YOU'LL DO US ALL THE FAVOR OF PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA AS AN ACTION ITEM FOR DISCUSSION, THEN I'LL HAVE MEN'S, I'LL AMEND IT TO ADD IT TO THE DISCUSSION ITEM THEN.
UM, MR.
SO WE ARE DULY MOTION AND SECOND TO ADD A DISCUSSION ITEM ABOUT FACEBOOK LIVE, UM, UM, WHICH WE WILL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION IF, UH, COUNCIL AGREES.
AND, UM, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION SEEING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
UM, EVERYBODY HAS WEIGHED IN EXCEPT MR. DAWSON AND MR. SOMERVILLE, YOU WISH TO VOTE YAY OR NAY.
I WOULD SAY IF YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO RAISE YOUR HAND, CORRECT.
SO RIGHT NOW, UH, THE, THE, UH, YESES ARE ONE, TWO, I'M SORRY, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AGAIN.
SO THERE'S ONE, TWO, THREE, THREE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, EIGHT.
UH, THERE WILL BE, UH, TWO NOS AND THE CHAIR WILL SAY YES.
TO ADD IT TO THE AGENDA AS A DISCUSSION ITEM.
SO, UH, NOW WHAT I WOULD ASK FOR YES, MR.
SO I'D LIKE TO OFFER AN AMENDMENT AS WELL, UH, TO VOTE, TO REPEAL THE EMERGENCY MASK ORDINANCE.
IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY FROM LAST TIME WHERE WE REQUIRED TWO THIRDS TO GET IT ON THE AGENDA, THEN TWO THIRDS TO PASS.
MR. CUNNINGHAM MAKES THE SECOND TO ADD AN AGENDA ITEM FOR ACTION TO, UH, REMOVE THE MASK ORDINANCE.
MR. RODMAN, IT'S WORTHY OF DISCUSSIONS.
I'LL VOTE FOR HAVING THE DISCRETION.
BUT I'M SAYING IT'S APPROPRIATE TO
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TALK ABOUT IT AT COUNCIL IS ALL I'M SAYING.I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE FLOOR, RIGHT? YEAH.
THIS WILL WILL LEAD TO A DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION.
AND SECOND, THAT'S MORE OF A DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION OF THE MASK ORDINANCE.
UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE ARE IN FAVOR.
WE HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX.
UH, ANY OTHER OFFERS SEEING NONE? I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDED AGENDA TO ADD AS A DISCUSSION ITEM.
FACEBOOK LIVE AS A FUTURE OF MEANS OF COMMUNICATION WITH EVERYONE DURING THE COUNCIL MEETING.
SO MOVED MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. PHIL WELLING MAKES THE AMENDED MOTION.
UH, MR. GLOVER MAKES THE SECOND ANY DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
UH, MR. BOSTON, YOU ARE GOING TO VOTE.
THE AGENDA IS AMENDED WITH THE GAZE 10 AND THE NAYS ONE.
[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES – December 14, 2020 and January 11, 2021.]
APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF DECEMBER 14TH, 2020, I HAVE SUCH A MOTION.THIS IS MR. LAWSON MAKES MOTION.
AND MS. HOWARD MAKES THE SECOND, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION SEEING NO DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
AND WE ARE UNANIMOUS JANUARY 11TH MINUTES CAUSE THEY WERE IN THERE.
UH, I'M SORRY, BUT MY AGENDA DOES NOT SAY JANUARY 11.
DOES ANYONE ELSE'S AGENDA OR WHAT IS ON THE SCREEN? UH, LET ME GO TO THE AGENDA PACKET THAT IS ON BOTH DECEMBER 14TH, JANUARY 11TH.
UH, THAT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THE ONE THAT I HAVE THE, FOR ME, UM, THAT I PRINTED THAT WAS BEFORE.
LET ME GO BACK AND SAY THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION AND SECOND TO APPROVE ALL DECEMBER 14TH AND JANUARY 11TH, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE ALREADY VOTED ON THE SECOND ONE.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVED DECEMBER 14TH.
RYAN WILL PROVE THE JANUARY ONE A SECOND, PLEASE.
I'LL SECOND, MR. CHAIRMAN, MS. HOWARD MIXED THE SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION, NO DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE JANUARY MEETING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
SO THE MINUTES NOW APPROVED AND WE WILL TURN IT OVER TO MR. GREENWAY
[6. ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT]
FOR THE ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT.YOU MENTIONED THE CHAIRMAN GOOD EVENING MEMBERS OF THE COUNTY COUNCIL OF JUST THREE THINGS IN THE WAY OF ANNOUNCEMENTS THIS EVENING.
UM, MANY OF YOU MAY BE AWARE THAT, UH, YOUR CLERK COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT AND THE BROADCAST DEPARTMENT HAS UNDERTAKEN AN INITIATIVE TO, UH, INCREASE THE VOLUNTEER POOL FOR OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
UH, THEY HAVE SENT OUT A PRESS RELEASE FOR VOLUNTEERS THAT HAS RESULTED AND, UH, A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS COMING DOWN FOR, UH, POSITIONS, UH, TO SERVE ON OUR BOARD AND COMMISSION.
UH, IN A FEW DAYS YOU WILL SEE VIDEOS, AIRING, CALL IT WHY I SERVE.
AND BASICALLY THAT WILL BE, UM, EXISTING BOARD AND COMMISSION MEMBERS TALKING ABOUT WHY THEY CHOOSE TO VOLUNTEER AND SERVE ON THE VARIOUS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
AND, UM, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THOSE HAVE BEEN VERY WELL DONE.
UH, THE PEOPLE THAT PARTICIPATED IN DOING THOSE, UH, AND THOSE VIDEO CLIPS, I'VE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB.
WE WILL WORK WITH SARAH TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL ARE AWARE WHENEVER THOSE ARE OUT FOR
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CONSUMPTION.UM, I DID RECEIVE AN EMAIL EARLIER TODAY REGARDING WHERE WE STAND ON THE, UH, MASTER PLAN FOR PARKS AND RECREATION.
WE ARE CURRENTLY REVIEWING PROPOSALS AT THIS POINT, A POTENTIAL CANDIDATE FOR THAT HAS BEEN SELECTED.
WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE NEGOTIATIONS, UH, WITH THEM ON PRICE, AND WE WILL BE BRINGING THAT FORWARD SOMETIME IN APRIL TO THE, UH, PUBLIC FACILITIES COMMITTEE OR THE APPROPRIATE COMMITTEE FOR A RECOMMENDATION FOR YOU ALL TO PROCEED WITH THE AUTHORIZED IN THE CONTRACT FOR THAT, UM, WORK TO COMMENCE.
AND THEN THE FINAL THING IN THE WAY BEFORE I GET INTO INTRODUCING EMPLOYEES IS LET COUNCIL KNOW THAT PLANNING IS BEGINNING FOR THE OTT RIVER PARK.
YOU ARE MAY, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE AWARE OF WHERE THAT IS, BUT THIS IS THE PARK THAT RUNS ALONG THE OTT RIVER BETWEEN THE OAK T RIVER AND THE GRAVES OR PEPPER HALL DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE ARE BEGINNING THAT PARK PLANNING.
WE ARE GETTING READY TO SEND OUT IF WE HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE.
SO, UM, NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC, TO SOLICIT THEIR INPUT AND THOUGHTS AS TO WHAT THEY FEEL OR SHOULD OCCUR WITH THAT, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PASSIVE PARK.
UM, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME REGARDING ANY OF THOSE ITEMS? YES, MITCH FOR WELLING, I THINK IT WAS CHAIRMAN AND MR. GREENWAY, UM, ON THE ARCS MASTER PLANNING PROCESS IS, UM, MASTER PLANNING FOR THE CHAMP ST.
MARY'S PROPERTY ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT LIST.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING PARKS? OKAY, THEN WE'LL MOVE ON.
AND, UH, AS I'VE TYPICALLY DONE, UH, I'D LIKE TO BRING UP OUR FIRST EMPLOYEE FOR THE EVENING.
UH, DOMINIC STRUG ART WITH OUR IT DEPARTMENT.
UM, I'LL ASK HIM TO COME UP HERE AND JOIN ME WITH AT THE PODIUM.
UH, MANY OF YOU MAY KNOW DOMINIC, UH, HE'S PROBABLY DONE SOME WORK FOR YOU ON YOUR COMPUTERS.
UH HE'S WITH OUR IT DEPARTMENT, HE IS THE SENIOR IT TECHNICIAN AND IN JULY HE WILL HAVE BEEN WITH US FOR FIVE YEARS.
SO, UM, HIS JOB DUTIES AMONG, UM, ALLOW ME TO AGGRAVATE HIM A LITTLE BIT ARE, UM, HE SUPPORTS THE TECHNOLOGY NEEDS OF THE USERS IN MANY COUNTY DEPARTMENTS, AGENCIES AND THE ELECTED OFFICES.
UH, HE ALSO WORKS WITH THE DETENTION CENTER, PUBLIC DEFENDER, LEGAL COUNTY COUNCIL COUNTY ADMINISTRATION.
UH, HE IS A GREAT INDIVIDUAL TO WORK WITH.
HE TAKES REALLY GOOD CARE OF ALL OF US.
UM, DOMINATE HAS MANY IT CERTIFICATIONS AND JOY'S SPENDING TIME WITH HIS DOG, HIS FAMILY, AND HIS X-BOX AS, AS ANY IT PERSON YOU COULD EXPECT MIGHT ENJOY IT.
HE HAS A GREAT IT MINDSET AND IS, AND IS A FANTASTIC MEMBER OF THE I T TEAM.
AND, UH, WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE WITH HIS DOMINIC.
YOU DO A GREAT JOB, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE WORKING WITH YOU.
IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY?
AND I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT, UH, MISS JOANNE SMITH HERE.
UM, SHE AND I HAVE WORKED CLOSELY, UH, NOT SO MUCH LATELY, BUT ON THE INNER DOVE IMPLEMENTATION, THAT'S OUR NEW PERMITTING SOFTWARE.
UH, SHE'S DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB WITH THAT, BUT SHE WORKS IN OUR MAPPING AND APPLICATIONS DEPARTMENT.
SHE'S AN APPLICATIONS PROGRAMMER.
SHE HAS BEEN WITH US FOR 22 YEARS.
UH, SHE IS THE PRIMARY USER SUPPORT FOR OUR TAX SOFTWARE, ALL MOMENTUM AND PROFILE APPLICATION EXTENDER AND NEW VISION.
SHE HAS MANAGED SOFTWARE IMPLEMENTATION PROJECTS, SUCH AS MAGNETRON, MUNIS PERMITTING, AND NOW THE INNER GOV PERMITTING, UH, PROCESS YOU'VE DONE REALLY WELL WITH THE INNER GO PART OF IT.
THAT'S THE THING THAT I'VE WORKED CLOSELY WITH YOU ON.
AND I WOULD TELL YOU THAT YOU'VE DONE A VERY EFFECTIVE JOB WITH THAT.
UH, THE THING PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT HER IS HER LOVE FOR HORSES.
SO HER DAD WAS A PROFESSIONAL POLO PLAYER, SO SHE GOT TO RIDE THE BEST POLO PONIES IN THE WORLD.
IN ADDITION, WEALTHY PEOPLE, WOULDN'T BOARD, THEIR HORSES THAT ARE DEAD STABLE, AND THEY OFTEN NEEDED THE RIDING PARTNERS.
SO SHE GOT A RIDE FOR HOURS AT END.
SHE ENDED UP GETTING TWO HORSES OVER WRONG.
MR. AND MRS. ED, COULD THEY CALL THE MINISTRY HAD TAUGHT THAT YOU HAVE TO BE AT A CERTAIN AGE TO
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KNOW THAT, BUT HAD TO FIND HOMES FOR THEM BEFORE SHE USED TO BUFORD.AND, UH, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THIS NEXT STATEMENT IS VERY TRUE OF HER.
SHE'S ALWAYS WILLING TO GO THE EXTRA MILE TO PROVIDE GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE.
IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE.
I'M NOT SURE IF WE CAN, UH, GET HER UP ON THE CAMERA.
UM, HER NAME IS EMILY STEWART.
SHE IS HUMAN RESOURCES SPECIALIST.
SHE HAS BEEN WITH US 14 YEARS OF JULY 16, 2021.
SHE DIDN'T GET TOO DETAILED WITH THE DATE OF HER HIRE THERE, BUT SHE NOTICED THAT TO THE DAY HE HAS ANY, A HUMAN RESOURCES SPECIALIST, I'M SURE WOULD, UH, SHE COORDINATES REVIEWS AND THAT MINISTERS A VARIETY OF HUMAN RESOURCE PROGRAMS, WHICH INCLUDE DOCUMENTING AND STATING BENEFITS OR WORKERS' COMPENSATION FILES, KEEPING THE COMPENSATION SYSTEM CURRENT AND ADMINISTERING THE H R I S SYSTEM.
SHE MONITORS PAYMENTS AND ELIGIBILITY.
SHE COMPILES AND EVALUATES DATA, AND SHE ENSURES THAT OUR EMPLOYMENT PRACTICE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT.
UH, SHE ANSWERS QUESTIONS RELATED TO EMPLOYEE BENEFITS RESPONDS TO AND RESOLVES COMPLAINTS REGARDING EMPLOYEE BENEFITS, COMMUNICATE BENEFITS, UPDATES.
SHE CHANGES, OFFERS, AND PROCESSES, PROCEDURES, PROGRAM CHANGES AND REMINDERS TO THE EMPLOYEES.
AND SHE DOES A VERY GOOD JOB FOR US.
AND MY ROLE AS THE INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING MORE CLOSELY WITH HER.
AND I WOULD TELL YOU, AS FAR AS PROFESSIONALS, UH, GO, THAT I'VE WORKED WITH IN MY CAREER, UM, THERE IS NONE FINER THAN, UM, MS. EMILY STEWART, UH, TO WORK WITH.
AND I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH SOMETHING UNIQUE ABOUT HER IS THAT SHE IS THE MOTHER OF THREE, THE GRANDMOTHER OF SEVEN AND GREAT GRANDMOTHER OF TWO.
SO SHE HAS A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ALWAYS WANTING CANDY AND MONEY.
I'M SURE AND KNOW VARIOUS SNACKS THAT SHE PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE GIVEN HER OWN KIDS WHEN THEY WERE GROWING UP WITH IT.
SHE STUDIES THE WORD OF GOD AND TEACHES SUNDAY SCHOOL AND A SMALL GROUP BIBLE STUDY.
