[1. INTRODUCTIONS / PREVIOUS SUMMARY]
[2. SCHEDULE AND REPORT OUTLINE]
[3. NEW ALTERNATIVES ]
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INTERSECTION PERFORMANCE ANALYSIS EVEN WITH 50 PERCENT MORE PAVEMENT PAVEMENT WE'RE
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STILL NOT GETTING TARGET LEVEL OF SERVICE NUMBERS. AND WHAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT THAT[00:31:59]
IS THE LOGICAL EXTENSION SAYS WELL LET'S ADD YET ANOTHER LINE.[00:32:05]
AND AT WHAT POINT DO WE. DO WE START SACRIFICING THE HUMAN SCALE AND HUMAN IMPACT[00:32:13]
FOR THE WHATEVER CHANGE IN COMMUTE TIME THAT THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING ONTO THE ISLAND[00:32:21]
FOR THAT VERY SHORT HOUR OF TIME IN THE MORNING MIGHT BENEFIT FROM?[00:32:28]
AND WHAT'S THE PRICE THAT YOU PAY? DO YOU DOES THAT.IS IT A CHARGE TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING IN THE STONING COMMUNITY AND THOSE OF WHO ARE DRIVING THROUGH THERE DURING NON PEAK HOURS OR ARE WE GOING TO ASK THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING AT PEAK HOURS TO TAKE THE HIT? SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO YEAH.
AND I DO THINK THAT THE PEAK HOUR IN IN ADDITION IF WE GO BACK TO THE VERY BEGINNING WAS
[4. SAFETY AND ROAD CHARACTER ]
THE PURPOSE AND NEEDED PROJECT SAFETY AND CAPACITY. >> SO THE THREE LANES AS PRESCRIBED THAT'S OUT THERE NOW IS NOT JUST MERELY FOR CAPACITY BUT IT'S ALSO FOR SAY BECAUSE THE TWO LANES ARE HAVING AS I THINK IT WENT THROUGH THIS IN PRETTY GOOD DETAIL LAST TIME THE TWO LANE CONDITIONS HAS A TON OF SAFETY CONCERNS RIGHT NOW AND A LOT OF THE ACCIDENTS THROUGH THE WHOLE CORRIDOR ARE NOT AT INTERSECTIONS OR REAR END ACCIDENTS WHICH SIGNIFY CONGESTION. SO OBAMA AND POTENTIALLY A THIRD LANE EVEN IF THE DELAY IS NOT THAT SIGNIFICANT BETWEEN THE TWO LANE OPTION FREE LANE OPTION IT MAY VERY WELL BE VERY SIGNIFICANT IN REGARD TO THE SAFETY OF HOW HOW THAT CORRIDOR FUNCTIONS.
SO THE LANE WITH IT IS DOING MORE THAN JUST PULLING ONE PURPOSE I GUESS IS ONE FROM.
SO CAN WE SEE THE MODEL RESULTS THAT SHOW THAT AND THAT SHOW THE THE DELAYS?
>> I THINK WE COULD. THE DELAY IS IN THE IN THE EXISTING SECTION ARE WHAT'S OUT THERE TODAY. SO THERE'S NO MODEL ON THE CITY OR LANE OR TO LAND SECTION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S OUT THERE. RIGHT.
SO WE HAVE THE EXISTING DATA WHICH IS THE TRAFFIC DATA AND THE AND THE CRASH DATA AND THEN THE MODEL WOULD BE FOR THE THREE LANE SECTION WHICH SHOWS WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE AS FAR AS CRASH DATA AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE AS FAR AS DELAY? AND AGAIN, IT MAY NOT.
IT MAY NOT. THE MAIN WINNER OF THAT PURPOSE A THREE LANES MAY NOT BE THE
DELAY AND MAYBE THE SECOND ROW . >> THE OTHER THING WE DISCUSSED WAS THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF LEFT TURN CRASHES AND SAFETY ISSUES AND IF WE OPTIMIZE THAT
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INTERSECTION PERFORMANCE BY ELIMINATING SOME OF THOSE LEFT TURNS WE MAY GET WHAT WE WILL GET SOME IMPROVEMENT IN SAFETY. THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES WHAT ARE THE TRADEOFFS? SO IF OPTION A IS THREE LANES WITH LEFT TURNS AND THAT'S THE THE DEO TEAM PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE IF WE STATED TWO LANES WITH THE SAME INTERSECTION OPTIMIZATION WHAT DO WE SACRIFICE PRICING IN TERMS OF THROUGHPUT AND WHAT ARE WE SACRIFICING IN TERMS SAFETY BY GOING TO THAT VERSUS WHAT ARE WE BENEFITING BY NOT INCREASING THE FOOTPRINT? SO TO ME THOSE ARE TRADE OFFS THAT IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE FOR US AS A TEAM TO TO TAKE A LOOK AT AS PERHAPS AN ALTERNATIVE THAT MIGHT BE MIGHT BRING SOME OTHER BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITYAND CERTAINLY TO THE POCKETBOOK . >> I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT. THIS IS JOHN AND I THINK AS MUCH AS WE CAN GET PAST AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE TRY TO GET PAST FORECAST AND WE JUST SPEND ANOTHER HALF HOUR TALKING ABOUT THE FORECAST AND WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT INTERSECTION DESIGN AND FLOW OF TRAFFIC AND THE IMPLICATIONS OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS. SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN MOVE ON. THAT'S A GOOD SEGWAY SAID. SPEAKING OF ALTERNATIVE.
SO I GUESS PHILIP, MAYBE IF YOU CAN DESCRIBE THE ALTERNATIVES THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF ONES THAT WOULD JUST US ONES THAT YOU'VE EITHER IDENTIFIED OR BEEN PRESENTED WITH.
AND THEN IF THERE'S ALTERNATIVES OUT THERE THAT YOU HAVE THAT CAN THROW OUT THERE OR ANYBODY ELSE, LET'S LET'S GO THROUGH THAT RIGHT NOW. OKAY.
SO I KNEW THIS IF I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN THERE AND WE HAVE I THINK DUTY HAS PUT OUT A GOOD NUMBER OF OPTIONS IN THE SQUARE POPE COMMUNITY TYPE OF SPANISH ROADS INTERSECTION AREA AS WELL
AS JENKINS ON TO BAGHDAD THAT IT'S BEEN OUT THERE. >> WE HAVE HAD A COUPLE OF OPTIONS GIVEN THERE AND HAD ONE AND THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT CAME IN SO WE SPENT A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO LOOK AT THAT. LET ME SHARE THESE ON MY SCREEN AND THEN I KIND OF WANTED TO GO INTO A LITTLE BIT OF SAFETY AS WELL AND I THINK YOU'RE SEEING MY SCREEN NOW. ALL RIGHT. WITH YEAH.
SO AND I DID WANT TO POINT OUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT AND MIGHT BE OF INTEREST THAT COULD HELP THESE MAY ACTUALLY BE ITEMS THAT EITHER THE TOWN OR THE COUNTY WANTS TO BE IN A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROL OF THEM. THEY WANT TO MAKE THAT A PROJECT OF THEIRS. SOMETIMES WHEN YOU GET YOU KNOW FOR YOU IF YOU'RE ON A NEW ROAD OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, YEARS SAT ON THE D.A. STANDARDS THERE.
BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A COMMUNITY ROAD SOMETHING LOCAL, YOU KNOW IT MAY ACTUALLY BE MORE CONVENIENT OR BETTER OFFERS FOR YOU TO ACTUALLY HAVE THE TOWN OR SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, OWNED BY CONSTRUCTED OR WHATEVER. YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE SAY IN. SO SINCE YOU HAVE A LOT MORE THAN JUST THE LIKE IN THE 80S DESIGN AND SAY THIS THE JEWISH DELI RIGHT HERE NOW WOULD BE THE 30TH DAY VERSUS MAYBE SOME LESSER STANDARDS FROM THE TOWN OR CAN YOU SAY. YEAH.
SO I MEAN THIS THIS IS THIS IS ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS THAT THAT I'M REFERRING TO SO YEAH.
IF IF YOU KNOW YOU YOU CAME IN AND MODIFIED SOME INTERSECTIONS BUT YOU HAD TO KIND OF REROUTE TRAFFIC AND YOU'RE GOING TO REROUTE TRAFFIC THROUGH A LOCAL AREA AND MAYBE BETTER JUST TO HAVE A NICE SMALLER LOCAL ROAD THERE'S STILL A LOT OF TREE COVER AND THINGS LIKE THAT ASSOCIATED WITH IT. SO THIS IS AN OPTION THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WHERE SQUIRE POPE REALLY HAS THAT LEFT TURN MOVEMENT FROM TO SET ME ON A SQUARE POPE.
AND THEN THE RIGHT TURN FROM SQUARE POPE ON TO 78. THOSE ARE THE MAJOR TURNING MOVEMENTS AND REALLY IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THOSE MOVEMENTS YOU WOULDN'T EVEN QUALIFY FOR A
SIGNAL AT THAT POINT. >> SO IT'S A GOOD SITUATION HERE.
MAYBE WHERE YOU WERE YOU ELIMINATE THAT LEFT TURN AND ELIMINATE THAT SIGNAL.
THE ONLY ISSUE I THINK AT THAT POINT IS YOU STILL HAVE A FULL SIGNAL AT SPANISH WELLS.
SO WE WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DETAIL ON IF YOU RECALL FROM BEFORE. ONCE YOU GET MORE THAN TWO PHASES, ONCE YOU GET INTO THREE AND FOUR PHASES IT REALLY STARTS TO BACK UP EVEN WHEN YOU HAVE THREE LANES GOING THROUGH
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. SO THERE'S THAT BUT YOU KNOW, COMING DOWN INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO YOU KNOW, TURNING A LOUD HORSE AND GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN THE GUM TREE, YOU KNOW, A POSSIBILITY OF MAYBE SENDING PEOPLE BACK AROUND THIS OR ACCESS FOOD OR EVEN YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN TALKS IN THE PAST ABOUT EXTENDING CHAMBERLAIN OVER TO SPANISH WELLS. I THINK THERE WOULD BE SOME IMPACTS THERE BUT MAYBE NOT QUITE AS MUCH IF IF LOCAL GOVERNMENT TOOK THAT ON. BUT JUST SOME LOCAL ROUTES TO AVOID TRAFFIC MOVEMENTS THROUGH THIS AREA. IF NOT, THERE WOULD BE A FAIRLY DECENT DETOUR AROUND YOU HAVE TO TAKE A WILD HORSE DOWN TO GUMTREE, COME ALL AROUND THE WAY YOU COULD JUST GO DOWN TO GUMTREE AND COME AROUND. BUT AGAIN THAT WOULD PROBABLY INCLUDE ADDITIONAL INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILD HORSE AND GUMTREE JUST ALONG AT THE INTERSECTION AND ALONG THOSE ROUTES. SO THIS OPTION BASICALLY GETTING RID OF ONE HORSE SIGNAL BUT YOU'RE KEEPING THIS BAN AS WELL POSTED MORE IT'S NOT THAT PHASED. GET IT INTO TODAY'S YEAH. SO THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC RETURN THAT GOES TURNS ON THE SPANISH WELL AS OPPOSED TO 78 BACK INTO THOSE COMMUNITIES AND THERE AND THEN AS WELL AS SPANISH WAS TURNING AND LEFT. SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT DARWIN WAS WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IS STILL KEEPING THAT AMOUNT TRAFFIC THAT THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC KEEPING THOSE IN THAT LOCATION. YOU HEAR TRAFFIC SAY FROM ESQUIRE WE GOT ALL TURN TO SEE IN THE EAST ON THIS POPE WHEN YOU SHIFTED TO SAY A WILD HORSE ,THE WILD HORSE YOURSELF NEED IMPROVEMENTS THAT PROBABLY NEED IMPROVEMENTS UP UNTIL I MEAN IT MAY EVEN NEED A DO LEFT AT THAT POINT AND WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT.>> SO IF I HAD NEEDED DU LAC YOU WOULD DEFINITELY NEED TO HAVE IMPROVEMENTS ON WILD HORSE. I WOULD SAY AT LEAST UP TO THE OLD WILD HORSE INTERSECTION YOU WOULD PROBABLY NEED IMPROVEMENTS ON ON WILD HORSE. YES.
WHAT ARE THE WHAT A DISASTER THAT IS. HAVE YOU SEEN THIS AND I CAN'T SEE ANY ADVICE ON THE I DIDN'T WANT TO SHOW ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE THAT HAD BEEN TALKED ABOUT AND I THINK THIS IS ONE THAT GOES BACK TO OUR TALK ABOUT EARLIER ON IN THE PROCESS. THIS IS AN ALTERNATIVE THAT BASICALLY SHOWS A FREE FLOWING MOVEMENT THROUGH THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR. AND SO YOU HAVE A RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT AT SQUARE POPE AND THEN ALSO A WRITING WHITE OUT AT SPANISH.
WELL. SO I THINK THIS IS ONE THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT A YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST HAVE A FREE FLOWING MOVEMENT. DOESN'T THAT INCREASE THE CAPACITY AND NUMBER OF LANES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I DID WANT TO SHOW A COUPLE THINGS HERE. SO ANYBODY COMING DOWN SQUIRE POPE AND WANTING TO TAKE A LEFT. THEY YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD NEED TO COME IN NORTH OF THAT BASICALLY IT DOESN'T WORK DOWN YET FOR SURE. YEAH.
SO IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A LEFT ON DISQUIET, POPE YOU WILL BASICALLY BE GOING DOWN TO GUMTREE AND EITHER MAKING A U-TURN OR TURNING ON THE COUNTRY TO COME BACK AROUND THAT DIRECTION. SAME THING FOR LEFTS OFFICE SQUIRE POPE YOU'D HAVE TO USE GUMTREE OR WILD HORSE OR SOME OTHER OPTION. I'M SORRY ABOUT LEAVING THAT WHOLE THING THERE. SAME THING IN SPANISH WELLS HE HAS TO TAKE A LEFT OFF A SPANISH WAS YOU'D BEST BE TAKING A RIDE GOING DOWN THE COUNTRY MAKING A U-TURN.
SAME THING COMING BACK MAKING A LEFT ON THERE. YOU HAVE TO COME ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH THIS CORRIDOR AND TURN AROUND AND COME BACK. SO THIS IS THIS IS ONE OF THE SITUATIONS WHERE YOU KNOW, ABSOLUTELY THE FREE FLOWING MOVEMENT COULD IT COULD ACQUIRE MORE VEHICLES BUT THE SIDE ROAD TRAFFIC WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL DETOURS FROM WHAT THEY'RE TAKING NOW TO THIS AREA AND THEN A LITTLE BIT OF THAT ALSO.
SO THIS IS JUST A MATCH LINE. THIS IS THE NEXT SHEET TO THE SOUTH.
WE LIKE KIND OF A U-TURN HERE AT NIGHT LIKE RIGHT BEFORE YOU GET TO COUNTRY AGAIN.
