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[1. INTRODUCTIONS/PREVIOUS SUMMARY]
WE'RE NEARING TOWARDS THE END ON OUR TASK IN FRONT OF US.UM, WE, I THINK WE'VE HAD A LOT OF GOOD DISCUSSIONS ALONG THE WAY ON SEVERAL DIFFERENT TOPICS.
UM, BUT I THINK WE STILL HAVE A FEW ITEMS THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME ON AND DRILL DOWN IN AND RESET.
I DO APPRECIATE THE LETTER THAT YOU STAND OUT TO EVERYBODY AND PROVIDED A TOWN COUNCIL AND COUNTY COUNCIL.
UM, PHILIP, I APPRECIATE THE, UH, INTERIM REPORT THAT YOU PROVIDED BOTH THE TOWN COUNCIL AND COUNTY COUNCIL.
SO APPRECIATE ALL THE EXTRA EFFORTS THAT EVERYBODY'S DOING ABOVE AND BEYOND.
UM, AND AS MENTIONED WITH, I SAID, WE'VE, WE'VE COVERED A FEW THINGS, BUT WE HAVE SOME OTHER THINGS.
UH, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HIGHLIGHT EMPLOYMENT, GET INTO THE AGENDA.
UM, RISA, DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING AND SPEAK TO, I KNOW YOU, YOU, UH, SENT THE LETTER, BUT EVERYBODY WAS INVOLVED, UM, AS PART OF THE LETTER.
SO THE FORM THAT YOU PUT INTO THE AGENDA, DOES ANYBODY WANT TO KIND OF OPEN UP, UM, IN REFERENCE TO THAT CORRESPONDENCE BEFORE WE GET STARTED? JARED, THE ONLY THING I WAS GOING TO ADD FOR THE RECORD IS THAT THE LETTER THAT WENT OUT WHILE I WAS THE PERSON THAT DISTRIBUTED IT, ALL OF US SIGNED IT.
SO IT WAS A JOINT EFFORT FROM ALL OF THE APPOINTED COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO THIS COMMITTEE.
AND WE ALL SHARED THE OPINION.
UM, AND, AND AGAIN, IT WAS A WORTHWHILE, ALL THE THOUGHTS THAT WERE REPRESENTING, UH, YOU GUYS AS COMMUNITY, US AS DAN AND I STAFF, AND THEN, UM, ALSO REPRESENTING BOTH COUNCILS AS WELL.
SO I APPRECIATE THE UPDATE AND, UM, I THINK WE TRY TO COORDINATE WITH PHILLIP THE TRACK TO HIT A LOT OF THOSE TOPICS THAT ARE STILL OUTSTANDING AND NOT A LOT, BUT TRY TO HIT ALL OF THOSE TOPICS THAT ARE STILL OUTSTANDING.
SO AS WE MAKE OUR WAY THROUGH THE AGENDA, UM, LET'S TRY TO NAIL DOWN THOSE TOPICS.
AND IF FOR SOME REASON WE DON'T FEEL THAT SOMETHING'S COVERED, PLEASE BRING THAT UP.
UM, THE GOAL HERE TODAY WOULD BE TO TRY TO GET THESE ITEMS. IF FOR SOME REASON WE DON'T, WE RUN OUT OF TIME OR WE NEED TO SPEND AN EXTRA AND, AND HAVE ANOTHER MEETING.
BUT THE OVERALL GOAL IS TO BE NEARING TOWARDS A REPORT THAT WE CAN ALL STAND BEHIND AND PROVIDE TO, UH, THE TOWN COUNCIL AND COUNTY COUNCIL AS, AS IT WAS THE MISSION FOR THIS IMMEDIATE TO DO.
I THINK WE GOT A LOT, UM, COVERED IN LESS JUST DUMPED INTO WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US.
SO, UH, SO DO YOU WANT TO, IS THERE ANYTHING, I THINK THAT'S MOSTLY NUMBER ONE, UNLESS YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT, OR JUST GO STRAIGHT INTO ITEM
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NUMBER TWO.AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE TIME CHANGE ON THE MEETING TODAY.
I THINK AS WE GO THROUGH THESE ITEMS, I THINK WE'LL ADDRESS.
UM, I MEAN, I, I THINK OUR, OUR HOPE HERE IS TO ADDRESS ALL THE OUTSTANDING ITEMS THAT WERE OUT THERE AS FAR AS, UM, COMMENTS FROM THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE AND, AND, UM, EVEN OTHER COMMENTS THAT WE'VE BEEN GIVING.
SO I AM GOING TO TURN THIS FIRST ONE OVER ACTUALLY THE FIRST TWO FOR, TO, TO JEFF.
AND, UH, AND WE'LL TALK THROUGH THOSE AS FAR AS, UM, INFORMATION THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GIVE FROM, FROM THE LIMITED INFORMATION WE HAVE.
THANKS PHILLIP, CAN YOU, UH, CONFIRM, YOU CAN SEE MY SCREEN HERE.
SO JUST APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S TIME AND CATCHING UP HERE AGAIN.
UM, JUST KIND OF WANTED TO SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT OF STUFF THAT WE, WE DID A LITTLE DIGGING AND GOT SOME INFORMATION ON.
UM, SO WHAT I'M SHOWING YOU HERE IS KIND OF RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION ABOUT FOUR VERSUS SIX LANES ON US TWO 78.
SO THIS WAS, UH, ESSENTIALLY DVT PROVIDED SYNCHRO FILES, UM, THAT WE MADE SOME MODIFICATIONS REALLY.
UH, JUST GIVE YOU AGAIN, HERE'S THE CORRIDOR HERE IS BLESSED IN MY HANDS OVER HERE WHERE KIND OF HILTON HEAD, THESE ARE THE INTERSECTIONS OF SPANISH, SPANISH WELLS.
UM, SO THERE AGAIN, THIS IS A FOUR LANE AND A SIX LANE SNARE THAT I'M SHOWING YOU FROM THE MODEL SIMULATION.
SO I'M GOING TO ZOOM IN AND KIND OF THOUGHT YOU CAN SEE THIS IS ON ISLAND IN THE MORNING.
THIS HAS GOTTA BE FOUR LANES AND YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC, UH, FOUR LANES CARS.
I SURE CAN'T GIVE ME ONE SECOND.
THIS IS THE MODEL THAT WAS PROVIDED TO US.
WE JUST RAN IT WITH FOUR LANES, TWO IN EACH DIRECTION, INBOUND AND OUTBOUND MORNING AND AFTERNOON.
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IS A MODEL OUTPUT OF WHAT THE MODEL LOOKS LIKE IN 2045 WITH CONGESTION HEADED ON ISLAND IN THE MORNING.SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S, IT'S PRETTY SATURATED IN THE TRAFFIC TERM.
UM, WE DID MAKE SOME CHANGES HERE, REALLY JUST TO SHOW, CAUSE THIS WAS A COMMENT ABOUT WHAT A BASELINE SCENARIO LET'S CALL IT.
SO THERE'S FOUR LANES WITH SOME MINOR INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, MAKING THESE TWO FADE SIGNALS.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING HERE.
AND THEN I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU AGAIN, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE OFF ISLAND AFTERNOON, GETTING JUST REPRESENTATIVE MODELS.
SO THE TRAFFIC CAN'T READ REALLY GET THROUGH THE NETWORK.
THESE ARE ALL VEHICLES SHOWING IN 2045 OFF ISLAND IN THE AFTERNOON.
SO AGAIN, THIS WAS JUST SOMETHING WE WERE PROVIDED.
WE MADE A COUPLE MINOR CHANGES TO THE MODEL, BUT WHAT THIS REALLY SHOWS IS THAT FOUR LANES.
I KNOW WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT FOUR LANES REALLY WON'T WORK IN THE FUTURE YEAR BASED ON TRAFFIC PROJECTIONS AND EVERYTHING WE'VE SEEN TODAY.
UM, WHAT I'M GOING TO SHOW HERE AGAIN, REAL QUICK IS WHAT A SIX LANE SCENARIO COULD LOOK LIKE.
SO AGAIN, INSTEAD OF FOUR LANES, THIS IS THREE LANES IN EACH DIRECTION COMING ON ISLAND IN THE MORNING.
SO THAT OUR SITUATION, THERE'S STILL A COUPLE OF PLACES WHERE IT STARTS TO GET A LITTLE HEAVY, BUT, UM, WE SEE SOME OF THAT AS WELL.
AND SOME OF THE ANALYSIS THAT STARTS TO GET, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IN SOME OF THE PLACES WE SAW WHERE LEVELS OF SERVICE D APPROXIMATELY PLACES LIKE THAT, UM, KIND OF MOVING THROUGH THE CORRIDOR IN TWO PHASE SIGNALS.
AND THEN AGAIN, IN THE AFTERNOON OFF ISLAND, UM, AGAIN, HEAVY KIND OF COMING IN FROM CROSS ISLAND AND WILLEM HILTON COMING THROUGH THE INTERSECTIONS OF SPANISH WELLS, FIRE POPE.
AND THEN AGAIN, OFF ISLAND AGAIN IN THE AFTERNOON WITH THE TRAFFIC.
SO, UM, AGAIN, JUST KIND OF WANTED TO SHOW YOU GUYS THIS, CAUSE I KNOW THIS WAS A QUESTION THAT'S COME UP A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT TIMES, AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE, WE PULLED FROM THEIR TRAFFIC MODELS.
SO THIS IS ESSENTIALLY 2045 WHERE THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES AS PREDATED THE GROUP, THAT THAT'S CORRECT, JARED, THIS IS THEIR 2045 TRAFFIC VOLUME.
LET ME, LET ME ADD SOMETHING REAL QUICK.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN, I GUESS THE QUESTION WAS THROWN OUT THERE ON HOW LONG IS IT GONNA TAKE TO DRIVE THROUGH THIS CORRIDOR AND, UM, THAT SORT OF A LEVEL THAT WE CAN'T GET TO WITH, WITH THIS STUDY AND, AND WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE, IT'S SOMETHING THAT MAY BE GUILTY, COULD RUN WITH SOME, SOME MORE TIME AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT BASICALLY I THINK WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE IS THAT WITH THE BASE ALTERNATIVE WAS EVEN WITH INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, UM, ISLAND VEHICLES ARE NOT GETTING THROUGH, UM, TRAFFIC SIGNALS.
AND SO WHEN YOU ADD UP, UM, YOU KNOW, TWO OR THREE MINUTE TRAFFIC LIGHT SIGNALS, UM, THOSE ARE THE SIGNAL LIGHTS THAT YOU ARE NOT GETTING THROUGH ON THE FIRST TIME.
SO EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO GET YOU A, A TIME SAVINGS FOR THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR, UM, I THINK THIS KIND OF SHOWS THAT WITH THE, WITH THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU'LL BE STOPPED AT TRAFFIC SIGNALS, UM, ADDING UP THROUGH THE CORRIDOR AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD WRITE IN OUR REPORT.
IF THAT'S SOMETHING THE COMMITTEE DESIRES, WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, WHERE DO YOU TAKE TO TRY TO SHOW SOMETHING THAT WAY IT WOULD REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT OF IT? YEAH, BUT FOUR LANE, THE FOUR LANE SCENARIO REALLY STOP CONDITION IN HIGHLY CONGESTED IN THE, IN THE MORNING AND AFTERNOON PEAK PERIOD.
I'M FEELING THAT TO COLOR OR COLLIN AND IT SAYS NUMBER FIVE AND NUMBER SIX, CAN YOU, IF YOU'RE ON THE PHONE, CAN YOU SAY WHO THAT IS? RIGHT.
IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE ON THE PHONE? ALL RIGHT, WELL, UM, RECESS, LET YOUR HAND UP.
SO RECENT, I, I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE, BUT I NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE, UM, LONELY GETTING THIS VISUAL REPRESENTATION OF WHAT THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE.
I WILL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WITH THE TWO LINES SCENARIO.
THERE'S A, A MORE INTENSE WHITE LINE, UM, IN BOTH DIRECTIONS DURING RUSH HOUR, BUT I CAN'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE COUNCIL, PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE MAKING A QUARTER TO A THIRD OF A BILLION DOLLAR DECISION ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FEEL COMFORTABLE
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MAKING THAT DECISION WITH THE ONLY DATA BEING THE INTENSITY OF THE WHITE DOTS.SO PERSONALLY, I KEEP COMING BACK TO THE POINT OF, WE NEED SOME METRICS, UM, LIKE NOT BELIEVE THE TRAFFIC MODELS DON'T EXIST, THAT CAN PROVIDE SOME, SOME OBVIOUS NUMBERS.
I MEAN, I'M A VERY VISUAL PERSON.
AND WHILE I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING HERE, UM, COMPARING IT TO WHAT WE HAVE TODAY WOULD BE IMPORTANT TOO, BUT, UM, THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME WAY OF EXPRESSING THIS WITH SOME NUMBERS THAT, THAT CLEARLY DEMONSTRATE WHETHER IT IS, UM, TIME LAPSE, TIME TO GET THROUGH THE CORRIDOR, WHICH IS WHAT SOMEBODY WHO IS DRIVING IN THIS TRAFFIC IS CONCERNED ABOUT.
I KNOW I KEEP PUSHING IT AND I'M FRUSTRATED THAT THERE ISN'T A BETTER ANSWER TO THAT.
SO, UM, YEAH, THIS MODEL, THIS IS A SOFTWARE MODEL THAT DLT AND THEIR KCI IS, IS DEVELOPED.
IS THAT THAT SOFTWARE IS THIS.
YEAH, THIS IS, UH, THE SYNCHRO MODEL.
THAT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A SOFTWARE THAT WAS USED, UM, UH, BY THE PROJECT TEAM.
AND TO GET TO READ THIS QUESTION, THIS IS SOMETHING THEY SHARE WITH, Y'ALL NOT, YOU GUYS CREATED TO OVERS TO DUPLICATE WHAT THEY'VE DONE.
WE, WE TOOK THEIR FILES AND AGAIN, KIND OF MADE A COUPLE OF CHANGES TO KIND OF CALL THIS BASE ALTERNATIVE AGAIN, IF WE JUST MADE SOME MINOR INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS PRIMARILY ON THE EASTERN END AND SWIRE PUMPS, SPANISH WELLS AND JENKINS, BUT ESSENTIALLY THIS IS THE DATA THAT WAS PROVIDED.
I MEAN, WE COULD, AGAIN PUT IN OUR REPORT THAT THERE MAY BE SOME ADDITIONAL METRICS THAT COULD PROBABLY TRY TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME, UM, ARTERIAL ARTERIAL SPEED OR, UM, ARTERIAL LEVEL OF SERVICE.
BUT, UM, I MEAN, TO THE POINT ABOUT THE PICTURE, I MEAN, I'M CERTAINLY SEEING THE, THE CONGESTION BETWEEN THE FOUR LANE AND THE SIX LANES PRETTY EVIDENT.
UM, BUT REESE'S POINT, IS THERE, IS THERE A REPORT THAT SYNCHRO PUTS OUT OR HAND PUT OUT THAT DESCRIBES THE PICTURE THAT WE'RE RECEIVING? UM, THERE PROBABLY IS JERRY, WE CAN AGAIN MAKE A NOTE TO THE TEAM THAT THEY COULD DO THAT.