THE AMAZING TEAM THAT SHE WORKS ALONGSIDE AND PEOPLE IN GENERAL ARE MONTEREY CAN BE SUMMED UP IN THE WORDS FROM THE FOLLOWING SONG.
IF I CAN HELP SOMEBODY PASS IT ALONG, THEN MY LIVING SHALL NOT BE ON VAIN.
AND I CERTAINLY HAVE EXPERIENCED THAT FROM YOU, EMILY.
AND I MIGHT ASK YOU IF YOU, IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY BEFORE WE EXIT OUT OF THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING.
AND I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ACCEPT THIS WITHOUT ACKNOWLEDGING THE TEAM THAT I WORK WITH AS THEY ARE EXTRAORDINARY.
THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US TONIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT.
WE'RE ON TO DISCUSSION ITEMS AND THE FIRST ONE WILL BE OUR CITIZENS COMMENTS.
ARE THERE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS FROM ANYONE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS OR, AND, UM, MINE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY SEEING NONE.
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ITEM IS THE ITEM THAT IS BEING ADDED TO THE AGENDA REGARDING FACEBOOK LIVE.AND, UM, MR. CUNNINGHAM, YOU MADE THAT MOTION.
SO I WILL ASK YOU TO, UH, START THE CONVERSATION.
UM, I JUST THINK IT'S TIME WE START MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.
I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO GET BACK IN PERSON.
WE JUST GOT DONE HAVING OUR DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, GETTING BACK TO THAT, UM, WITH BEING UNVACCINATED AND EVERYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
UH, ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS WE'RE ALL PUSHING FOR IS TRANSPARENCY AND GETTING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.
FACEBOOK IS A GREAT TOOL FOR THAT.
UM, MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE ON IT.
AND I WOULD SAY THE MAJORITY OF BEAVER COUNTY IS IT'S AN EASY WAY FOR US TO ACCESS THEM IF THEM TO ACCESS US.
UM, I HAVE TALKED WITH SOME OF THE IT TEAM AND THE PEOPLE HERE IN THE COUNTY BUILDING, AND THEY HAVE SAID THEY'VE WORKED ON, UM, MONITORING SOME OF THE COMMENTS.
UM, AND WE'VE ALSO MADE IT CLEAR.
THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CENSORSHIP AND FOLLOWING THE PROPER GUIDELINES OF HOW TO TALK TO INDIVIDUALS, WHICH I THINK WE'RE ALL ON BOARD WITH THAT.
UM, THE PEOPLE ON FACEBOOK WOULD ALSO HAVE TO FOLLOW THE SAME GUIDELINES AS THEY WOULD IF THEY WERE IN A PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE COMMENTS ARE NOT, UM, VULGAR OR DISRESPECTFUL.
UM, BUT I DO THINK IT LENDS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO COMMUNICATE WITH OUR CONSTITUENTS BETTER.
AND I THINK IT'S TIME WE TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY WITH THE FUNDS THAT WE'VE INVESTED IN
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ALL OF OUR TECHNOLOGY OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, THAT WE CONTINUE TO PROGRESS WITH IT.MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, MS. HOWARD, UM, I, I AGREE THAT FACEBOOK IS A GREAT AVENUE TO GET COMMENTS.
THE ONLY THING THAT WORRIES ME ABOUT FACEBOOK IS NOT WORRIES ME, IS A CONCERN.
PEOPLE CREATE OF FAKE FALSE FACEBOOK ACCOUNTS.
I'VE, I'VE BEEN AT THE BRUNT OF SOME OF THOSE MYSELF, AND I KNOW THAT OUR PEOPLE WHO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THEY GIVE AN ADDRESS AND POINT OF CONTACT INFORMATION.
SO AS LONG AS WE REQUIRE THE SAME OF THE FACEBOOK PARTICIPANTS, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT.
BUT, UH, I, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, FAKE FACEBOOK ACCOUNTS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT REAL.
AND THAT IS A CONCERN OF MINE.
YOU ALICE, YOU HIT THE NAIL RIGHT ON THE HEAD.
WE REQUIRE HER, EVERYBODY ELSE PUBLICLY IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AND WE SHOULD DO THE SAME WITH FACEBOOK PEOPLE.
AND THAT'S NOT IN ORDER TO SEEK RETRIBUTION AGAINST ANYBODY FOR AN OF THAT DISAGREES WITH COUNTY COUNCIL THAT'S.
SO THE COUNTY COUNCIL CAN REACH OUT AS NECESSARY TO, UM, TO, TO GET IDEAS FROM THE CITIZENS AND CLARITY ABOUT THERAPY.
AND SO, UM, I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL AVENUE FOR US TO GET INFORMATION AND INSIGHT FROM THE PUBLIC.
AND SO I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE IT ANOTHER SHOT.
UH, MR. HARVEY, SEAN, YOU WERE NEXT.
UM, WHEN WE WERE USING FACEBOOK LIVE, I WANT TO SAY IT WAS BACK IN THE SUMMER FALL.
I THINK THE ENGAGEMENT THAT WE WERE GETTING FROM THE COMMUNITY, IT WAS PROBABLY AS HIGH AS IT WAS, OR AS WE'VE EVER GOTTEN.
I THINK IT'S A VERY EFFICIENT MEANS OF COMMUNICATION FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK IT WAS A VERY CONVENIENT WAY, ESPECIALLY FOR POOR STARTERS, TO BE ABLE TO WATCH OUR MEETINGS, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE ON THE GO.
UH, THAT SAID, WHAT I DON'T THINK WAS PRODUCTIVE WAS THE WAY THAT WE WERE TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT AND READING THEM OFF AND TRYING TO SORT THROUGH THAT.
I MEAN THAT CLEARLY DIDN'T WORK.
SO I AM ALL FOR FACEBOOK LIVE.
I WOULD ALSO PAUSE IT THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD DO A YOUTUBE LIVE AS WELL.
UM, JUST ANOTHER MEDIUM TO GET OURSELVES OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
UH, BUT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HEARING FROM STAFF AS FAR AS HOW THEY WOULD MONITOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND HOW EXACTLY THAT WOULD WORK WITHOUT IT GETTING OUT OF CONTROL ON US, HAVING TO SIT THERE AND READ, UM, THOUSANDS OF COMMENTS, WHICH IS JUST FRANKLY NOT POSSIBLE.
ANY OTHERS BEFORE I GO BACK TO MR. CUNNINGHAM, MR. LAWSON? YES.
I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH BRISK AND EVEN LOGAN WHEN IT COMES TO US ON FACEBOOK LIVE, UM, AND EVEN YOUTUBE LIVE, I THINK ANY WAY WE CAN GET TO OUR CONSTITUENTS IS, IS A GREAT THING.
HOWEVER, I VIEW, UH, HARDLY AGREE WITH, UM, THIS HOWARD.
I THINK THAT, UM, THE COMMENTS NEED TO BE MONITORED, I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE NEED TO FOLLOW A A AND THEN IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S TRANSPARENCY AS WELL.
IT GIVES PEOPLE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT, UM, THAT, THAT DON'T HAVE FACEBOOK LIVE, UH, THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO, TO GET TO US THE SAME WAY.
SO AGAIN, I THINK WE SHOULD, UH, FURTHER INVESTIGATE THIS AND SEE WHAT THE BEST ROUTE IS WITH OUR STAFF.
MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, CAUSE SOMEONE, COULD YOU SPEAK TO WHY WE, UM, JUST CONTINUE USING FACEBOOK, UH, OR MAYBE STAFF COULD, UM, SPEAK TO THAT? UM, CAUSE I KNEW WE WERE AT ONE TIME USING FACEBOOK.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO BASICALLY PUT THAT ON THE TABLE.
WHY WE START, WHY DON'T WE DISCONTINUE USE THE FACEBOOK? UH, IT HAD GOTTEN OUT OF HAND, WE WERE HAVING, UM, FACEBOOK WAS BEING DELIVERED TO US THROUGH COUNSELING MEMBERS, NOT FOLLOWING OUR PROTOCOL.
AND THERE WERE SOME VERY DEROGATORY COMMENTS AND THAT'S WHY WE DID THAT.
IT SHOULD BE DONE AS WE DO THE PUBLIC COMMENT, THAT'S BEEN CLEARLY STATED AND WE WERE RECEIVING EMAILS.
WE DID NOT KNOW WHO THEY WERE.
THEY, THEY WERE ANONYMOUS COMMENTS.
UM, AND WE, WE ASKED THAT PEOPLE IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AND AS LONG AS WE FOLLOW OUR PROTOCOLS, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH US GETTING OUT TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
TECHNOLOGY IS A WONDERFUL THING AND IT ALLOWS US TO COMMUNICATE THE WAY WE WANT TO.
SO THAT'S WHY WE DID WHAT WE DID.
AND SARAH, DO YOU WANT ME TO WEIGH IN? WHY? YES, SIR.
UM, I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE CUT IT, THAT ONE MEETING WAS THERE WAS NO ONE MONITORING IT AND THERE WERE A FEW COMMENTS ON THERE THAT COULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED EXTREMELY OFFENSIVE TO THE PUBLIC.
AND SO WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY LOOKING AFTER IT AT THAT TIME.
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UM, BUT MY ONLY SUGGESTION WOULD BE IS THAT WE USE IT AS A STREAMING SERVICE, NOT AS A CITIZEN COMMENT, BECAUSE CURRENTLY WE HAVE THREE PLATFORMS THAT WE MONITOR FOR CITIZEN COMMENT AND THAT WOULD ADD A FOURTH AND IT MAY BE A LITTLE OVERWHELMING.SO IF YOU ALL WOULD CONSIDER USING IT SO THAT PEOPLE CAN WATCH YOUR MEETING, I MEAN, THEY CAN COMMENT ON IT FOR Y'ALL TO LOOK AT IT AT A LATER DATE OR FOR US TO EMAIL TO YOU, BUT READING THEM DURING THE MEETING WAS EXTREMELY CHALLENGING.
UH, MR. DAWSON, YOU WERE NEXT AND THEN I'LL GO BACK TO LOGAN AND THEN BRIAN, UH, I'M, I'M NOT, UH, UH, UH, SUPPORTIVE FACEBOOK.
UM, I GIVE OURSELVES CREDIT FOR INITIALLY TRYING TO USE THAT AS A MEANS OF, UM, OPENING OURSELVES UP TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, BUT THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS IF, IF WE ARE JUST ENTERTAINING THE CITIZENS AND BUFORD COUNTY AND OUR CONSTITUENTS, THAT'S ALL WELL AND FINE.
BUT WHEN WE OPEN OURSELVES UP TO FACEBOOK, WE GET COMMENTS FROM, UH, INDIVIDUALS IN WYOMING, WHICH I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT SOMEBODY IN WYOMING THINKS.
UM, AND TO SARAH'S POINT BASEBALLS OPEN US UP TO A LOT OF UGLY COMMENTS.
AND IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I'M NOT, I'M NOT KEEN ON MR. CUNNINGHAM.
UM, YEAH, I THINK THE MAIN THING WE HAVE TO REALIZE IS EVERY SINGLE PERSON AGREES THAT WE CAN'T USE IT AS A PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, WAVE FOR THAT, THAT STILL SHOULD GO THROUGH THE SAME PROTOCOLS WE HAVE AND PEOPLE WANT TO SEND AN EMAIL.
THEY CAN SEND IN THE EMAIL, FILL OUT THE SAME, UM, APPLICATION FOR THEIR EMAIL, THEIR NAME, AND ADDRESSES THAT THEY, BEFORE COMMENTS ON THERE ON THE ACTUAL LIVE THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE ADDRESSED OTHER THAN WHAT THE STATEMENT SAYING.
IF YOU HAVE A COMMENT, PLEASE SUBMIT IT TO THIS LINK.
UM, AND THAT WOULD ADDRESS THAT IT SHOULD BE A STREAMING SERVICE FOR PEOPLE TO WATCH AS FOR HATEFUL COMMENTS.
I GET IT, TRUST ME, I GET THEM ALL THE TIME FROM BOTH SIDES.
UM, I GET GOOD, BAD AND THE UGLY, BUT THAT COMES WITH PART OF THIS JOB.
UM, I HAD TO HAVE IT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL AND I'VE HAD TO HAVE IT NOW.
UM, BUT I DO THINK OUR JOBS ARE MAJORITY OF CONSTITUENTS DO NOT COME AT US WITH HATE AND IT'S OUR JOB TO REPRESENT THEM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN REACH THEM.
UM, NOT ALL OF THEM PUT ON THE COUNTY CHANNEL OR GO ON TO BEAVER COUNTY.GOV AND LOOK UP OUR MINUTES AND WATCH THE VIDEO.
UM, I, MY, MY GOAL IS JUST TO GET IT OUT TO THEM.
UM, WE CAN CONTINUE TO MONITOR HATEFUL COMMENTS AND LIKE I SAID, THEY DO NEED TO FOLLOW THE PUBLIC, UH, COMIC GUIDELINES, WHICH THERE IS NO ROOM FOR DEROGATORY COMMENTS.
AND I THINK THERE'S A WAY WE CAN DO THAT, MR. WELLING, AND THEN MR.
AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, YOU HAVE TO PASS ME.
WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY STREAM IT BECAUSE WE DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT CAN'T GET THE COUNTY CHANNEL, SO THEY DON'T SEE US AND WE WANT TO COMMUNICATE AS BEST WE POSSIBLY CAN AS MANY VENUES AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH DOING THAT.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH US SETTING UP THE PROTOCOL SO PEOPLE CAN WATCH US.
AND IF THEY DO WANT TO HAVE A COMMENT, THEN AS IT SAYS, THEY CAN FILL OUT THE APPROPRIATE PAPERWORK, IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AND GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
MR. HERB WAS SEAN CHAIRMAN, UH, I'LL ECHO WHAT LOGAN SAID AS WELL.
I DO HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC QUESTION.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO STREAM IT ON FACEBOOK AND TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO COME AND AMONGST THEMSELVES SO LONG AS THEY'RE BEING APPROPRIATE AND RESPECTFUL AND NOT HATEFUL ON ALL OF THOSE THINGS, BUT TO DISCUSS AMONGST THEMSELVES, WITHOUT IT BEING PUBLIC COMMENT, THAT THEN NEEDS TO BE READ AT COUNCIL AND HAVE A SEPARATE MEANS FOR THEM TO SEND AN EMAIL OR CALL OR WHATEVER IT IS.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD HAVE TO DISCUSS WITH IT, BUT IF IT'S A STREAMING SERVICE, IF WE'RE JUST STREAMING THE MEETING, IT'S MUCH THE SAME AS THE COUNTY CHANNEL.
