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CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER A LITTLE LATE, BUT I'M GOING TO CALL IT TO ORDER.UM, FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS, WOULD YOU ALL JOIN ME IN SAYING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE?
I THINK WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DELAY BETWEEN TELEPHONE AND, AND, UH, THE ACTUAL COMPUTER USAGE, BECAUSE I WAS GETTING, I WAS GETTING MULTIPLE DIFFERENCES.
WE'LL DO AS BEST WE CAN, UH, FOR YOUR NOTICE HAS BEEN POSTED, UH,
[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - October 5, 2020]
WE HAVE THE OCTOBER 5TH MINUTES TO APPROVE, BUT ARE THERE ANY, UM, COMMENTS, ADDITIONS, MODIFICATIONS, IF NOT, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? WELL, SOMEONE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
ALL RIGHT, KEVIN, KEVIN, UH, DO I HAVE SECOND? OKAY.
UM, MOTION MADE TO APPROVE IN SECOND, ALL THOSE ANYBODY OPPOSED? OKAY.
UH, THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR OCTOBER 5TH OR SO DONE,
[5. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
WE HAVE AN AGENDA THIS EVENING, UM, AT THIS POINT, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OF, AND WOULD LIKE TO MAKE OKAY IF I JUMP OVER, IS IT CAUSE, AND IF I DIDN'T HEAR YOU SUMMARY REMIND, UH, THOSE, THE POWERS TO BE THAT CONTROL OF THE DEVICE THAT DIDN'T HEAR.[6. WELCOME NEW COMMISSION MEMBER, JIMMIE LAWRENCE JR]
ALL RIGHT.THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS, UM, I WANT TO WELCOME OUR NEW COMMISSIONER, MR. JIMMY LAWRENCE, JR.
UH, JUST COMING ON BOARD, FILLING IN, UM, TAKING THE PLACE OF A MITCH MITCHELL WELCOME, UH, JIMMY, UH, WE'LL GET TO KNOW YOU A LOT BETTER AT SUBSEQUENT MEETINGS AND HOPEFULLY, UH, BE ABLE TO HAVE A DIALOGUE BEFORE, TOO TERRIBLY LONG, BUT TO WELCOME A BOARD.
UM, AS I SAY, JIMMY REPLACES, MITCH MITCHELL AND CONGRATULATIONS TO MICHI AND HIS RESIGNATION WAS TO REFER CITY COUNCIL AND HE WAS ELECTED.
SO WE KNOW HE'LL DO BIG, UH, BIG, UM, GREAT THINGS FOR THE MUNICIPALITY OF BUFORD.
UM, OPEN UP HERE WITH THE CITIZEN COMMENTS, NOT RELATED TO THE TWO ACTIONS WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US.
ARE THERE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE, I GUESS? NO.
ARE YOU CONTROLLING THAT? CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES.
UM, WE WERE ATTEMPTING TO DO A WAITING ROOM FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS, UM, THAT APPARENTLY IT DIDN'T WORK ON.
I'VE NEVER DONE A WAITING ROOM ON WEBEX RATHER THAN ZOOM.
SO IF THERE ARE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS, UM, FROM FOLKS WHO ARE IN THE MEETING, WHICH, UM, YOU ALL RECEIVE A COMPILED LIST OF EMAILS FROM CITIZENS OF CEDAR LAKE, I ALLOWED, I GAVE THEM THE LINK TO JOIN THE WEBEX IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
SO, UM, IF THERE IS ANYONE HERE, GO AHEAD AND UNMUTE YOURSELF AND LET US KNOW YOU'RE HERE AT LEAST.
AND, UH, THINK THAT COASTAL CONSERVATION LEAGUE ALSO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT AS WELL.
IS THAT IN RELATING TO THE TWO ZONING, UM, DECISIONS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE, OR IS IT, THIS IS JUST, I'M LOOKING FOR JUST GENERAL CITIZEN COMMENTS, UNRELATED TO THE TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
IF THERE IS ANYBODY THAT HAS ANY COMMENTS, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR COMMENTS NOT RELATED TO AGENDA.
I ASSUME THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ANY NOAH.
THAT WAS THEIR ONLY, THAT THIS IS THEIR ONLY,
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UM, OUTLET TO GIVE THEM.SO IF THEY'RE NOT SPEAKING UP, THEY'RE OKAY.
WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE COMMENTS ON THE ACTION ITEMS AS WE, AS WE ADDRESS THEM AS WE USUALLY DO.
IF THERE ARE NO CITIZEN COMMENTS OF A GENERAL NATURE, THEN
[8. ZONING MAP AMENDMENT/REZONING REQUEST for 17.92 acres (R600 013 000 00369 0000) at the Intersection of Okatie Highway and Cherry Point Road from T2 Rural to C3 Neighborhood Mixed Use and C4 Community Center Mixed Use Districts; Applicant: Antoine Iskandar, ACH Custom Homes.]
LET'S MOVE INTO THE TWO ACTION ITEMS. UH, THE FIRST ONE UP IS, UM, ZONING MAP AMENDMENT REZONING REQUESTS FOR 17.92 ACRES AT THE INTERSECTION OF OCA HIGHWAY IN CHERRY POINT ROAD FROM T2 T2 WORLD TO C3 NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE AND C4 COMMUNITY CENTER MIXED USE DISTRICT APPLICANT IS ANTWAN KENDER ACH CUSTOM HOMES.UH, WHO'S UP FIRST, IS THAT YOU ROB OR NOAH? WELL, GO AHEAD AND SPEAK.
DID YOU SAY YOU HAD A MAP TO SHARE WITH THE GROUP, DO YOU WANT TO, AT THAT ALONE? OKAY.
THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY CONSISTS OF ALMOST, UH, JUST UNDER 18 ACRES.
IT'S LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF OTE HIGHWAY AND CHERRY POINT ROADS.