THAT IS A PRETTY HIGH LEVEL OF VEHICLES THAT WOULD WANT TO MAKE THAT THAT U-TURN.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO PHYSICALLY WORK.
YOU'D HAVE A POSSIBLY A STOP CONDITION HERE OR IF YOU DID HAVE A MERGE YOU BASICALLY HAVE
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BACK TO BACK MERGES WHICH IS NOT A VERY SAFE CONDITION THERE.SO YOU'D EITHER BE ADDING A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF LAUGHS ON COUNTRY AS WAS LEFT OFF OF GUMTREE WHICH ARE TWO ADDITIONAL PHASES. SO YOU'RE ADDING YOU'RE ADDING TIME TO TWO ADDITIONAL PHASES AND TAKING TIME AWAY FROM THE THIRD MOVEMENT.
SO I THINK THAT THIS HAS THIS HAS SOME PROMISE AS FAR AS TO SAVE MONEY.
BUT I THINK THE IMPACT TO THE LOCAL TRAFFIC TRYING TO GET AROUND SPANISH WASN'T SQUARE POPE IS GREATLY DIMINISHED. ALSO THE OTHER OPTION HERE THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS BASICALLY WITH NO SIGNALS ON THIS ROUTE YOU HAVE DIMINISHED THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE PEDESTRIANS CROSS. I MEAN I KNOW THERE'S I KNOW THERE'S JUST A LARGE AMOUNT PEDESTRIAN BIKES THAT CROSS DOWN IN SPANISH WELLS MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LAST UP IN THIS AREA. BUT STILL THERE IS THERE IS A A NEED FOR THAT.
SO WE DID WANT TO TRY TO KEEP WELL I GUESS IN SOME OF OUR LOOKING AT THIS WE DO WANT TO TRY TO KEEP AT LEAST A TWO PAGE SIGNAL SOMEWHERE IN HERE TO ALLOW THOSE PEDESTRIANS TO AT LEAST GET ACROSS AND SAFELY ALI A AND IT SIGNALS THE INTERSECTION WHERE VEHICLES WERE STOPPED TO LET THEM GO THROUGH. ALL RIGHT.
WHAT ABOUT WHAT NOT COMMENTS ON THIS? NO.
GERARD, JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK COMMENTS. THE GUM TREE I THERE'S CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY SQUIRE POPE LEFT TURNS SQUIRE POPE OFF OF 278.
IT IS SIGNIFICANT. AND IF YOUR ELIMINATING THE ABILITY TO TURN ON THE SQUIRE POPE AND MOVING DOWN THAT TRAFFIC DOWN THE GUM TREE I THINK GUM TREE IN ITSELF CURRENTLY NEEDS SOME TWEAKING WITH REGARD TO TRAFFIC THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION.
BUT THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SIGNIFICANT THOUGHT WITH REGARD TO THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC TURNING LEFT INTO GUMTREE AND RIGHT NOW. I MEAN IT COULD IT COULD HAPPEN BUT IT WOULD TAKE MAKING SOME MAJOR ADJUSTMENTS TO THAT INTERSECTION.
I WAS JUMPING ON THE SCREEN TO ME AND MICHAEL THAT THAT COMMENT HAD HE'S RIGHT WHERE I WAS THINKING TOO IS THAT SPECIFICALLY WITH THESE PENALTY OPTIONS THAT HE JUST SHOWED US PUTTING OFFSIDE IMPROVEMENTS ARE GOING TO BE NEEDED SOMEWHERE AT SOME POINT WHETHER IT'S THROUGH THIS PROJECT OR BEYOND. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE BY THE THE CORRIDORS HANDLING TRAFFIC. BUT ANY CHANGE THAT WE MAKE OUT THERE? SO WHAT'S OUT THERE TODAY IS GOING TO SHIFT TRAFFIC ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WHETHER IT'S WITH THE STOPLIGHTS, WHETHER THESE FREE FLOW CONDITIONS OR NOT. THAT'S JUST HOW I FEEL.
I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GOING TO IS IN A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY, A QUARTER OF A BILLION DOLLARS AND WE'RE GOING TO FIX ARE A LARGE AMOUNT OF CONCERN. BUT LATER WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE CONTINUE TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS IN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AS AS THE TRAFFIC DEMANDS WHETHER THAT'S NOW OR 10 YEARS OR 20 YEARS, WHETHER THAT THEN MEANS YOU MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE SPECIFICALLY IN 20 YEARS SANDY.
IT MAY BE WITHIN 10 YEARS ON GUMTREE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S WHAT IS SPEAKING TO ME.
I DON'T THAT'S TRUE OR NOT. THAT'S GOOD. JERRY, I GUESS ON THIS ONE YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS A GUMTREE INTERSECTION WE ARE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS THERE.
CURRENTLY WE MAY BE MAKING ALLUDE TO THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE NEXT TIME BUT THERE WILL BE A SHIFT IN TRAFFIC TO THE CROSSING AND PARKWAY AFTER THE TOLL IS TAKEN OUT.
SO THERE SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT LESS BUT YOU STILL HAVE THAT THE GROWTH RATE PEOPLE IN THE AREA. SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT THAT WILL DO TO THE COUNTRY INTERSECTION. WHEN THE TOLL WAS TAKEN OFF OF THE CROSS ON PARKWAY SO I THINK WE CAN OFFER THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE NEXT TIME. THAT MAKES THAT MAKES SENSE.
MORE PEOPLE WILL TAKE THE CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY INSTEAD OF 278. AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH THAT IS I THINK UNDER THE SCENARIO THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING BELOW THAT RELOCATING ALL OF THAT LEFT TURN DEMAND DOWN TO GUMTREE ROAD WOULD POTENTIALLY CREATE A CONDITION WHERE OBVIOUSLY MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS WOULD NEED TO BE MADE TO THAT INTERSECTION.
>> BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT BOTH A ONE ISLAND DOUBLE LEFT ON THE GUM TREE ROAD AND THE
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U-TURN A ABILITY THAT YOU ARE DEPICTING MAY BOTH BE REQUIRED WOULD DESIRABLE BE BOTH BE REQUIRED TO SERVE THAT RELOCATED DEMAND. I THINK THAT THE U-TURN LANE WOULD BY AND LARGE SERVE THE EXISTING LEFT TURN DEMAND ON WILD HORSE ROAD WHEREBY THE LEFT TURN DEMAND SQUIRE POPE ROAD WOULD EFFECTIVELY MOVE DOWN TO GUMTREE ROAD.I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE SHIFT IN OUR TRAFFIC IN A SCENARIO LIKE THIS IS WE'RE GETTING A BETTER TRAFFIC CONDITION AT SQUIRE POPE AND SPANISH WHALES WELL WE'RE MAKING A WORSE CONDITION THAT. AND I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE. I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE U-TURN BULL BOUT THAT I SAW THERE JUST OFF I WENT FROM THE CRAZY CRAB RESTAURANT THE THE TOWN ON PROPERTY WONDERING PHILIP, IF YOU HAD ANY THOUGHTS ON AS TO HOW THAT WOULD OPERATE.
THAT WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO BEEF SOME TYPE OF TO WAIT. I MEAN TO FACE SIGNAL AROUND THIS, JEFF, THAT THE OFF ISLAND VEHICLES WOULD NOT NEED TO STOP BUT YOU WOULD HAVE ONE PHASE REALLY ON ISLAND VEHICLES WOULD STOP THERE. YES.
JED WORKED REALLY WELL. YEAH, YOU'RE CORRECT BOTH IN AND KIND OF LOOK AT THOSE HIGH LEVEL BOTH OF THOSE U-TURN. WILL WE'LL NEED A SIGNAL TO STOP THE MAIN LINE.