SO WHAT, WHAT, YOU KNOW, AND TYPICALLY IN WHAT'S BEEN REPORTED PRIOR TO WAS JUST THIS LEVEL OF SERVICE AND, UM, DELAY.
THERE'S PROBABLY OTHER METRICS THAT, THAT, THAT THE TEAM CAN RUN THAT, THAT CAN SHOW MORE OF A, UH, I GUESS, AN ARTERIAL LEVEL OF SERVICE OR OUR TRAVEL TIME SPEED THROUGH THE CORRIDOR THAT CAN BE USED TO KIND OF COMPARE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, HAVE YOU BEEN WITH A 2045, NO BILL COMPARED TO THEIR EVERY 20, 45 BILLS AREA.
AND WHEN YOU'RE SAYING TEAM, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A KCI TEAM, BECAUSE THE REQUEST IS A PRETTY INVOLVED REQUEST, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAY? YEAH.
AND THEY'VE GOT ALL THEIR FILES AND THEY'VE, THEY'VE GOT THEIR WHOLE TRAFFIC REPORT POSTED ON THE WEBSITE.
SO I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE, UM, MUCH OF AN ADDITIONAL EFFORT IF THAT'S WHAT, UM, THIS GROUP CONTINUES TO WANT TO SEE.
WE CAN PROPOSE THAT AND ASK FOR SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO BE, TO BE UPDATED OR RELEASED.
BUT, BUT YOU'RE SAYING FOR US TO, FOR HER TO PRODUCE THAT IT'S A GREATER LEVEL OF EFFORT THEN TO HAVE KCI PRODUCE THAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALL THE OTHER INFORMATION AND DATA IN THEIR MODEL VERSUS WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE AVAILABLE.
I MEAN, THEY'VE SEEN IT, BUT IT'S, IT'S STILL A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, RIGHT.
AND THEN THAT CAN HELP ALSO, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENTATION AS WELL.
I KNOW THAT'S LEADING UP TO THE PUBLIC MEETING AND WE COULD TRY TO PULL SOMETHING TOGETHER, BUT HERE WE ARE AGAIN AT THE, AT THE FIFTH MEETING AND WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE A REPORT DONE IN TWO WEEKS.
I MEAN, WE COULD DO SOMETHING ON A HIGH LEVEL ANALYSIS, BUT IF THE TEAM'S REALLY LOOKING FOR MORE DETAILED ANALYSIS, IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE MORE THAN IN MORE THAN A WEEK'S TIME.
SO, SO RISA, I THINK, UM, WOULD IT BE WORTHWHILE IF WE GET THE ANSWER ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, WHETHER THE SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT IN OUR BORE OR THE ANSWER IS LATER PROVIDED BY DLT, AS LONG AS WE HAVE THAT ANSWER, WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT BE APPROPRIATE? BECAUSE I'M JUST HAVING A HARD
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TIME TRYING TO THINK HOW, HOW WE'LL GET THIS.I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE ASKING AND I'M TRYING TO FACILITATE, HOW DO WE GET THERE RISA? WELL, I'M GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL OCTOBER 28TH SCOPE OF SERVICES DOCUMENT, JARED, THAT YOU PRODUCED THAT GENERATED THIS PROJECT AND THIS CONTRACT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT THERE IS A CALL IN THERE THAT REQUESTS SOME DEFINITION OF WHAT PERFORMANCES, UM, AND ADDITIONALLY, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS, ARE THERE SAFER ALTERNATIVE DESIGNS? UM, THIS, THIS DOC, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, WHAT'S PRESENTED HERE, DOESN'T ADDRESS SAFETY, PRESUMABLY, AND LOGICALLY, YOU WOULD SAY IF THERE'S LESS CONGESTION, THERE'S LESS ACCIDENTS, QUITE SUFFICIENTLY, LESS SUFFICIENT IMPROVEMENT.
UM, FOR THE COST I KEEP COMING BACK TO, WE NEED IT AGAIN.
IF I WERE SITTING IN THE DECISION MAKER'S SEAT AND ACTING AS A PROXY, HAVING BEEN APPOINTED TO THIS COMMITTEE, UM, I WOULD WANT SOME DATA.
THE DECISION IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE MADE BY THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AS TO WHETHER THE DELIVERABLES BY HDR MEET THEIR CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS.
I'M NOT GONNA MAKE THAT DECISION.
CAN I ADD SOMETHING JESS? AND I CAN'T SEE EVERYBODY BECAUSE DAVID, THIS IS DAVID JOHNSON.
UM, AT THE VERY, AT THE VERY LEAST, IT SEEMS TO ME GIVEN THOSE THE WAY YOU'VE GOT THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW, I, I, CAN I, MIKE REESE, I CAN'T TELL IT LOOKS MORE CONGESTED, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE WAY THEY DISCUSS LEVEL OF SERVICE AND INTERSECTION DESIGN, EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, STOP AND GO, WHATEVER IT SEEMS LIKE AT THE VERY LEAST THERE SHOULD BE, WE SHOULD SEE THAT FOUR LANE HAS A LEVEL OF SERVICE OF YEAH.
FOR WHATEVER IT IS FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THE ENTIRE ARTERY.
AND THAT THE SIX LANES HASN'T HAS A LEVEL OF SERVICE OF BETTER THAN THAT.
IT SEEMS LIKE AT THE VERY LEAST, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I THINK QUANTITATIVE WOULD BE GREAT.
BUT TO ME, THAT'S, THAT'S TELLING YOU SOMETHING ABOUT THE STOP AND GO, NATE, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE ALREADY, THEY'RE DOING THE LEVEL OF SERVICE STUFF.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE WE OUGHT TO AT LEAST BE ABLE TO GET THAT AND SAY, OKAY, IT'S IMPROVED FROM F TO C OR SOMETHING THROUGH THAT MOMENT.
PHILIP AND JEN CORRECT ME ON THIS, IF I'M WRONG.
SO SIMILAR LINE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SAFETY, MOVING IN SAFETY, SECOND SAFETY, WE DISCOVER THERE'S TWO COMPONENTS TO SAFETY.
WE HAVE A PARTICULAR SAFETY AND WE HAVE THE SERVICE.
DO WE HAVE THE SAME THING? DO WE HAVE A LEVEL OF SERVICE OF THE SAY HIGHWAY COMPONENT, THE UNINTERRUPTED REGION OF THE BRIDGE AND THAT AREA.
AND THEN DO WE HAVE A SEPARATE LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR THE INTERSECTIONS? IS THAT, IS THAT AN ACCURATE THAT FACTORY? YEAH.
WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT LAST WEEK, THE REPORT BACKUP.
IT DOES HAVE MORE OF, UM, UM, A COMPARISON OF INTERSECTION TREATMENTS.
AND THERE'S ALSO LIKE AN ARTERIAL CORRIDOR FROM THE TRAFFIC REPORT AND TODAY, BUT I THINK TO YOUR POINT, I THINK A LOT OF THAT IS DOCUMENTED.
MAYBE WE JUST NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB POINTING OUT WHERE IT WAS.
UM, CAUSE THEY DO TALK ABOUT KIND OF A BASELINE IS A 20, 45, NO BILL, WHICH WOULD HAVE ESSENTIALLY NO IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
AND THEN THAT WAS A, I THINK A LEVEL OF SERVICE F IN MANY LOCATIONS, THEN THEY LOOKED AT, UM, UH, 20, 45 BILL, WHICH WOULD BE WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? DOES THAT HELP ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? I JUST HAVEN'T SEEN AND I, MAYBE I MISSED IT.
I HAVEN'T SEEN IT FOR THE INTERSECTIONS.
I THINK I HAVEN'T SEEN IT FOR THE ARTERIAL AND MAYBE I'VE JUST MISSED IT, BUT HOW DOES IT, HOW DOES IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT SHOULD BE EASY FROM WHAT YOU JUST DID, THE MODEL THAT SHOULD BE EASY TO DO NOW.
MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING, BUT YUP.
I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, MR. FOR HER.
HOWEVER, YOU'RE ON IAN, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YEAH, WE GOT TO NOW LOOK FOR, UM, YEAH, I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND DON'T PRETEND TO BE ONE,
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BUT I THINK I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT'S COMMITTED AT A SCENE.THIS ARTERY EXPAND FROM A POD SURFACE DIRT ROAD TO A TWO LANE PAVED ROAD TO A SINGLE LANE PAY FOR OR TO DAN TO A TWO LANE PAVED ROAD.
AND I'VE SEEN THE RESULTS OF THAT OVER TIME.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GOING TO QUESTION THE FACT THAT TWO 78 HAS REACHED ITS LIMIT QUESTION.
I HAD TWO OF YOU, WHICH WAS SATISFIED MY CONCERN AND WILL SATISFY A LOT OF THE FOLKS THAT BEAT UP ON ME ON A DAILY BASIS AS TO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THIS TONY COMMUNITY, AS WHERE YOU GUYS LIMITED TO LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS OTHER THAN TRYING FORCE YOUR WAY DOWN TO 78.
IN OTHER WORDS, EVERY WAY I'VE LIVED IN THE U S AS WELL AS OVERSEAS, WHENEVER IT IS A TRAFFIC CONGESTION, UM, YEAH.
NORMALLY ALL THE OPTIONS THAT ARE CONSIDERED, HAVE WE NOT CONSIDERED OTHER OPTIONS FOR TWO 78 COMING TO HILTON HEAD AND LIVING FOR HILTON ED FOR A PARTICULAR REASON AND WHERE YOU GUYS DIRECTED NOT TO LOOK AT THAT AS A POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVE.
YEAH, I, I THINK I CAN TAKE THAT ONE.
UM, HERBERT, SO, UM, THE DRT HAD LOOKED AT, UM, A GOOD NUMBER OF OPTIONS.
REMEMBER THERE WAS, THERE WAS A PRELIMINARY MATRIX THAT WENT OUT AND THEN THERE WAS LIKE 19 ALTERNATIVES THERE.
AND THEN IT WAS NARROWED DOWN TO ABOUT NINE, UM, ALTERNATIVES, ANSWER FOUR.
THOSE WERE ACTUALLY ALTERNATIVES THAT WERE RELOCATIONS.
THEY, THEY, THEY DID NOT LIE IN THE EXISTING, UM, TWO 78.
AND SO LET ME GO BACK AND KIND OF SHARE THIS AND MAYBE I'M NOT BEING CLEAR FOLLOW UP THAT ALL OF THOSE ALTERNATIVES BASICALLY PARALLEL TO 78.
WELL, IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION WHERE YOU GUYS DIRECTED NOT TO LOOK AT AN OPTION THAT WILL REQUIRE A PRIMARY AND A SECONDARY ROAD TO ENTER AND LEAVE THE ISLAND? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT FROM A DIFFERENT ENTRY POINT ONTO THE ISLAND? BUT WHEN BLUFFTON WAS, WAS WHEN, WHEN TWO SATURDAY WAS CONGESTED AND BLOCKED TO DID THE BLUFF, THAT PARKWAY THAT RELIEVED A LOT OF THE CONGESTION COMING ON TO HILTON HEAD.
SO MY QUESTION IS WHY HAVE, HAVE WE BEEN TOLD NOT TO LOOK AT ANOTHER OPTION? FOR EXAMPLE, YOU COULD GET TO, TO, UH, SEND HELENOR FROM, UH, FROM MITCHELLVILLE, PAUL, BY BUILDING A HIGHWAY ACROSS THE WATER, YOU CAN GET TO OTHER AREAS BY HAVING A SECONDARY HIGHWAY, WHICH WOULD, WHICH WOULD NOT ONLY BE A USEFUL FROM A CONGESTION PERSPECTIVE, BUT ALSO BE FROM A EVACUATION PERSPECTIVE.
SO MY QUESTION IS WHY HAVE WE NOT LOOKED AT OTHER OPTIONS BECAUSE TWO 78 KEEPS EXPANDING AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO EXPAND BEYOND 20, 48, OR WHENEVER YOU TRY GUYS TRYING TO GET A NUMBER BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY ONE ROAD ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT, AND YOU'RE ONLY DEALING WITH THE SAME PIECE OF PAVEMENT, YOU'RE GOING TO ALWAYS HAVE A CONGESTION PROBLEM.
I DON'T SEE HOW YOU'RE GOING TO GET AROUND NOT HAVING A CONGESTION PROBLEM.
AS LONG AS THERE'S BROKE AND DLT I'VE ALREADY SAID IT TWO 78 HAS REACHED ITS MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO.
SO WHY ARE WE STILL TRYING TO CRAM SOMETHING ON A PIECE OF PAVEMENT THAT HAS ALREADY REACHED ITS MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY? TO ME, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE NO SENSE.
AND I KNOW I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT I, I, AGAIN, I HAVE, I HAVE WITNESSED THIS ROLE WOULD EXPAND AND EXPAND AND EXPAND IT EACH TIME AS A RESIDENT, WE ARE BEING TOLD THAT THIS IS IT.
THIS WILL BE ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.
AND I GUESS IT'S FRUSTRATING FOR ME BECAUSE MY COMMUNITY HAS MADE THE SACRIFICE BY HILTON HEAD, BUT NO OTHER COMMUNITY IS SEEMING WILLINGLY TO MAKE THAT SACRIFICE.
WHY CAN'T THERE BE OTHER OPTIONS OTHER THAN TWO 78 BEING CONSIDERED.
AND NO ONE SEEMS TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR THEM ALL, FOR A RESIDENCE OF STONING, WHICHEVER COLOR, WHEN YOU SAY YOU WOULD, THERE WOULD BE A SEPARATE ROAD, LIKE A BYPASS ROAD.
ONCE WE BREATHE ONCE TWO 78 INNER SILEN, OR YOU'RE STAYING IN A WHOLE SEPARATE ROAD, CALL IT FOUR 78, JARED DESSA FOR THE ENGINEERS THAT DETERMINED THAT ALL I'M ASKING, IS THERE ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE, ALTERNATE TWO 78, IF YOU HAVE IT, THAT WILL BE GREAT.
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BUT THE ENGINEERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR DEVELOPING THAT.I DO NOT THINK THAT THERE'S BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION TO HAVE A SEPARATE ROAD OTHER THAN TWO 78 INTER HILTON HEAD AT THIS ONE AS AN OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE OR TWO AS DUTY.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT, I THINK THAT'S A, A, ANOTHER PROJECT WHERE I'LL GO, BUT THE CONTRACTOR WAS SCARED TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES, POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVES.
THAT COULD BE A POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVE, WHICH, WHICH I FIND HARD TO BELIEVE THAT WASN'T CONSIDERED.
SO I'M ASKING WHERE DID DIRECTED NOT TO LOOK AT THAT AS A POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVE TO TWO 78? NO, NOT, NOT SPECIFICALLY AS, AS YOU'RE ASKING IT RECENT, LET ME GET WHAT YOU GOT EARLY ON IN ONE OF THE DOD PRESENTATIONS.
THEY DID TALK ABOUT, UM, A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
AND THE OTHER ONE I BELIEVE WAS A DIRECT CONNECTION FROM THE BLUFFTON PARKWAY TO THE CROSS, THE ISLAND.
UM, AND I THINK THAT THEIR VERY EARLY ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS RULED THOSE TWO THINGS OUT.