AND THIS IS THE, UM, NORTHEAST INTERSECTION.
SO THIS PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY SITUATED BETWEEN, UH, THERE WE GO.
HERE'S A GOOD SITE SITS LOOKING AT BETWEEN THE CURRENT SITE OF OTT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE ELEMENTARY, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOW CALLED MAINLAND BLUFF, I BELIEVE THE NAME OF THE PUD IS OSPREY POINTS.
UM, THOSE TWO PUD COMBINES, UM, HAVE A TOTAL OF 711 DWELLING UNITS.
SO THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF DEVELOPMENT, UM, LOCATED, YOU KNOW, IN THE PIPELINE AND IT'S VERY LOCATION.
IT ACTUALLY, WE ARE ABOUT TO, UM, SEE THIS SECOND PHASE OF MALIN BLUFF AND THE SECOND PHASE OF RIVER OAKS AT OUR, UM, STAFF REVIEW STAFF REVIEW TEAM MEETING THIS WEDNESDAY.
SO A LOT OF ACTIVITY AT THAT LOCATION, BUT THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU AN OVERALL, UM, IDEA OF WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON ONE 70 AND NO CAN SEE.
UM, AS I SAID, THIS IS CURRENT, UM, JUST UNDER 18 ACRES, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED RURAL TEACHING RURAL, AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING FOR THE FRONT PORTION OF THE SITE, APPROXIMATELY SEVEN ACRES TO BE REZONED TO C4 COMMUNITY CENTER MIXED USE, AND THEN THE REMAINDER OF THE SITES CLOSER TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TO BE ZONE C3, NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE.
UM, AND JUST LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL IMPACT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT.
OBVIOUSLY THIS IS JUST A STRAIGHTFORWARD REZONING.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST HAVE TO DO ESTIMATES AS FAR AS THE, YOU KNOW, THE LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD OCCUR THAT ALL THE FRONT PORTION OF THE, THAT IS MORE OF A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT THAT C4, UM, COMMUNITY CENTER MIXED USE.
IT ALLOWS FOR UP TO 10,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT PER ACRE.
SO ROUGHLY WE'D BE LOOKING AT SOMETHING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF IT'S TOTALLY BUILD OUT OF ABOUT 70,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL, THE REAR PORTION OF THE SITE, THE APPLICANT IS EXPRESS INTEREST IN DEVELOPING MULTI-FAMILY, UM, WHICH IN THAT DISTRICT IS CAPPED AT 80 UNITS WITH THE ESTIMATE IS THE BALANCE OF THE SITE WOULD BE ABOUT 25 SINGLE FAMILY UNITS.
SO THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF BASED ON THIS ZONING, THE LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD OCCUR.
UM, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS AT THIS POINT, THIS PROJECT HAS TRIGGERED A TRAFFIC IMPACTS ANALYSIS, UM, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, BASICALLY ANY REZONING THAT HAS POTENTIAL PRODUCING MORE THAN 50 PEAK HOUR TRIPS IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AS PART OF THE REZONING APPLICATION.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO ALLOW AT THIS POINT, UH, JENNIFER B, SHE IS THE ENGINEER ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANTS TO, TO, UH, I GUESS GO OVER HER, UM, TRAFFIC IMPACTS ANALYSIS AND ALSO THE COUNTY, UM, HIRED KIMBERLY HORNS WHO REVIEWED THAT CONSISTENT OFFER SOME THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS FAR AS THE IMPACTS OF, OF TRAFFIC.
SO I'D LIKE TO JENNIFER, IF SHE COULD SPEAK FIRST, CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME? YEAH.
UM, SO I'LL KIND OF GO OVER KIND OF A HIGH LEVEL
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REVIEWING THE TRIAL IF YOU HAVE ANY, UM, IT WAS A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS THAT LOOKED AT THE MAIN INTERSECTION OF ONE 70 AND CHERRY POINT, AS WELL AS THE TWO ACCESS POINTS.UM, THERE WOULD BE A FUTURE TRAFFIC SPEAR STUDIES.
UM, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, THAT WOULD GO INTO MUCH DETAIL AND MAY HAVE LARGER STUDY AREAS, BUT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE ZONING, UM, THAT'S THE STUDY AREA THAT, UM, WE WORKED WITH THE COUNTY ON, ON ESTABLISHING.
AND IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS DURING THIS, FEEL FREE TO, YOU KNOW, STOP ME AND ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS.
BUT, UM, FOR THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, WE LOOKED AT A LITTLE BIT LARGER NUMBER OF SQUARE FOOTAGE IN UNITS THAN WHAT ROB HAS IDENTIFIED.
SO IF ANYTHING, ATTRACTS ANALYSIS IS DEFINITELY ON THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE.
UM, THERE, THERE ARE TWO, CURRENTLY TWO TO THREE PLANNED ACCESS ON A TEARY POINT THERE'S ONE 1100 FEET OF FRONTAGE ON VOLUNTEERING POINTS.
SO THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED, UM, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD AS PART OF THE, THE SITE PLAN REVIEW, BUT WE ASSUME TO BE CONSERVATIVE TO, UM, ACCESS POINTS.
UH, IT COULD BE THREE AS WELL.
UM, THAT WOULD BE WORKED OUT AT A LATER TIME.
UM, BUT WE PERFORMED A TRANSPORTATION REVIEW AND, UM, ALSO OBSERVED APMT, UM, PICK UP AND DROP A PICKUP FROM OTT ELEMENTARY ALONG CHERRY POINT TO, TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE TODAY.