US 278 TRAFFIC. OTHERWISE THERE'S REALLY NO GAPS FOR THEM TO TO MAKE THAT U-TURN AND COME BACK AROUND. SO IT WOULD IT WOULD BE LIKE YOU SAID TWO PHASE SIGNAL JUST TO STOP TO 78 AND THEN LET THE U TURNING TRAFFIC GO TO IF THIS WAS DONE IN THE EXISTING FOUR LANE SECTION RIGHT NOW AND THEN IMPROVE THE FREE FLOW SO THEY IMPROVE THE CAPACITY WHICH ALSO IMPROVE SAFETY. WE STILL HAVE CONDITIONS THAT THE MOBILE AND GUMTREE THAT POTENTIALLY ARE GOING TO BE WORSE OFF THIS CONDITION JUST MASSIVE CRASH OUT HERE.
YEAH. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SAFETY BUT WE SEEM TO BE THE INFERENCES THAT WE ONLY TALK ABOUT SAFETY FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS FOR DRIVING.
SO YOU HAVE BUSINESSES, RESIDENCES AND STONEY COMMUNITY AS WELL.
SO WHAT ABOUT SAFETY FOR THOSE FOLKS WHO NEED TO GET TO THOSE BUSINESSES AS WELL AS THOSE SAFETY FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO RESIDE STILL IN THE AREA? WE SEEM TO BE CONCENTRATING ALL OF ON THE WHERE AN ACCIDENT BUT I'M MORE INTERESTED IN ACCESS TO THOSE OCCUPANTS OF THE ESTONIAN COMMUNITY, TO RESIDENTS AND THE BUSINESSES IN THOSE DISTRICTS.
WHEN YOU SELL YOUR SCENARIO, IF YOU PUT THIS ON MY SIDE, THE RESIDENTS SAFETY AND THE DESTINY AND SAFETY AND THE BUSINESS ACCESS SAFETY IT WOULD LEAD ITSELF MORE TOWARDS A CONTROL FLOW OF TRAFFIC THROUGH THIS SECTION MORE SO LIKE THE THE SIGNAL ACTION AND SOME FORM OF SIGNAL AND SOME TYPE OF CONTROL MECHANISM VERSUS JUST THE FREE FLOW OF .
RIGHT. YOU'RE SAYING EXACTLY. HERBERT HERBERT LEADING MAN ON TO THAT. I THINK THE SAME ARGUMENT COULD BE MADE FOR JENKINS ISLAND RIGHT NOW. I MEAN TEN YEARS AGO WE LOOKED AT SOLUTIONS TO IMPROVE SAFETY ON JENKINS ISLAND. WE LOOKED AT A FRONTAGE ROAD THAT WOULD GO UNDER THE BRIDGES AND COME BACK AROUND ON BLUE HERON AND POINT ROAD WHICH BY THE WAY UNDER MOST OF THE SCENARIOS OF SCADA OKATIE WE ELIMINATE THAT ROAD WHICH IS GOING TO BE VERY PROBLEMATIC WHEN WE GET TO SIX LANES. IT'S JUST IT I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO WORK.
BUT THE REASON THAT WE BACKED OFF OF THAT AND PHILIP IS AWARE OF SOME OF THIS BECAUSE HDR WAS INVOLVED WE WENT TO THE SUPER STREET CONCEPT BECAUSE IT WAS LESS COSTLY.
WE COULD DO IT. I THINK THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WAS ALLOCATED FROM THE COUNTY TO OUR TRAFFIC COMMITTEE WAS LIKE TEN POINT EIGHT MALE WHEREAS DOING A FRONTAGE ROAD FROM ALL THE WAY DOWN FROM JENKINS ROAD DOWN TO BLUE HERON POINT UP UNDER THE BRIDGES WAS SUBSTANTIALLY MORE THAN THAT. REMEMBER THE FIGURE WAS TWENTY FOUR.
PHILIP YOU MAY REMEMBER 20 TO 24 MILLION. >> THERE WAS A LOT OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS AS WELL. NOW THERE WAS THERE WAS ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AS WELL. THERE WAS THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS.
THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. AND SO WE BACKED OFF. BUT IF IF WE ARE THINKING FOR JENKINS ISLAND FOR FOR THOSE THREE COMMUNITIES ON JENKINS ISLAND, IF WE CONTINUE TO THINK
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ABOUT SIX LANES, THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SUBSTANTIAL SAFETY ISSUES RESOLVED THAT CURRENTLY I DON'T SEE BEING RESOLVED. AND QUITE FRANKLY, IF WE STICK WITH OUR CURRENT FOUR LANES AND CAN DO THE FRONTAGE ROAD AND MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO TWO BLUE HAIR AND POINT ROAD THAT THAT ELIMINATES ALL THAT TRAFFIC IN AND OUT IN IN WE TALK ABOUT ONE HOUR A DAY OF HEAVY TRAFFIC IN THE MORNING IN THE EVENINGS. BUT I ASSURE YOU AS SOMEONE WHO IS INTERACTING WITH THAT TRAFFIC EVERY DAY, IT'S MORE THAN ONE HOUR.I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TWO HOURS OR TWO AND A HALF HOURS BUT THAT TRAFFIC BECOMES BUMPER TO BUMPER VERY EARLY AND ON SOME DAYS CONTINUES AS LATE AS TEN O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING 10 O'CLOCK AND SOMETIMES EVEN LATER DEPENDING ON WEATHER AND OTHER CONDITIONS.
BUT IN A NEW IN IF YOU PUSH ALL THAT ASIDE THEN I JUST SAID THE CONSTRUCTION PROGRAM OF THREE TO FIVE YEARS THE IMPACT ON THOSE RESIDENTS IS GOING TO BE UNBELIEVABLE.
I MEAN THAT THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH ROOM IN THERE TO DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITHOUT SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTING PEOPLES OF THE EGRESS ACCESS TO THOSE THREE COMMUNITIES.
AND YOU KNOW, I JUST THROW THAT OUT BECAUSE I AGREE WITH WITH HERBERT ON THAT POINT LIKE A QUESTION FOR YOU. BUT FIRST A COMMENT THAT I DON'T GET IT EVERY DAY BUT IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY DAY I GET DOWN OR ANYTIME I GET A BLUFFTON HILTON HEAD WITH TALENT THIS WEEK INMING TO SYDNEY WHETHER IS WHETHER IT'S BUMPER TO BUMPER OR NOT IS ONE THING.
BUT TRYING TO GET OUT OF ACCESS ROAD ON TO SYDNEY ANYWHERE FROM BLUFFTON TO HILTON HEAD IS REGARDLESS WHERE YOU ARE. BUT ANYWAY, I CAN I CAN I JUST RAISE ONE POINT, RICHARD,
BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS HELPFUL . >> WHAT WHAT WE'VE SEEN TODAY AND I JUST WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT THE SCENARIOS YOU KNOW, FIVE FIVE A SIX SIX SAY WHERE THE QUARTER IS MOVING NORTH WE KEEP ON TRYING TO SOLVE THESE INTERSECTION ISSUES. JENKINS IRELAND KEEPS ON COMING UP AND I THINK THEY'RE YOU KNOW, I LIKE THE IDEA LIKE HEY, WHAT CAN WE DO HERE? AND SQUIRE POPE AND SPANISH WELLS. AND YEAH, THERE MIGHT BE IMPACTS DOWN A GUMTREE BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S POSSIBLE THAT SOME OF THIS FLOW OF TRAFFIC MIGHT GET PUSHED DOWN TO A GRADE SEPARATED INTERSECTION ON JENKINS ISLAND AND YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY SOLVE PROBLEMS THAT ARE OCCURRING IN STONEY AND JENKINS WITH MOVING THE CORRIDOR NORTH LIKE THOSE SCENARIOS ARE ALTERNATIVES. I BELIEVE IT'S FIVE, FIVE, SIX, SIX, EIGHT.