AND I'M GOING BACK BASED ON MY MEMORY ABOUT TWO AND A HALF, THREE, MAYBE MORE YEARS AGO, UM, REJECTING THOSE POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS OUT OF HAND, WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE COULD BE A TRADE-OFF OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AND COMMUNITY IMPACT.
UM, AND IT COULD ALSO SPREAD THE COMMUNITY IMPACT TOO AWAY FROM THE ONE COMMUNITY ON THE ISLAND THAT HAS BEEN MOST SERIOUSLY AFFECTED, UH, FOR ALL OF THESE YEARS MIGHT BRING A SENSE OF, UM, UNITY TO THIS COMMUNITY THAT IT IS A SHARED PROBLEM.
AND I TOO HAVE GOTTEN CALLS FROM FOLKS WHO SAY, WHY ARE WE NOT LOOKING AT, AT THESE OTHER ALTERNATIVES? BLUFFTON DID THAT WITH THE FLYOVER.
THEY FOUND A WAY TO DIVERT TRAFFIC OFF OF TWO 78.
WHY ARE WE NOT BEING SIMILARLY CREATIVE ABOUT FINDING A WAY TO DIVERT AT LEAST WHAT PEOPLE ARE NOW SAYING HALF OF THE TRAFFIC COMING ONTO THE ISLAND WILL SPLIT OFF ONTO THE CROSS ISLAND? WHY CAN'T WE JUST MAKE THEM NOT GO THROUGH THIS ONE SECTION OF THE ISLAND? AND I AGREE WITH HER, I'M LOOKING AT ONLY THE ALTERNATIVES THAT S C D O T HAS PUT FORWARD.
PLUS THE, THE VARIATIONS ON THAT THEME THAT HAVE BEEN CROWDSOURCED MAYBE TOO NARROW, A PERSPECTIVE FOR THIS KIND OF PROJECT.
SO, JERRY, I DIDN'T WANT TO CHIME IN A LITTLE BIT ON, ON THAT AND THE NEPA PROCESS AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROCESS THAT DUT HAS TO GO THROUGH WITH PROJECTS THAT HAVE FEDERAL FUNDS.
UM, IT'S, IT'S THE SAME PROCESS THROUGHOUT THE NATION RELATES.
IT'S A NATIONAL PROCESS THAT THEY GO THROUGH AND, UM, BASED ON WHAT THEY WENT THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE CERTAIN AGENCIES THAT WILL NEED TO SIGN OFF ON THEIR REPORT.
SO THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS WILL SIGN OFF, DNR WILL SIGN OFF, UH, SHIPPO.
THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE WILL SIGN OFF AS WELL ON, ON THOSE THINGS.
SO THEY HAVE TO COME TOGETHER WITH, UM, AN IMPACT MATRIX ON ALL THE ALTERNATIVES THAT THEY'VE LOOKED AT AND THEY HAVE DIRECTED THAT.
SO, SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, ALL OF THE ALTERNATIVES THAT GO OUTSIDE OF JUST WIDENING TO 78 TO THAT AREA HAVE A LOT MORE IMPACTS AND SOMETIMES SOMETIMES DOUBLE THE WETLANDS AND DOUBLE THE RELOCATIONS.
UM, AND I THINK I HEARD ON THE MEETING WITH, UH, HILTON HEAD THAT, UH, THE OPTION THAT THEY'VE KIND OF NARROWED DOWN TO RIGHT NOW HAS ZERO, UH, RESIDENTIAL RELOCATIONS.
AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UM, OTHER OPTIONS THAT DO HAVE RESIDENTIAL RELOCATIONS OR TWICE THE NUMBER OF RIGHT-AWAY IMPACTS OR TWICE THE NUMBER OF WEATHER IMPACTS, UM, THAT BECOMES THE ALTERNATIVE THAT MOST OF THOSE AGENCIES WOULD WANT TO SEE.
LIKE IF THEY, THEY, THEY WOULD QUESTION IF YOU WERE GOING WITH AN ALTERNATIVE THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, TWICE THE NUMBER OF RELOCATIONS THAT THEY WOULD QUESTION THAT ALTERNATIVE.
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THEN THAT THE ALTERNATIVE THAT THE AGENCIES KIND OF, THEY APPROVED THIS, LIKE THE, THE COMMUNITY OF GROUPS AND THROUGH THEIR APPROVAL PROCESS, THEY'RE BUYING FOR THE MOST, THE, THE ALTERNATIVE THAT IS THE LEAST IMPACTFUL.IS THAT A CORRECT ASSUMPTION OR STATEMENT THE LEAST IMPACTFUL? THAT'S DEVIL'S STILL WORK.
I MEAN, IF, IF IT DOESN'T WORK, THEY UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS IS, IS LOOKING TO MINIMIZE WETLANDS AMONG OTHER THINGS.
AND, UM, SHIPPO IS, IS LOOKING TO MINIMIZE IMPACTS TO HISTORICAL COMMUNITIES IN AREAS.
UM, SO YOU HAVE ALL OF THESE AGENCIES LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS AND ENVIRONMENT SOCIALLY OR NATURALLY.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY GO THROUGH THAT IMPACT MATRIX.
AND IT APPEARS THAT ALL OF THOSE THAT ARE NEW LOCATION HAVE A LOT MORE IMPACTS SOMETIMES DOUBLE OF 50% MORE PHILIP LIT.
I MEAN, I, AGAIN, I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND I HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND HUNDREDS OF THESE PROJECTS LIKE YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN, BUT HOW ARE OTHER COMMUNITIES GETTING NEW ACCESS POINTS DEVELOPED IF, UM, THE, THE POLICY SEEMS TO BE JUST EXPAND WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE.
I MEAN, HOW ARE ANY OTHER NEW BRIDGES EVER BUILT? SO, I MEAN, IF THAT IS TRULY THE AGENCY'S POLICIES, DO THE LEAST HARM POSSIBLE ANY NEW BRIDGE IS NOT GOING TO, TO FOLLOW THAT DECISION-MAKING.
AND PERHAPS AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROJECT, THE PROBLEM WAS FRAMED INCORRECTLY.
AND IF THAT'S, I MEAN, THERE ARE, THERE ARE OTHER ADVANTAGES TO PROVIDING A SECONDARY ACCESS POINT TO THIS ISLAND, UM, FOR NOT ONLY SAFETY FOR MOTORISTS, BUT, BUT, UM, SAFETY EVENT THAT WE ALL HAVE TO EVACUATE.
YEAH, WE'VE SORTA OPTIMIZED WHAT WE CAN WITH OUR EXISTING ROADS WITH EVACUATION ROUTES, BUT MANY THINGS WOULD BE SIMPLIFIED IN THIS OVERALL COMMUNITY.
IF WE HAD A DIFFERENT BRIDGE TO GET ON AND OFF THE ISLAND, UH, OUR WORKFORCE ACCESS ISSUES WOULD BE SIMPLIFIED OUR, UM, OUR FEELINGS OF SAFETY AND, AND, UM, ABILITY TO GET PLACES MORE READILY THE, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, BETWEEN HILTON HEAD AND ST.
HELENA AND, AND PARTS NORTH OF US WOULD BE GREATER, GREATLY SIMPLIFIED.
THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF BENEFITS TO THAT, WHICH MIGHT, IF, IF FRAMED CORRECTLY OFFSET SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL NEGATIVE IMPACTS.
AND, AND I THINK THAT'S THE FRUSTRATION THAT YOU'RE, THAT WE'RE PRESENTING ON THE BEHALF OF OUR COMMUNITY AT LARGE.
I THINK THAT, YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S COULD BE A PORTION OF THAT RECESS.
SO AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THESE, UH, NEPA DOCUMENT, YOU START WITH THE PURPOSE AND NEED FOR THE PROJECT.
AND SO THAT WAS, UM, THE ORIGINAL, UH, AND FROM WHAT I CAN TELL YOU, GOING BACK TO THEIR FIRST, UH, PUBLIC MEETING AND NEWSLETTERS, THEY CAME OUT WITH THE, YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE PURPOSE AND NEED THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIX.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT PURPOSE OF NEEDS SHOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT, BUT, UM, THAT THAT'S WHERE THEY STARTED WITH.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO FIX.
AND I BELIEVE THAT I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT WAS TO, UM, FIX THE STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT BRIDGE AND TO REDUCE CONGESTION ON TWO 70, I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE PURPOSE AND NEED.
SO THE PURPOSE AND NEED, WHERE WAS THAT DEVELOPMENT TO KNOW THAT BEAUTY? YEAH.
SO DAVE T WOULD HAVE IT AND THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD PUT THAT OUT.
UM, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT WAS IN THEIR FIRST PUBLIC MEETING.
WELL, AND THEIR FIRST, UM, DOCUMENT ALSO HAD AN OBJECTIVE OF INCREASING SAFETY.
PROBABLY THEY HAVE, UM, NOW EXPLAINED THAT REDUCING CONGESTION ACTUALLY INCREASES SAFETY.
AND FOR MOTORISTS, THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE.
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YOU KNOW, REDUCED CONGESTION LOGIC SAYS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE LESS VEHICULAR ACCIDENTS, BUT IF YOU DEFINE SAFETY AS MORE THAN JUST THE NUMBER OF CAR CRASHES, I DON'T THINK THEY'VE MAINTAINED THAT OBJECTIVE AND IN THEIR DEFINITION OF THE PROJECT, AND THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT YOU GUYS NECESSARILY STARTED WITH AS ASSUMPTIONS.BUT I THINK IT GOES TO THE OVERALL DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER THIS IS THE RIGHT PROJECT DEFINITION AND THEREFORE LIKE THE, THE TRAFFIC VOLUME FORECAST ASSUMPTION TRIGGERED ALL THE SIZING ASSUMPTIONS, WHICH TRIGGERED THE, HOW MANY LANES OF PAVEMENT DO WE NEED TO HAVE THAT ASSUMPTION AROUND SAFETY BEING MOTORISTS SAFETY, UM, CAUSED US TO GO DOWN A CERTAIN PATH.
AND WE'RE STILL HAVING COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS.
THAT QUESTION, WHETHER THAT'S THE RIGHT OBJECTIVE FOR THIS PROJECT, FRUSTRATING TO BE TWO AND A HALF, THREE YEARS INTO THIS, UM, AND STILL NOT HAVE THAT RESOLUTION CLEAR IN PEOPLE'S MINDS.
GARRETT, CAN I, CAN I RAISE ANOTHER POINT HERE AND I'M, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH, WE CAN HEAR YOU.
PHIL, I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS, AND I'M KIND OF GOING BACK TO WHERE WE WERE, AND THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC, BUT IF WE COULD ELIMINATE THE TWO TRAFFIC LIGHTS THAT IS IN THIS CORRIDOR THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME, THAT WOULD GO A LONG WAYS TOWARDS ACCOMPLISHING A LOT OF THE GOALS, THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, INCLUDING SAFETY, MOVING VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, FASTER THROUGH THE CORRIDOR, UH, THE ISSUES ARE NOT GOING TO END THERE BECAUSE ONCE YOU GET PAST GUMTREE ROAD, YOU KNOW, CONGESTION IS STILL AN ISSUE.
I MEAN, JUST YESTERDAY, THEY HAD TO HAVE THE POLICE DOWN AT THE INTERSECTION AT THE CIRCLE, UH, AT SEA PINES BECAUSE OF THE NUMBERS OF CARS.
IT WAS SO CONGESTED THAT THE CIRCLE WAS NOT WORKING.
THEY HAD TO HAVE THE POLICE THERE TO, TO INTERCEDE.
AND SO CONGESTION ISN'T ISSUE ISLAND-WIDE AND WE SEE IT EVERY DAY SITTING HERE ON TWO 78, BUT THE POINT I'M MAKING IS THOUGH, IF WE COULD ELIMINATE THOSE TWO TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND COME UP, YOU GUYS, THE EXPERTS COME UP WITH ANOTHER WAY OF GETTING VEHICLES INTO TWO 78 OFF OF TWO 78 WITHOUT HAVING TO USE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
AND IN OTHER WORDS, THE TRAFFIC WOULD BE CONTINUOUSLY MOVING.
THERE WOULD BE NO LIGHTS, IT WOULD, THE TRAFFIC WOULD BE MOVING TO THE CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY AND, UM, CONTINUING ON TO TWO 78, UM, AS IT DOES NOW, WHAT WOULD THAT HAVE? I MEAN, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE STILL COULD TAKE A LOOK AT AND WOULD THAT DO ANYTHING TOWARD RESOLVING SOME OF THE DISCUSSION WE'RE HAVING? I DON'T KNOW.
I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT I RAISED IT AGAIN, JEFFREY.
I WANT TO HELP ME OUT ON THIS SPACE.
SO YEAH, WE'VE LOOKED AT, AND I THINK THIS WAS BROUGHT UP BY, UM, COUNCILMAN RODMAN AND SOME OTHER FOLKS, UM, SORT OF A FREE-FLOWING MOVEMENT THROUGH THAT AREA.
SO AGAIN, WITHOUT, WITHOUT, UH, A DIFFERENT LOCATION OF THE ROADWAY, YOU'RE BASICALLY ALLOWING FREE FLOWING MOVEMENTS THROUGH JENKINS ALLEN THROUGH THE STONEY COMMUNITY ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
SO, YOU KNOW, I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SPEED WOULD BE AT THAT POINT, CAUSE YOU HAVE NO TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND THEN THE ABILITY TO, UM, CROSS TWO 78 AS WELL.
SO YOU'D HAVE NO TRAFFIC SIGNALS IN ORDER TO CROSS PEDESTRIANS, UM, FROM ONE SIDE OF TWO 78 TO THE OTHER, AND THEN AS WELL, UM, WHEN YOU ELIMINATE THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS, THE, THE LOCAL TRAFFIC WOULD THEN HAVE TO GO IT GUESS IT DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU'RE LIVING, BUT WE'D HAVE TO GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO GET TO YOUR HOUSE.
YOU MAY HAVE TO GO A MILE DOWN THE ROAD TO TURN AROUND, TO COME BACK TO YOUR HOUSE OR, YOU KNOW, GO TO GUMTREE AND TURN AROUND AND COME BACK.
SO, YEAH, I THINK, UM, THERE'S SOME TYPE OF MEDIUM MAYBE BETWEEN FREE-FLOWING MOVEMENT,
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UH, TO GET PEOPLE IN AND OUT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE.AND THEN ALSO ALLOWING THE LOCAL NEIGHBORHOODS TO STILL BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, NOT GO WAY OUT OF THEIR WAY TO GET TO THEIR HOUSE OR TO THE BUSINESS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT OR WHATEVER.
SO I THINK THERE'S SOME MEDIUM THERE WITHOUT A NEW LOCATION.
AND UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU GUYS ARE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS AND I JUST FIND IT IMPOSSIBLE TO BELIEVE THAT YOU COULDN'T DEVELOP SIDE ROADS AT A SIGNIFICANTLY LESS COST THAN WINDING TWO 78 TO DEVELOP SIDE ROADS IN SUCH A MANNER AS TO ENSURE THAT SAFETY IS STILL THAT THE PEOPLE THERE ARE NOT DISENFRANCHISED IN TERMS OF GOING A MILE DOWN THE ROAD, THEY MAY HAVE TO GO A LITTLE WAYS, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT HAS IT BEEN LOOKED AT TO THE POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE AT BOTH OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS THAT WOULD WORK.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE PART THAT I'M STILL, I THINK THAT IT COULD BE DONE.