THEY CAN VIEW US ON THE COUNTY CHANNEL.
THEY CAN SCREAM AT THE TV ALL THEY WANT, BUT THEY CAN'T COMMUNICATE WITH US.
SO THE SAME THING WOULD BE WHETHER WE USE YOUTUBE, FACEBOOK, OR BOTH OF THEM, IF THEY WOULD BE STREAMING.
IN FACT, MONICA COMMUNICATE WITH US.
WE DO HAVE THE AVENUES TO DO THAT.
I'M SURE THAT THERE'S NOBODY IN THE PUBLIC WHO SCREAMS THE TV, WATCHING OUR MEETINGS, PAUL YOU'RE ON MUTE.
UM, YOU SAID THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO CAN'T WATCH OUR GAMES.
I THOUGHT WE WERE STREAMING LIVE ON THE INTERNET.
AM I WRONG ABOUT THAT? UM, I'M ON THE INTERNET.
ANYBODY WHO CAN DO FACEBOOK CAN DO INTERNET THAT
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I DON'T KNOW, ARE WE STREAMING ON THE INTERNET AND ALSO ARCHIVE? I MEAN, YOU CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT ANY MEETING THAT YOU WANT TO, BUT IF YOU WANT TO DO IT IN REAL TIME, YOU CAN DO IT BY THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT HAS BEEN SCREAMING AT ANYBODY ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD CAN PEOPLE CAN GO ON THE COUNTY CHANNEL AND WATCH IT.SO I DON'T SEE ANY, I DON'T SEE ANY ADVANTAGE FACEBOOK IN TERMS OF ADDING MORE PEOPLE TO THE, TO THE GROUP THAT CAN WATCH AS PEOPLE WANTS TO WATCH WHAT I WANT TO WATCH.
I THINK THEY COULD DO THAT NOW, BUT I'M STANDING, I'LL BE HAPPY TO BE CORRECTED IF I'M WRONG ABOUT THAT.
UM, UH, AGAIN, I'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH IT.
SCOTT GRINS, MR. CHAIRMAN WITH BROADCAST SERVICES.
UM, RIGHT NOW YOU ARE CURRENTLY STREAMING LIVE ON, UM, SWAGGIN SLASH WHAT WAS AT THAT POINT, GRANICUS.
UM, THE MEETINGS ARE IN REAL TIME, THE MEETINGS ARE THEN AS YOU SAID, ARCHIVED AND CAN BE WATCHED AT ANY POINT NOW ON FACEBOOK AND YOUTUBE CAN BE DONE AS WELL IN REAL-TIME AT THE SAME TIME, BUT YES, WE ALREADY HAVE SWAG IT AND THAT'S WHAT OUR PREFERRED STREAMING SERVICES.
MR. SOMERVILLE'S POINT, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT SPEAKING AS A MILLENNIAL AND OLD MILLENNIAL MILLENNIAL, NONETHELESS, UM, WHEN YOU'RE SCROLLING THROUGH FACEBOOK, AS I GUESS OUR GENERATION TENDS TO DO OR SCROLLING THROUGH YOUTUBE OR WHATEVER IT IS, AND YOU SEE THAT VIDEO POP UP THERE, IT MAKES IT MUCH EASIER TO JUST SAY, OH, WELL, I WONDER WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IF IT'S INTERESTING, HANG OUT.
IF IT'S NOT, THEN DON'T, UH, I'VE TRIED TO WATCH THE MEETINGS ON MY PHONE NUMEROUS TIMES.
AND FRANKLY, IT'S JUST NOT AS EASY OF AN EXPERIENCE AS IT IS ON FACEBOOK OR SO MANY OTHER PLATFORMS. OKAY.
AND THE OTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS.
SO, UM, HAVING LISTENED TO EVERYBODY, I AM QUITE AMENABLE.
I WILL TALK TO IT TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN SET UP THE PROTOCOLS THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST ANOTHER STREAMING SERVICE, ANOTHER WAY FOR US TO GET OUT TO THE PUBLIC, WHAT WE ARE DOING IN A FORMAT THAT THEY CHOOSE.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S MUCH THE SAME.
LIKE WHEN YOU WATCH THE NEWS, SOME OF YOU WATCH ABC, SOME WATCH NBC, SOME WATCH, CBS, IT'S THE WAY YOU WANT TO GET THE NEWS.
WELL, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE COUNTY CHANNEL IT'S HOWEVER WE CAN GET TO THEM THAT WE'LL, WE'LL DO THAT AS BEST WE POSSIBLY CAN.
AND BY THE WAY, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF SHOTS TO DO THIS BEFOREHAND.
CAUSE WE'LL HAVE COMMITTEE MEETINGS THAT WE CAN DO THIS THIS WAY AS WELL.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION SEEING NONE.
LET'S GO TO THE COMMITTEE REPORTS.
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WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE PUBLIC FACILITIES BECAUSE THOSE ARE OUR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. AND THEN SEE IF THERE IS ANY OTHER PERSON WHO WISHES TO COMMENT.UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, RELATIVE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, UH, WHERE THERE'S A TOTAL OF FOUR, UH, FIRST ONE IS A $665,000 EXPENDITURE AS PART OF THE EXPANSION OF THE BUCK WALDER, RECREATIONAL ATHLETIC COMPLEX.
AND THESE ARE FUNDS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF THE IMPACT FEES.
AND THIS IS TO ACCOMMODATE THE GROWTH IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
THE SECOND IS DIRT ROAD PAVING.
WE HAVE A MULTI-YEAR PROGRAM AND THIS IS THE SECOND YEAR WITHIN THAT, UH, THAT PROGRAM.
UH, THE THIRD ITEM HAS TO DO WITH A MEMO OF AGREEMENT BETWEEN, UH, OURSELVES AND THE BLUFFTON FIRE, UH, TOWNSHIP FIRE DISTRICT.
AND IT HAS TO DO WITH THE RENOVATIONS OF THE STATION UP NEAR, UH, SUN CITY AND THE FOURTH ITEM FOR 133,000 IS, UH, EXPANDING OUR SERVER CAPACITY.
UM, WHICH I GUESS WE NEED ALL OF THESE CAME THROUGH, UH, PUBLIC FACILITIES UNANIMOUSLY, AS I REMEMBER.
AND SO THAT IS THE CONSENT AGENDA.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST IN, FROM THE COMMITTEE AND JUST IN GENERAL, UH, FIRST OF ALL, WE WERE VERY DELIGHTED TO LEARN THAT, UH, TIFFANY VAUGHN, WHO IS THE CLERK FOR OUR PARTICULAR COMMITTEE HAS JUST EARNED HER A MBA WITH A, I GUESS, A MAJOR AND A HUMAN RESOURCES.
AND SO WE'RE DELIGHTED THAT SHE HAS, UH, SHE HAS DONE THAT.
SHE DOES A GREAT JOB OF SERVING US.
UH, ONE OF OUR OBJECTIVES FOR THIS YEAR HAS TO DO WITH THE DEFENSE SKI FERRY.
AND WE HAD A, UH, A DISCUSSION WITH THE TOWN MANAGER IN SAVANNAH ABOUT A WEEK OR SO AGO AT THE INTRODUCED THE POSSIBLE CONCEPT, WHICH ESSENTIALLY SAYS, IF YOU LOOK AT BOTH SAVANNAH AND HILTON HEAD, THEY HAVE A EXTREMELY
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LARGE NUMBER ON THE ORDER OF 10 MILLION OVERNIGHT VISITORS.AND SO A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THOSE, IF WE COULD TRANSPORT THEM BY WATER WOULD BE A GOOD EXPERIENCE FOR THEM, PERHAPS A IT LEAD TO ADDITIONAL NIGHTS OF PEOPLE, UM, STAYING BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO DO.
AND, UH, PERHAPS IT WOULD ACTUALLY PAY FOR THE DAY FOR THE SERRA FERRY.
AND WE WOULD DO THAT AS AN ENTERPRISE ON.
SO ANYWAY, UH, THE OFFICIALS IN SAVANNAH WERE OPEN TO, UH, UH, EXPLORING THAT AND, UH, THEIR CITY MANAGER AND OUR, UH, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WILL START THAT PROCESS.
SO SOME POSSIBILITIES, UH, WE DID TALK BRIEFLY AT THE COMMITTEE ABOUT THE, UH, ABOUT THE COURTHOUSE.
AND I THINK THE, THIS CONSENSUS OF THE COUNCIL IS THAT A GOOD USE OF THAT WOULD BE FOR THE, UH, SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT FOR PART OF HIS ACTIVITIES.
AND SO I BELIEVE OUR, UH, PUBLIC WORKS AND SO ON FOLKS ARE ACTUALLY WORKING THROUGH THAT.
UM, WHAT WE WOULD PROBABLY SAY IT'S ABOUT A $900,000 EXPENDITURE PRIMARILY TO UPGRADE THE BUILDING.
UM, AND THEN, UH, THAT WOULD PROBABLY COME BACK TO US IN THE FORM OF APPROVALS FOR THE CONTRACT, UH, PROBABLY IN THE, UH, IN THE LATE SPRING.
UH, SO I THINK EVERYBODY SEEMS TO BE ON BOARD THAT THAT'S A GOOD USE.
UH, WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SO-CALLED SUMMIT ROAD, WHICH IS AT THE, UH, CONVENIENCE CENTER ON HILTON HEAD.
WE HAD AUTHORIZED A EASEMENT, UH, SO THAT THAT ROAD COULD BE RELOCATED, BUT TWO THINGS HAVE KIND OF HAPPENED.
ONE IS, UM, THE CONVENIENCE CENTER SEEMS TO BE RUNNING OKAY WITHOUT ACTUALLY MAKING THAT CHANGE.
AND, UH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HILTON HAD WANTED IN TERMS OF COMMITMENTS FROM THE, THE COUNTY, WHICH WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
SO I THINK WE KIND OF HAVE THAT ON HOLD FOR THE, UH, FOR THE TIME BEING AND KIND OF A WAIT AND SEE WHAT, UH, WHAT COMES OUT OF THAT.
UM, LAST ITEM I WOULD MENTION IS THE, UH, TWO 78 CORRIDOR PROJECT.
AND YOU HAVE TWO SLIDES IF THEY CAN BE PULLED UP, BUT, UH, ESSENTIALLY WE'VE HAD QUITE A FEW MEETINGS RECENTLY AND WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE THE MIDTERM OR THE MID, UH, ACTIVITY OF, UH, THE INDEPENDENT, UM, CONSULTANT WHO IS DOING THE REVIEW.
BUT AS BACKGROUND, YOU MAY REMEMBER, UH, FOR MANY MONTHS, PEOPLE WERE ASKING FOR SOME KIND OF A PEER REVIEW, UM, COUNSEL TOOK IT ON TO GO AHEAD AND AUTHORIZE THAT, UH, THIS WAS LAST FALL.
THE, UH, UH, WE AGREED TO DO IT WITH, UH, WITH THE TOWN OF, UH, THE ENGINEERS PUT TOGETHER A SCOPE OF WORK AND A COMPANY CALLED HDR WAS RETAINED IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT REVIEW.
SO AS I KIND OF LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE EITHER, THEY'VE GOT A SLIDE IN FRONT OF YOU AND I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM, BUT A COUPLE OF POINTS I WOULD TOUCH ON TERMS OF THE REVIEW ITSELF.
WE'VE HONORED THE REQUEST OF THE CITIZENS, THE SCOPE THAT EVERYBODY WANTED, I THINK GOT INCORPORATED.
UH, THERE WAS A DESIRE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY LOOKED FAR ENOUGH TO THE EAST, TO THE CROSS ISLANDS.
SO THAT'S BEEN ADDED, UH, THIS CREATED ANOTHER AVENUE FOR CITIZENS TO HAVE INPUT.
UH, THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE WAS CREATED, UH, WHICH WAS NOT TO DRIVE THE PROCESS, BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY WAS BEING HEARD, I BELIEVE THE PROJECT'S BEEN JUSTIFIED AND ACTUALLY IN THE WAY THE FEDS WORK, UH, DOWNSTREAM PROBABLY NEXT SUMMER, THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER WHAT THEY CALL VALUE ENGINEERING EXERCISE THAT, UH, TAKES PLACE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
UM, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT, UM, THE CONCEPT OF SIX LANES, WHETHER WE NEEDED FOUR OR SIX WAS SOMEWHAT CONTROVERSIAL IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT I THINK EVERYBODY'S JUST NARROWING IN ON THAT THE SIX MAKES SENSE.
AND IN FACT, EVEN IF YOU DISAGREED WITH THE GROWTH RATES, IT WOULD REACH THE POINT WHERE YOU NEEDED THE SIX.
UM, ANYWAY, IN TERMS OF THE, UH, THE ROADWAY PORTION OF IT, UH, I THINK WHERE EVERYBODY SEEMS TO BE PARTICULARLY COMING OUT OF HDR IS THAT THE ALTERNATIVES THAT WERE LOOKED AT WERE REASONABLE.
UM, THE ALIGNMENT ON THE LAND PORTION NEEDS TO GO DOWN TO THE CURRENT TWO 78, UH, ROADWAY.
UH, THEY LOOKED AT THE CONCEPT OF A REVERSIBLE LANE AND CONCLUDED THAT IT WAS NOT PRACTICAL.
UM, THE SO-CALLED ANNUAL AVERAGE, UH, TRAFFIC COUNTS A D T UM, I THINK THOSE HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED AS BEING ACCURATE.
THEY ALSO CONFIRMED THAT THE FUNDING SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT, UM, JENKINS ISLAND, UH, STILL IN PROCESS.
BUT I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME KIND OF A CONNECTION UNDER THE BRIDGES FOR THOSE THAT ARE FAMILIAR WITH IT RIGHT AWAY AND WITHIN THE STONEY AREA.
ALTHOUGH THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE IS, UM, UH, COMING OUT IN MAY, UH, DLT HAS IN FACT INDICATED WHAT THE, UH, WHAT THAT IS, UM, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, BECAUSE THERE WERE FOUR ALTERNATIVES, BUT THEY ALL HAPPENED TO BE THE SAME.
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THE TWO ISSUES THAT THEY'VE IDENTIFIED, ONE IS THE SAFETY AND THE OTHER IS THE CONGESTION.UH, SECOND PAGE, IF YOU WOULD, SOON SECOND TAB, IF YOU CAN FIND IT.
UM, WELL ESSENTIALLY, UH, UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL ALTERNATIVES THAT ARE STILL IN PROCESS, AND MY HOPE IS THAT AS DRT HDR FINISHES THEIR WORK, THAT WE WILL, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT THOSE WILL ALL BE EVALUATED.