SO I GOT TO JUMP OFF THIS CALL. APPRECIATE THE TIME TODAY. BUT I'LL JUST I WANT TO LEAVE WITH THAT THAT I REALLY I WANT TO SEE THAT I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO GET LOOKED AT IN MORE DETAIL. I THINK LOOKING DEFINITELY AT THAT AS ONE ACR AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO LOOK JOHN IS IS WAS FIVE OR SIX WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? REALISTICALLY I KNOW THEY'VE GOT DROPPED PRETTY EARLY ON THAT MAYBE MAYBE TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT JERRY PASTOR. REAL QUICK QUESTION. PHILIP IN LOOK AT THE INDEPENDENT REVIEW REPORT, WHAT IS ACCURATE NAME? KATE EMC OF ACQUIRED POPE.
WHAT IS KAYYEM SAID? WHAT IS IT? I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER AT THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT A TRAFFIC TERM THAT THAT IS A FILE THAT ENDS UP INTO GOOGLE EARTH.
SO IT'S A IT'S A DRAWING THAT YOU CAN OPEN UP INTO THE SOFTWARE GOOGLE EARTH.
OK. AND THEN LIKE SOME SHARE THAT DESIGN THERE I THOUGHT IT WAS NOT ELSE. OK. THANK I FROM TO JERRY.
I WOULD LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SAFETY. WHAT WE KIND IDEAS ON THAT.
WELL HOLD ON JUST THAT. LET'S SEE. DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? WELL, MAYBE PHILIP'S GOING TO ADDRESS IT HERE BUT MY COMMENT WAS IS THERE I KNOW IT'S FAIRLY SUBJECTIVE BUT IS THERE A WAY TO LOOK AT EACH OF THESE AS WE LOOK AT THESE ALTERNATIVES INCLUDING THE BASE CASE AND SAY JUST LIKE YOU HAVE A LEVEL OF SERVICE ON ON TRAFFIC, IS THERE A SAFETY MEASURE? SO IN OTHER WORDS, THIS THIS ONE WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW FREE FLOW OF TRAFFIC FOR INSTANCE IS BETTER BUT A SAFETY ISSUE PEDESTRIANS JUST MUCH TO STICK WITH PEDESTRIANS AND STONEY CAN'T GET ACROSS THE ROAD. SO ARE THERE EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT BE SUBJECTIVE. IS THERE A WAY HDR FOR YOU TO PHILIP OR JEFF TO LOOK AT THESE ALTERNATIVES BAY AND ARE THEY SAFER? IS ONE ALTERNATIVE SAFER? YOU KNOW, IS IT A LEVEL B AND SAFETY OR WHATEVER IS NOT A POSSIBILITY FOR POOR RESIDENTS
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,NOT JUST BRIAN. RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A.I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR PEDESTRIANS BUT WE WEREN'T LOOKING AT I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE BROUGHT UP BEFORE WITH THE TWO FACED SIGNALS AT LEAST YOU USED TO HAVE A SIGNAL WHERE PEDESTRIANS CAN CROSS THE ROAD AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE A COUPLE QUICK. SO THESE ARE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, INTERSECTIONS HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN BUILT AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S LINKED TO TOOTHACHE, YOU KNOW THIS TWO PHASE SIGNAL. YES. SO YOU HAVE THE LEFT TURNS COMING OFF OF THE OFF THE MAIN ROAD ONTO THE SIDE ROAD LIKE THAT HERE AND THERE.
BUT YOU CAN SEE YOU CAN'T TURN LEFT FROM A SIDE ROAD ONTO THE MAINLINE THERE.
SO YOU HAVE YOU HAVE A PEDESTRIAN AREA WHERE YOU CROSS YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A REFUGE THERE AND THEN YOU CROSS AGAIN. THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT. SO THIS ONE IS A LITTLE BIT OUT OF THE ORDINARY AND DOESN'T HAPPEN QUITE AS OFTEN. BUT I THINK WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS ON THIS JOB WHERE YOU HAVE LEFT TURNS FROM THE SIDE ROAD THEY COME ONTO TO 78 THAT IS GOING TO KEEP IT. THIS IS THE MAIN ROAD. BUT THEN YOU CANNOT TAKE A LEFT OFF. SO AGAIN, YOU HAVE A MEDIAN REFUGE IN A CROSSWALK.
THE SIGNAL ACTUALLY WILL ALLOW PEDESTRIANS TO CROSS AT THAT TIME WHERE THERE'S NO CONFLICTING TRAFFIC. SO TALKING TO SEVERAL PEOPLE AT HDR AND SOME OTHER PLACES I THINK THIS HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE ROAD. SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING DOWN A ROAD YOU KNOW A TYPICAL FIVE LANE ROAD WITH YOU KNOW, THE SIDEWALK IS RIGHT BEHIND THE CURB AND THERE'S REALLY NOTHING OUT THERE WHERE KNOW PEOPLE JUST SEEM CRUISE ALONG AS FAST AS THEY CAN AS OPPOSED TO IF YOU HAVE A ROAD WITH A LANDSCAPE MEDIAN YOU PUSH BACK THE SIDEWALKS AND THE MULTI USE PATH BACK BEHIND THE CURB YOU KNOW, FIVE FEET TEN FEET, WHATEVER THAT YOU CAN HAVE SOME LOW LYING LANDSCAPING IN THAT AREA IF YOU CAN BLIGHT THE AREA, YOU KNOW, CROSSWALK LIGHTING OR STREET LIGHTING IN THE AREA YOU CAN PAINT THE CROSSWALKS AND HILTON HEAD DOES THAT AND SOME OF THE SIDE ROADS WHERE YOU PAINT THE CROSSWALKS ALL THESE THINGS TO INDICATE TO THE DRIVERS THAT THEY'RE YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A HIGH SPEED AREA. THIS IS AN AREA WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAVE PEDESTRIANS CROSSING THE ROAD. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LANDSCAPED AREA. THIS IS THIS IS MORE OF A BOULEVARD TYPE AREA.
NOT AN INTERSTATE. AND I KNOW THAT THE TOWN IS LOOKING AT BRINGING ON A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT TO LOOK AT THIS PROJECT. SO I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL THERE. BUT FROM WHAT WE HAVE WHAT WE'VE SEEN AND SOME OTHER FOLKS TO TALK ABOUT, IF YOU CAN CHANGE THE LOOK AND THE CHARACTER AND IF YOU CAN MAKE SIGN LIGHT ON AND YOU KNOW, MAKE DIFFERENT COLORS OF DIFFERENT THINGS, YOU REALLY CAN BRING A FOCUS TO TO THE PEDESTRIANS THAT ARE IN THE AREA EITHER PARALLEL TO THE ROAD OR CROSSING THE ROAD AND I THINK THAT HELPS SUBSTANTIALLY. I WOULD PUT IT WITH VEHICLES GOING DOWN AND MAKING NOTICED THAT THERE'S PEDESTRIANS CROSSING AT THOSE LOCATIONS.
IT CAN GO BACK TO THAT ON THE I'M SORRY. YEAH.