AND I SAY THAT AS A LAYMAN, BUT I BELIEVE THAT COULD BE DONE.
AND KIND OF JUST ADDING ONTO THAT MIKE AND OTHERS.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT THE POINT IS WELL TAKEN.
CERTAINLY PHIL DID A GOOD JOB EXPLAINING IT, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THE GOAL IS TO MOVE TRAFFIC AS FAST AS POSSIBLE THROUGH THE QUARTER, YES.
OBVIOUSLY WE'D WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING FREE FLOW, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THAT BALANCING ACT, RIGHT? I MEAN, WHEN DUT IS HAVING TO GO BACK AND AT ALL THEIR, THEIR IMPACTS AND COME UP WITH OTHER SOLUTIONS, UM, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT MOVING TRAFFIC AS FAST AS POSSIBLE THROUGH THAT.
THEY HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
IF, IF YOU DID DO THAT, WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THE INCREASE IN, UM, WETLANDS AND STREAMS AND IMPACTS TO THE STONEY COMMUNITY? AND IF YOU HAD TO REROUTE AND CLOSE TRAFFIC DOWN, SOME OF THESE SIDE ROADS, ARE YOU HAVING TO RUN PEOPLE AROUND THREE MILES TO GET BACK TO TWO 78? I THINK, UM, ALL THAT KIND OF GOES INTO HOW THEY'RE HAVING TO PREPARE THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENT AND HAVE THAT COORDINATION WITH THE LOCAL STAKEHOLDERS YESTERDAY.
I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE OTHER THING THAT WE HELPFUL BECAUSE WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT, I HATE HEARING ABOUT DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES, WHICH IS GOOD TO THINK ABOUT, BUT, BUT ONE OF THEM THAT I HEAR A LOT ABOUT IS FROM LIKE ST.
HELENA TO MITCHELLVILLE AND NOT EVEN THINKING ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL FOR A SECOND, I THINK IT WOULD HAVE HELPED YOU GUYS KNOW NUMBERS OKAY.
BUT IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THAT ONE, I MEAN, IF IT'S 17 MILES FOR IT, YOU GUYS SHOULD BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH A COST.
I MEAN, THE COST THAT I COME UP WITH IS $240,000 A MILE.
SO IF IT'S THE SAME AS THE RAVENEL BRIDGE, IF THAT'S WHAT THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT COSTS, WHICH WAS, I DON'T KNOW, I LOOKED AT A NUMBER IT'S ABOUT A 4 MILLION, $4 BILLION PROJECT.
NOW I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S RIGHT OR WRONG, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE ON SOME OF THESE ALTERNATIVES, EVEN WITHOUT THE, THE, THE WETLAND IMPACTS, THERE SHOULD JUST BE A NUMBER, YOU KNOW, THAT TO, TO KIND OF, AND MAYBE THAT'S THE RIGHT PROJECT.
IT'S NOT THIS PROJECT, I DON'T THINK, BUT MAYBE IT'S THE RIGHT PROJECT FOR THE FUTURE FOR LOTS OF REASONS, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT WILL BE HELPFUL.
SOME OF THESE THINGS, I MEAN, THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR KEEPS COMING UP.
WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE BALLPARK NUMBER FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR A MICKEY, THAT'S A PROJECT FOR THE FUTURE.
JARED, I THINK YOU'RE ON MUTE.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A WORTHWHILE ENDEAVOR THEN MAYBE WE COULD TEST HER.
SO RECESSES TO ALTERNATIVES THAT WERE, THAT YOU DESCRIBED EARLY ON, WE SAYING HELLA CONNECTION AND THE, UM, BOTH WELCOME PARKWAY CONNECTION.
IF YOU GUYS JUST DID A QUICK ALIGNMENT AND A QUICK, UM, COST PER MILE, JUST TO COME UP WITH A NUMBER.
AND LIKE I SAID, IT, IT COULD BE $4 BILLION.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, BUT I'M NOT SAYING, I'M SORRY, JARRETT.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT PROJECT AT SOME POINT, I'M JUST SAYING, AND THERE, AND WE DON'T, THAT'S NOT EVEN TAKING INTO ACCOUNT ALL THE IMPACTS ON THOSE COMMUNITIES.
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AT MITCHELLVILLE.
WHAT'S GETTING, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING JUST AS A NUMBER, IT WOULD JUST BE HELPFUL THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT, THAT PEOPLE KNOW THEY'RE.
AND THAT'S THE SAME THING THAT LADY'S ISLAND HAS.
WHAT WAS THE IDEA OF THE THIRD BRIDGE? AND WHAT'S THAT NUMBER? IS THAT A $200 MILLION OR A BILLION DOLLAR NUMBER? SO THE SAME THING HERE IS A SECOND BRIDGE TO HILTON HEAD, A $200 MILLION OPTION OR $2 BILLION OPTION, JUST AS A MARK ON THE WALL, WHETHER IT'S THIS PROJECT OR A FEATURE PROJECT.
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I SEE THE VALUE IN WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU MENTIONED THERE, DATA, UH, PHILIP, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS COULD PUT A HIGH LEVEL COST ESTIMATE? YEAH.SO IS THAT, IS THAT CONNECTING INTO A CERTAIN AREA, I GUESS? UM, SO I GUESS HIGH LEVEL, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PLANNING ON A COUPLE OF THEIR OPTIONS ARE PLANNING ON REPLACING THE EXISTING BRIDGES, THE TWO 78, AND I BELIEVE IT'S IN THE $200 MILLION RANGE JUST FOR THAT LENGTH OF PROJECT.
SO, UM, YEAH, IT'S THERE, UH, AS PROPOSED TO AND FROM, FOR ANOTHER, JUST TO TAKE NOTES, YOU GO FROM ST.
I THINK THAT'S 17 MILES AS THE CROW FLIES.
IF, IF THE RAVENEL BRIDGE COST $240 MILLION A MILE, MAYBE THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT NUMBER, BUT YOU GUYS COULD GIVE US THE NUMBER OF WHAT YOU SHOULD EXPECT JUST FOR COST NUMBERS, NOT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, JUST FOR COST.
NUMBER TWO, IS IT X NUMBER OR IS IT 200 MILLION OR 200,000 A MILE? IS IT WHATEVER? AND YOU CAN, WE CAN COME UP WITH A, SORT OF A ROUGH NUMBER, WHAT THAT PROJECT IS, AND THEN THE CONNECTION FROM BLUFFTON PARKWAY CLOUD, OR TO CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY NOT CONNECTING ON THREE 78, SAY THAT, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S THREE MILES AND MAYBE, MAYBE THAT'S 90% OF IT'S BRIDGE WHERE, SO THAT'S X NUMBER OF DOLLARS BASED OFF THAT, JUST AS A, AS A BOOKEND TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THAT EVEN, UH, I, I SEE THE VALUE IN THAT RESEARCH OR ARE EARLY, I'LL SEE ANY VALUE IN THAT.
FOR ME, IT DIMENSIONS, THEY, UM, THIS PROJECT AND IT SAYS, OKAY, THIS IS REASONABLE.
OR THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING ELSE AND IN 25 YEARS, WE'RE GONNA BE COMING BACK AND LOOKING AT, WELL, WHAT ELSE DO WE NEED TO DO ON TWO 78? AND AT SOME POINT, UM, LOOK, IF LADY'S ISLAND IS LOOKING AT A THIRD BRIDGE TO CONNECT TO LADY'S ISLAND, I WOULD SUSPECT THAT HILTON HEAD HAS A LOT MORE TRAFFIC COMING HERE, UM, THAN LADY'S ISLAND DOES.
AND IF THIS IS GOING TO BE A SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITY, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, IF THEY HAVE THREE, WHY DON'T WE HAVE AT LEAST TWO, I MEAN, NOT FOR PARENTS, BUT, BUT LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT JUST A BALLPARK.
ARE WE LOOKING AT $10 BILLION FOR THIS PROJECT? ARE WE LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT'S CLOSER TO THE SCOPE OF, OF THIS PROJECT? WHICH I DOUBT.
DEREK, I AGREE WITH, UH, WOULD RISA, IF WE DON'T, WE HAVE A ONCE IN A LIFETIME OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS AN ISSUE THAT A BEEN BOUNCING AROUND FOR 50 YEARS.
AND IF WE DON'T, WE DON'T TRY TO DEAL WITH IT.
I MAY NOT BE AROUND, BUT IN 20 YEARS WE WON'T BE DEALING WITH IT AGAIN.
AND MAYBE THE AIR POINT RESET TO SAY, IF WE LOOKED AT THESE BOOKEND OPTIONS AND SAY IT WAS $2 BILLION, THEY MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PACKAGE UP TODAY.
AND MAYBE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WORTHWHILE TODAY, BUT IT SETS IT'S ON US, A 20 YEAR PLAN FOR THAT $2 BILLION PROJECT.
DAN, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY YOUR HAND UP? YOU DON'T NEED THAT.
UH, JEFF, PHILLIP, I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE, UH, THE SIMULATION THAT YOU SHOWED EARLIER.
UH, YOU INDICATED THAT THAT WAS, UH, UH, SOMETHING THAT WAS PROVIDED BY STD OT AND THAT WAS GENERATED INSIDE THE SYNCHRO SOFTWARE, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
WE TOOK THEIR MODELING AGAIN, KIND OF MADE A COUPLE OF ON THE EASTERN END, SO THE SIGNALS, BUT THAT WAS ESSENTIALLY THE MODEL THAT WAS GIVEN TO US.
AND, AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE SYNCHRO SOFTWARE EMULATES THE METHODOLOGY AND THE HIGHWAY CAPACITY MANUAL.
AND, UM, THE METHODOLOGY IN THE HIGHWAY CAPACITY MANUAL, UH, COULD
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BE, UH, EMPLOYED, UH, TO EVALUATE THE PERFORMANCE, UH, WITH RESPECT TO LEVEL OF SERVICE AND OVERALL DELAY OF THE, UH, VARIOUS ALTERNATIVES DEVELOPED BY S C D O T.AND, UM, IN, IN TASK FIVE OF, UH, PHILIP YOUR, UH, IN MR. HENDERSON'S OCTOBER 30TH CORRESPONDENCE, UH, TO ARID, UH, YOU, UH, IT READS REVIEW AND VERIFY THE HIGH LEVEL COST ESTIMATES, UH, FOR THE VARIOUS SED OT ALTERNATIVES.
UH, WHAT I AM HEARING, UH, IS THAT, UH, WHAT OUR CONSTITUENTS DESIRE TO SEE, UH, IS A, AN ANALYSIS OF THE PERFORMANCE OF THE VARIOUS ALTERNATIVES THAT ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION BY SCD OT AND, UH, THEIR PERFORMANCE RELATIVE TO LEVEL OF SERVICE AND OVERALL DELAY, UH, AND FURTHERMORE, UH, THE ESTIMATED COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PERFORMANCE.
AND, AND, UH, I, I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY VALUABLE IF IN YOUR FINAL REPORT, UH, IF YOU COULD ASSIGN SOME PARAMETERS AS, UH, AS OUTLINED IN THE HIGHWAY CAPACITY MANUAL, UH, METHODOLOGY THAT SYNCHRO EMULATES, UH, OF THE CORRIDOR PERFORMANCE ASSOCIATED WITH THE VARIOUS REASONABLE ALTERNATIVES, WHETHER THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO IMPROVE THE PERFORMANCE, UH, INSIDE THE VARIOUS ALTERNATIVES BY, UH, DEVELOPING, UH, SPOT INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, DESIGNS, DESIGN ALTERNATIVES, UH, THAT COULD, UH, UH, FURTHER IMPROVE THE PERFORMANCE, UH, AS INDICATED WITHIN THE REASONABLE ALTERNATIVES ADDRESSED BY S C D O T AND TASK FOUR IN THE CORRESPONDENCE, UH, READS THAT THOSE, UH, UH, THAT THE HDR WILL EXPLORE ANY OTHER POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVES THAT MAY NOT HAVE ALREADY BEEN EXAMINED.
AND I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU THAT, UH, THE ALTERNATE ACCESS POINTS, UH, AND PERFORMANCE ASSOCIATED WITH SAME, UH, COULD BE ADDRESSED WITHIN THE FINAL REPORT, UH, INSIDE TASK NUMBER FOUR, UH, AS, AS OTHER ALTERNATIVES TO BE, UH, TO BE EXAMINED AND EXPLORED AND, AND COMMENTED UPON HAVE SO TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THOSE ITEMS AND KIND OF CLEAR THINGS UP A LITTLE BIT, UM, AS FAR AS THE, ALL THE ALTERNATIVES GO THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS 19 ALTERNATIVES AND THEN IT WAS KIND OF NARROWED DOWN TO SIX.
SO THOSE ALTERNATIVES ARE MORE, UH, LOCATION ALTERNATIVES.
AND THEN ONCE YOU HAVE NARROWED DOWN THE ALTERNATIVE, THEN YOU GET INTO MORE INTERSECTION CONCEPTS.
SO THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY ALTERNATIVES, IT'S JUST DETAILING OUT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPE OF INTERCHANGE INTERSECTION YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE? IS IT A TWO PHASE? IS IT A STOP CONDITION? IS IT A FREE FLYOVER RAMP, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE, BUT AT THAT POINT, THERE'S THOSE, UM, ONCE YOU CHOOSE CHOSEN YOUR PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE, OR A COUPLE OF ALTERNATIVES THAT YOU'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT ARE SIMILAR AT THAT POINT, THEY BECOME INTERSECTION CONCEPTS.
THEY'RE JUST DETAILING OUT THE DESIGN.
YOU'VE KIND OF PICKED THE CORRIDOR THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT HAS THE LEAST AMOUNT OF IMPACT.
SO, UM, FROM WHAT WE SAW, UH, WOULD THERE A RECOMMENDED ALTERNATIVES ON THE SITE RECOMMENDED REASONABLE ALTERNATIVES? UH, I THINK ONE THROUGH FOUR, THE COST RANGE WAS BETWEEN ABOUT 220,000,200 50 MILLION, UM, IN THAT RANGE.
AND THEN THE ALTERNATIVES, UH, FIVE, FIVE, EIGHT, SIX, AND SIX A WERE UP IN THE $300 MILLION RANGE GIVE OR TAKE.
SO IT'S HIGH LEVEL AND ENCOMPASSES.
SO THOSE, THOSE WERE THOSE, BUT I DID WANT TO SHOW, UM, LET ME SHARE THIS AND, AND SEE IF THIS IS WHAT Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT WITH REGARDS TO, UM, NEW LOCATIONS, SOMETHING, SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF WIDENING THE EXISTING ROAD TWO DAYS ARE THE ORIGINAL 19 ALTERNATIVES THAT, UM, GOT BROUGHT OUT AND STARTED TO DO A MATRIX FOR.
UM, AND I THINK THESE OPTIONS ARE SOME OF THOSE THAT, UM, Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IN MY AM I CORRECT IN THAT ASSUMPTION,
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THIS IS HER, UH, PHILIP, NONE OF THOSE ALTERNATIVES INCLUDED, UM, HAVING ANOTHER ACCESS ENTRY POINT TO HELP TODAY, THEY'RE ALL BASICALLY PARALLEL EXISTING TWO 78, JUST IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.I AM TALKING ABOUT A WHOLE NEW WAY OF GETTING ON AND OFF OF THE ISLAND IN ADDITION TO TWO 78.