UM, THE ANALYSIS INCLUDED CHURCH GENERATION TRIP DISTRIBUTION, UM, A LEVEL OF SERVICE ANALYSIS AT THE THREE INTERSECTIONS MENTIONED, UM, AND DEVELOPED RECOMMENDATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
UM, ONE THING TO NOTE IS THAT WE DID USE A HISTORIC AT THE INTERSECTION OF CHERRY POINT IN ONE 70, BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GOT THE FULL IMPACT OF THE SCHOOL WHILE IT WAS IN, YOU KNOW, IN MORE OF A REGULAR SESSION AND THEN GREW THAT UP, UM, WHICH IS FOLLOWS THE SOUTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT TRANSPORTATION GUIDELINES FOR DOING TRAFFIC STUDIES DURING COVID.
WE FELT THAT THAT WAS MORE APPROPRIATE THAN COLLECTING, UM, A TRA UH, A TRAFFIC COUNT KIND OF DURING THIS TIME PERIOD WHEN THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL MAY OR MAY NOT BE AT FULL STRENGTH.
UM, THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS.
AND AS I SAID, I CAN GO INTO MORE DETAIL ON THE, THE STEPS THAT WE TOOK TO GET HERE, IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE TO, UM, COMPLETE FULL TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AS THESE STEPS GO FORWARD.
AND IF THE, IF THE DEVELOPMENT GOES FORWARD IN WHAT PHASES THEY SIDE, UM, THERE ARE PREVIOUSLY DETERMINED IMPROVEMENTS RELATED TO THE MALIN BLUFF AND RIVER OAKS PODS THAT, UM, ARE TO BE DONE CHERRY POINT, UM, IN ONE 70, IF THOSE ARE, OR THOSE ARE NOT DONE, THOSE WOULD OBVIOUSLY NEED TO BE COMPLETED.
UM, THEY, WE THERE'LL BE LEFT.
TURN LANES LIKELY NEEDED COMING INTO BOTH OF THE ACCESS POINTS ARE THE ACCESS POINTS FOR THE SITE, UM, ALONG CHERRY POINT, UM, AND THEN COORDINATION WITH THE COUNTY AND THE SCHOOL, UM, AND THE OTHER DEVELOPERS ON, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSING HOW, UM, THE HANDLE, THE SCHOOL ACCESS AND STACKING ON, ON CHERRY POINT, THAT'S, THAT'S AN EXISTING, UM, UH, SITUATION TODAY.
AND SO THAT, THAT WILL NEED TO GET DETERMINED.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, COORDINATION WITH THAT, AS WELL AS, UM, THE CORRIDOR OF, OF
THE, THE, UH, THE NEW MPO HAS DONE A STUDY THAT IS GOING KIND OF THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS WITH THE ADJACENT MUNICIPALITIES TO, UH, DO IMPROVEMENTS THAT MAY NOT BE WIDENING TO ONE 70, BUT ARE, UM, KIND OF CREATING ACCESS MANAGEMENT, SUPER STREET TYPE CONCEPTS LONG ONE 70, AND, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATION IN THAT AS, AS, AS APPROPRIATE, UH, FOR, UH, DEVELOPMENT OF THE SIZE.
UM, AND THAT WOULD BE MORE, YOU KNOW, COORDINATION WITH THE, WITH THE ENTITIES.
AND SO THOSE WERE KIND OF THE, THE KIND OF FIVE BIG, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE TRAFFIC REVIEW AND TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS REVIEWED.
AND SO I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE AND GET INTO MORE DETAILS THAT, UM, ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS, QUESTIONS.
SO, SO JENNIFER, UM, I'M VERY, VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA.
YOU DO KNOW THAT THAT IS, UM, THAT IS A CURVE IN THE ROAD THERE, RIGHT FROM THE, THE STRAIGHTAWAY ENDS AT ABOUT WILLIAMS DRIVE.
AND THEN IT GOES INTO ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, 15, 20 DEGREE TURN TO CHERRY POINT.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY BEEN HERE AT THE RUSH HOUR, THIS IS A DISASTER THERE'S BEEN ACCIDENTS HERE.
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UM, THERE'S NO LIGHT ANYWHERE THOUGH.THE NEAREST LIGHT IS WAY UP, UM, BY THE STORAGE FACILITY UP THERE.
UM, THESE PEOPLE IN THIS SHOPPING CENTER THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR MANY YEARS, I KNOW THAT THEY'RE ON THE JASPER SIDE, BUT THEY'VE BEEN SCREAMING FOR A LIGHT THERE AND THEY'RE FLAT OUT TOLD NO THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE NOT GOING TO PUT ANOTHER LIGHT IN THERE.
I MEAN, I, I THINK WE GOT TO THINK ABOUT THIS IS LIKE A 60 MILE AN HOUR HIGHWAY.
THEY COME FLYING DOWN HERE ALL HOURS OF THE DAY AND NIGHT.
AND IS THIS WHERE WE WANT TO PUT THIS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, OKAY, SO YOU GOT THE SCHOOL OVER THERE.
IT'S KIND OF TUCKED AWAY BACK THERE, BUT, UM, YOU, YOU, YOU, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN HAVE BOTH.
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN HAVE A 60 MILE AN HOUR.
I WEIGH HERE AND HAVE ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT AROUND HERE ALSO.
W WHAT THIS IS GONNA END UP BEING, IF SOMEBODY DECIDES THAT THEY WANT TO DO THIS IS YOU ALMOST GOTTA MAKE IT LIKE TWO 78.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT LIGHTS A LOT MORE LIGHTS IN HERE.
YOU GOT TO SLOW THIS TRAFFIC DOWN.
THAT IS GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON PEOPLE WHO COMMUTE BACK AND FORTH TO WORK.
THERE'S NO SERVICE ROAD ON HERE.
JENNIFER, YOU MENTIONED, UH, PUTTING A LEFT-HAND TURN LANE IN WITH ALL DUE RESPECT.
WHERE WOULD YOU PUT IT THAT THAT WHOLE CENTER MEDIAN WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO BE, UH, TAKEN OUT OF THERE? UH, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC ISSUE.