AND I THINK THE TWO KEY PIECES THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FOR THE ALTERNATIVES THAT ARE IN PLAY AT THIS POINT IN TIME IS WHAT ARE THE PROS AND CONS OF EACH ONE OF THOSE.
AND THEN SECONDLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THEIR RECOMMENDATION? AND IF I'M PURELY LOOKING AT IT FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, RECOGNIZING THAT ONCE A DLT GETS INTO ITS FINAL DETERMINATION, THERE'S OTHER FACTORS SUCH AS MITIGATION AND COSTS THAT ENTERED INTO.
BUT MY HOPE IS THAT HDR WILL IDENTIFY WHAT THE BEST TRAFFIC IS.
SO ANYWAY, I THINK SOME GOOD WORK ON THEIR PART.
I THINK THE PROCESSES PROCESS IS MOVING ALONG IN AN ORDERLY FASHION, AND WE'LL LOOK FOR THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE IN ABOUT TWO MONTHS.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT WAS ALL I HAD FOR A FELT FACILITIES.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, WISH TO REPORT AT THIS TIME? MR. LAWSON ASKS FROM THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, UM, UH, OUR BUDGET DIRECTOR, WE HAVE MADE ONE CHANGE TO OUR CALENDAR COMING UP UNDER MR. HERBERT SHAW'S RECOMMENDATION.
SO WE DIDN'T COLLIDE WITH PARISH.
WE ARE MOVING ONE OF OUR WORKSHOPS FROM THE 16TH 23RD.
SHE WILL COME AFTER THE NEW YEAR UPDATED CALENDAR AND THEN UNDER, UM, ACTION ITEMS. UH, WE DO HAVE, UM, THE SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING OF OUR, UH, AWARDS OF A LOCAL FOUNDATIONS, UM, TAXES.
AND THEN, UH, ALSO, UM, WE HAVE, UH, UM, MISS BRITTANY RICHLAND, UM, UH, GIVE ME A RECOMMENDATION.
UH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SURPLUS FUND BALANCE.
WE WERE INVESTED AS YOU USE THAT MONEY TO SAVE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE MS. HOWARD, JUST BRIEFLY THE STORMWATER BOARD MET MARCH 10TH IN PERSON FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A YEAR.
UM, AND THEY OVER THE BUDGET THAT IS PROPOSED FOR NEXT YEAR AND, UM, HAD A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, BUT PRETTY QUICK MEETING, UM, LIBRARY BOARD MET TOO.
AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF, UM, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO REPORT OUT OF THEIR MEETING OR NOT TONIGHT.
ANYONE ELSE? UM, QUICK COMMENTS FROM ME, THE, UH, UH, BUFORD JASPER HIGHER EDUCATION COMMISSION THAT ON THE 9TH OF MARCH, UH, THE MAJOR ITEM OF DISCUSSION WAS THE REFINANCING OF THE DEBT.
UM, THERE WAS A FAVORABLE MOTION TO REFINANCE THE DEBT TO SAVE, UH, THE, UH, COMMISSION, UH, CONSERVABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY, AS WELL AS CONSOLIDATING THE DEBT.
AND THEIR NEXT MEETING WILL BE ON MARCH OUR ON MAY 11TH.
AND FINALLY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SINCE THE VACCINATIONS BEGAN WAS THE ABILITY TO GET THE VACCINES INTO BUFORD COUNTY AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
ONCE WE GOT THEM TO GET THEM IN THE ARMS INDIVIDUALLY, WE'VE HELD NUMEROUS MEETINGS WITH OUR STATE SENATOR, UM, TOM DAVIS, WHO HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN WORKING WITH D HACK TO GET US A PRODUCT AND TO HIS CREDIT, ERIC GREENWAY, AND HAS STEPPED UP TO FIND SOCIETIES THAT CAN BE USED FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME, SO THAT WE DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE WHAT IS CALLED THESE POP-UP SESSIONS, WHERE YOU WILL USE THE PARKING LOT OF A HIGH SCHOOL IN HOPES THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SET UP WHETHER IT'S GOOD, THAT YOU CAN HAVE THE EVENT, YOU CAN DO MANY PEOPLE AND THEN BREAK IT DOWN AND THEN HAVE THEM COME BACK THREE OR FOUR WEEKS LATER, DEPENDING UPON THE PARTICULAR VACCINE.
I'M PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THAT SOMETIME THIS WEEK, WE ARE GOING TO START THAT PROCESS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO USE ONE OF OUR COUNTY FACILITIES, SO THAT, UM, UH, COASTAL CAROLINA AND HILTON HEAD ISLAND HOSPITAL, WE'LL BE USING ONE OF OUR FACILITIES WHERE THEY WILL BE ABLE TO VACCINATE LARGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, BECAUSE THAT'S THE KEY NOW IS GETTING
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PEOPLE VACCINATED AND WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON THAT TO MOVE, UH, PLACES AROUND THE COUNTY.WE'RE NOW READY FOR THE CONSENT
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AGENDA ITSELF.SO WHEN I WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION FROM A MEMBER OF COUNCIL IS TO, UM, APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SO MOVE AT YOUR CHAIRMAN STAIR.
UH, MR. RODMAN MAKES THE MOTION.
MAY I HAVE A SECOND, PLEASE? THANK YOU, MS. HOWARD, IT HAS BEEN DULY MOTION AND SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, UH, WHICH ARE ON PAGE THREE OF THE AGENDA.
UM, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION SEEING NONE? WOULD YOU RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU WISH TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AND SEEING THAT, UH, EVERYONE HAS RAISED THEIR HAND, THEREFORE THE CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED.
[10. PUBLIC HEARING AND SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE REGARDING A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT/REZONING REQUEST FOR 1.96 ACRES (R600 036 000 015E 0000) AT THE INTERSECTION MAY RIVER ROAD AND BENTON LANE FROM T3 EDGE TO T2 RURAL CENTER.]
THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ACTUALLY, I, I WOULD LIKE SOMEONE TO MOTION ITEM NUMBER 10, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE REGARDING A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT REZONING REQUEST FOR 1.9, SIX, SIX ACRES AT THE INTERSECTION OF MAY RIVER ROAD AND LANE FROM A T3 ED TO T T TO RURAL CENTER MOTION, PLEASE.SO MOVED MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. CUNNINGHAM MAKES THE MOTION SECOND.
MR. LAWSON WILL MAKE THE SECOND.
AND NOW WE BEGIN THE DISCUSSION SINCE MR. CUNNINGHAM MADE THE MOTION.
HE WILL GO FIRST FOLLOWED BY MR. LAWSON AND THEN OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS TO WEIGH IN.
UH, I THINK I SPOKE TO PRETTY GOOD LENGTH ABOUT THIS AT THE LAST MEETING.
UM, AND HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS TO DRIVE BY THE PROPERTIES SEED'S EXACT LOCATION.
UM, DURING THAT TIME WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD A COUPLE MORE PEOPLE FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, TWO PEOPLE, I BELIEVE THAT ROPE ORIGINAL STATEMENTS AGAINST THE REZONING.
UM, THEY RECITED THOSE AND, UM, I KNOW THE GENTLEMAN THAT, UM, WAS GOING FOR THE REZONING HAD THOSE SENT OUT TO OUR EMAILS AS WELL.
UH, I DO NOT HAVE MY BROUGHT UP RIGHT NOW TO BE HONEST THOUGH.
UM, AND I THINK WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST COUNTY MEETING WHEN, UM, MR. GREENWAY SPOKE THAT THERE IS ALREADY, UM, COMMERCIAL ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT WITHIN A QUARTER OF A MILE.
I THINK THAT WAS THE STATEMENT.
UH, SO IT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY CLASSIFY AS SPOT ZONING.
UH, MR. LAWSON, YOU WERE THE SECOND.
UM, LET ME JUST POINT OUT THAT THIS PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED BACK IN 2004 AND IT HAD A COMMERCIAL ZONING AT THAT TIME.
UM, THERE'S PROPERTY THEN, UM, IT WAS OWNED BY THE SAME PEOPLE.
THIS IS NOT A DEVELOPER COMING AND ASKING FOR A CHANGE.
UM, IT WAS THEN, UH, THROUGH A CHARRETTE, I THINK WAS WHAT WE WERE TOLD.
THEY THEN CHANGED THE ZONING WITHOUT THE OWNER.
NO, AND, AND I THINK THAT, UM, UH, WE, WE HAD CONFIRMED THAT THEY DID NOT RECEIVE ANY TYPE OF NOTIFICATION THAT THE ZONING CHANGED.
UH, IN 2007, 2008, THEY ACTUALLY APPLIED FOR A COMMERCIAL COMMENT, WAS APPROVED A PARTIAL OF A COMMERCIAL PERMIT, BUT BECAUSE OF THE RECESSION OF 2008, 2009, NEVER PICKED UP THE PERMIT OR NEVER STARTED ANY CONSTRUCTION, UH, IT THEN WAS REZONED AND REZONED DOWN.
SO, UM, UH, THE OWNER NOW IS COMING BACK AND, UH, ASKING, NOT, NOT ASKING FOR THE FULL BLOWN COMMERCIAL AT ONCE HAD, BUT ASKING FOR A SLIGHTLY HIGHER ZONING THAN WHAT THEY HAVE CURRENTLY.
UH, AGAIN, I AM SOMEONE THAT IS, IS NOT FOR BLANKETED, UM, DEVELOPMENT, LET THINGS HAPPEN, HOWEVER, AS A PROPERTY RIGHTS ISSUE, I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF I WAS THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY AND IT WAS OWN COMMERCIAL WHEN I BOUGHT IT AND YOU'VE HAD IT FOR, FOR 16 YEARS NOW, AND NOW I FIND OUT THAT THERE'S NOT A COMMERCIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY.
I KNOW THAT THAT EVERYONE FEELS FOR THESE PEOPLE.
AND I, IT AGAINST SPOT ZONING HAS BEEN THE, THE, UH, THE, THE SPECIAL WORD THAT EVERYONE'S USING, THAT WE CAN'T USE IT AS SPOT ZONING.
HOWEVER WE NEED TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS, WHICH I HEAR ALL THE TIME FROM EVERYBODY.
UH, AND, AND MAKING SURE WE TAKE CARE OF OUR PEOPLE.
THIS IS IN MY DISTRICT, UM, AND THERE IS COMMERCIAL LEFT AND RIGHT.
I WOULDN'T HAVE JUST ASSUMED THAT THIS WAS COMMERCIAL ANYHOW.
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I GUESS IF WE DON'T APPROVE IT, UH, THEY'LL SIMPLY BE ABLE TO FIND CONTIGUOUS PROPERTY TO ZONE INTO THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON TO GET HIS OWN COMMERCIAL.SO, UM, THIS IS WHERE WE HURT OURSELVES.
UM, AND AGAIN, IT'S SURROUNDED BY, BY BLUFFTON, UM, TOWN PROPERTY AS IT IS NOW.
SO THERE'S A POCKET THAT'S THERE.
SO AGAIN, I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR IT.
UM, I REALIZED THAT THERE'S PEOPLE FOR AND AGAINST THIS, HOWEVER, I THINK IT IS THE, THE RIGHT THING TO DO FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT OWN THE PROPERTY.
OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE'LL ASK STAFF TO GIVE US SOME INFORMATION, MR. FALWELL, AND YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP NEXT, YOU'RE STILL ON MUTE.
I WAS MUMBLING TO MYSELF THAT I NEED TO GET OUT.
AND YOU, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE THE COUNCIL MAN, WHOSE DISTRICT THIS PROPERTY RESIDES IS, IS FOR IT.
SO, UM, THAT'S GENERALLY MY PHILOSOPHY, UNLESS I CAN FIND SOME REALLY HUGE OVERRIDING REASON TO OPPOSE IT.
AND FRANKLY, THE ONLY REASON I HAD TO OPPOSE IT, IT WASN'T DEVELOPING ON EITHER SIDE AND UREA.
THAT WAS MY PARTICULAR PROBLEM.
MY PROBLEM IS THAT THIS DOES NOT HAVE, UM, CITY WATER OR SEWER BILLS, AND IT'S NOT CONNECTED TO BUFORD JASPER WATER, SEWER AUTHORITY.
AND I THINK THAT IN ITSELF IS A LIMITING FEATURE.
IT WILL, IT WILL, IT WILL TEND TO CURTAIL DEVELOPMENT OR LIMIT POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT BEYOND A CERTAIN SIZE.
SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE FOR THIS AND SUPPORT MS. HOWARD, GO AHEAD.
I THINK COUNCILMAN GOVER WAS AHEAD OF ME.
MR. GLOVER, GET A FEW PREVENT ME.
UM, I'M GOING TO S I'M I'M I'M, I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THIS, UM, BECAUSE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS AGAINST YOU.
THE SUM OF ALL IT AGAINST IS AT THIS TIME.
UM, I THINK THE, UM, THE WHOLE ENTIRE PROCESS, UH, LENDS ITSELF TO PEOPLE PARTICIPATING IN THAT EFFORT AND APPARENTLY THE COMMUNITY AT THE TIME, UH, DID NOT WANT THIS TO HAPPEN.
AND I THINK THAT FOR, FOR, FOR, FOR ANYBODY TO GO AGAINST THE COMMUNITY, I THINK THEY SHOULD ACTUALLY GO BEFORE THE COMMUNITY AND GET THEIR SUPPORT, UM, UH, ON THIS EFFORT.
UM, SO I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THIS JUST BECAUSE, UM, UH, IS THAT RECOMMENDED BY THE STAFF BANKS? YES.
I DID GO BUY THE PROPERTY AND SPENT SOME TIME ACTUALLY DRIVING IT AND DOWN THAT ROAD, UM, AND DRIVING A LITTLE BIT INTO CEDAR, LIKE, AND, UM, I APPRECIATE WHAT COUNSELING CUNNINGHAM HAS SAID ABOUT WHAT, WHAT THE OWNERS HAVE PROMISED.
BUT AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT UNDER THIS ZONING, YOU COULD HAVE A GREAT VARIETY OF THINGS.
YOU COULD HAVE A GAS STATION, YOU COULD HAVE A BAR, YOU COULD HAVE A NIGHTCLUB, AND THERE WAS NOTHING TO KEEP THEM FROM DOING THAT.
I DON'T, I, YOU SAY ALL THIS, THEIR WORD, BUT, UM, THERE WERE MAYBE THEIR WORD, BUT ONCE IT'S REZONED, UM, THEY CAN SELL THE PROPERTY TO SOMEBODY ELSE AND THEY CAN DO WHATEVER IS ALLOWED UNDER T2 RC.