SO, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THIS ONE COMES OFF THE BLUFFTON PARKWAY AND GOES ON NEW LOCATION ALL THE WAY DOWN TO KIND OF THE, AND CIRCLE AREA AND JUST AVOID JENKINS ISLAND ALL TOGETHER.
IS THAT SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ONE YES, I WOULD AGREE.
SOME OF THESE SHOWN ON THE SCREEN ARE ACTUALLY NEW OPTIONS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, WHICH MAYBE I SHOULD CLARIFY.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE BLUFFTON AREA UP ON THE TOP LEFT, AND THEN KIND OF IN THIS AREA WHERE MY CURSOR IS, THIS IS JENKINS ISLAND, AND THEN THIS AREA IS, UM, SQUIRE, POPE, SPANISH WELLS.
AND THEN DOWN ON THIS BOTTOM ON, THIS IS, UM, HILTON HEAD WITH IT, WITH THE CONNECTOR KIND OF COMING THROUGH THIS AREA THROUGH THERE.
SO THESE ARE ALL OPTIONS THAT WERE LOOKED AT VERY HIGH LEVEL, UM, DUTY AT THE VERY, VERY BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT.
SO DID YOU GUYS LOOK AT THOSE AND SEE THOSE OPTIONS AS BEING UNFAIR RULE AS WELL, BASED ON, BASED ON IMPACTS? YEAH.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S A LOT MORE, UM, WHETHER AN IMPACT AND EVERYTHING, AND I THINK THEY, THEY NARROWED DOWN TO A BUNCH OF OPTIONS THAT WERE KIND OF PARALLEL OR NEARBY.
YES, I'VE BEEN RICAN RICAN PASA INCLUDE SINCE A VERY HIGH LEVEL COST FOR THAT AND SHOW YOU WHAT THAT COST MIGHT BE.
BUT I GUESS I, YOU, A BRIDGE FROM A CRUMB TO 78 BUCKS INTO JENKINS ISLAND SEEMS TO BE ABOUT $200 MILLION.
SO THAT MIGHT BE KIND OF AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH MORE THOSE PROJECTS WOULD BE THERE THAT ARE AT LEAST TWICE AS LONG.
AND, AND I'LL POINT OUT THAT, UH, IN, IN TASK FOR THE SCOPING DOCUMENT, IT, IT, IT SAYS THAT, UH, IT REVIEW WILL BE CONDUCTED OF, UH, ALL, UH, A, UH, REVIEW, UH, WILL BE CONDUCTED OF OTHER POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVES TO ENSURE THAT THEY WERE NOT PREMATURELY DISREGARD, UH, DISCARDED BY A C D O D.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, I MEAN, WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AGAIN, WE'VE GOT THE, THE IMPACT TABLE THAT WAS PROVIDED BEFORE.
I DID HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR ANYBODY, IF AT FIRST SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT A SECOND BRIDGE, I DON'T KNOW, IS THERE EVER BEEN ANY KIND OF, UM, LONG RANGE PLAN OR ANYTHING IN THE MPO PLAN OR COD THAT THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT A SECOND BRIDGE OR SECOND CONNECTION TO HILTON HEAD FROM, FROM BLUFFTON, OR IS THAT IT ANYWHERE ELSE BEEN IDENTIFIED BEFORE? NO, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
UM, OF, THEY DIDN'T WANT BEING INNOVATIVE IN THEIR THINKING.
I WOULD HOPE THAT AT SOME POINT WE BECOME INNOVATIVE IN OUR THINKING AND, AND THIS IS THE ONLY PLACE THAT AS ONE ENTRY POINT THAT I KNOW WHAT IS NO OTHER WAY TO GET HERE OR GET OFF, BUT THAT ONE ENTRY POINT, AND WE EXPECT FOR THAT ONE ENTRY POINT TO NOT BE CONGESTED, THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE.
LIKE, AGAIN, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, I'M A SOCIOLOGIST, BUT EVEN AS A LAYMAN, EVEN AS A LAYMAN SOCIOLOGISTS, IF YOU HAVE ONE WAY IN AND YOU HAVE TO GO BACK OUT THE EXACT SAME WAY YOU COME IN, THERE'S GOING TO BE CONGESTION.
I DON'T CARE IF IT'S 30 YEARS FROM NOW 40 YEARS FROM NOW, 50 YEARS FROM NOW, UNLESS THERE IS A POINT WHERE YOU CAN GET OUT OF IT IN THAT ONE WAY POINT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM.
AND THE OTHER PIECE I WOULD ADD TO IT IS THAT IT IS NOT JUST A CONNECTION TO BLUFFTON.
THAT IS NOT THE, I MEAN, THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO, TO HAVE, BUT WE HERB AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A CONNECTION FROM THE NORTH END OF THE ISLAND OUTSIDE OF THE, THE, UH, MAPS THAT YOU'VE SHOWN TODAY, DIRECTLY ACROSS PORT ROYAL SOUND TO THE COMMUNITIES UP THERE.
I MEAN, I JUST DROVE TO THE COMMUNITY
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OF PORT ROYAL SUNDAY, AND IT WAS ABOUT A 50 MINUTE DRIVE.IF WE HAD A BRIDGE GOING THERE, IT WOULD CUT MY DRIVE TIME IN HALF.
AND, UM, ALSO OPEN UP THAT NORTHERN END OF THE ISLAND TO BECOME A MORE DEVELOPED, POTENTIALLY DEVELOPED AREA AND, AND CREATE AN ECONOMIC CORRIDOR TO THE NORTHERN END OF BUFORD, ISLE OF BUFORD COUNTY.
SO THERE MAY BE SOME LONG-TERM ADVANTAGES THERE AS WELL.
UM, I THINK, UH, THOSE ALTERNATIVES PHILIPPINES WITH THE 19 ENGLISH SHOULD BE WORK LAB, OR MAYBE SOME HIGH LEVEL COST ESTIMATES JUST ON SOME OF THOSE ALTERNATIVES.
UM, THE, THE BOOKEND, THE ST HELEN, A CONNECTION OR THE THERE'S ACTUALLY SHOWN SOME CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY TO BLUFFTON PARKWAY CONNECTIONS, UM, MAYBE COST ESTIMATES ON THAT AND RESA THE HIGH LEVEL THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED.
IT MAY BE MORE APPROPRIATE THAT WE COORDINATE WITH OUR MPO AS DARREN, UM, AND JEFF WERE MENTIONING, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT DO RIGHT NOW.
THEY HAVE A 2040 PLAN, AND THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING THEIR FIVE-YEAR PLAN.
AND FOR A SECOND OR THIRD OPTION TO HILTON HEAD, THOSE ARE WHERE THOSE PLANS START IN THEIR INFANCY IS FROM THAT LONG RANGE REGIONAL PLAN VERSUS A SPECIFIC PROJECT PLAN, UM, WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
BUT I THINK HAVING MAYBE SOME COSTS TO IDENTIFY SOME OF THESE EARLIER ALTERNATIVES TO MR. HERB'S, UH, RESPONSE.
AND THEN WE SAID, INITIATING THAT THOUGHT OF LONG RANGE CONNECTIONS, I THINK WOULD BE A WORTHWHILE, UH, NOTE TO ADD, UH, DAVID, I THINK THAT'S GREAT.
I THINK THAT ALSO, IF YOU'RE GONNA, IF YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THOSE WATER, THE THINGS THAT DIDN'T COME THROUGH THE CURRENT LOAD BED, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL WHEN YOU DO COSTS ALSO, JUST TO SAY, JUST TO LIST, YOU KNOW, HERE'S MAYBE HERE'S WHY THE REJECTED, OR THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN REJECTED, THEY, IN TERMS OF WHAT IMPACTS THEY HAD.
I'M SURE THAT'S, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S ON THEIR STUFF, BUT I MEAN, WHAT DID IT, DID IT IMPACT ONE OF THOSE CERTAINLY IMPACTS, YOU KNOW, SPANISH WELLS COMMUNITY.
SO WHAT, WHAT OTHER THINGS ARE IMPACTED? NOT JUST COSTS, BUT WHAT OTHER AREAS ARE IMPACTED? UH, I THINK WE WE'VE COVERED SOME OF THOSE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES AND, UH, IN SOME OF THE SAFETY ITEMS, LET'S, LET'S SEE WHERE WE ARE IN REGARDS TO OUR AGENDA AND SEE IF WE CAN HIT SOME OF THESE OTHER ITEMS. UM, THE, HAVE
[3. JENKINS ISLAND ALTERNATIVES]
WE TALKED ANYTHING REALLY ABOUT THE JENKINS ALLEN ALTERNATIVES WE HAVE LISTED HERE?AND I, I POINTED THAT OUT TO OTHER FOLKS AND THEN I FINALLY GOT CAUGHT WITH THEM, YOU KNOW? UM, SO I DID WANT TO KIND OF, UM, GIVE MY CARRIER MAYBE A MOMENT TO, TO, TO TALK ABOUT DJING AND DONNA, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO SHOW IF I GET MY CURSOR GOING HERE, SOME OF THE, UM, CONCEPTS THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT, AND THEN MIKE, I KNOW THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED, UM, THAT, UH, FRONTAGE ROAD THAT WAS, WAS BEING LOOKED AT.
AND SO THIS IS KIND OF A SITUATION THAT IS INTERESTING AS COMPARED TO MAYBE THE SQUARE APPROPRIATE OR WHERE THIS AREA IS MORE SET UP REALLY FOR THE FRINGE ROAD AREA AND THE ABILITY TO HAVE FREE FLOW OF MOVEMENT THROUGH JENKINS.
ALLEN MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT BETTER ALREADY SET UP WITH THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE UTILITY EASEMENT THROUGH THERE.
THE TOWN OWNS ALL THIS LAND ALREADY, UM, IN A SITUATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD USE THIS FURNITURE RUDE, UM, LIKE YOU HAD MENTIONED BEFORE.
UM, AND REALLY, I THINK THAT THAT GOES THROUGH, UM, OTHER SIX CONCEPTS SORT OF, I THINK MAYBE FOUR OF THOSE CONCEPTS.
AND THEN EVEN THEN, UM, THE LAST TWO CONCEPTS THAT THEY HAVE IS BASICALLY A FALSE SIGNAL, UM, AT THE ENTRANCE TO WINDMILL HARBOR, WHICH I THINK, UM, IS GOING TO BE COUGH ON TRAFFIC.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TYPE OF IMPACTS THAT WOULD BE.
IT SAYS LEVEL OF SERVICE FEE, BUT I THINK THERE MAY BE SOME IMPACT THERE, BUT I DO WANT TO RUN ACROSS SOMETHING THAT WE MAY TRY TO LOOK AT IF, AND DO REMOVE THIS DIRECTION, UM, AND OPTION WHERE I KNOW THAT THEY SHOWED
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POTENTIAL OF EXTENDING THE PROPOSED BRIDGE A LITTLE FURTHER.UM, SO INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY MAKING U-TURN ON TWO 78, THIS REALLY SETS UP, SETS US UP WELL, FOR MAKING YOU TURNS UNDERNEATH TWO 78, WHERE YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO CROSS, UM, TRAFFIC.
SO THAT'S A SITUATION WHERE YOU'VE ALREADY GOT A BRIDGE THERE AND YOU CAN DO THAT.
THERE'S SOME DESIGN THINGS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE LOOKED INTO AS FAR AS WEAVING AND MERGING AND, UM, DISTANCES LIKE THAT AND SPEED.
BUT, UM, I THINK MIKE IS WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT IS REALLY THIS FRONTAGE ROAD HERE THAT THEY'RE GONNA NEED IN THERE FOR CONSTRUCTION.
AND THEN I BELIEVE THERE WAS SOME, SOME DEFINITE TALK ABOUT A FRENCH CONTINUING THIS FRINGE ROAD OVER TO A CEMETERY SITE AS WELL.
SO THIS AREA REALLY LEANS ITSELF TOWARDS THE FRINGE RATED.
SO MIKE, I JUST WANTED TO GET THE INPUT FROM, FROM YOUR COMMUNITY ON WHAT YOU WERE THINKING IN THAT AREA.
UM, IF IN FACT, W YOU KNOW, THE WINING TWO 78 IS, IS WHAT HAPPENS.
PHILLIP, AND IF WE GO BACK 10 YEARS AGO, THAT THIS IS WHAT WE ADVOCATED WHEN THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF, UH, UM, THE SUPER STREET, YOU KNOW, UH, WAS PRESENTED TO COUNTY COUNCIL.
ALL OF THIS PROPERTY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE FROM BLUE HERON POINT ROAD DOWN TO JENKINS ROAD IS EITHER OWNED BY THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD ARE, UM, TOWARD THE EASTERN PORTION.
IT'S OWNED BY S C DLT, A LARGE TRACK DOWN THERE JUST BEFORE THE WETLANDS IS OWNED BY
SO THERE'S NO PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED AND WITH AN IMPROVEMENT TO BLUE HERON POINT ROAD UNDER THE BRIDGE, UH, FOR TWO LANE TRAFFIC, UH, THAT WOULD ELIMINATE ALL LEFT TURNS ON JENKINS ISLAND, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANT, SIGNIFICANT SAFETY FACTOR.
BECAUSE THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE NOW THAT COUNTY COUNCIL HAS BEEN DEALING WITH, UM, THROUGH OUR TRAFFIC COMMITTEE FOR ALL THESE YEARS HAS BEEN THE LEFT TURN, UH, INTO WINDMILL HARBOR AND THE LEFT TURN, UH, HEADED EAST OUT OF WINDMILL HARBOR.
SO W IF YOU RECALL THE RE ONE OF THE REASONS THAT, UH, THERE WERE TWO REASONS WHY WE DIDN'T PURSUE THE FRONTAGE ROAD CONCEPT, ONE WAS COST, AND THE OTHER ONE WAS ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
AND OF COURSE, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, UM, OF SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN ANY OF THE, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES THAT ARE NOW BEING DISCUSSED BY A C DLT.
AND LET'S, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? NO, THAT'S GOOD.
AND I THINK ALSO THIS THING THAT LENDS ITSELF WELL FOR, UM, CROSSING BIKES, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE MULTI-USE PATHS, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU POTENTIALLY GET THEM UNDERNEATH THE BRIDGE AS WELL AND NOT HAVE THEM CROSS TWO 78? SO IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT SCENARIO THAN ON THE SQUARE PRO SPANISH WELLS AREA.
BUT, UH, I DID JUST WANT TO GET, GET INPUT FROM WINDMILL HARBOR ON THAT AS WELL.
[5. 30TH BUSIEST HOUR VS 45TH BUSIEST DAY (Part 1 of 2)]
SOME, SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT IS JARED, I'M KIND OF MOVING FORWARD A LITTLE BIT ON THE 30TH BUSIEST, BUSIEST PEAK HOUR VERSUS 45TH BUSIEST DAY.UH, THIS IS A VERY CONFUSING, UM, SUBJECT THAT, THAT WE TRIED TO BREACH HERE.
UM, SO WE WENT BACK INTO THE DOTD TRAFFIC STUDY, UM, THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT.
AND IF I CAN, I CAN PULL THIS UP AS WELL.