UM, AND I, IT'S MORE THAN JUST DOING A TRAFFIC STUDY.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST MY 2 CENTS ON THE MATTER.
WELL, IF I CAN OFFER A COUPLE, A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS, UM, THE ACCESS FOR THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE DIRECTLY ON CHERRY POINT AND THAT, THAT WOULD THEN ACCESS THE, THE EXISTING TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT CHERRY POINT.
AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT OTHER, UM, OTHER, OTHER STUDIES AND SOLUTIONS THAT MAY BE, UM, THAT MAYBE MOVE FORWARD WITH IN THE FUTURE IS THAT THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSIONS IN THE PAST ABOUT WIDENING, BUT THE METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION ACTUALLY TOOK ON THIS CORRIDOR.
UM, GOSH, PROBABLY ABOUT A YEAR OR TWO AGO.
AND, UM, PROBABLY PROBABLY ABOUT A YEAR AGO OR SO.
IT'S KIND OF HARD, HARD DURING COVID, UM, EXACTLY WHEN THAT WAS PRE PRE COVID AND, UM, HAS COME UP WITH AN A IT'S ESSENTIALLY IT'S, IT'S ALMOST LIKE ACCESS MANAGEMENT, SO SUPER STREET CONCEPT WHERE THAT GOES ALL THE WAY FROM, UH, TWO 78 UP THROUGH THIS AREA UP THROUGH FOUR 62 AND HAS, UM, DIFFERENT INTERSECTION CONFIGURATIONS LOOKING AT ITEMS SUCH AS, UM, CRASH LOCATION, HIGH CRASH LOCATIONS, WHERE THE VOLUMES ARE AND EVERYTHING.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I DON'T KNOW, ROB, IF YOU WANT TO PASS THAT ON TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD DOCUMENT FOR THEM TO, TO LOOK AT AND, AND SEE.
UM, BUT I GUESS FROM A, FROM A HOLISTIC STANDPOINT, LIKE YOU'RE TALKING, THEY THEY'RE MUCH POLICY AND PLANNING ORGANIZATION HAS STARTED THAT, THAT PROCESS AND HAS A RECOMMENDATION.
I KNOW THAT IT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HEARD COUNTY HAS APPROVED THAT RECOMMENDATION YET, AND ROB MAY BE ABLE TO JUMP IN ON THAT, BUT I KNOW, UM, HARDY VITTLES REVIEWING IT AND JASPER COUNTY INVOLVES A LOT OF DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN A HUNDRED PERCENT SIGNED OFF ON, BUT ROB MIGHT BE ABLE TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE UPDATE ON THAT, BUT, BUT THERE IS A HOLISTIC VIEW LOOKING AT THIS WHOLE COURT OR, UM, IN THE LAST, LAST YEAR OR SO.
I, I I'D LIKE TO INTERJECT HERE BEFORE WE GET TOO FURTHER ON IN THE CONVERSATION.
THAT'S SOMETHING I FORGOT TO DO AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CONVERSATION.
UM, RANDOM STUART HAS RECUSED HIMSELF FROM THE DISCUSSION OF THIS AGENDA ITEM AS HE WAS, HE'S DONE WORK FOR THE, UH, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY.
AND SO HE IS ASKED THAT COULD BE RECUSED FROM THIS CONSIDERATION.
ROB, DID YOU WANT TO RESPOND REGARDING THE CARTER? YES.
UM, AND I BELIEVE IT'S, IS IT KIMBERLY HORN? WHO'S UH, JONATHAN VIDEO COULD ANSWER.
IT'S A, OH, IT'S A CALM, I'M SORRY.
SO, YEAH, TH THE, IN BASICALLY THE LAPSE, WHICH IS OUR METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION FOR TRANSPORTATION AND THERE'S REGION, UM, THEY HIRED A CALM TO DO A STUDY OF THAT CORRIDOR.
AND THE, UH, LAPSE POLICY COMMITTEE IS STILL DEBATING THE, UM, DETAILS OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, BECAUSE THEY REALLY, THROUGH THE RECOMMENDATIONS THEY HAVE FOR THE CORRIDOR REQUIRE THINGS LIKE U TURNS.
AND THERE WERE A LOT OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE WERE KIND OF STRUGGLING WITH.
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AND SO IT HASN'T BEEN EMBRACED BY THE LAST POLICY COMMITTEE YET.SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT IN LIMBO AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE IN THE WORKS, A COMPREHENSIVE VIEW OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS CORRIDOR AND RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT WE HAVEN'T ADOPTED THEM YET AS, AS A, AS A REGION.
SO WE'RE KIND OF IN THIS STATE OF LIMBO, BUT THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT IS NEEDED.
AND I, YOU KNOW, JUST FROM STAFF STANDPOINT, THERE ARE A LOT, LOT OF POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THIS CORRIDOR, THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT WE'LL ADD TO IT, BUT IT IS MUCH OVERSHADOWED BY A LOT OF OTHER POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE CORRIDOR.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF ONE SMALL COG IN A LARGER SET OF DEVELOPMENT THAT IS IMPACT NO TRAFFIC ON ONE 70, JUST TO PROVIDE SOME PERSPECTIVE.
AND IT'S LIKE, I HAVE A COMMENT.
I AGREE WITH KEVIN, BUT I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW A 70,000 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL SPACE.
HAVE YOU TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION HOW MUCH TRAFFIC THAT IS GOING TO ADD AND TURNING OUT OF THERE AND MAYBE GOING ACROSS THE ROAD? UH, I JUST DON'T SEE, UH, YOU KNOW, I SEE THAT AS AN ADDED PROBLEM.
UM, YES, WE DO THE CHURCH GENERATION AND WE ACTUALLY DID IT FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN 70,000.
SO, SO WHAT WE DID IS WE DID IT FOR, UM, ACTUALLY A HUNDRED THOUSAND IN A FEW MORE MULTI FAMILY UNITS.