YEAH THAT ONE I'VE NEVER SEEN A CROSSING LIKE THIS BEFORE AGAIN I'M NOT A FULLY TRAFFIC GUY INVOLVED WITH TRANSPORTATION BUT NOT YET. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TO FERRY SIGNALS IN THAT KIND RIGHT NOW. SO DOES NOT MEAN THIS IS I MEAN THAT'S PRETTY NEAT HOW IT IS FUNCTIONING SO IT'S BACILLUS THE TRAFFIC WITH LESS DAISIES BUT ALSO ACCOMMODATING THE PEDESTRIAN AND EVEN THIS IS A CONCRETE MEDIAN THE WHOLE LAY IN THE MEDIAN RENT NEEDS TO FIT FOR THE THEME AND HILTON HEAD AS YOU MENTIONED THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT COULD REALLY DRESS THAT UP AND AND MAKE IT A PROMINENT FEATURE VERSUS JUST A BIG UGLY CONCRETE AND IN THE MIDDLE. THAT'S ME, RIGHT?
>> SO THIS IS ACTUALLY THERE AND FOR SHELTER CURVE FOR INSTANCE, THIS ISLAND WHERE YOU HAVE YOU KNOW, THE PAINTED CROSSWALKS YOU'VE GOT LANDSCAPING IN THIS AND YOU JUST DON'T KNOW THE ROAD. BUT AGAIN YOU SORT BRING ATTENTION TO IT INSTEAD JUST YOU KNOW, THE CONCRETE ISLAND OUT THERE THAT WELL THE SAFE IF YOU'RE JUST STANDING THERE YOU GET TO SHELTER THE SO AND ZOOM OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT, GET THE CORRECT ME.
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THIS TRAFFIC ON THE LEFT WEST BOUND TRAFFIC THAT'S FREE FLOW OR IS IT EVER STOPPED OVER HERE? YES, IT'S STOP. THERE'S A THERE'S A CROSSWALK RIGHT THERE AND IT TURNS VISIBLE. WHAT TYPE OF HOW MANY FACES WOULD THIS BE? ARE YOU AWARE I NOTICED IT IN YOUR PROJECT BUT ACTUALLY WE DID. WE DID. WE DID MOST OF THIS.JEFF AND DARREN, DO YOU ROUNDING PHASES THIS THREE? >> IT'S IT'S A THREE PHASE SIGNAL PHASE. YES. SO EVEN THAT IN ITSELF IS IT IS BETTER THAN A EIGHT PHASE THEY THAT WE HAVE SPANISH WHEELS OR HOW MANY THERE ARE EXISTING.
YEAH AND CAN FILL A FEW. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THE POINT THAT PEDESTRIAN SAFETY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEDESTRIAN AND BY CYCLIST SAFETY IN STONY A LARGE PART OF IMPROVING SAFETY IN THAT AREA. AND MY ASSESSMENT IS PROVIDING ADEQUATE FACILITIES THAT GENERATE THAT ARE ATTRACTIVE ENOUGH AND GENERATE ENOUGH DEMAND SO THAT IT IS IMMEDIATELY PERCEIVED BY THE MOTORIST THAT HEY WE HAVE PEDESTRIAN BICYCLE ACTIVITY IN THIS AREA THAT WE HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO WITH THE FACILITIES THAT ARE THERE NOW WITH THE REALLY NARROW SIDEWALKS AND LIMITED CROSSING OPPORTUNITIES.
IT JUST IT JUST DOESN'T LEND ITSELF TO ACCOMMODATING PEDESTRIAN DEMANDS SAFELY AND ENCOURAGING MODES OF TRANSPORTATION THAT AREN'T MOTORIZED TRAVEL A LARGE PART OF IMPROVING SAFETY IN THE COMMUNITY IS TO UPGRADE THE FACILITIES TO A DEGREE THAT THE USERS IN THE AREA ARE GOING TO FEEL SAFE USING THOSE FACILITIES.
SO DID YOU GET A MECHANIC AGAIN LIKE. SO THERE IS WHAT YOU SAID, DAN, IF WE THINK ABOUT THIS WHOLE CORRIDOR PROJECT I FULLY EXPECT THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE INCREASED PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLIST TRAFFIC ALONG THIS WHOLE STRETCH BECAUSE WE'RE ABOUT TO MAKE A AWESOME LOOKING BRIDGE AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PATHWAY THAT CONNECTS BLUFFTON PARKWAY ALL THE WAY TO TO THE TO WHERE THE PARKWAY WHERE THE PATHWAY STARTS ON HILTON HEAD BY VISION THERE'D BE A LOT MORE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE TRAFFIC.
AND TO MEET HER I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE LOOKING AT THE SCREEN HERE BUT I AGREE WITH YOU, DARYN. THIS PRESENTS ITSELF AS SAFER REGARDLESS WHETHER THERE'S FOUR LANES OR SIX LANES JUST BECAUSE IT'S SAYING HEY, THIS BECKONS YOUR ATTENTION THAT THERE'S PEDESTRIAN ACTION SOMEWHERE WE GO IF WE HAVE A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT IT WILL GENERATE SIGNIFICANTLY ADDITIONAL PEDESTRIAN BICYCLE DEMANDS HEARD.
WHAT IS THIS DEVICE SEEING? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. I BETTER THAN THE CURRENT SITUATION IN TERMS OF THOSE WHO ARE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA AS WELL AS THOSE OF US WHO HAVE BECAUSE THE AREA SO WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS THE SOMETHING MEANINGFUL FOR US TO MAKE PRESENTATION TO D.A. THAT THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SAFE INTERSECTION APPROACH, A VISUAL WOULD CERTAINLY DIGESTIBLE TO THE RESIDENTS HERE.
AND JUST TO DO A QUICK THOUGHT. HAS IT ANY TIME ANY ANYONE LOOK AT AN ELEVATED PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK EXPECT FOR ESPECIALLY US TO 78? I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT.
DARYN, DO YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED IN THE PAST? THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES ASSOCIATED WITH ATTEMPTING TO DEVELOP A GRAVE SEPARATED CROSSING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DUE TO THE SPACE REQUIREMENTS.
THE IMPACT AESTHETICS NOT WITHSTANDING. BUT I THINK THAT THAT THE KEY TO THE SUCCESS OF THE PROJECT IS A MORE ACCOMMODATING FEEL IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO SAFELY ACCOMMODATE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE MOVEMENTS. THAT INCLUDES ENHANCED FACILITIES WIDER FACILITIES, IMPROVED STAGING AREAS, LANDSCAPE TO AFFORD MORE OF A
NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL THAT TENDS TO CALM TRAFFIC. >> MIKE I WOULD SAY AGAIN I'M NOT TRAFFIC YOU ARE SPECIALIST BUT I WOULD SAY THAT EVERYWHERE I'VE SEEN A OVERHEAD PEDESTRIAN
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BRIDGE IT'S A A MAJOR MOVEMENT. SO THERE'S ONE IN COLUMBIA THERE AT BOSTON STREET AN AND THERE'S ONE THAT I THINK ORANGEBURG AND SOUTH CAROLINA STATE IS MADE WELL INTO THEIR STADIUM. SO IT'S LIKE WHERE THERE'S A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF CROSSING IS WHERE I'VE SEEN THEM TAKE PLACE . YEAH.THE CHALLENGE IS IN DEVELOPING THOSE WHERE YOU HAVE FAIRLY FLAT GRADES AND AND LAND THAT'S FLAT. IS THIS HOW DO YOU GRADE SO SEPARATED AND MAKE THE GRADE SEPARATION ATTRACTIVE AND CONVENIENT ENOUGH THAT IT IS SEEN AS BEING A UNATTRACTIVE ALTERNATE ROUTE TO SIMPLY TRYING TO AWAIT A GAP IN TRAFFIC AND RUN ACROSS THE ROAD? OFTENTIMES IT'S IN ORDER TO MEET A D.A. REQUIREMENTS YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE FAIRLY LENGTHY ACCESS RAMPS AND YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE PHYSICAL BARRICADES THAT ACTUALLY PREVENT THAT KIND OF FORCE FOLKS TO USE THE GRADE SEPARATION AS OPPOSED TO JUST TRYING TO SELECT A GAP IN TRAFFIC AND CROSS THE ROAD AT GRADE 90.