SO I I'VE TALKED TO DARREN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS AS WELL.
SO, UM, WHAT THEY DID WITH A 30TH, UH, BUSIEST HOUR PEAK HOUR IS THEY LOOKED AT ALL THE PEAK HOURS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
AND THEY BASICALLY, THIS IS A WEEKDAY COMMUTING PEAK RSO.
I WANT TO SAY SEVEN TO NINE, BUT MAYBE SIX DAYS, I THINK IT'S SEVEN TO NINE IN THE AM AND FOUR TO SIX, AND THE PM'S ARE ANY HOURS OUTSIDE OF THOSE HOURS.
SO AUTOMATICALLY THERE, THERE ARE MEDICALLY DESIGNING FOR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT A PEAK HOUR ON SATURDAY SITUATION OR SOME OTHER PEAK HOUR THAT WAS INFLUENCED BY SOMETHING ELSE.
AND SO THIS IS TYPICALLY WHAT THEY WOULD COME UP WITH.
UM, AND THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TRAFFIC SITES.
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UM, I THINK THEY USE A TRAFFIC SITE SOMEWHERE IN THEIR OPINION ISLAND, UM, TO FIND THOSE PEAK HOURS.AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE DATE THAT THOSE HAPPENED.
SO THE 30TH BUSINESS HOUR WAS ACTUALLY, UH, MAY THE 15TH 2018.
SO, UM, THAT'S IN, I THINK THEY WENT FROM NOVEMBER OF 2017 TO NOVEMBER OF 2018, BUT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN AND SO THAT'S WHAT THEY LOOKED AT.
SO YOU'RE NOT DESIGNING FOR THE HIGHEST PEAK HOUR.
UM, AND YOU'RE NOT DESIGNING FOR SOMETHING SPECIAL.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE DESIGNING FOR A PEAK HOUR.
THEY'RE NOW THE 45TH BUSIEST DAY, UM, IS TYPICALLY WHAT THE ISLAND USES.
UM, AND IT WAS VERY WEIRD WHEN WE KIND OF WENT THROUGH THERE.
SOME OF THESE PEAK HOURS DIDN'T ACTUALLY HAPPEN ON, YOU KNOW, EVEN THE 70TH HIGHEST DAY.
SO IT'S A VERY SIMILAR THING WHERE YOU TAKE OUT CERTAIN DAYS.
UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, DUTY, YOU CAN TAKE OUT WEEKENDS.
I THINK THE TOWN, THE WAY THEY DO IT IS MORE OF A SITUATION WHERE YOU REALLY TAKE OUT CERTAIN DAYS INSTEAD OF CERTAIN HOURS.
SO YOU WOULD TAKE OUT, YOU KNOW, IF IT HAPPENED AND SATURDAYS WERE BAD, YOU WOULD TAKE OUT SOME OF THOSE SATURDAYS, YOU WOULD TAKE OUT SATURDAYS AROUND THE GOLF TOURNAMENT, WHATEVER HAPPENED TO BE, UM, TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, HIGH LEVELS OF TRAFFIC YOU WOULD DESIGN FOR THOSE DAYS.
SO IT'S VERY TOUGH TO COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES ON THIS, BUT I THINK BOTH OF THIS, BOTH OF THESE IN THEIR OWN, RIGHT.
UM, BASICALLY I DON'T HAVE THE HIGH LEVEL OF TRAFFIC IS NOT INCLUDED IN THAT.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE DAYS WHERE THE CORRIDOR IS REALLY JUST GONNA, UM, SHUT DOWN, JUST LIKE YOU DO NOW FOR SOME, YOU KNOW, AN HOUR OR TWO HOURS OR WHATEVER.
IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO GET OUT.
AND THAT'S NOT THE BEST, NOT THE PEAK HOUR THAT THEY'RE DESIGNING FOR.
UM, JEFF, DID I DO A DECENT JOB OF DESCRIBING THAT IF IT'S, IT'S VERY TOUGH WHEN YOU'RE NOT COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES, BUT I THINK THAT WAS WHERE WE WERE GOING, DID A BETTER JOB THAN I COULD HAVE.
IN A SENSE, MAYBE FEEL, SO WHAT THEY HAVE DESIGNED IS, UH, NOT FOR THE BUSIEST DAY, THE DAY BEFORE THE GOLF TOURNAMENT OR THE BUSINESS DAY ON A SATURDAY.
SO ONCE THEY STARTED WITH THEIR GROWTH FACTOR, THEY DIDN'T START FROM THE BUSIEST DAY MOVING FORWARD.
THEY STARTED FROM SOME BUSY REGULAR DAY, NOT, NOT THE BUSIEST DAY EVER ON THE, ON THE HOUR.
SO DOD ACTUALLY ACTUALLY LOOKED AT MORE OUR PEAK HOURS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF IT WAS BUSY AROUND NOONTIME, THEY REALLY DIDN'T TAKE THAT INTO FACTOR.
UM, YOU KNOW, 10 O'CLOCK ON SATURDAYS OR WHENEVER THE, UM, THE TIMESHARES LED OUT, THOSE, THOSE WERE NOT EVEN INCLUDED.
IT WAS SO YOU ALREADY HAVE NARROWED IT DOWN TO THAT POINT.
AND SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE THAT CAME FROM.
AND I GUESS THE REASON IS IF HE DESIGNED TO THE HIGHEST, HIGHEST, SO YOU HAVE ZERO, UM, CONGESTION ON THE BUSIEST DAY, YOU MAY HAVE A VERY OVERSIZED ROADWAY.
SO THAT WOULD BE, UM, THAT WOULD BE KIND OF LEVEL OF SERVICE A WHERE YOU'VE GOT SO MANY LANES OUT THERE AND NOT, NOT VERY MANY, UM, NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC, SO THAT WILL SERVE AS A MEANS.
YOU DEFINITELY SPEND MORE MONEY THAN YOU PROBABLY NEEDED TO, AND YOU HAVE MORE LANES THAN YOU NEEDED TO.
SO THAT'S WHY WE DESIGNED FOR NOBLE SERVICE C AND D IT'S MORE REPRESENTATIVE OF EFFICIENT TRAFFIC.
UH, I BELIEVE, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE THE APPLES AND, BUT EITHER WAY YOU USE APPLES OR ORANGES, IT MAKES SENSE HOW THEY, WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM.
AND, UM, I BELIEVE RISA HAD A QUESTION A WEEK OR SEVERAL WEEKS AGO ABOUT, THEY GREW THE PERCENTAGE 4% AT FIRST, AND THEN THEY, THEN THEY CONTINUED TO GROW IT AT THE 1.19%.
UM, YOU'RE KIND OF SAYING THE GREEN IS WHERE THEY ACTUALLY TOOK THEIR, THEIR ACTUAL ATTORNEY MOVEMENT, TRAFFIC COUNTS.
AND IT IS 4% UNDERNEATH THE, WHAT THEY DOES AT 30TH BUSIEST HOUR.
AND SO THEY GREW THE, UM, THE TRAFFIC HOUSE THAT THEY TOOK ON AUGUST THE EIGHTH BAKERY.
THERE THERE'S ABOUT 4% TO BE THE 30TH TO EQUAL THAT 30TH BUSIEST HOUR.
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DESIGN.AND THEN AS THEY GO TO 2045, THEY INCREASE IT AT 1.1, 9% EVERY YEAR FROM THERE.
SO I THINK THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHY DID THEY GROW IT 4% AND THEN ADD ON 1.9%, 1.19% AFTER THAT.
SO WHY DIDN'T THEY JUST SAY WE'RE TAKING THE 30TH BUSIEST HOUR? UH, WHY DIDN'T THEY JUST CALCULATE IT ON THAT? UM, I GUESS BECAUSE IT, IT, JEFF, DO YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT? I ASSUME BECAUSE THEY, THEY TAKE IT DURING A CERTAIN TIME PERIODS AND THEN THEY GROW IT TO MEET WHAT THE ADT IS.
I MEAN, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY WENT THROUGH THIS WHOLE GYRATION TO SAY, WELL, WE'RE PICKING AUGUST 8TH FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON, EXCEPT IT'S AUSPICIOUS IN CHINESE CULTURE, PERHAPS.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE, WE'RE INCREASING IT TO THE 30TH HOUR IN THIS CHART.
SO WHY DIDN'T THEY JUST SAY WE'RE PICKING MAY 15TH? I JUST, IT DEFIES MY MIND.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STEPS THAT THEY TOOK FOR THAT RESA.
I MEAN, I GUESS IF THEY WOULD HAVE DONE IT MAY 15TH, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO GROWN, GROWN IN ANY, THEY JUST WOULD'VE GONE WITH THAT.
THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME ISSUES ON MAY 15TH.
BUT I GUESS I'M RAUL RISA THAT 4%, THEY DIDN'T TAKE THAT 30TH HOUR AND THEN GROW IT AT 44% AND THEN START THE 1.9, THEY GOT SOMETHING, THEY GET IT TO THAT 30TH HOUR.
SO THE EXPLANATION MADE SENSE WHY THEY, WHY, SO THERE'S WHATEVER THEY, AND I'M SURE THEY HAVE, BUT AT LEAST WE CAN UNDERSTAND HERE IN WHAT YOU DESCRIBED, HOW THEY GOT THERE.
THAT MAKES SENSE TO THE MANY OF THESE.
WHAT ABOUT, WELL, JUST A REAL QUICK.
SO I KNOW WE GOT STARTED A LITTLE LATE AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT AND I DON'T WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ANYBODY'S.
UM, BUT, UM, AS LONG AS YOU ALL ARE AVAILABLE, WE CAN KEEP CHUGGING AWAY SO WE CAN GET THROUGH THIS AGENDA IF EVERYBODY'S AMENABLE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO, SO WE GO BACK TO, I THINK WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, ALTERNATIVE FIVE, FIVE, EIGHT, AND SIX.
UM, AND WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT.
LET ME JUST, UM, SHOW YOU REAL QUICK ON,
[7. SPEED LIMITS (Part 1 of 2)]
ON SPEEDER AND THIS'LL BE, UM, SHOULD BE REALLY QUICK.SO THESE ARE, I GUESS, WHAT THEY, WHAT WE REFER TO AS TYPICAL SECTIONS, UM, THAT THEY WERE GOING TO USE AND HOW THIS RELATES TO SPEED.
IT IS FROM WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING.
UM, WHAT THEY WOULD GO WITH IS SORT OF A RAISED MEDIAN ISLAND, AS WELL AS CURVING GUTTER ON THE OUTSIDE WITH SIDEWALKS BASED ON, UM, THE DOD STANDARDS, WHEN YOU HAVE THE RAISED MEDIAN AND THE, AND THE CARBON GUTTER ON THE OUTSIDE, THEY WILL NOT POST THE SPEED ANY GREATER THAN 45 MILES AN HOUR.
SO I THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION OF WHERE YOU HAVE PEOPLE GOING, YOU KNOW, SPEED LIMIT OF 55 OR 60 MILES AN HOUR GOING THROUGH THE STONEY COMMUNITY.
UM, IF THIS INDEED IS THE TYPICAL, WHICH THEY SEEM TO BE MOVING FORWARD WITH, UM, LANDSCAPING AND ALL THAT, THEY, UM, BASED ON THEIR DESIGN STANDARDS, THEY WILL NOT SIGN THAT AT MORE THAN 45 MILES AN HOUR.
SAY IF THEY HAD LIKE A DITCH AND, YOU KNOW, A NICE WAY ALL OUT ON THE OUTSIDE.
AND IT WAS NICE AND SMOOTH, UH, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE INCREASED SPEEDS, BUT THAT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE THE CASE FOR WHERE WE'RE AT.
[5. 30TH BUSIEST HOUR VS 45TH BUSIEST DAY (Part 2 of 2)]
QUICK, ON THE, UM, ON THE 30TH HOUR, CRAIG, WINDOW'S WATCHING AND JUST TEXTED ME AND GAVE A QUICK EXPLANATION THE GREEN DAY BACK TO THAT SPONSOR.SO THAT GREEN DAY, THE AUGUST 8TH IS THE DAY THEY ACTUALLY TOOK THE ACCOUNT.
AND WHEN THEY WERE TAKING THE ACCOUNT, THEY DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS GOING TO BE THE 30TH DAY OR THE 140 SEVENTH DAY.
SO THE MAY 15TH, THIS IS, UH, OTHER DAYS THAT THEY HAD DATA FROM, UM, BUT NOT THE DAY THEY WERE ACTUALLY IN THE FIELD.
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THEY GREW THEIR FIELD DAY TO THE 30TH DAY.AND SO THEIR FIELD WAS BASICALLY INTERCALATED UP TO WHAT WAS DETERMINED TO BE THE 30TH.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE EXPLANATION BEHIND IT.
THAT, THAT MAKES MORE SENSE TOO.
[7. SPEED LIMITS (Part 2 of 2)]
OKAY.SO THE, YOU'RE SAYING BACK TO THE SPEED PHILIP, UM, YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ALTERNATIVE, THAT WAS KIND OF ON THE LEFT, THAT THAT'S KIND OF 45 MILE AN HOUR RESTRICTIONS VERSUS THE OTHER SIDE WITH THE NO CURB AND GUTTER, DOES THAT, THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE A 45 MILE AN HOUR CONSTRUCTION? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO IF, IF WE WANTED TO PROMOTE SAFETY, UM, WE BE IN A RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS COMMITTEE AND THE REPORT THAT CAN BE A SUGGESTION.
IS THAT IN AN EFFORT TO, UH, PROMOTE THAT SAFETY, UH, PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, THAT, THAT WE LOOK AT THE 45 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT OR CONSTRAINTS? YES.
BUT WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT IMPACT CAPACITY OR HOW THAT IMPACT, BUT I GIVE YOU THAT 55 MILES AN HOUR, THEN YOU GET MORE CAPACITY WITH 55 MILE AN HOUR OR 45 MILE AN HOUR.
JEFF, DO YOU WANNA TALK TO THAT? I THINK IT CALL THE SIGNALS MAYBE AS YOU'RE COMING TO THE SIGNAL, OTHERWISE IT'S JUST BASED ON DENSITY.
SPEED IS BASICALLY AN ESSENCE OF SAFETY SPECIFICALLY AS IT RELATES TO, UM, THE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND THE OFF THE, THE FIELD THROUGH STONY COMMUNITY.
SO WOULD THAT BE APPROPRIATE, UM, ITEM TO THE LIST IN OUR REPORT? UM, AS, AS A RECOMMENDATION? YES.
I THINK WE LIST THAT AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THE TOWN IS ALSO LOOKING INTO LANDSCAPING AND THAT AREA AND, YOU KNOW, CALLING OUT THE STONEY COMMUNITY AND, AND TRYING TO MAKE THE CHARACTER OF THE ROAD MORE OF A, UM, A FIELD THAT THERE'S, THERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD IN THAT AREA, AS OPPOSED TO SORT OF AN INTERSTATE WHERE YOU'VE GOT A WIDE MEDIAN AND VERY WIDE OUTSIDE AND YOU JUST KIND OF CRUISE THROUGH THERE.
THE IDEA IS JUST TO CRUISE THROUGH AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.
SO YOU'RE DEFINITELY CURB AND LANDSCAPING AND THINGS THAT CALL OUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL CROSSINGS AND PEDESTRIANS IN THE AREA.