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR SOME MORE FROM STAFF BECAUSE I KNOW THEY GAVE US A LOT MORE INFORMATION AS TO THEM NOT KNOWING THAT IT HAD BEEN REZONED.
I THINK WHEN YOU GET YOUR, UM, YOUR PROPERTY STATEMENTS THAT HAS YOUR ZONING ON THERE, UM, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
SO, UH, MAYBE THEY DIDN'T MAKE ALL THE PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT WERE HELD WHEN WE WENT TO THIS FORM OF ZONING, BUT STILL SOMEBODY PAID THE PROPERTY TAXES.
SO THEY SHOULD HAVE NOTICED IT AT THAT TIME.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM STAFF, BUT I, AT THIS POINT I AM GOING TO VOTE AGAINST IT AND, UM, APPRECIATE OTHER PEOPLE'S POINT OF VIEW, BUT I, I'M VERY WORRIED THAT ONCE THIS REZONE, THAT IT WILL CHANGE THE VERY NATURE OF THIS, THIS ROADWAY.
UM, IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF COUNCIL THAT WANTS TO SAY ANYTHING BEFORE I ASKED MR. MERCHANT TO WEIGH IN ON THIS, JOE STU, GO AHEAD.
UM, I'M GOING TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS.
UH, I DON'T THINK A STRONG CASE HAS BEEN MADE TO OVERRULE THE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER FROM THAT, THAT DISTRICT, WHICH WE TYPICALLY TRY TO HONOR, UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING MAJOR.
I DID GO AND LOOK AT THE PROPERTY AND IT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING, A LITTLE MAP IN MY CAR SHOWS PRITCHARD VILLE, ESSENTIALLY WHERE THIS IS, AND IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE PRICHARD VILLE IS PROBABLY GOING TO DEVELOP AS THE MORE OR LESS THE COMMUNITY CENTER IN THAT PART OF THE COUNTY, UH, WHICH IS BETWEEN BLUFFTON.
AND, UH, UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT, UH, UM, THAT THIS WOULD GET
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ANNEXED INTO, UH, UH, BLUFFTON WITH MAYBE WORSE ZONING, UH, IF WE DO NOT APPROVE IT.AND SECONDLY, I WAS QUITE TAKEN IT THERE, A PREVIOUS MEETING, THERE WERE SEVERAL MEMBERS THAT SAID THEY VOTED AGAINST IT BECAUSE IT WAS SPOT ZONING IN TALKING TO THE ADMINISTRATION.
THEY AGREE THAT IT'S NOT SPOT ZONING.
THEY HAVE OTHER CONCERNS NOT TO PUT WORDS IN THEIR MOUTH, BUT I THINK THE ARGUMENT ABOUT SPOT ZONING IS NO LONGER APPLICABLE.
SO ANYWAY, I WILL VOTE FOR IT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MR.
WHERE DOES THE TOWN LIMITS AND RELATIVE TO THIS PROPERTY? I THINK IT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED YARDS.
MAYBE, MAYBE THERE WAS A MAP THAT SOMEBODY HAD UP EARLIER ON IT, TWO PROPERTIES.
I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT JUST FOR THE RECORD, BUT, UM, THAT'S AN INTERESTING POINT.
I JUST WANTED TO TAKE THE TIME TO THANK COUNCILMAN RODMAN AND, UM, COUNCILMAN HOWARD FOR DRIVING OUT THERE AND SEEING THE PROPERTY, WHETHER WE AGREE OR DISAGREE.
UM, ICELAND, THANK YOU GUYS FOR BOTH DOING THAT.
UM, UH, MR. MERCHANT, UM, YOU'RE WITH US WHILE YOU WEIGH IN.
UM, WELL YOU RECEIVED IN THIS, UH, FOR SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING, UH, AN ADDITIONAL MEMO IN PACKET THAT ADDRESSED THE TWO ISSUES RELATING, I THINK THAT WERE RAISED AT A FIRST READING.
ONE WAS THE CONCERN ABOUT SCOTT SIPPING.
UM, AND, AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, TECHNICALLY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WOULD DEFINE SPOT ZONING AS IDENTIFY ONE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, THAT SURROUNDED BY ANOTHER ZONING DISTRICT AND, AND HAVING, YOU KNOW, A DIFFERENT ZONING FOR ONE SPECIFIC OPPORTUNITY, YOU KNOW, THAT GENERALLY MEETS THE DEFINITION OF SPOT ZONING.
HOWEVER, THERE IS A HISTORY OF THIS PROPERTY HAVING COMMERCIAL ZONING.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF, YOU KNOW, IF COUNCIL WERE TO MOVE FORWARD TO CHANGES FORWARD TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF THIS PROPERTY, THE TEACHER RURAL CENTER, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A HISTORY THAT SETS IT APART FROM OTHER SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
SO I GUESS, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF A LONG WAY OF SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE A REASON TO, TO NOT SUPPORT IT, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS PROBABLY AS FAR AS, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY THAT IT IS MAKING, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A, UH, IT'S THE MOVE THAT CAN BE CHALLENGED BECAUSE IT'S CONCEIVED, SEEN AS ARBITRARY BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY HAS A HISTORY OF BEING SO COMMERCIAL.
SO THAT'S GENERALLY OUR VIEW OF THE ISSUE OF SPOT ZONING, THE, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT ANY POINT, JUST LET ME KNOW.
UM, THE OTHER ISSUE WAS THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE, UM, ZONE CHOSE.
THE APPLICANT IS VERY INTERESTED IN, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING A COMMERCIAL DISC OR A ZONING DISTRICT THAT SUPPORTS THE COMMERCIAL LOOSE.
THE SITE STAFF ACTUALLY DIRECTED THEM TOWARDS THE RURAL T2 RURAL CENTER, BECAUSE THAT'S THE SAME DISTRICT THAT IS RIGHT DOWN THE ROADS, UM, WHERE THE DOLLAR GENERAL AND IRISH STATION LOCATED.
SO THAT'S A DISTRICT THAT'S ALREADY IN THE PRINTER AND COMMUNITY, AND WE FELT WAS CONSISTENT.
THERE IS ONE ADDITIONAL ZONING DISTRICT THAT IS ALLOWS COMMERCIAL, BUT IT'S MUCH LESS INTENSE, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE, THIS WOULD MEET THE INTEREST OF THE APPLICANT BECAUSE IT LIMITS BUILDINGS TO 3,500 SQUARE FEET.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, BASED ON WHAT THEIR INTEREST HAS BEEN IN DEVELOPING THE SITE, SO MAYBE THAT DISTRICT CERTAINLY IS A LOT LESS INTENSE, BUT THIS IS NOT AT ALL WHAT THE APPLICANT IS INTERESTED IN DOING, YOU KNOW, TO SUPPORT WHAT THEY'RE DOING PROPERTY.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I GUESS IT'S OUR STAFF VIEWPOINT THAT IF THIS PROPERTY IS TWO EPISODE TWO, A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TEACHING RURAL CENTER IS THE MOST APPROPRIATE OF THE DISTRICTS TO CHOOSE.
BEFORE WE MOVE ON, NOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WEIGHED IN, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I WOULD LIKE SAY, UH, NOW IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO WEIGH IN IF ANY PUB PUBLIC MEMBERS ARE IN ATTENDANCE OR ON-LINE TO ADDRESS COUNCIL REGARDING
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THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM.SARAH, IS ANYONE ASKING TO BE HEARD REGARDING THIS ITEM? OKAY, I'M SORRY.
I DIDN'T QUITE HEAR YOU, OR WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO THERE IS NO FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
THE CURRENT STONING IS T THREE EDGE.
WHAT IS ALLOWED TO BE BUILT IN T3 EDGE THAT WOULD REQUIRE US TO CHANGE THIS BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY WANTS TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ALLOWED THERE.
IF I'VE STATED THAT CORRECTLY.
T3 EDGE IS ALMOST PRIMARILY A SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
IT'LL OTHER USES SUCH AS HOME BUSINESSES ALLOWS, UM, UH, MEETING PLACES, HOUSES OF WORSHIP.
IT IS FAIRLY RESTRICTIVE AND BEING A SINGLE FAMILY.
AND DO WE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR AT THIS POINT IN TIME? I KNOW WHAT ALICE SAID YET.
ONCE IT GOES TO T3 EDGE TO RURAL, UM, THEY HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THEY SAY THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT'S WITHIN THAT PARTICULAR SCOPE, ONCE IT, ONCE THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN CHANGED, CORRECT.
AND WE INCLUDED A LANGUAGE FROM THAT DISTRICT IN THE PACKET.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A USE TABLE THAT LISTS ALL THE USES IN THEM.
AND IT'S A FAIRLY, THE ONE THING THAT DISTRICT DOES IS IT LIMITS THE SIZE OF THINGS TO 15,000 SQUARE FEET FOR RETAIL.
BUT, UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT ALLOWS FAIRLY WIDE ARRAY OF, OF NON-RESIDENTIAL USES.
UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO, UM, TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS SEEING NO FURTHER ACTION.
THIS IS THE SECOND MEETING AND WE'VE HELD THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR AN ORDINANCE.
THERE WILL BE ONE MORE MEETING BEFORE THIS IS FINALIZED.
SO, UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE SECOND READING TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE THIRD AND FINAL READING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
WE HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, THERE ARE FIVE YESES.
ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX.
SO IT IS GOING TO PASS ALL THOSE OPPOSED.
UM, AND I WILL OPPOSE, SO THERE'S FOUR AND ONE ABSTENTION.
THEREFORE IT MOVES ON TO THE THIRD READING.
UM, WERE YOU ABLE TO GET ALL OF THOSE VOTES CORRECTLY, SARAH OR I'M CHAIRMAN AT IT? AND I DIDN'T NOTE WHO ABSTAIN, UH, THE ABSTENTION WOULD BE MR. DAWSON.
HE DID NOT RAISE HIS HAND FOR OREGON.
SO IT IS SIX FIVE SEVEN FOUR SIX FIVE 65.
UH, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA
[11. PUBLIC HEARING AND SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE APPROVING THE 2021 AWARDS OF LOCAL ACCOMMODATIONS AND HOSPITALITY]
IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE APPROVING THE 2021 AWARDS FOR LOCAL ACCOMMODATIONS AND HOSPITALITY.MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE FOR THAT ITEM ALMOST AS CHAIRMAN MR. DAWSON AND MR. GLOVER MOTIONED.
AND SECOND, IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO IS EITHER IN ATTENDANCE ON MORE ONLINE THAT WISHES TO COMMENT REGARDING THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA? OKAY.
THEN THE PUBLIC HEARING SESSION WILL BE CLOSED.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM ANY MEMBER OF COUNCIL? UM, I ONLY SEE SO MANY PEOPLE AND I DON'T SEE ANYBODY WISHING TO COMMENT THIS CHAIRMAN.
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UH, MR. GLOVER.JUST, JUST WANT TO SAY, UM, UH, IF, IF THIS IS UNANIMOUS AND SUPPORTED MOVING FORWARD, UH, JUST MOVE THE THING.
THANK COUNCIL FOR THE FIRST READING, UM, SUPPORTING, UM, WHAT I CONSIDER, UM, TRULY WOULD BE A GREAT ASSET COMING TO THE COUNTY IN THE RECONSTRUCTION ERA AND OUR EFFORT AND DOING IS SUPPORTING THAT EFFORT.
AND JUST WANT TO THANK YOU IN ADVANCE TO HALL COUNCIL MEMBERS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE VOTE, MR. ROBIN? YEAH.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST BUILDING ON WHAT YORK SAID.
I THINK WE ALL A BIG THANK YOU TO, UH, THE MAYOR, BILLY, WHO IS, UH, REALLY LED THE CHARGE ON THIS AND, UH, DONE, DONE A GREAT JOB.
AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE, UH, A GREAT THING.
AS WE REMEMBER, TWO, THREE YEARS AGO, WE MOVED TO A NATIONAL MONUMENT AND THEN RECENTLY TO A NATIONAL PARK.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS SEEING NO OTHER COMMENTS? ALTHOUGH MR. DAWSON, IF I MIGHT ALSO, AS WE LOOK AT THOSE GOING THROUGH THE FRUSTRATING, WE NEED TO GIVE THANKS TO, UM, ONE ABOUT STAFF WHO WAS, UH, HAYES WILLIAMS HAYES DID AN EXCELLENT JOB.
UM, GETTING THESE PROJECTS, GETTING ALL THE PROJECTS OF THE LAST ALLOCATION.
SO WE THINK HAYES IS WORTH EIGHT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE SECOND READING FOR ITEM NUMBER 11, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE, 10, AND 11.
[12. FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO ESTABLISH THE INITIAL RESIDENTIAL SOLID WASTE FEE AS A UNIFORM SERVICE CHARGE FOR THE SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING ENTERPRISE SYSTEM FOR BEAUFORT COUNTY TO FUND THE PLANNING, DESIGNING, CONSTRUCTING, AND MAINTAINING SOLID WASTE AND RECYLING MANAGEMENT PROGRAMS, PROJECTS, AND FACILITIES; AND OTHER MATTERS RELATED THERETO]
NUMBER 12 IS A FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO ESTABLISH THE INITIAL RESIDENTIAL SOLID WASTE FEE AS A UNIFORM SERVICE CHARGE FOR THE SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING ENTERPRISE SYSTEM FOR ABUSER COUNTY TO FUND THE PLANNING, DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION, AND MAINTAINING SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING MANAGEMENT PROGRAMS, PROJECTS, AND FACILITIES, AND OTHER MATTERS RELATED THERE TO MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE FIRST READING.UH, MR. SUMMERVILLE MAKES THE SECOND, OKAY.
MR. GLOVER, YOU MADE THE MOTION.
UM, I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR SOME TIMES CHAIRMAN AND, UM, IT MAY NOT BE PERFECT, BUT I THINK WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND I WANT TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD.
I'M ASKING YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, MR.
I'VE UM, AFTER A LOT OF SOUL SEARCHING, I THINK THAT I'M GOING TO OPPOSE THIS I'M I'M CONCERNED THAT IT IS, UM, THAT IT PLACES AN UNFAIR BURDEN OR A TO TOO QUICKLY IN OUR UNFAIR BURDEN ON PROPERTY THAT IS, UM, UM, ASSESSED IN A LOWER VALUE.
I THINK THAT IT'S, UM, IT'S A REGRESSIVE TAX AND I'M JUST NOT GOING TO, I'M JUST NOT GOING TO GO FOR IT.