AND ROB MENTIONED, AND YES, THAT'S ASSIGNED TO THE TRUCK TO THE, THE ROADWAY NETWORK AND WE DO SOMETHING CALLED A BUILD AND A BUILD CONDITION.
AND SO WE LOOK AT IT, WHAT HAPPENS IF THE PROJECT IS NOT BUILT? AND THEN WHAT IS IF THE PROJECT IS BUILDING COMPARE AND THEN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE, UM, WITH THAT TRIP GENERATION.
AND SO YES, THAT WAS CONSIDERED IN THE STUDY.
DO ANY OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE A QUESTION THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO ASK BILL ENGINEERING, UM, SUCCESSFULLY, I'M WONDERING ABOUT THE GROWTH PROJECTION, IT, AT ONE POINT, I THINK IT MAY BE I'M ON PAGE THREE OF JENNIFER, YOUR DOCUMENT 1% GROWTH THAT TEAM VERY LOW.
UM, SO THE GROWTH ON THIS CORRIDOR IS, UM, GROWTH ON THIS CORRIDOR IS BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, PRETTY CONSISTENT OVER THE MANY YEARS FOR SURE.
UM, AND SO WHAT WE FELT WAS APPROPRIATE IS THERE HAS BEEN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ONES, THE, UM, THE, SOME OF THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT STUDY AND ALL THAT HAVE USED LOWER GROWTH RATES, BUT WE FELT THAT THAT 0.5% WAS MORE REFLECTIVE OF WHAT HAS ACTUALLY HAPPENED OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.
AND ALSO, UM, IT'S, IT'S RELATIVELY, UM, ON THE AGGRESSIVE SIDE, BUT, UM, TO, UH, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE PUTT MAYLAND BLUFF IN RIVER OAKS.
UM, IT'S CONSISTENT, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS ASSUMED FOR THAT, UM, AS WELL, WHICH A LITTLE BIT HIGHER GROWTH RATE FOR THE FIRST COUPLE OF YEARS, AND THEN AFTER 2021 DROPPED DOWN A LITTLE BIT, AND THAT HAD BEEN, UM, WELL VETTED OUT WITH THE DEITY AND, UM, BEAVER COUNTY TRAFFIC ENGINEERING STAFF.
SO WE USE THE 5.5 PER YEAR PERCENT GROWTH RATE PER YEAR.
SO WHERE I SEE YOUR SENTENCE, A 1% PER YEAR GROWTH RATE WAS USED FOR THE SIDE STREET BACKGROUND TRAFFIC.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.
WHAT IF THE SCHOOL GROWS? YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IF THAT, SO THOSE ARE THE EXISTING VOLUMES THAT THEY'RE THERE TODAY, AND THAT BARELY APPLIES TO LIKE THE, THE PEARLSTEIN OR, UM, THE CHEERY 40 VOLUMES OR THE ONE 70, ALL THE TURNS, ALL THE TRAFFIC ON ONE 70 AND ALL THE TOURISTS TO, FROM ONE 70, HAVE THE HIGHER, UM, HAVE THE HIGHER GROWTH RATE, UM, IN THE STUDY.
SO THEY, THEY NAMED THE MAIN BELT, THEN THE MAJOR VOLUMES OR GROWTH RATE.
I MEAN, WE WISH WOULDN'T EXPECT TO HAVE, UM, ON SOME OF THE SMALLER RATES, THE GROWTH.
NOW WE DID APPLY ON CHERRY POINT THE PERHAPS ASSOCIATED WITH THE RIVER.
UM, SO THAT, THAT, UM, SHE CAN KIND OF SEE BEHIND OTL MENTORING THAT WAS ADDED TO THAT.
AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, THE TRIPS ASSOCIATED WITH THE MALE AND BLUFF PINE WERE ALL TO THE TRAFFIC IN ADDITION TO THOSE GROWTH RATES.
SO, SO I GUESS ED, MY, UM, TAKEAWAY HERE IS THAT I AGREE WITH KEVIN AND FRANK'S POINT OF VIEW ABOUT THE ONE 70 ISSUES.
I'M COMPLETELY PUZZLED, WHY THERE
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IS NOT AN ISSUE ABOUT A FRONTAGE ROAD OR, UM, I DON'T KNOW, SITE ACCESS OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT OFF OF ONE 70.AND I THINK THERE'S A TREMENDOUS UNDERESTIMATION OF WHAT THEY'RE CALLING SIDE STREET, BACKGROUND TRAFFIC.
UM, I'D LIKE TO WEIGH IN WITH A COMMENT MYSELF.
UM, I LIKE, AND THIS COULD BE EITHER, UM, DEAL ENGINEERING OR THE COUNTY COULD ANSWER THIS IN THE PRE IN THE WRITE-UP THAT THE COUNTY DID.
THEY TALKED ABOUT 70,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND ALSO 80 MULTIPLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS AND 25 SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS IN THE ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE FOR THE COUNTY, UH, BY THE OTHER FIRM.
UH, THEY TALK ABOUT, UM, A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF SHOPPING CENTER AND 250 MIDDLE RISE, MULTI FAMILY UNITS.
WHAT IS THE DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THE TWO REPORTS? I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I THINK, UH, JENNIFER, I MEAN, I THINK THAT SHE USED KIND OF GENERAL ASSUMPTIONS ON THE ZONING THAT THERE ARE SOME RESTRICTIONS, YOU KNOW, THE FLOOR AREA RATIO, UM, LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE FRONT.
AND THEN WE HAVE A LIMIT ON 80 UNITS FOR MULTIFAMILY.
I'M ASSUMING THAT MAYBE WHAT THE CONSULTANT DID WAS JUST USE A STRAIGHT FORWARD DENSITY FIGURE ON THE ACREAGE.
BUT, UM, YOU, SO I, IF ANYTHING, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IS ASSUMING A SLIGHTLY HIGHER INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT THAN WHAT THE ZONING WOULD ALLOW, WHICH IS NOT A BAD THING.