CAN YOU SEE THE SCREENING? ARE YOU JUST ON THE PHONE? NO, I'M ON THE SCREEN WHEN I WAS HERE. WELL, IN SOMETHING LIKE THIS LOOK AT WHEN THE HARBOR BRIDGE IN CANTON DOES THIS BILL SAFER LIKE A SAFER CONDITION THAN THERE? WELL, YOU KNOW, GERARD, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE OF THIS, BUT THE NUMBER OF YEARS AGO WE WERE LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF ALTERNATIVES AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS DISCUSSED WITH THE CURRENT ROAD NOT WITH SIX LANES BUT WITH THE CURRENT ROAD THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT DEVELOPING POTENTIAL FOR AN ELEVATED PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK FOR BICYCLES AS WELL THAT WOULD FLOW INTO THE BIKE PATH THERE. I UNDERSTAND IT'S YOU KNOW, THERE EVERYTHING HAS GOT, YOU KNOW, A DOWNSIDE BUT IN I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH VOLUME WE'RE TALKING BUT IF IF THE BIKE PANTS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, JARED IS IS GOING TO, YOU KNOW, FLOW ALL THE WAY FROM BLUFFTON PARKWAY DOWN. YES. MAYBE IT'S SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH TO WHERE IT WOULD BE JUSTIFIED BUT I DON'T KNOW. BUT WE WE DID LOOK AT IT AND TALKED ABOUT IT A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO. I THINK THAT WE CAN PUT AS A AS A NOTE AND MAKE MENTIONED THE T TO HAVE THEM FURTHER DEVELOP IF WHAT THEY EXPECTED TRAFFIC COUNTS WOULD BE AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO AS A COUNTY.
DO WE HAVE A TRAFFIC COUNT FOR PEDESTRIANS AND MAYBE WE CAN ASSIST THE OKATIE IN COLLECTING SOME PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC DATA? AS FAR AS BLUFFTON PARKWAY AT WHERE THE WHERE THE ATHLETE ENDS OR JUST BEFORE END AND MAYBE DO THE SAME THING ON HILTON HEAD WHERE THE PATHWAY ENDS IN THE SIDEWALK. WELL THOSE KIND OF NUMBERS ARE HELP A LOT WITH THE EXPECTATION OF PODESTA TRAFFIC COUNT TO SEE IF THAT WOULD JUSTIFY OVERHEAD STRUCTURE.
NOT MY BACK. >> I JUST FEEL THAT SEEING THIS AND AND THE THE PICTURES BEFORE PHILLIP TO ME THOSE THEY SEEM LIKE MAJOR SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS FROM A PEDESTRIAN ACCESS JUST VISUALLY SEEM LIKE THAT. SO I GUESS YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT.
THAT'S A TYPICAL DISTANCE AWAY FOR A MULTI-YEAR PATH ON THE ISLAND.
I MEAN IT'S PROBABLY EIGHT TO 10 FEET AWAY FROM THE ROAD. YEAH.
I DON'T THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LIKE WALKING ON THE SIDEWALK RIGHT NEXT TO THE CURB AND I THINK THE PARTY IS RECOGNIZING THAT WITH YOUR NEW DIRECTIVES WITH PEDESTRIANS.
YEAH. KEEPING THAT SEPARATE KIND OF AWAY SEEMS KIND OF LOW LANDSCAPING THROUGH THAT AREA. AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE I THINK THAT WOULD BE A LOT SAFER AND BRING ATTENTION TO IT AS WELL. AND PHILIP, I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER MEANS WE TALKED ABOUT OR MAYBE WE SAW ONE OF THE MITIGATION MEMBERS NICK WAS FROM WHEN THE OTHER THE OTHER GAL FROM STONEY WAS ON THE PHONE TALKED ABOUT THE COORDINATED AND D.A. I THINK WAS IT LOOKING AT SOME MITIGATION ALREADY FOR THE STARTING COMMUNITY, ONE OF WHICH WAS INCLUDING THE I THINK IT INCLUDED SOME LIGHTING ALONG THE PATH AS WELL.
I'M NOT MISTAKEN. THE THAT ALL WOULD HELP WITH CERTAINLY SOME OF THIS AND OTHER HIGH VISIBILITY CROSSWALKS, THINGS LIKE THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU PUT A RECOMMENDATION IN IN THE MEMO FOR THAT I THINK MAKE ITS WAY AS FAR AS JENKINS ISLAND IDEA.
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I THINK IF IT'S SET UP CORRECTLY YOU COULD PROBABLY PUT A MULTI-YEAR PATH BY CROSSING RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE NEW BRIDGE DEPENDING ON HOW THAT HELP WAS ACTUALLY SET UP CORRECTLY INSTEAD OF , YOU KNOW, OVER EXISTING ROAD YOU COULD GO UNDER 278.YEAH. YEAH. AND IT MIGHT WORK PRETTY WELL.
YEAH. ALL RIGHT. >> ANY I MEAN ANY OTHER IDEAS.
MIKE OR HER AS FAR AS SAFETY OR REASON AND I DIDN'T THINK YOU USED IT.
YOU KNOW THESE SAFETY THINGS FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE I CAN'T SEE ANYBODY SO I CAN STOP SHARING HERE FOR A MINUTE. WELL, I DON'T SEE A REASON SHE GOT DOWN.
WELL, SO WE THOUGHT ABOUT I GUESS LET'S RECAP MAYBE SOME ALTERNATIVES TO GIVE HDR SOME SOME CLEAR DIRECTION FOR CONSIDERATION AND SO BEFORE JOHN THAT JOHN WANTED US TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT FIVE OR FAMILY ONE OF THOSE NORTHERN SECTION OR SIX.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT'S AN ALTERNATIVE THAT WE AS HDR TO LOOK AT CLOSER.
I WOULD SAY THE TWO OPTIONS THAT SHE PRESENTED TO US TODAY THAT HE INITIATED MAYBE FURTHER FURTHER EVALUATION OF THOSE AND JERRY, WE ALSO I THINK WAS THE LAST TIME WE SHOWED ADOPTION WITH TWO PHASE SIGNALS THERE. WE'D LIKE TO INCLUDE THAT THAT DAY.
I WAS GOING I THINK WE SHOWED THE LAST TIME TO SAY SIGNAL OPTIONS IN THE BACKED UP TO REESE'S INITIAL POINT THE THE BASELINE. AND AS DESCRIBED WITH JUST THE REPLACED THE BRIDGE AND TWEAKING SOME SIGNALS. YES.
AND I THINK SINCE YOU JUST MENTIONED THE THE TWO PHASE SIGNAL OPTION ALTERNATE AGAIN LET ME OPINE. YOU SHOWED A PAIR OF AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS, ONE THAT MAINTAINED INGRESS LEFTS FROM THE MAIN STREET BUT NOT EGRESS LAUGHS.