WHAT OTHER LATINS? I THINK THAT WAS IT, JARED, WE WANT TO, UM, ANY ADDITIONAL ITEMS. I THINK THIS WAS SOME REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION TODAY.
[3. SAFETY]
WAS SAFETY, UM, IS KINDA THAT AS A COMMENT AS DESCRIBED, I GUESS LET'S MAYBE MAKE SURE THE LETTER, THE RESISTANT FROM THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS FROM EVERYBODY HERE, UH, LET'S MAYBE RUN THROUGH THOSE THREE AND SEE THAT WE'RE, WE'VE GOT A, AN IDEA AND OUR GOING TO ADDRESS EACH OF THESE.SO THE FIRST ONE IS HOW WILL THE PREFERRED SOLUTION RESIST REDUCED CONGESTION OVER THE CURRENT SITUATION? WHAT MEASUREMENT CRITERIA ARE APPROPRIATE TO QUANTIFY AND WHAT IS THE FORECAST CONGESTION? SO IN GENERAL CONGESTION REALLY FEEL THAT WE'VE, WE HAVE A RESOLUTE ANSWER TOWARDS THAT.
IF YOU, IF YOU CAN COME UP WITH THOSE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLY ON, THAT, THAT, THAT WILL ADDRESS THAT TO SOME DEGREE FOR THE ARTERY.
SO NOT JUST THE LEVEL OF SERVICE OF THE INTERCESSIONS, BUT THE ARTERY THAT WE'D TALKED ABOUT.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S, UH, I THINK IT'S REAL IMPORTANT TO, UH, ASSIGN A DEFINABLE
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PARAMETERS TO THE PERFORMANCE OF THE VARIOUS REASONABLE ALTERNATIVES, UH, AND TO COMPARE THEM WITH THE, UH, WITH THE VERIFIED COST ESTIMATES, UH, SO THAT OUR CONSTITUENCY CAN LOOK AT THE RESULTS AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE GET FOR THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY, UM, AND EVALUATE BENEFITS AND COSTS.AND, AND, AND ONCE WE, UH, DRAW SOME GENERALIZATIONS THERE, UM, THEN WE CAN LOOK AT THE INDIVIDUAL SPOT INTERSECTIONS AND REVIEW SCD OTS WORK AND DETERMINE IF THERE ARE, UH, UH, ALTERNATE DESIGNS THAT, UH, UH, OR, OR, OR SLIGHTLY REVISED DESIGNS, UH, THAT SHOULD BE EXPLORED BY STD OT, UH, TO FURTHER IMPROVE PERFORMANCE AND IN PARTICULAR ENHANCED SAFETY.
DOES THAT MEAN? YEAH, I THINK WE CAN RE WE NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF WORK TO GET TO THAT POSITION, BUT I, I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE, WHICH IS IMPORTANT.
WELL THEN LET'S LOOK AT THE SECOND QUESTION.
UM, WILL THE PREFERRED SOLUTIONS INCREASE SAFETY FOR RESIDENTS, MOTORS, PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS OVER THE CURRENT SITUATION? WHAT MEASUREMENT CRITERIA IS APPROPRIATE TO QUANTIFY SAFETY? AND WHAT IS THE FORECAST AT SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS? I GUESS, HOW MUCH MORE SAFE IS IT IN THIS NEW PREFERRED SOLUTION VERSUS I GUESS THE CURRENT SOLUTIONS, WHAT IT'S ASKING.
WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THIS, BUT I'LL LET JEFF GARY TO HOW ALLIE HAD IT, THEIR WAY TO QUANTIFY SAFETY THE WAY WE WANT IT TO.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED A GOOD BIT ABOUT THIS ONE.
HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT THE FORECAST IS SAFETY LOOKED LIKE? RIGHT.
I MEAN, WHILE WE CAN GO BY, AS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PLACES WHERE YOU, THESE TYPE OF, UM, WE'LL CALL IT, REDUCE CONFLICT INTERSECTIONS AGAIN, WHERE SOME OF THE SAFETY PUTTING THE MEDIAN CROSSOVERS IN, UH, ELIMINATING LEFT TERMS, THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT, UM, FROM PREVIOUS ENGINEERING STUDIES HAVE REDUCED A LOT OF THE CRASHES, PARTICULARLY THOSE ANGLE CRASHES, UM, THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT, UM, MORE DANGEROUS.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO KIND OF PUT A NUMBER ON THAT.
I MEAN, THERE'S PROBABLY DIFFERENT WAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD LOOK AT SOME HIGHWAY SAFETY, UM, PREDICTIVE MODELING, BUT THAT, AGAIN, THAT'S REALLY TRICKY TO KIND OF ESTIMATE HOW THAT LOOKS.
SAY HOW DID THE CRASH STAY THAT HE OFFERED IS TO START WITH SOME OF THOSE STATISTICS, UM, HOW MANY POINTS OF CONFLICT THAT WE HAVE IN TODAY, UH, OUT THERE WITH THE CURRENT SIGNALS AND LEFT TURNS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND WITH THE PROPOSED SOLUTION, WHETHER IT BE THE TWO PHASE SIGNALS OR, UH, A FREE FLOW OR SOMETHING THAT THERE WAS 27 CONFLICT POINTS.
NOW, WHAT WE WOULD SUGGEST IS IN THIS MODEL, YOU HAVE NINE POINTS IS ADDED.
YOU BASICALLY REDUCED CONFLICT POINTS.
YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ACCIDENTS THAT'S GOING TO CREATE, LIKE YOU TO, HOW MANY POINTS OF CONFLICT THAT IT'S GOING TO REDUCE.
AND JARED'S POINT BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY IT WAS, I THINK, 32 CONFLICT POINTS PER INTERSECTION.
UM, ESSENTIALLY THOSE ARE CUT IN HALF WITH THE, UM, REDUCED CONFLICT INTERSECTIONS WITH MEDIUMS, UM, REFUGE POINTS.
SO, UM, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND CALL IT.
WE HAVE THE EXISTING CRASH DATA OF 797 CRASHES IN A, IN A TIME PERIOD.
I'VE JUST HAD A QUESTION I WANT TO ASK WHEN YOU GET THROUGH.
SO YEAH, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY, THAT WOULD BE THE VEHICLE CRASHES.
AND I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, HOW TO EFFICIENTLY AND SAFELY MOVE THE PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLES THROUGH THE CORRIDOR AS WELL, WHICH IS ALSO AN IMPORTANT ASPECT.
I THINK THAT THESE ASPECTS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE ABOUT OFFSETTING THE MULTI-USE PATH, UM, FROM THE, THE ROADWAY A LITTLE BIT FARTHER, SOME OF THE AESTHETIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT, UM, WE HEARD LAST WEEK ON OUR CALL WITH, OR THE PRESENTATION OF, OF HILTON HEAD, UM, THE DIFFERENT THINGS IN STD WHAT'S, HE'S PROPOSING, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE, UM, MITIGATION MEMBER OR MEASURES ARE, ARE
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PUT IN PLACE AS WELL.UH, AND AGAIN, KIND OF THE WE'LL CALL IT THE REFUGE OF, UM, OF A MEDIAN CROSSOVER, UM, WHERE YOU CAN HAVE THE SIGNALS TO, TO, TO STAGE REALLY ACROSS US TWO 78 IS THAT I THINK IT'D BE IMPORTANT TO, UH, AS WE'VE THOUGHT THROUGH THIS WHOLE, I'VE BEEN ENLIGHTENED AS FAR AS THE SAFETY AND IDENTIFYING THE SPECIFIC POINTS.
WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF SAFETY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, SAFETY VEHICULAR, AND THEN MAYBE LIST SOME OF THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS, REDUCE CONFLICT POINTS AND THEN SAFETY, PEDESTRIAN, AND THIS, SOME OF THE PROPOSED SOLUTIONS ARE, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND THEN, UM, ALL IN ALL IT IS THE TOTAL SAFETY FOR THE PROJECT THAT WITH THE MIXTURE OF THE HIPPIE DEALER AND PEDESTRIAN, UH, WE FEEL WAS WHAT'S OUT THERE ARE PROPOSED, OR THESE STANDARD RECOMMENDATIONS ENHANCE SAFETY BY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT.
YOU SAID, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? I CAN'T SEE YOU AND MIKE ANYMORE.
JARED, YOU PRETTY MUCH ANSWERED MY QUESTION BECAUSE I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE BEST REASONS.
UM, THE BICYCLE IS THE NET AREA.
UM, THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THAT PUT TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS ON THE REAR BURNER, BUT IF I HAD TO DECIDE BETWEEN A PEDESTRIAN GETTING HIT BY A CAR OR BE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, PEDESTRIAN, LINDA WOULD BE ABOUT THE CALL.
AND, AND I THINK, UH, PHILLIP, YOU MENTIONED IN THE JASON'S ISLAND AREA, UH, THE LOOP UNDERNEATH THE BRIDGE WOULD ALSO HELP WITH PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AS MUCH AS IT WOULD BE RIDICULOUS CROSSING.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER PROPOSED RECOMMENDATION OR SOLUTION THAT COULD BE A BIT OF A, SO JARED, I THINK, UH, OVERALL WE'VE GOT SOME, SOME SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE WANT TO SUGGEST THAT IN THE PAST, UM, HAVE SHOWN TO DECREASE CRASHES AND ACCIDENT.
UM, BUT I THINK WHAT JEFF WAS GETTING AT IS IT'S TOUGH TO ACTUALLY QUANTIFY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S THIS MANY ACCIDENTS NOW, AS SOON AS IT'S BUILT, THERE'LL BE 700% LESS ACCIDENTS OR WHATEVER NUMBER THAT IS A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT NUMBER TO COME UP WITH.
SO, AND THEN THIS, THIS THIRD QUESTION IS HOW WILL THE PREFERRED SOLUTION IMPACT RESIDENTS AND ENVIRONMENT OVER THE CURRENT SITUATION RECOGNIZING THE COMMUNITY IMPACTS INCLUDE THOSE PROPERTIES IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO US TWO 78, THE CHAINS OF TRAFFIC VOLUMES ON THIS NEXT THING, ROADWAYS, THIS IMPACT NEEDS TO BE FORECAST AND QUANTIFY WHAT IS THE MITIGATION PROPOSAL FOR EACH ALTERNATIVES? HOW DO YOU DETERMINE THAT ANY NEGATIVE IMPACTS HAVE BEEN SATISFACTORILY MITIGATE? I'M GOING TO JUMP IN THERE AND, AND HELP BOIL THAT DOWN SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE HIT THAT.
UM, ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS THAT WHEN S C D O T HAS SPOKEN ABOUT MITIGATION AND DISCUSSIONS THEY HAVE HAD WITH THE STONEY COMMUNITY MEMBERS, BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS, THE DISCUSSION SEEMS TO FOCUS SOLELY ON THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY SENT TO US TWO 78.
UM, AS FAR AS I KNOW, THERE HAS NOT BEEN ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION FOR TRAFFIC PATTERN CHANGES ON THE ADJACENT SIDE ROADS.
SO FOR INSTANCE, IF I LIVE IN JARVIS CREEK AND I'M GETTING MORE TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, IN THAT COMMUNITY, IF I'M GETTING MORE TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD THAT I HAVE TO USE TO GET TO WORK, UH, WHICH IS NOT TWO 78, WHAT'S THAT GOING TO DO TO MY DAY COMMUTE? ARE THERE, ARE THERE ISSUES THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED IN SOME KIND OF MITIGATION THAT WILL HELP PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY WHEN, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE ARE NO LONGER MAKING LEFT TURNS ONTO SQUIRE POPE, UM, HOW MANY PEOPLE'S LIVES WILL BE DISRUPTED BECAUSE OF THAT? WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE TO DO TO ADJUST THEIR DAILY ACTIVITY? AND IS THERE A, ANY CONSIDERATION FOR MITIGATING THOSE FOLKS WHO WILL BE AFFECTED? AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE QUESTION IS.
SO IT WAS KIND OF OFF THE MAIN ROUTE, IF, IF THERE'S TO THE MAIN ROUTE MORE PRACTICALLY AS
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DIVERT DIVERTED TO A SPECIFIC ROAD SQUIRE POLK, OR OUR SPANISH WELLS OR ALL OUT, OR WHAT IMPACTS DO THOSE CITIZENS HAVE AND HOW COULD THOSE IMPACTS BE MITIGATED? IS THAT THAT'S THAT'S, THAT IS THAT.AND THEN EVEN BEYOND THIS CORRIDOR, WHEN YOU LOOK FURTHER EAST AT, UM, GUMTREE THAT LEADS TO THE BACK ENTRANCE TO HILTON HEAD PLANTATION, WHICH ACCOUNTS FOR, I THINK IT'S 20% OF OUR ISLAND RESIDENTS.
UM, IF, IF, ONCE YOU'RE THROUGH THIS CORRIDOR AND DARREN, YOU CAN MAYBE HELP ME WITH THIS.
UM, IF WE'RE IMPACTING THE ABILITY OF THOSE FOLKS TO EASILY ACCESS THEIR BACK GATE, UM, THAT'S GOING TO BE A MAJOR PROBLEM FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.
SO IF WE SAY, IF ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVES IS, IS DOING, UH, IS MAKING TWO 78 MORE EFFICIENT, BUT SENDING IT, IT SENDS MORE TRAFFIC THROUGH GUMTREE.
UM, FOR THOSE FOLKS HEADED NORTH TO HILTON HEAD PLANTATION, THEN THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SOME CONSIDERATION IF THAT ALTERNATIVE MOVE FORWARD FOR SOME TYPE OF IMPROVEMENT OR MITIGATION, UM, GUMTREE IS THAT KIND OF, SO TO LOOK AT IT HOLISTICALLY, SO WE'RE WORKING ON THE MAIN CORRIDOR, BUT IF THERE'S IMPACTS BEYOND THE MAIN COOPER DOOR FROM SOME OF THE AUTHOR TURNING MOVEMENT, THEN THOSE IMPACTS SHOULD EITHER BE INCLUDED AS IMPROVEMENTS OR INCLUDED WITH A PLAN, WHETHER IT'S CONNECTED OR NOT CONNECTED TO THIS PROJECT, BUT SOME IN THE SAME FASHION.
I MEAN, AS I LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO BE, IF, IF THE, IF
UM, ARE WE GOING TO JUST BE PUSHING CONGESTION PERHAPS OUT OF THIS DEFINED CORRIDOR AND DOWN FURTHER ONTO THE ISLAND? AND WHAT IS THAT GOING TO, WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT? WHERE ARE WE GOING TO COME BACK IN A FEW YEARS AND SAY, OH, WELL, WE'VE WIDENED TO 78 TO THE CROSS ISLAND.
NOW WE NEED TO DO THE REST OF IT AND WIDEN IT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SAY PINE CIRCLE.
CAUSE IF TRAFFIC THIS PAST WEEKEND WAS ANY INDICATION, UM, YOU KNOW, WE GOT CONGESTION PROBLEMS ALL OVER THE PLACE.
IS THAT THE LOGICAL OUTCOME OF THIS, THIS EXPANSION FOR THAT, I'M JUST SAYING THAT THAT'S THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THIS PROJECT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED.