IT'S NOT UNDERESTIMATING WELL, WHICH ONE IS CLOSER.
I MEAN, WE DO, YOU'D HAVE TO FOLLOW THE ZONING.
THE, THE, IF, IF, IF THIS IS REZONED SEVEN ACRES OF C4 COMMUNITY CENTER MIXED USE COULD ONLY YIELD APPROXIMATELY 70,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL, UNLESS THEY CHANGE THE ZONING TO C5, YOU KNOW, THEN, THEN THE FLOOR AREA RATIO GOES UP AND THEY CAN HAVE MORE INTENSE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, WAS THERE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT? AND IT GETS TO THE, UH, NUMBER OF UNITS.
UH, I, I READ THE WORD SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THEN WORKFORCE HOUSING.
UM, IS THERE, IS THERE A PERCENTAGE OF THAT WOULD BE DEDICATED WORKFORCE HOUSING OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HOW WOULD THAT, HOW WOULD THAT ALLOW THE DENSITY TO GROW IF THERE WERE SUCH A DECORATION? WELL, I CAN SPEAK REAL QUICK ON THERE'S.
NO, CURRENTLY THERE IS NO, UM, DENSITY BONUSES ALLOWED IN EITHER OF THESE DISTRICTS.
SO THE ISSUE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S OFFERED OR NOT, IT'S CERTAINLY A GOAL OF THE COUNTY, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE, THE POTENTIAL DENSITY OF THE PROPERTY.
I DO WANT TO REAL QUICK, YOU KNOW, MENTIONED WE HAVE THE, UH, THE ANTWAN IS KANDAR IS HERE, YOU KNOW, REPRESENTING THE, UH, THE REASONING.
I ALSO WANTED, YOU KNOW, JONATHAN GUY IS HERE ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY FROM KIMBERLY HORN, UM, WITH HIS TRAFFIC COMMENTS.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE CAROL CRUTCHFIELD, UH, REPRESENTING THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE THERE FOR EVERYONE.
OLDEST PEOPLE HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK, UH, ROBERT ANTWAN.
I JUST WANT TO SAY I WILL WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND WORKFORCE HOUSING BECAUSE DEFINITELY BLUFFTON NEEDED.
UM, ROB LET'S, WHY DON'T YOU CALL UP THE NEXT PARTY THAT YOU THINK NEEDS TO ADDRESS THIS? OKAY.
IN THE NEW YORK, FROM THE ENGINEERING FIRM, I'D LIKE TO HAVE JONATHAN GUY, IF HE CAN SPEAK NOW, UM, UM, HE, HIS VIEWS ON THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND THAT I THINK ANTWAN SHOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF BEHALF OF THE APPLICANTS.
AND THEN I GUESS, CAROL, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION, MR. CHAIRMAN.
AND I HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT DEPENDING ON HOW YOU WANT TO DO IT.
DO YOU WANT TO ASK A COMMENT OF, OF, UM, BAGEL ENGINEERING? IS THAT WHAT YOUR COMMENTS REGARDING IT? IT COULD BE, OR ROB, UM, HAS, HAS ANYBODY LOOKED AT THE SCHOOL OVER THERE AND THE SCHOOL BUS TRAFFIC, BECAUSE THAT SCHOOL RIGHT NOW IS MAXED OUT.
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AND A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING INTO THESE NEWER DEVELOPMENTS OVER HERE, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE RIGHT THERE, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO ROOM IN THOSE SCHOOLS, THOSE KIDS, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING.UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S PART OF IT.
IT'S PART OF A, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, A MUCH BIGGER ISSUE FOR THE WHOLE COUNTY, WITH ALL THE SCHOOLS THAT I KNOW THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT, AND THERE'S CONSTRUCTION UNDERWAY, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
UM, BUT I, I JUST THINK THAT WE, AS A COUNTY HAVE TO DECIDE, DO WE WANT A 50, 60 MILE AN HOUR HIGHWAY FROM BUFORD TO BLUFFTON THAT FACILITATES PEOPLE GOING TO WORK AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT? OR DO WE WANT A RETAIL, COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL CORRIDOR? CAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE BOTH.
YOU CAN'T HAVE BOTH, YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT 50, 60 MILE AN HOUR HIGHWAY COMING IN THROUGH HERE AND HAVE ALL THOSE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS, SCHOOLS WITH SCHOOL BUSES GOING IN AND OUT TAKING KIDS INTO THE SCHOOL, TAKING KIDS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT TO OTHER SCHOOLS FURTHER AWAY.
UM, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY SERVICE ROAD HERE.
THERE'S NO PLACE TO BUILD ANY TURN LANES HERE.
YOU'D HAVE TO RE CONSTRUCT THAT ROAD, THIS ROOM, BUT THIS ROOM IS IN THE MIDDLE.
UM, I, I JUST THINK THAT THIS IS A BIGGER DECISION THAT THE COUNTY HAS TO MAKE.
THANK YOU, KEVIN, WHY DON'T WE ALLOW THE, UM, THE FOLKS THAT WANTED TO DO THAT ADDRESS, UH, JONATHAN, YOU WERE UP, I THINK NEXT JONATHAN GUY.
CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME OKAY? I HOPE SO.
JUST MAKING SURE YOU NEVER KNOW NOWADAYS.
SO WE WERE ASKED TO TAKE A REVIEW OF THE TRANSPORTATION REVIEW THAT WAS PREPARED BY BILL ENGINEERING.
UM, I WILL SAY THAT IT'S A CONSERVATIVE ANALYSIS.
THIS QUESTION CAME UP EARLIER.