I THINK THERE, THERE MIGHT BE SOME OTHER WAY TO FUND THAT PROGRAM PERHAPS THROUGH, UM, SOME KIND OF TALLY, UM, AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER SITES TO FIND OUT WHO'S ACTUALLY DROPPING TRASH OFF.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THIS IS NOT FUN.
JUST THE CONVENIENCE CENTERS IS TO ALL OF OUR PROGRAMS ON TO SOLID WASTE.
BUT I THINK, I THINK THAT WHERE WE'RE NOT GOING ENOUGH TO PREVENT THIS FROM BECOMING OUR AGGRESSIVE TAX.
THANK YOU, MR. HERBIE, SEAN, YOU WERE NEXT.
UH, I AM GOING TO SUPPORT THIS THIS TIME.
I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT I WILL GOING FORWARD FOR BASICALLY THE EXACT SAME REASONS THAT MR.
ALL OF THAT SAID, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB OF COMMUNICATING TO THE PUBLIC, WHAT THIS IS AND WHAT IT MEANS.
SO I WOULD BE CURIOUS, UM, MAYBE WE COULD HAVE A MEMBER OF THE ADMINISTRATION UPON SORRY TO UNDER THE BUS, BUT SO MY QUESTIONS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PUBLIC, WHAT IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND? WHY DO WE NEED ONE? AND THEN
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IF THIS IS GOING TO BE 169 BUCKS PLUS OR MINUS FOR HOMEOWNERS, WHAT TAX WOULD THEY BE RELIEVED OF? IT NOW COMES FROM THE GENERAL FUND PER HOME.SO IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT'S THE NET ECONOMIC IMPACT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE AVERAGE CITIZEN OF BEAVER COUNTY? WELL, I CAN, I'LL I'LL ADDRESS THE LAST QUESTION IF YOU DON'T MIND.
AND I'M GOING TO TURN THE FIRST TWO OVER TO MR. WILHELM AND, UH, JARED WHO WORKED ON THIS OF RUM, THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION BEFORE I WAS IN THIS ROLE, UM, WE HAVE RUN SOME NUMBERS AND TO MR. FLU ELLEN'S POINT, WHICH IS AN EXCELLENT POINT.
UM, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO BALANCE OUT A $169 SOLID WASTE FEE ANNUALLY THROUGH PROPERTY TAXES, IT TAKES A VERY EXPENSIVE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TO PAY THAT AMOUNT OF TAXES ON SOLID WASTE, UH, EVERY YEAR.
SO, UH, TO HIS POINT, UH, THAT'S THAT BEST IDEA.
SO FOLKS THAT PAY LESS THAN $169 IN TEXAS, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GOING TO SEE AN INCREASE ON, ON THEIR BILLS.
SO THERE IS GOING TO BE THAT THAT'S GONNA BE A LOT OF MANUFACTURED HOME DWELLERS OF PROBABLY RURAL RESIDENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
DO WE HAVE TO KNOW ON AVERAGE WHAT THE ADULT WE'RE WORKING ON THAT FOR YOU ALL RIGHT NOW? SO YOU ALL DO IT THIS EVENING.
WE'LL HAVE THOSE ANSWERS, TIDY IT UP OR MOVE ON TO THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, AND I'LL LET, UH, MR.
THEY PROBABLY DID A BETTER JOB THAN I COULD, AND, UH, WHERE WE, UH, HOW WE ARRIVED AT THIS POINT.
SO JEREMY, YOU WANT TO THINK THAT, UH, SURE.
UM, SO AN ENTERPRISE FUND IS IN ESSENCE, A SEXUAL, UH, DEPARTMENT ROLLED OUT OF THE GENERAL OPERATING FUND, UM, OR A SPECIFIC REASON WE CURRENTLY HAVE
ONE IS OUR STORMWATER DEPARTMENT AND WHICH HAS A SIMILAR FEE THAT IS ASSESSED COUNTY Y ON RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND SEPARATELY AS OUR AIRPORT FUNCTIONS.
UM, WHAT THE ENTERPRISE B R N DOES IT ALLOWS THAT UNIT TO BE A STANDALONE UNIT, SUCH THAT IT HAS A BROWARD HE FOCUSED.
UM, SO THE PRIORITIES OF THE COUNTY AT LARGE, UM, IN THE GENERAL FUND REVENUES AND BUDGETS ARE NOT CONSTRAINED THAT SPECIFIC PRIOR AS, UM, THE DEPARTMENT.
SO FOR SOLID WASTE, AGAIN, THEY HAVE THERE A SOLID WASTE FEE THAT IS ASSESSED ANNUALLY AS PART OF THE TAX BILL.
UM, AND THEN THE AIRPORT IS A REVENUE BASED ENTERPRISE PLAN.
SO IT IS A SOLE REVENUE GENERATOR THAT FUNDS ITS OWN SEPARATE OPERATIONS OUTSIDE OF THE GENERAL FUND.
THIS WOULD BE MUCH ALIGNED WITH THE STORMWATER YOU HAVE IN YOUR ENTERPRISE PLAN.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THE, THE SOLE PURPOSE IS TO PUT A SPECIAL LAST AND FOCUSED EFFORT, UM, ON THIS PATH THAT THE COUNTY PROVIDES AS A SERVICE OTHER QUESTIONS.
JUST THE SCREEN IS UP A STEW, JOE, JUST THE HISTORY OF THIS IS WE DID A PASS AN ORDINANCE SOMETIME AGO TO SET UP THE ENTERPRISE FUND.
UM, UH, SECONDLY, WHEN WE WERE STARTING TO TAKE UP THE FEE, WHICH COMES FROM A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS, UM, WE WERE ALL IN FAVOR OF IT AT THAT TIME, BUT AN ISSUE CAME UP ABOUT WHETHER THERE'S SOME DWELLINGS THAT REALLY LOOK MORE LIKE RESIDENTIAL, UH, BUT THEY WERE BEING CLASSIFIED AS COMMERCIAL.
SO WE SAID WE WOULD HOLD OFF UNTIL WE, UH, GOT THROUGH THAT.
UM, AS I MENTIONED AT CAUCUS, THE, UM, THE, UH, ESSENTIALLY WHAT I BELIEVE THE STAFF HAS COME UP WITH IS A MECHANISM WHERE EVEN IF SOMETHING IS A COMMERCIAL ENTITY, FOR EXAMPLE, SOMEBODY WHO HAS AN APARTMENT HOUSE WITH FIVE UNITS THAT, UH, THEY, THEY COULD BE CLASSIFIED AS A DWELLING.
UM, AND THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ESSENTIALLY ALLOW THEM TO COME INTO THE ENTERPRISE FUND AND NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH A COMMERCIAL HOLLER, UH, WHICH IS ACTUALLY GOOD IN THE SENSE THAT WE, WE DO WANT TO GET AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN, UH, INVOLVED IN THIS.
UH, THERE'S TWO OTHER POTENTIAL USES, UM, THAT HAVE COME UP.
UM, ONE WOULD BE, UH, SOMEBODY WHO HAS A SMALL BUSINESS, UM, AND MAYBE IT LOOKS COMMERCIAL ON PAPER, BUT IT'S REALLY LOOKS MORE LIKE IT'S SO SMALL THAT IT PROBABLY MAKES MORE SENSE TO BE
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TREATED AS THIS AND SOME OF THE NONPROFITS THAT DON'T GENERATE VERY MUCH WASTE.SO I THINK STAFF IS IN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING AT THAT WORDING AND THAT WOULD WE'D HAVE THAT ALL TIE-DYED UP AT A SECOND READING RELATIVE TO THE, UH, POINT AT WHICH, UM, SOMEBODY PAYS MORE OR LESS AS ERIC SAID, STAFF IS STILL IN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING AT THAT.
AND MY HOPE WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD MOVE THIS FORWARD TO SECOND READING, KNOWING THAT IT'S SECOND READING, WE WOULD ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE ON THE TABLE.
SO I ENCOURAGE US TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.
AND, UH, I AGREE WITH MR. FALLING AND ON ONE HAND THAT, UM, HONESTLY I HATE TO SEE TAXES GO IN PLACE.
UM, HOWEVER WE'RE PAYING FOR THIS ALREADY, UH, GENERAL FUNDS AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO MAKE THIS WORK.
AND HERE IS GOING TO BE, MR. GLOVER MENTIONED IS IT'S NOT A PERFECT AT THIS TIME.
HOWEVER, IF WE DO NOTHING AND WE DO NOT START LOOKING TOWARDS THE FUTURE, THE COST OF THIS IS GOING TO BE FOUR AND FIVE AND SIX TIMES MORE IN A VERY, VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
SO BY PUTTING THIS IN PLACE, WE DO BECOME TRANSPARENT.
WE SHOW WHAT IT IS, WE SEPARATE IT OUT AND SHOW YOU WHAT IT'S BEING SPENT FOR.
AND AGAIN, SO I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS.
AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IS AS QUICK AS WE CAN.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING AS WE WENT THROUGH THE, THE, UH, DISCUSSION OF THIS WAS THAT, UM, IN DEVELOPING THE ENTERPRISE FUND, THE FUNDING FLOOR WOULD BE DRAWN OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.
SO, UH, 9 MILLION, $10 MILLION THAT A GENERAL WOULD GO DIRECTLY TO THE ENTERPRISE ONE.
UH, AND, AND THEN THAT WOULD FUND THE ENTERPRISE ONE, BUT I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T GET THE, THE, UH, THE TAX INCREASE OF THE $169 A YEAR AT $14.
I'M NOT, I, I, I TOTALLY MISSED ALL OF THAT.
SO AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, UM, A LOT OF MY CONSTITUENTS ARE COMPLAINING, UM, NOT, NOT ONLY ABOUT THE TAX INCREASE FOR THE $169 A YEAR, ALTHOUGH ENTERPRISE FOR ONE, BUT ALSO THAT THEY THEY'RE COMPLAINING THAT WE HAVE THE STORMWATER, UH, UH, FUND THAT A LOT OF MY CITIZENS FEEL LIKE THEY'RE NOT BENEFITING FROM IT BECAUSE OF A LOT OF THE ROLES AND BITCHES ARE NOT BEING MAINTAINED AND, AND, UH, AND, AND CLEAN.
SO, UH, I'M, I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST IT.
UM, OTHERS, MR. FULL-ON SECOND BY THE APPLES TOO.
I'LL GO ON MOVING INTO SECOND READINGS THAT WE CAN GET MORE DETAILED INFORMATION REGARDING THE IMPACT ON TAX BILLS FOR PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN APPRAISED.
NOW, YOUR ASSESSED VALUE OF $100,000 VERSUS 200,000 VERSUS 500,000.
I WANT TO SEE WHAT THE IMPACT IS ON THEIR TAX BILLS.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A VERY FAIR STATEMENT, UM, THAT WE DON'T KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WHICH WAY WE CAN DO THIS.
UH, I THINK SEVERAL COMMENTS, UM, WERE VERY GOOD AS FAR AS, UM, BRINGING THIS TO A BETTER CONCLUSION, UM, BECAUSE THE TAX PAYERS NEED TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT IT COSTS FOR WASTE RECYCLING IN THE COUNTY, AND IT'S NOT GOING DOWN IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO GO UP AND HOW WE HANDLE IT IN THE FUTURE, UM, IS GOING TO BE CRITICAL.
ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE VOTE? OKAY.
SO, UM, THIS IS THE FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE.
IT'S NOT, THERE'S A COUPLE MORE READINGS IN A PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, SO THIS IS JUST THE FIRST READING.
SO, UH, IT'S BEEN DULY MOTION THAN SECONDED.
UM, THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION AT THIS TIME.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
I SEE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE.
AND THERE IS ONE NEGATIVE BY MR. DAWSON.
SO FIRST READING HAS BEEN APPROVED.
[13. FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO USE $5 MILLION IN FUND BALANCE TO DEFEASE BONDS.]
NUMBER 13 IS A FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO USE $5 MILLION IN FUND BALANCE TO DEFEASE ONS.MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR THAT ITEM PLEASE? MR. CHAIRMAN, MR.
MR. LAWSON MAKES THE SECOND DISCUSSION ANY DISCUSSION.
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I CAN'T SEE ANYBODY'S HAND RAISED.UH, I WILL CALL FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO MOVE THIS ON AS, AS FRUSTRATING, APPROVE IT TO PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
AND WE ARE UNANIMOUS ITEM, NUMBER
[14. A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT TO GRANT EXCLUSIVE AND NONEXCLUSIVE PARKING RIGHTS OVER THE COUNTY PARCEL FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE MYRTLE PARK PARCEL AND THE COUNTY PARCEL, ALL AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH IN THE DOCUMENT ENTITLED: "ACCESS AND PARKING AGREEMENT."]
14, A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT TO GRANT EXCLUSIVE AND NON-EXCLUSIVE PARKING RIGHTS OVER THE COUNTY PARCEL FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE MYRTLE PARK PARCEL AND THE COUNTY PARCEL AS TO MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH IN THE DOCUMENT, ENTITLED ACCESS AND PARKING AGREEMENT.MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? SO MOVED MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. GLOVER MAKES THE MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN, MS. HOWARD MAKES THE SECOND DISCUSSION CHAIRMAN, IF I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY.
UM, THIS IS ALL THIS IS TO IMPROVE, UM, ACCESS AND PARKING FOR THE MYRTLE PARK THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP IN THAT AREA.
YOU WORK, THIS IS FOR A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT, UM, UM, WE HAD SOLD AND IT HAD THE TAX, UM, UH, BRIGHTS ON IT.
BUT I LOOK AT THIS AND, AND I, I KNOW THE DEVELOPER, HE'S A GREAT GUY.
HE DEVELOPS VERY, VERY GOOD THINGS.
HOWEVER, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE ENCUMBERING OUR PROPERTY, UM, IN OUR, OUR AREA THERE THAT ONCE WE GET THAT TIME, WE CAN'T GET THAT BACK.
HE'S COUNTING THAT IN AS PART OF HIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT HE THEN CAN BUILD LARGER AND LARGER COMMERCIAL AREA.
SO FOR THIS, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD LIMIT OUR PROPERTY THAT THE COUNTY OWNS.
UM, THAT IS A PARKING LOT CURRENTLY THAT WE MIGHT NEED FOR PARKING, OR WE MIGHT NEED TO BUILD A BUILDING LATER ON OR ON OUR OWN.
UM, ONCE WE DO THAT, WE HAVE THEN, UM, ALLOW THEM TO USE THAT INFERTILITY, UM, OPPORTUNITY, EXCUSE ME.