AND HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE BRING THAT TO A CONCLUSION? SO THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
SO SAY IF WE WIDEN THE SEARCH IN THE CORRIDOR, BUT THEN WE LOOKED AT, WELL, MAN, NOW THERE'S MORE TRAFFIC ON CROSS OUT PARKWAY.
IT SHOULD REALLY BE SIX LINES VERSUS FOUR LINES ACTUALLY KIND OF IN WHERE WE ARE, ARE DIAGNOSED THAT INTO WHAT WE'RE DOING, I GUESS I KNOW WHERE YOU GO AND RAISE IT, BUT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE PUT A POINT IN THAT? PERFECT.
I THINK THIS IS VERY SIMPLE, UM, EXPENSE.
THE TWO 70 IS GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON ALL OF SQUIRE, POPE, ALL OF HILTON, HEAD PLANTATION, NORMAL SPANISH, WELL, THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE REPORT.
SO THOSE DECISION MAKERS CAN MAKE AN INTELLIGENT DECISION ABOUT IMPACT MODIFICATION AND MAKING IT TWO 78, HOW IT'S GOING TO HAVE PUN INTENDED CONSEQUENCES TO THOSE THREE DISTINCT COMMUNITIES.
SO IF IT'S ABOUT IT, IT'S GOING TO END IF WE BRING IT UP IN THE REPORT, THEN IT'S, AND WE WERE REPORTING TO COUNTY COUNCIL AND COUNTY COUNCIL.
THEN THEY HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON HOW, WHATEVER IMPROVEMENTS ARE IDENTIFIED, HOW THEY WANT TO ADDRESS THE OTHER IMPACTS BEYOND THE CORRIDOR.
UH, JARED, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE PEOPLE AT WINDOW HARBOR HAVE RAISED
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ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS IS THE NOAH'S IMPACT, UM, WITH WIDENING THE ROAD AND, AND, UM, HOW MUCH CLOSER IS THE ROAD GOING TO BE TO, UM, PEOPLE'S HOMES? SO, I MEAN, THAT'S A, THAT'S AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE, I GUESS, BUT, UH, AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S, IT'S A VERY MAJOR, UH, QUESTION FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.I THINK NOISE IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, IF DLT HASN'T LOOKED AT, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING PHILIP IN JAIL THAT THEY'LL LOOK AT AS PART OF THE PROJECT COMPLETELY.
IS THAT, WOULD THAT BE RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO IT AS PART OF THEIR, AS FAR AS PART OF THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENT AND PRO THEIR DIME.
SO THAT, THAT SHOULD ALL BE DOCUMENTED AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON, ON HERBERT AND REESE'S POINT, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WHAT EVERYBODY'S SAYING IS THIS IS A SYSTEM AND WE'RE DEALING WITH PART OF THE SYSTEM.
AND I THINK THAT WE, WHAT WILL BE HELPFUL IS IF AT THE VERY LEAST, IF YOU GUYS COMMENTED ON HERE ARE THE OTHER CONSEQUENCES THAT WE SEE, AND HERE'S WHAT PEOPLE NEED TO THINK ABOUT JUST TO, YOU KNOW, IN SPECIFICALLY IT MIGHT IMPACT THIS ROAD OR HERE THIS ROAD, YOU KNOW, SO LOOKING AT IT AS A SYSTEM AND I THINK THAT'S, TO ME, THAT'S WHAT HERBERT AND RECENT, I AGREE.
I MEAN, WE NEED TO SAY, OKAY, EVEN IF IT'S A LIST, HERE'S WHAT, IN OUR EXPERIENCE HERE ARE THE AREAS THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS WILL IMPACT ON THIS, ON THIS SYSTEM.
I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT TERM, THE SYSTEM.
GO AHEAD THOUGH, TO CLARIFY, WE'RE TALKING MORE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT TRAFFIC IMPACTS, RIGHT? SO I THINK LIKE ONE OF THE MORE OBVIOUS ONES WOULD BE THE INTERSECTION OF WILD HORSE COUNTRY.
WOULDN'T BE HEARD THAT BAY EXPERIENCED MORE TRAFFIC.
SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, WE'RE TALKING REALLY ABOUT TRAFFIC IMPACTS IN THOSE, IN THOSE AREAS.
AND, AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH THAT? YEAH.
SO I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE YOU SAID THE RIGHT ORDER DAVID SYSTEM, AND I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE AND WHETHER THAT'S A LIST, UH, THAT AT LEAST IS THERE AND IDENTIFIED.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE BRINGING THIS REPORT TO THE DECISION MAKER AND IF THIS PROJECT GETS IMPROVED, YOU ALSO NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT XYZ AS POTENTIAL, UH, FURTHER IMPROVEMENTS AT A LATER DATE BECAUSE OF THIS IMPROVEMENT IS GOING TO AFFECT THE SYSTEM IN THIS WAY.
SO I THINK THAT'S A VERY ASTUTE POINT, AND I'M GLAD YOU ALL BROUGHT THAT UP SPECIFICALLY TO THAT MAKES A LOT OF, A LOT OF SENSE TO ME.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T COVERED, UM, AS FAR AS THE AGENDA.
AND THEN, UH, IF NONE OF THAT IS THERE, I FEEL LIKE I'M NOT TRYING TO SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY, BUT I FEEL I WOULD COVER A LOT OF GROUND TODAY.
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AND I THINK THE NEXT STEP, AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PREVIOUSLY IS THAT YOU GUYS WOULD TAKE THIS AND WE ANCHOR, I STARTED COMPILING THE REPORT AND THEN PROVIDE US A DRAFT REPORT TO THE COMMITTEE, UM, FOR US TO REVIEW AND PROVIDE COMMENT.AND IF WE NEED TO MEET BACK IN THAT FASHION TO, TO COMMENT ON THE REPORT, I THINK MAYBE, MAYBE WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN OR JUST AN EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE.
IS THAT WHAT SHE PERCEIVED? HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU SEE GATHERING REVIEW FOR THE REPORT? UM, I THINK WE WERE, WE WERE LOOKING FOR MAYBE TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY INTO THE MONTH TO HAVE THAT REPORT.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO SEND THAT TO JUST THE, THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE HERE.
UM, OR IF WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SEND THAT DRAFT REPORT TO COUNTY COUNCIL ON TOWN COUNCIL.
UM, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF PUSH THIS WITH, UH, I THINK THEY WERE KIND OF EXPECTING SOMETHING IN THE 60 DAY TIMEFRAME.
SO WE STARTED IN JANUARY 19TH WAS OUR FIRST MEETING TOO.
I THINK THEY'RE PROBABLY EXPECTING SOMETHING FAIRLY SOON.
SO MAYBE WE SEND THAT OUT FOR, FOR A COMMENT ON A DRAFT AND THEN MAYBE THAT EMAIL, UM, TO DETERMINE WHAT TYPE OF CHANGES WE NEED, OR MAYBE AT THAT POINT, UH, THERE CAN BE A CONSISTENT ON WHAT, WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH THAT.
ONCE EVERYBODY TAKES A LOOK AT THE REPORT, I, I, TO COMMENT ON THAT, UM, FROM THE DISCUSSIONS I'VE HAD WITH OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, THEY ARE LESS TIED TO
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THE 60 DAY TIMEFRAME, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT THE S C D O T PUBLIC MEETING HAS BEEN DELAYED FURTHER.UM, AND WE BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE, UM, SECRETARY TRANSPORTATION, SECRETARY HALL'S COMMITMENT THAT THIS WORK WILL STILL BE TIMELY ENOUGH TO IMPACT, UH, THAT NEXT PUBLIC MEETING.
UM, OBVIOUSLY IF WE DON'T DELAY IT OVERWHELMINGLY SIGNIFICANTLY.
SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO S I WOULD ADVISE THAT HDR SEND IT TO THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE WITH H SHORT REVIEWED TIMEFRAME FOR COMMENTS BEFORE YOU SEND IT OUT TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I AGREE WITH THE TIME PERIOD TOO.
I MEAN, NOT THAT WE WANT TO TAKE 120 DAYS, BUT, UM, IF IT TAKES US A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN 60 DAYS, I WOULD FEEL LIKE WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN AN INTERIM BRIEF TO BOTH TOWN COUNCIL AND COUNTY COUNCIL.
SO I FEEL THAT THEY'RE UP TO DATE ON WHERE WE ARE, AND IT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR THAT DRAFT REPORT TO COME BACK TO THE COMMITTEE, THE COMMITTEE, TO HAVE TIME TO REVIEW IT AND GIVE COMMENTS BACK TO HTR, AND THEN HDR PULL THAT TOGETHER AS A FINAL DRAFT TO PROVIDE TO THE COUNCILS AND THEN A PRESENTATION FROM THE FINAL DRAFT.
AND WE HAVE ANY INPUT ON THAT.
UH, I, I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT WHERE, UH, IMPROVEMENTS ARE, UH, BEING ASSESSED THAT, UH, GENERATE THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENT.
SAY, UH, SOME OF THE INTERSECTIONS THAT WERE MENTIONED THAT WERE MENTIONED GUM THREE ROAD, UH, ET CETERA, NEW ROADWAY CONNECTIONS, UH, I THINK IT'LL BE IMPORTANT TO HAVE A, UH, GENERAL COST ESTIMATE ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, SO THAT THEY, IT CAN BE, UH, CONSIDERED, UH, IN THE LARGE SCHEME OF THINGS AS TO THE ACTUAL COST OF THE, OF THE VARIOUS ALTERNATIVES.
YOU'RE SAYING AS THAT LAST BULLET WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT AS OVERALL SYSTEM IMPACTS THAT MAYBE LOOK AT THIS ROAD, THIS ROAD, THIS ROAD, AND THIS ROAD THAT YOU JUST PUT THE ACR AND HELP KIND OF PUT A HIGH-LEVEL COST ESTIMATE LEADS.
ONE OF THOSE, I THINK IF CERTAIN, UH, UH, ALTERNATIVES BEING ASSESSED, UH, SAY REQUIRE WIDENING OF GUMTREE ROADS AND TWO LANES FOR, FOR, UH, AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE, UH, PUBLICS AND OUR COUNCIL'S ABILITY TO DIGEST, THAT WILL BE, UH, THE ASSIGNMENT OF A ROUGH COST ESTIMATE TO THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
BUT AS FAR AS THE, UM, UH, HDR OR WORKING ON THE DRAFT REPORT AND SENDING THAT BACK OUT TO THE COMMITTEE, MEETING, MAKING COMMENT, AND THEN HDR ISSUE IN A FINAL DRAFT TO THE COUNCILS, DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE APPROPRIATE? UM, YES.
MIKE, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? NO, I JUST, UH, THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
AND REASON WHY, SORRY, I SEE Y'ALL AS A SCREEN LIGHT NOW.
DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YEAH, I HAVE ONE, JUST ONE MORE THING THAT I WANT TO VERIFY IN THE MINUTES FROM MEETING NUMBER FOUR, THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES THAT ARE SPECIFIED THAT WILL BE IN THE REPORT, I BELIEVE.
AND I HAD TO LEAVE LAST MEETING EARLY.
SO UNFORTUNATELY I DIDN'T HEAR THIS PART, BUT IT, WHAT IT SAYS TO ME IS THAT THE ALTERNATIVES WILL BE A REPRESENTATIVE TWO LANE ALTERNATIVE, WHICH I AM ASSUMING IS WHAT THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT CALLED THE BASE ALTERNATIVE CONCEPT AND ALTERNATIVE TO THE NORTH OF THE STONY COMMUNITY ALTERNATIVES, SIMILAR TO THOSE SHOWN WITH REDUCED CONFLICT INTERSECTIONS AND ALTERNATIVE WITH FREE FLOW MOVEMENTS ALONG TWO 78.
AND THE TWO PHASE SIGNALS SHOWN IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING, SO THAT I MIGHT COUNT IS FIVE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES THAT WILL BE, UM, IN HDR'S FINAL REPORT.
IS THAT, IS THAT UNDERSTANDING? CORRECT.
I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE, BUT I THINK THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THEN I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY, UM, HIGH LEVEL COSTS OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT FOR, UM, AN OPTION THAT CONNECTS TO DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE AS WELL.
AND, UM, I WOULD HAVE GREATLY APPRECIATE SINCE WE, WE HAVE KIND OF INSTILLED THE CONCEPT OF BASE ALTERNATIVE AS THE NOMENCLATURE FOR
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THAT TWO LANE OPTION, IF YOU COULD USE THAT, BECAUSE IT'S A PHRASE THAT, UM, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS UNDERSTAND, IT JUST WILL MAKE COMMUNICATION EASIER.ARE I KNOW YOU'RE MENTIONING THAT, BUT IF, I MEAN THAT REALLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS JUST AS OUR BASE ALTERNATIVE, CAUSE YOU KNOW, THE STUFF THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT FOR MSCI DUTY NEVER ACTUALLY HAD ANY SORT OF TWO LINES SCENARIO, RIGHT.
EVERY ALTERNATIVE THAT THEY STUDIED, WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE ALL HAD THREE LANES IN EACH DIRECTION BECAUSE OF THE ANTICIPATED GROWTH FROM TRAFFIC.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THAT FIGURE WE SHOWED EARLIER TODAY.
SO, SO LAY CALL IT, YOU CAN CALL IT A TWO LANE ALTERNATIVE, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE CLEARLY BECAUSE IT, BECAUSE DOTD DID NOT HAVE THAT IN ANY OF THE STUFF THEY'VE PRESENTED, I WOULD JUST WANT TO MAKE IT HIGHLIGHTED THAT THAT'S WHAT THIS REPRESENTS AND WHEREVER THE PERFORMANCE FALLS OUT FROM THAT ANALYSIS IS REALLY GOING TO BE CRITICAL TO THE DECISION MAKER.
WELL I THINK, UH, AGAIN, I THINK WE COVERED A LOT OF GROUND TODAY AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE OPEN DISCUSSION AND MORE THAN MORE THAN TODAY, JUST APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMITMENT.
UH, I DUNNO HOW MANY HOURS WE'VE BEEN ON THIS CALL TOGETHER OVER THE LAST FIVE MEETINGS, BUT AGAIN, UH, NOBODY'S GETTING PAID AND I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY JUST, UH, GETTING INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY AND GETTING INVOLVED IN A PROJECT LIKE THIS.
AND AGAIN, THANKS EVERYBODY FOR THAT PARTICIPATION, UH, ACR, APPRECIATE YOU GUYS WORKING WITH US IN FACILITATING THIS AND, AND RESEARCH AND THE DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT ARE CONCERNED, THE COMMUNITY.
AND I LOOK FORWARD FOR THIS TO BE A VERY USEFUL TOOL THAT WE CAN PROVIDE TO BOTH COUNCILS THE DECISION-MAKERS TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE A MOVE OR WITH A WORTHWHILE PROJECT.
SO AGAIN, THANK YOU EVERYBODY.
SO PHILIP, I GUESS, UM, HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF THE MONTH, THEN WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO EXPECT A DRAFT REPORT TO THE COMMITTEE.
AND AGAIN, I'LL BE THE CONDUIT ME AND BRITTANY.
UM, SO SEND THAT TO ME AND THEN WE'LL SEND THAT OUT TO ALL.
SO, ALL RIGHT, WELL, THANKS EVERYBODY.
THANKS FOR STAYING LATE TODAY.
AND UH, AND WE'LL, WE'LL TALK LATER.