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE, UM, ALLOWED BY ZONING, WHICH WOULD BE THE 70,000 COMMERCIAL AND THE 80 UNITS? UH, THE TRAFFIC ASSESSMENT OR REVIEW THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER LOOKED AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND AT 250 UNITS.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, NOTING THAT YOU WILL HAVE, UH, LESS TRAFFIC THAN PROJECTED FROM THIS TRANSPORTATION REVIEW THAT WAS PERFORMED BY BILL ENGINEERING.
UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS WE ARE IN AGREEMENT THAT THIS IS AN ACCURATE ASSESSMENT OF WHAT WAS PULLED TOGETHER.
IT DOES REPRESENT THE OVERALL IMPACTS ASSOCIATED TO THE ADJACENT NETWORK BASED ON THE PARAMETERS OF THE STUDY ITSELF.
WE DO THINK THOUGH THAT IF IT DOES MOVE FORWARD, THERE SHOULD BE A COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS THAT'S DONE.
AND THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN STATED BY BILL THIS AFTERNOON, RELATIVE TO THIS.
UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE THINK WOULD HAVE SOME IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS AND LOOKING THROUGH THIS, UM, AND STOP ME IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON THIS.
I, IT DID, THE STUDY DID LOOK AT AN AM AND A PM PEAK HOUR, BUT A PM PEAK HOUR FOR THE SCHOOL.
UM, IN LOOKING AT THE VOLUMES CONTAINED IN THE 2017, UM, OR IN THE TRANSPORTATION REVIEW THAT WAS PROVIDED AS WELL AS THE 2019 COUNTS THAT WERE USED FOR THE ONE 70 CORRIDOR STUDY.
UM, THE PM PEAK HOURS SHOULD ALSO BE REVIEWED.
UM, THERE'S A DELTA OF ABOUT 1100 VOLUME OR VEHICLES PER HOUR IN THE, UM, PEAK HOUR, BOTH NORTHBOUND AND SOUTHBOUND, THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IN THIS ANALYSIS.
UM, AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE LOOKED AT AS IT MOVED FORWARD, UNDERSTANDING THE IMPORTANCE OF LOOKING AT THE SCHOOL IN THAT ANALYSIS.
THERE WAS, UH, A PEAK HOUR FACTOR, USED A 0.75 FOR THE SCHOOL IN THE, UH, BOTH AM AND PM, UH, FOR THOSE MOVEMENTS, UH, WITH SCHOOL TRAFFICS OF THE LESSON AND THE LESS OUT, UM, THAT PERCENTAGE OF TRAFFIC SHOULD BE WEIGHTED USING A 0.5 PEAK HOUR FACTOR, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT STD OT REQUIRES FOR SCHOOL ANALYSIS.
AND THEN THOSE THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THAT, IT JUST HELPS TO WEIGHT THE IMPACT OF THE SCHOOL.
UM, AND THEN AS MENTIONED, UH, EARLIER WE DO FEEL LIKE THAT THERE THERE'S THE OVERLAPS OF THE, OF THE
BUT THERE IS AN ANALYSIS THAT'S OUT THERE THAT DOES MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT, UM, ARE NOT IN ALIGNMENT WITH THIS STUDY.
THE INTERSECTION CONFIGURATION CHANGES FROM A FULL MOVEMENT TO A DIRECTIONAL SIGNALIZED MOVEMENT.
UH, SO FIGURING OUT WHAT DIRECTION THE COUNTY WANTS TO GO, WHICH WAS, HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP SEVERAL TIMES.
WHAT'S THE OVERALL CONTEXT OF THE CORRIDOR? IS IT TO BE A COMMUTER ROUTE OR IS IT TO BE MORE OF A COMMERCIAL ROUTE? THAT'S GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON WHAT HAS BEEN DONE?
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UH, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, AS I WAS DOING MY RESEARCH ON THIS, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTIES LOOKED AT THIS BEFORE, IF YOU GO BACK TO 2003, THERE WAS A CORRIDOR STUDY FOR THIS SECTION OF THE CORRIDOR AS WELL, PERFORMED BY DE WILBURN.UH, IT MADE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ALL OF THESE STUDY AREA INTERSECTIONS AND PROJECTIONS ON GROWTH AS WELL.
AND EVEN BACK IN OH THREE, IT WAS TALKING ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF GROWTH AND THE IMPACT OF TRAFFIC ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.
UNFORTUNATELY IN 20 YEARS, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
UM, THE LAST THING WAS JUST, UH, IN THE FUTURE ANALYSIS, THIS PULLED TOGETHER, IF THIS IS A TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, WE WOULD WELCOME THAT BECAUSE THAT BRING FURTHER ALIGNMENT INTO THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE APPLICANT, WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE DONE, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.
AGAIN, TYING BACK TO THE ONE 70, UH, OVERALL REQUIREMENTS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE INFORMATION I SHARED COMMISSIONERS.
UM, WHO WAS UP NEXT? WAS THAT ANTWAN ANTWAN, OR WERE YOU GONNA TALK ABOUT YOUR PROJECTS? YES.
SKANDAR WE, UM, UH, REPRESENTING, UM, THE PROJECT, I THINK DEFINITELY, UM, THIS WHOLE, UH, UH, PROPERTY ON THE RIGHT, UM, GIFFORD, UM, UH, IT'S, I THINK IT'S TIME TO, UH, START, UH, DEVELOPING IT IN A WAY THAT THIS BALANCING IT OUT.
SO THE COMMUTERS DON'T HAVE TO COME FROM SAVANNAH TO WORK IN BLUFFTON, OR THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME FROM BEEF TO WORK IN BLUFFTON.
UH, WE, WE, WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING AN APARTMENT AND THEN WE'LL HAVE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, LOW-INCOME HOUSING AND, UM, AND A WORKFORCE, UH, UH, HOUSING FOR THE, FOR THE WORKERS AND BLUFFTON AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SO IT WILL SUPPORT THE COMMERCIAL IS NOT, WE'RE NOT DOING A SHOPPING CENTER, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A SMALL POPS AND MOMS, UH, YOU KNOW, STORES AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTING THE LOCAL.