SO, UM, IT'S HOPING THAT I AM NOT GOING TO WILL FOR, I THINK THAT DEVELOPMENT IS A GREAT DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK THAT THE DEVELOPER IS A, IS A VERY GOOD DEVELOPER.
UH, HOWEVER, I THINK THAT, UM, HE DOES NEED TO STAND ON HIS OWN FOR THIS PROPERTY AND DEVELOP IT, UM, LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, ANY OTHER DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO DO FOR A PIECE OF PROPERTY.
LET ME JUST ASK THIS QUESTION AS CHAIRMAN, I LOOK READ THROUGH IT.
UM, MAYBE I NEED TO GO READ THROUGH IT AGAIN, BUT, UH, BASICALLY DOES NOT RESTRICT HOCKEY AT ALL AT THIS TIME.
UM, DOES IT, YEAH, IT W IT WILL ALLOW THE COUNTY'S ZONING DEPARTMENT TO ALLOW THE DEVELOPER TO COUNT 47 OF THOSE PARKING SPACES ON THE VERY LAST AISLE OF THE MORTAL PARK PARKING LOT TOWARD HE, HIS REQUIREMENTS FOR THE BUILDING THAT HE IS BUILDING ON THE MYRTLE PARK PARCEL.
AND THERE, THE CDC REQUIRES THAT THAT BE A RESTRICTED RECORDED DOCUMENT THAT GRANTS HIM THE RIGHT TO USE THOSE 47 SPACES.
NOW THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT PEOPLE COMING TO THE COUNTY BUILDING CANNOT PARK IN THOSE 47 SPACES.
IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE AS ESSENTIALLY A FIRST COME FIRST SERVE BASIS, BUT IT WILL ALLOW THE COUNTY'S ZONING DEPARTMENT.
SHOULD HE COME UP SHORT ON A USER GOING IN THE NEW BUILDING, ON PARK AND FOR HIS PROPERTY, BECAUSE THINGS ARE VERY TIGHT.
WE WOULD UNDERNEATH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE, ALLOW HIM TO COUNT THOSE PARKING SPACES ON THE MYRTLE PARK, PARTIAL WHERE THE COUNTY OFFICE BUILDING IS LOCATED FOR THOSE USES UNTIL THAT SHE USED UP.
UH, MR. HARVEY, SHAN CHAIRMAN, UH, ERIC, TWO QUESTIONS.
ONE, WHEN YOU SAY THE LAST ROW OF PARKING, DO YOU MEAN GOING TOWARD TARGET? I, IF YOU'RE COMING OUT WITH BLUFFTON PARKWAY, YOU ROUND DOWN, IT'D BE THE LAST ROW ON THE RIGHT, RIGHT BEFORE YOU GET TO THE MARTIN PARK PARCEL THAT'S BEEN DEVELOPED.
SO IT'S A VERY, IT'S THE VERY LAST BAY, A PARKING SPACES IN THAT BUILDING.
AND THEN, UM, WHAT IS THE BENEFIT TO THE AVERAGE TAXPAYER DONUTS? UH, I MEAN, THE BENEFIT IN AVERAGE TIRES PAIRS, YOU GET, YOU GET A COMMERCIAL USE ESTABLISHED ON THE PROPERTY.
THAT'S GOING TO BE FULLY, UH, UTILIZED ALL THE TENANT SPACES WILL BE ABLE TO, OR MORE TENANT SPACES
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IN MY MIND WILL BE ONLY IN LEASED UP IN THE BUILDING.UH, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A PROPERTY TAX BENEFIT AND, YOU KNOW, CONVENIENCE ISSUE FOR PEOPLE THAT MIGHT NEED TO USE THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE GOING TO BE ESTABLISHED IN THAT NEW BUILDING.
UM, IF WE DON'T DO THIS, BASICALLY THE DEVELOPER JUST GETS LESS USABLE COMMERCIAL SPACE BECAUSE WE, IF WE DON'T USE IT, IF WE DON'T DO THIS, THEN HE'S GOT LESS PARKING THAT HE CAN COUNT FOR THE USERS THAT WILL NOT OCCUPY THE SPACES.
SO YOU COULD END UP WITH A HALF OCCUPIED OR, YOU KNOW, FREE QUARTER OCCUPIED BUILDING BECAUSE ONCE HE RUNS OUT OF THE PARKING, WE CAN ALLOW HIM TO HAVE ANY MORE ZONING PERMITS TO LEASE THE OTHER UNITS.
THE FIRST IS, IS THERE NO OTHER PROPERTY THAT HE CAN PAVE OVER TO MAKE, UH, MAKE MARK? NO, THERE'S PROPERTY IS VERY, VERY TIGHT.
UH, IT'S A LARGE PARCEL, BUT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THE PROPERTY HAS TAKEN UP A WETLANDS.
UH, AND THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WAS ENTERED INTO REQUIRES THEM TO BUILD, I BELIEVE TWO 30,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDINGS ON THERE.
AND THEY ARE TRYING TO DO THAT IN A MANNER TO WHERE THEY HAVE, UH, BAY DOORS, UH, TO THE VARIOUS, UH, TENANT SPACES THAT WOULD BE LIKE LARGE GARAGE DOORS THAT WOULD OPEN UP.
AND WE CANNOT, FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT, ALLOW THEM TO COUNT THE AREA IN FRONT OF THOSE GARAGE DOORS AS PARKING SPACES, BECAUSE OF THE ACCESS ISSUES.
YOU CAN'T BASICALLY DOUBLE STACK, UH, PARKING.
I THINK THEY ONLY ALLOW THAT IN NEW YORK CITY.
YOU HAVE WE EVALUATED, UM, OUR USE OF THOSE LAST SPACES? IS IT, ARE THEY PRIMARILY FREE? IS IT RARE THAT THEY'RE OCCUPIED? THERE IS, THERE IS SOME INDICATION FROM THE MAGISTRATE'S OFFICE THAT, UH, THAT PARKING LOT AT, AT MYRTLE PARK WHERE THE COUNTY OFFICE BUILDING IS LOCATED, GETS FULL, UH, DURING JURY SELECTION, UH, PERIODS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A MATTER OF, YOU KNOW, A FEW DAYS AND A MATTER OF IF YOU HOURS AND I DON'T MEAN TO PUT HIM ON THE SPOT, BUT COUNCIL MEMBER ELLEN, UH, MAY BE ABLE TO SHED SOME MORE LIGHT ON THAT.
UM, BUT MOST, MOST OF THE TIME THAT LAST ROW OF PARKING SPACES THERE FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN TO THE PROPERTY IS PRETTY MUCH VACANT OR, YOU KNOW, JUST HAS CARS THERE, A PART THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO GET DINGED UP OR WOULDN'T GET THEIR DOORS THING OR WHATEVER.
SO, SO LARRY PARKS OVER THERE LIVING HERE, I THINK HE USED TO WORK AT THAT BUILDING TO DO NOT, I DON'T MEAN TO PUT THEM ON THE SPOT, BUT ANYWAY, MR. LAWSON, AND THEN MR. CUNNINGHAM QUESTION FOR ERIC, ERIC.
SO WHEN, OBVIOUSLY WE WERE LOOKING FOR PARKING, UM, LOTS OF PARKING SPACE AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, UH, THE HUSKY RFP THAT WE DECIDED THAT WAS A GOOD PLACE TO HAVE RESIDENTS PARK AND LEAVE THEIR CARS ON A PERMANENT BASIS, OR THAT WAS A PLACE THAT PEOPLE WENT TO FOR THE HUSKY FERRY AND THEN WENT FOR THE DAY.
THIS DOES THAT HOW'S THAT CHANGED THINGS, OR WHAT DOES THAT DO? WE LIMITED THEM BY MY ALLOWING THEM THOSE 47 PARKING SPACES TO BE USED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT NEXT DOOR.
WELL, YOU KNOW, SO, SO THERE'S, THERE'S, UM, I OFTEN SAY THAT WHENEVER YOU'RE DEALING WITH ZONING AND PLANNING ISSUES, YOU'RE DEALING WITH A LOT OF PERCEPTION ITEMS THAT PEOPLE PERCEIVE THERE'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.
UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING, PARKING REGULATIONS FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT ARE PRETTY MUCH FOR THE, UH, PEAK TIMES OF THE YEAR.
AND VERY SELDOM, IS IT ACTUALLY A REAL PROBLEM? THE ONLY TIME YOU SEE THE WALMART PARKING LOT FULL IS FROM LIKE THANKSGIVING UNTIL CHRISTMAS, AND YOU HAVE TO PARK A LOT.
OTHERWISE YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF VACANT PARKING SPACES OUT THERE.
SO COULD IT BE A PROBLEM? YEAH.
COULD TECHNICALLY DO I THINK IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.
ULTIMATELY, I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE AN ISSUE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION OR NOT.
IT SOUNDED KIND OF LIKE I WAS DANCING ON YOU.
IT REALLY WASN'T, IT'S JUST AN, IT'S AN UNKNOWN RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT USERS ARE GOING INTO EACH YEAR.
SO YEAH, YOU WERE A DOG CHASING MR. CUNNINGHAM.
UH, SO MY QUESTION IS HAVE THEY BEEN APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ALREADY BECAUSE WOULDN'T, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THEIR SPOTS APPROVED THROUGH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO BUILD A BUILDING TO THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SO I KNOW I'M ASKING YOU, CAUSE I KNOW YOU SAID THAT THEY COULD HAVE SOME VACANT PLACES IN THE BUILDING, BUT IF WE DON'T GIVE THEM THE SPOTS, THEN THEY DON'T QUALIFY FOR A BUILDING THAT SIZE.
UH, WELL, THEY, UH, THEY, THEY QUALIFY FOR A BUILDING THAT SIZE AND THE REASON, THE WAY THEY QUALIFIED FOR THE BUILDING OF THAT SIZE IS THAT THEY'VE TOLD US THAT THEIR USES ARE GOING TO BE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL SLASH OFFICE ALL THE WAY THROUGH WHICH REQUIRES LESS PARKING, BUT THE
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WAY THEY HAVE PARTITION THE BUILDINGS OFF WITH THE TINY TENANT SPACES THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO PUT IN, PARTICULARLY THAT BUILDING CLOSEST TO THE PARKING LOT.I DON'T SEE HOW THAT WILL EVER BE A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL OFFICE TYPE USER.
IT THE WAY THEY'VE DESIGNED THE BUILDING TO LAY OUT WITH TENANT SEPARATION AND ALL POTENTIALLY, UH, YOU COULD OUT FOLKS, UH, RENTING, YOU KNOW, 15 OR 30 FOOT WIDE SPACES IN THERE THROUGHOUT THAT ENTIRE BUILDING.
AND IF THEY KNEW THAT AND THEY'RE GOING TO DEFINITELY RUN OUT A PARK AND, UH, BY THE TIME THEY GET TO THE END OF THE BUILDING.
UM, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, UM, MYRTLE PARK HAS BEEN, UM, THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DEVELOP THE LONGEST AND UM, IF THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO MOVE THIS ALONG, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT BECAUSE FROM DAY ONE, WHEN I GOT ON COUNCIL, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT CAN WE DO WITH MYRTLE PARK? SO NOW WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.
I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS MOTION.
I'M HAVING A LITTLE TROUBLE WITH THIS MICROPHONE.
I THINK THE CHARACTERIZATION BY THE ANXIOUS THING MATTERS TO YOUR COURT REC TO REMOTE, UM, ALLIE PARKING ATTACHED TO OUR BUILDING OVER THERE.
AND IT'S RARELY USED, UM, ON THOSE DAYS THAT ARE GENERALLY INFREQUENT WHEN THERE IS A CALL FOR A JURY AND THERE MAY BE SOME SPILLOVER THERE.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT THEY USE THE WALL EITHER.
SO I THINK THAT THE PARKING, UM, BY ALLOWING THE BUILDING TO USE THIS, UH, FOR THEIR AUXILIARY PARKING IS NOT GOING TO BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE BUILDING THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS, UNLESS THERE ARE PLANS IN THE FUTURE AND PUT ANOTHER BUILDING ON THAT EMPTY LOT IS ADJACENT TO THE COUNTY BUILDING, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY OUT 10 YEARS OR SO BEFORE WE GET AROUND TO DOING ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT THAT'LL BECOME NECESSARY DOWN THE ROAD AS THE COMMUNITY IN BLUFFTON CONTINUES TO DEVELOP.
AND I'M SURE THAT SOMEBODY IS PROBABLY THINKING ABOUT USING THAT LOT THEN, BUT, UM, BY THEN PERHAPS THERE COULD BE OTHER ARRANGEMENTS MADE FOR ANOTHER ALLEY OF HOW MANY SPOTS WE HAVE 47.
IS THAT WHAT THEY SAID? 37 IN THE AGREEMENT THAT THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO USE YOUR PROPOSALS? I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE CURRENT SITUATION UP THERE.
MR. RODMAN, YOU HAD A COMMENT AND THEN MR. HERBERT, MY PERSONAL OBSERVATION OVER THE YEARS IS THERE'S A VERY, THEY'VE VERY LIGHT PARKING THE TIMES THAT I'VE BEEN THERE.
SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS GIVING, IT'S ALMOST LIKE GIVING THE SLEEVES OUT OF YOUR VEST FOR TALKING ABOUT SOME PARKING THAT WE DON'T USE TO SHARE IT WITH SOMEBODY SO WE CAN GET SOME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
WHY ISN'T THE COUNTY BEING COMPENSATED FOR THIS? UH, W I MEAN, WE CAN BE COMPENSATED.
WE JUST DIDN'T FEEL THAT THAT WAS IN THE SPIRIT OF THE AGREEMENT AND TRYING TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER TO ESTABLISH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ON THERE.
I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN TALK TO HIM ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PAYING MONTHLY RENT, UH, IF WE, WE NEED TO DO THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, JUST GETTING BACK TO THE AVERAGE TAXPAYER QUESTION, IF WE GAVE THEM THE PROPERTY FOR A SONG, AND I WAS ONE OF THE, I THINK TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO VOTED AGAINST THAT AT THE TIME, I'M JUST WANTING, YOU KNOW, IF I'M SITTING AT HOME WATCHING THIS MEETING, I'M JUST WONDERING WHY WE'RE GIVING AWAY, YOU KNOW, MORE STUFF THAT THE COUNTY OWNS FOR NOTHING.
I MEAN, WE, IF, UH, IF AT SUSHI, I MEAN, WE CAN KIND OF RUN UP.