AND THEN YOU SHOWED A SECOND ALTERNATE THAT SHOWED MAINTAINING EGRESS LEFTS BUT NOT INGRESS LAUGHS. I JUST WANTED TO ADD AT SPAIN AS WELL AS BRITISH THERE'S BEEN AN AWFUL LOT OF DEVELOPMENT ALONG SPANISH WELLS ROAD IN RECENT YEARS AND THE FIRE AND LEFT TURN ON THE SPANISH WELLS ROAD IS IS VERY HEAVY BUT JUST UPSTREAM THE CROSS ISLAND AFFORDS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RELOCATE THAT LEFT TURN DEMAND ONTO THE CROSS ISLAND WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE TOLL. AND I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE BETTER ACCEPTED BY THE RESIDENTS OR THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE SERVED BY SPANISH WELLS ROAD THEN ELIMINATING THE EGRESS LEFT TURN FROM SPANISH WELLS ROAD ONTO OFF ISLAND PARKWAY.
I THINK GENERALLY SPEAKING AS FAR AS THE ALL FINAL WHEN THE MAN THAT WANTS TO TURN ON THE SPANISH WELLS ROAD YOU MAY BE SUCCESSFUL IN RELOCATING THAT DEMAND ONE TO THE CROSS PARKWAY AND SEND HIM IN SENDING THEM IN THE BACK DOOR SO TO SPEAK. BUT WHEN THEY WANT TO LEAVE THOSE RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND HEAD OFF IRELAND IT JUST IMPRESSES ME AS BEING PERHAPS INORDINATELY CIRCUITOUS TO TRY TO SEND THEM SOUTHWARD TO GET ON THE CROSS ISLAND PARKWAY.
YEAH, I THINK WE REALLY KEEP THAT LEFT TURN OUT OF SPANISH BELLS AND NOT ALLOW LEFT AND I MEAN AGAIN IF YOU TURN LEFT ONTO SPANISH WELLS FROM 278 YOU'RE GOING TO MERGE ACROSS THE CROSS ISLAND TRAFFIC COME ON IN TO SYRIA. SO YOU REALLY WE HAVE AN EMERGING TAKEN A LEFT AND IT'S A REALLY QUICK TURN. SO I THINK MAKING THEM GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AND MAKE A U-TURN OR USING THE CROSS ON ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS MAY BE BETTER THAN TO AGREE WITH THAT. YEAH. JUST JUST TO ADD TO THAT THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE VOLUME SHOWED THAT WE GOT FROM DST AND THEIR PROJECTIONS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE SHOWED THAT LEFT IN ESQUIRE POPE AND THEN SHOWING THE OTHER OPTION WITH THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING WITH THE WITH THE LEFT OUT AT SPANISH WELLS.
AND LIKE YOU SAID POTENTIALLY REMOVING THAT OFF IRELAND LEFT TURN THEN REROUTING THAT SOMEHOW. WELL, I WANTED TO ADD THAT AND I APPRECIATE IT.
>> GERARD, I APOLOGIZE FOR INTERRUPTING. YOU WERE DISCUSSING THE VARIOUS
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ULTIMATES FOR THE YOU KNOW, PART OF THAT AND TO MAKE SURE WE KIND OF GAVE CLEAR DIRECTION TO HDR SO WE CAN SO THEY CAN FINALIZE WHAT THEY ARE WORKING TOWARDS AS A REPORT.SO WHAT I'VE HEARD IS THE OPTIONS FOR THE BASE OPTION THAT REALLY TALKED ABOUT THE FIVE A OPTION THAT JOHN TALKED ABOUT THE TWO OPTIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED TODAY IS ON THE SCREEN AND THEN ALSO THE TWO THEY SAY NO OPTION THAT I TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK AND A LITTLE BIT THIS WEEK WITH THE WITH THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS THROUGH THERE.
SO MAYBE THIS I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS POTENTIAL ALTERNATE TO EXPLORE FURTHER AS FAR AS SAFETY OR EXCUSE ME THE THE MODEL THAT WE THOUGHT ON THAT IN AND THE THE GROWTH RATE AND SUCH MAYBE SOME LOOKING INTO THE 30TH DAY VERSUS THE 40 DAY AND SEE IF THERE IS ANY DIFFERENCE IN THE MODEL FROM THAT FOR GERARD I MENTIONED THE 30 A DAY EARLIER IT'S ACTUALLY SVOD DESIGN STANDARD THAT THEY EMPLOYED WAS THE 30TH HIGHEST VOLUME HOUR OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE TRAFFIC THAN ON DURING PEAK HOURS.
>> THE FORTY FIFTH HIGHEST VOLUME DAY I BELIEVE THAT WHAT THEY EMPLOYED TO AS FAR AS DESIGN VOLUMES IN THAT REGARD IS ACTUALLY A FH STUDY A REQUIREMENT AS FAR AS AS FAR AS A REQUIREMENT THEY GET THE MONEY ON THE PROJECT THERE AND I THINK IT'D STILL BE WORTHWHILE JUST TO RUN THROUGH THAT PROCESS JUST DID THIS AND HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE TO KNOW WHETHER EVEN EVEN IF THEY'RE LESS THAN FEDERAL FUNDS, EVEN IF IT IS IF IT WOULD OR WOULDN'T MEET WHAT NEEDS STANDARDS WOULD BE I THINK THAT THE WORTHWHILE THAN THE WHETHER
WE CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE OR NOT THAT IT MAY BE IRRELEVANT. >> BUT IF IT SAYS TO THAT LOOK, EVEN THOUGH IT PUT A STILL LARGE SIX LANES OR WHATEVER IT WAS, I THINK THAT WE NEEDED
INFORMATION VERY GOOD. >> I MEAN WE JUST WANTED TO CORRECT MY MISTAKE FROM EARLIER WHEN I REFERRED TO THE 30TH HIGHEST DAY IT WAS ACTUALLY THE 30TH HIGHEST VOLUME FOR OUR OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR THAT THAT LCD OKATIE EMPLOYED FOR DESIGN CHECKED AND APPARENTLY THIS IS MIKE NICHOLS OTHER THINGS. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE WE
ARE WITH SPEED LIMIT YET. >> OH, I'M GLAD YOU DID. NOW I WANTED TO ASK THAT YEAH.
THAT QUARTER THAT QUARTER THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE THERE ARE MULTIPLE SPEED LIMITS.
I THINK THE ENTIRE WAY SHOULD BE LIMITED TO 45. I MEAN WE PROBABLY TALKED ABOUT THIS MANY TIMES WITH CDO T. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PART OF THEIR PLAN.
MAYBE HDR KNOWS MORE ABOUT IT THAN I DO. BUT YOU KNOW I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO LEAST EXPLORE LOWERING THE SPEED LIMIT OF FORTY FIVE.
AND THAT IS THAT I SAID THIS WEEK AND I CAME TO THAT. LET BUTTON AND JUST ENJOYING THE BEACH AND EVERYTHING NICE ABOUT THIS WEEKEND. BUT ANYHOW NOTICE THE SPEED LIMIT. SO WHEN YOU COME OFF THE BRIDGE RIGHT THERE I THINK AND THEN AND WHEN THE HARBOR IS 50 AND THEN IT DOESN'T CHANGE OR UNLESS I MISS THE SPEED LIMIT IS DOWN ABOUT IT DIDN'T CHANGE UNTIL YOU GOT INTO BASICALLY THE MIDDLE OF STUDYING KIND OF IN THE WILD HORSE AREA IT CHANGED THE 40 PART IT GOES IT GOES DOWN TO FORTY FIVE AS YOU ENTER THE STONEY COMMUNITY. SO A CRAZY GRAB AREA OR ADD FURTHER.
IT'S IT'S IT'S RIGHT WHERE THE GRASS MEDIAN ENDS PAVED THE PAVED MEDIAN THROUGH STONY BEGINS ACTUALLY IN ADVANCE OF CRAZY HITTING ON IRELAND. SO IN THEORY THE SECOND HALF WHEN I MAKE
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