WE CAN RUN THAT AISLE AND THAT PARKING DELL AND FIGURE OUT THE ASSESSMENT ON THAT AMOUNT OF LAND AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE THEM PAY, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST THE, WHAT SOMEONE WOULD NORMALLY PAY FOR PROPERTY TAXES, IMPROVE PROPERTY IN THAT AREA AND DIVIDED UP PER MONTH.
I WOULD PERSONALLY BE WAY MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS.
IF THE COUNTY WAS GETTING COMPENSATED FOR THIS IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, UM, THEN MR. HARVEY, SEAN, WOULD YOU OFFER AN AMENDMENT TO THIS RESOLUTION FOR THAT FACT? I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WHAT I'M PROPOSING WOULD NEED AN AMENDMENT.
I THINK THAT THIS SHOULD, SHOULD JUST BE BROUGHT BACK TO COUNCIL AT A LATER DATE.
WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME SORT OF AN AGREEMENT AS FAR AS WHAT THIS PROPERTY IS WORTH AND WHAT THE COUNTY SHOULD BE COMPENSATED FOR THAT.
SO IF THAT NEEDS A MOTION, I'M HAPPY TO MAKE IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT DOES.
UM, WELL, YOU KNOW, IF WE APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION, THEN I BELIEVE IT'S A DONE DEAL.
BUT IF WE WERE TO NOT VOTE, IT COULD COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL AT A LATER TIME.
AND THEN THERE'LL BE FORMS. THERE'S
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A, THERE'S A SENSATION, UH, PARAGRAPH, I BELIEVE IN THE AGREEMENT.UM, I'D LOVE TO HEAR KURT TAYLOR OR PRIME, WHY WE CAN HAVE A READ A RESOLUTION, UM, GRANTING THESE MEN INSTEAD OF REQUIRING FOR YOUR RATINGS IN PUBLIC HEARING.
YOU BROUGHT UP A POINT THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT AS WE WERE DISCUSSING THESE MR. FOR WILLING.
I DO BELIEVE WE NEED TO DO THIS BY ORDINAL SINCE IT'S AN EASEMENT.
UH, THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO A MAN THAT, UM, THAT INSTEAD OF THE WORD RESOLUTION, IT READ FIRST READING ON A PROPOSED ORDINANCE BY TITLE ONLY SECOND, A SECOND DUELING MOTION.
AND SECOND TO CHANGE IT, TO READ, UM, FIRST READING BY TITLE ONLY OF, FOR THE, UM, AUTHORIZATION OF ALL OF THE WORDS THAT ARE THERE.
I DO WANT TO GO FOR AN AMENDMENT.
SO I DON'T NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND.
NO, I'LL PUT IT IN THE SECOND.
SO TH THIS IS FIRST READING BY TITLE ONLY THEN WE CAN DO FURTHER WHEN IT COMES UP FOR THE SECOND READING.
EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING.
UM, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UM, MR. CUNNINGHAM, DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP? YEAH.
UM, I'M FINE WITH THE AMENDMENT, BUT MY QUESTION, UM, I STILL HAVE, BEFORE WE CLOSE THIS OUT WAS HOW ARE WE EVEN GOING TO MONITOR, UM, THE USE OF THOSE SPOTS? SO WE'RE NOT AT ALL.
SO BASICALLY WHETHER WE APPROVE THIS OR NOT, THEY CAN STILL USE THE PARKING SPOTS WITH NO COMPENSATION TO IT.
LET ME TO YOUR POINT, WE ARE NOT GOING TO MONITOR WHO PARKS THERE AND WHO DOES RIGHT THERE, BUT IN ORDER, WHAT THIS DOES IS IT GOES TO THE DEVELOPER, THE ABILITY TO ALLOW THE ZONING GIVES THE ZONING DEPARTMENT TO THE ABILITY TO ALLOW THE DEVELOPER TO FLEXIBILITY.
LET'S SAY HE PUTS IN AN INSURANCE, UH, ASIA OFFICE, AND ONE OF THOSE UNITS, IT WILL ALLOW US TO USE FIVE OR SIX OF THOSE PARKING SPACES FOR THAT USED TO SAY, HE'S GOT ADEQUATE PARKING FOR THOSE USE.
SO THEN WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THAT THERE ARE 47 SPOTS COULD TURN INTO 70 OR 80? UH, IT WOULD NOT.
IT WOULD NOT DO THAT BECAUSE THERE'S LIMITATIONS ON THE USES IN THE, UH, PARKING AGREEMENT THAT WOULD NOT ALLOW THAT TO OCCUR.
SO THE PARKING THAT THE PARKING IS GOING TO BE STRICTLY LIMITED TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL OR OFFICE TYPE USES GOING IN THAT BUILDING.
AND THAT WILL BE A LESS, UM, AND TAMPS REQUIREMENT FOR THE PARK.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE PEOPLE PARK IN 70, BUT IF THEY COME TO THE COUNTY BUILDING AND DO BUSINESS, THEN THEY'RE PROBABLY WON'T LEAVE THEIR CAR PARKED IN THE COUNTY PARKING LOT AND THEN GO, IF THEY HAVE TO GO OVER TO THE OTHER PROPERTY TO DO BUSINESS, THEY'RE GONNA PROBABLY JUST LEAVE IT PART THERE.
SO, BUT IT WON'T, IT WON'T BE LIKE, OR TAKEN UP THAT MANY SPACES EVERY DAY, ALL THE TIME.
MY THING IS, THOUGH, IF THEY'RE GOING TO GET APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, BASED ON THE SPOTS THAT WE GIVE THEM, THAT GIVES THEM A LOT OF FREE RANT THAT YOU SAID TO 30,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDINGS.
SO THAT'S BIGGER THAN STATION 300.
REALLY? THE AGREEMENT ONLY IS ONLY GOING TO BE FOR ONE OF THE BUILDINGS, THE WAY IT'S BEING DESIGNED.
THE OTHER BUILDING, THE LOWER BUILDING, THAT'S CLOSER TO THE CURVATURE OF THE ROAD, THE FRONT BUILDING, WHAT I'LL CALL THAT'S ALREADY BEEN LEASED OUT AND SOLD, AND THE TENANT SEPARATION THERE AS GREATER.
SO THERE'S LARGER SQUARE FOOTAGE OF TENANTS GOING INTO THAT FRONT BUILDING.
AND THOSE ARE PRETTY MUCH ALREADY BEEN IDENTIFIED THIS BACK BUILDING.
THEY JUST WANT FLEXIBILITY IN CASE THEY NEED THE ADDITIONAL PARKING ALLOWANCE.
AND WE'LL, WE WILL, UM, WE WILL CONVERT THAT.
WE'LL ADD THE COMPENSATION STUFF INTO THE, INTO THE ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING.
IF I, IF I COULD, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, I I'D LIKE TO YOU TO CALL THE QUESTION ON THE MOTION TO A MAN SO THAT WE CAN GET THE MAIN MOTION.
I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT MR. CHAIRMAN.
YOU HEAR ME? UM, YOU'RE I'M SORRY.
UM, UH, HELEN, BY CALLING THE QUESTION NOW, MR.
DO WE NOT HAVE TO HAVE A TWO-THIRDS VOTE OF COUNCIL TO CALL THE QUESTION? MR. COHEN CLEARLY WANTS TO CALL THE QUESTION ON THE AMENDMENT,
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AND IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION THAT CAN BE DONE WITHOUT OBJECTION, IF THERE IS DISCUSSION, IF THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE SEEKING TO DISCUSS HIS AMENDMENT, THEN YOU WOULDN'T NEED TWO THIRDS.THEY SHOULD ONLY BE THE AMENDMENT THAT PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO TALK TO TALK ABOUT.
THAT WOULD GET IN THE WAY, CORRECT.
CALLING THE QUESTION ON THE AMENDMENT.
IS THERE ANY OBJECTION, SING? NO OBJECTION.
THEN WE WILL LOOK, THE AMENDMENT IS TO CHANGE THE WORDING TO SAY FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE BY TITLE ONLY AUTHORIZING THE INTERIM CONNIE ADMINISTRATOR AND THE REST OF THE LANGUAGE THAT'S THERE.
SO IT'S GOING FROM A RESOLUTION TO A FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE BY TITLE ONLY.
UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE, 10 11.
NOW WE'RE BACK NOW TO THE MAJOR MOTION, MR. FLOLAN.
UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE ADMINISTRATOR FOLLOW ALONG WITH THE RECOMMENDATION BY MR. IRVIS, JOHN, THAT, UM, OOPS.
I MAY HAVE LOST YOU THAT WE NEGOTIATED A PRICE.
AND THAT, THAT WILL, THAT IS THE DIRECTION I THINK COUNCIL WANTS HIM TO TAKE AS WE GO FORWARD.
SO WHEN IT COMES BACK FOR SECOND, THE, THE ORDINANCE WILL NOW BE DEVELOPED THAT WILL HAVE THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE.
SO, UM, MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDED ORDINANCE? OKAY.
IT'S CHAIRMAN MY EMOTION IS ON THE FLOOR, WHICH IS TO APPROVE, I GUESS WE IT'S REALLY A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
ISN'T IT NOW, YOU KNOW, UM, BECAUSE WE NEED TO MOVE FROM A RESOLUTION TO A, UH, ORDINANCE SO THAT REPLACING AS A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, AND THEN WE JUST NEED TO VOTE ON THE MOTION AS A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
ARE WE MO ARE WE NOW VOTING FOR A SUBSTITUTE OR ARE WE JUST BECAUSE WE APPROVED THE AMENDED BY TITLE ONLY.
NOW, DO WE HAVE TO VOTE AGAIN AS IF IT IS THE ORIGINAL MOTION? YES.
YOU'RE APPROVING ITEM 14 ON YOUR AGENDA AS A WOMAN.
SO, UH, I'D LIKE APPROVAL FOR ITEM NUMBER 14 AS AMENDED.
SO MOVING AS CHAIRMAN MR. DAWSON, AND A SECOND PLEASE, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, MS. HOWARD, ANY DISCUSSION SEEING NO DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
OH, I'M SORRY, MR. SUMMERVILLE.
IF WE GIVE, UH, THIS ONE INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPER, UH, AN EASEMENT ON THEIR PARKING SPACES AND WHEN SOMEBODY ELSE BUILDS ANOTHER BUILDING ON THAT SAME PROPERTY, ARE WE PRECLUDED FROM GIVING THEM THE SAME RIDE BECAUSE THERE'S SOMEBODY ELSE WE CAN BE GIVEN THE SAME RIDE TO SOMEBODY ELSE? UM, UH, THAT'S A QUESTION THAT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GERMANE TO WHAT WE ARE VOTING ON TONIGHT, BUT IT IS A GOOD QUESTION THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, KEN COME UP AS PART OF OUR DISCUSSION.
UH, WAS THERE SOMEONE ELSE WHO HAD A QUESTION SEEING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN ARE IN FAVOR.
THOSE AGAINST THREE ARE AGAINST, AND, UH, THE CHAIR WILL BE IN FAVOR.
UM, SARAH, WERE YOU ABLE TO GET THE THREE? NO VOTES.
I HAVE, UM, MR. SOMERVILLE, MR. AND MR. MCGILLEN THAT'S CORRECT.
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SUMMARY AND REVISED RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PATHWAYS PUBLIC MEETING.[01:50:01]
SORRY ABOUT THAT.I'LL SECOND YOUR MIX, THE SECOND DISCUSSION, ANY DISCUSSION? UM, MR. RODMAN? YEAH, THE, THE HISTORY OF THIS WAS THAT THIS CAME FORWARD SOMETIME IN THE PAST.
AND THERE WERE A COUPLE OF MEMBERS THAT ASKED THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE, UH, DISTRIBUTION OF THE FUNDS OR THE PATHWAYS, UH, YOU KNOW, AMONG THE DISTRICTS, UH, THAT WAS DONE.
WHEN I CAME BACK TO PUBLIC FACILITIES, I BELIEVE WE WERE UNANIMOUS, UH, IN, UH, EVERYBODY AGREEING THAT WE NOW HAVE A GOOD SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS AND IT'S READY TO MOVE ON TO, UH, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UM, IS THIS, UM, AN ACTION ITEM? YES.
WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE ON THIS.
IT IS UNDULY MOTION AND SECONDED.
ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IMAGES.
JUST WANT TO JUST SAY THANK YOU TO JARED.
UM, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS, UH, INCLUSIVE, UH, IN THIS, UM, PACKAGE.
UM, CAUSE IT BASICALLY SORT OF, UH, LET ME KNOW HOW PEOPLE FEEL OUT THERE, UM, SUPPORTING OR AGAINST US ACTUALLY.
UM, SEEING NO OTHER COMMENTS, MS. MS. HOWARD, I'D LIKE TO SAY THANK THEM FOR THE WORK THEY DID IN THESE UNUSUAL TIMES TO GET PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UM, THESE WERE HARD CHOICES TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO DO EVERY SINGLE WE WANTED TO, EVEN WITH THE BEST INTENTIONS, BUT THANKS TO THEM.
AT LEAST WE KNOW WHAT PUBLIC THINKS FOR THE MOST PART.
UM, IT IS NOT THE MAIN TO THE MOTION, BUT, UM, UM, HE CONTINUED TO STAFF CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THE NEXT LIST OF ATHLETES.
AND LIKE BRIAN SAID, IF WE CAN FIND MONEY ELSEWHERE, SOMETIME WE WILL HAVE IT ALREADY MOVING FORWARD.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, SEEING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ITEM, NUMBER 15, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE, 10, 11.
[BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS]
AND COMMISSIONS.I'D LIKE TO TAKE THOSE TWO TOGETHER IS, UH, IT IS OKAY BY COUNSEL ITEM 16 IS THE APPOINTMENT FOR ANDREW DESALVO FOR THE, TO THE BOARD OF THE ASSESSMENT APPEALS.
FIRST TERM DISTRICT FIVE, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS A REAPPOINTMENT FOR JAMES BUCKLEY TO THE END, UH, AIRPORT SUPPORT HIS FOURTH TERM.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR THOSE TWO INDIVIDUALS? MR. CHAIRMAN.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION SEEING NO DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
UH, FINALLY WE ARE AT THE SECOND CITIZENS COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS OR ON MINE THAT WISHES TO MAKE A COMMENT? NO, SIR.
THERE ARE NO CITIZEN COMMENTS.
THEREFORE ALL BUSINESS HAS BEEN CONDUCTED BY COUNTY COUNCIL AND THIS MEETING WILL STAND ADJOURNED AT 7:55 PM.
THANK YOU ALL FOR PARTICIPATION.