UH, THERE'S A DEMAND FOR THAT.
I MEAN, IT'S A SMALL DEVELOPMENT, IT'S NOT HUGE, MASSIVE.
IT'S REALLY, REALLY SMALL, A SMALL, UH, YOU KNOW, ACREAGE, UM, BEING DEVELOPED, UH, LIKE MR. ROBERT SAID THAT THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER HUGE ACREAGE THAT'S BEING DEVELOPED ON, ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
AND, UH, AND THAT SHOULD REDUCE THE TRAFFIC, UH, COMING FROM BUFORD OR FROM SAVANNAH.
WE HAVE SEVERAL, UH, FOLKS, THEY WORK, UH, IN BLUFFTON AND THEY COMMUTE FROM SAVANNAH BY HAVING THESE HOUSING AFFORDABLE HOUSING WILL BE EASIER FOR THEM TO LIVE AND WORK CLOSER TO WORK.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA.
AND, UH, SO I THINK IT'S SIMPLE TO GENERATE A LOT OF REVENUE, UH, A LOT OF, UH, INCOME AND REVENUE FOR THE COUNTY TO HELP, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE GROWTH AND ALL THAT ANTWAN.
I HAVE A QUESTION OF YOU, YOU MENTIONED AFFORDABLE HOUSING WORKFORCE HOUSING.
DID YOU HAVE IN MIND A PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL HOUSING THAT YOU WOULD DEDICATE TO THOSE? NOT YET.
WE ARE IN THE EARLY STAGE OF, OF THE PROJECT, BUT CERTAINLY I'LL WORK WITH ROBERT AND, UH, WE CAN, WE CAN DEDICATE PERCENTAGE ON THAT AND, UM, YEAH, WE'LL WORK ON THAT ONE.
WE DEVELOP THE PLANS FOR THE NEXT PHASE.
UM, HOW ABOUT A QUESTION REGARDING INGRESS EGRESS? IS IT OFF AT CHERRY POINT ROAD, OR ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THAT OFF OF ONE 70? UM, THE STUDY THOUGH, I MEAN, THE, THE CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS THAT WE'VE DONE, IT'S COMING OFF SHERRY POINT AND WE WOULD WELCOME IT IF IT'S COMING FROM ONE 70.
SO AT THIS MOMENT WE REALLY STILL UP IN THE AIR WITH WE, UH, WE COULD EASILY DO IT, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM BOTH.
AND NOW WE UNDERSTAND THAT IF WE NEED TO GET IT FROM ONE 70, WE NEED TO, UH, HAVE, UH, THE ACCELERATING, UH, LANE AND TO GO IN AND OUT.
AND SO WE, WE, WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT MY REQUIRES EXTRA WORK ON, ON THE HIGHWAY.
OTHER QUESTIONS OF ANTWAN, AS SHE MENTIONED THAT WE NEED TO DO FARTHER STUDIES.
SO THIS IS, WE ARE ON THIS STEP ONE STAGE RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND, UM, FASTLY HERE, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION CAUSE I FEEL I'M CONFUSED.
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UM, MYSTERIES, CANADA, ARE YOU STILL LOOKING AT 250? UM, MID-RISE MULTI-FAMILY UNITS? NO.SO HOW MANY ARE YOU LOOKING AT? 80.
WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF NUMBERS HERE TONIGHT.
WE WILL LOOK IN WHAT IS THE ZONE, THE CODE AND THE ZONING ALLOWS US AND PER WAS SPEAKING WITH MR. ROBERT.
IT ALLOWS TO HAVE IT AT 80 AND THEN 25 SINGLE RESIDENCE HOMES.
NOW I'LL WORK WITH MR. ROBERT, WHICH IS, THIS IS LESS THAN HALF OF THE STUDY THAT'S MADE BY THE, BY JENNIFER.
SO, SO, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A HUGE, HUGE IMPACT OF, OF, UH, OF TRAFFIC, UH, BUT I'LL WORK WITH ROBERT.
AND THEN IF WE HAVE TO DO THE INCENTIVE TO, TO BUILD, UH, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN AND MORE FOR WORKFORCE, AND HE CAN HELP US TO MAYBE INCREASE IT TO MAYBE A HUNDRED, THAT WILL BE VERY HELPFUL.
AND THEN WE ARE WILLING TO DO SO.
I TOOK A NOTE, I THINK YOU SAID THIS IS NOT AVAILABLE FOR, UM, CONCENTRATION FOR AFFORDABLE SLASH WORKFORCE HOUSING.
I MEAN, THERE AREN'T INCENTIVES.
I MEAN, COULD YOU CLARIFY THAT FOR ME? YEAH.
CURRENTLY THE, THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT HAVE ANY PROVISION IN THE C4 OR C3 DISTRICT FOR DENSITY BONUSES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OTHER AVAILABLE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF USE AS A BASIS OF PLANNING, YOU KNOW, THE 80 MULTIFAMILY, 25 SINGLE FAMILY.
AND YOU KNOW, WHAT KI CAN GET AS FAR AS NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS IS GOING TO BE VERY CLOSE TO THAT.
NOW, IF ROBERT, IF WE HAVE TO CHANGE IT FROM C3 TO A DIFFERENT ZONING TO HELP, UH, GET MORE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND WORKFORCE HOUSING, I'LL BE, I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO MEET WITH YOU AND GO OVER THAT.
AND I, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE'RE CONSIDERING THE ZONING APPLICATION WITH, I BELIEVE UP SIX, SEVEN ACRES IN THE FRONT PORTION THAT IS C4 AND THEN THE REMAINDER C3.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF THAT CHANGES WERE MADE AND YOU HAVE ALL OF C4, THAT'S A DECISION THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE GOING THROUGH NOW, OR YOU'D HAVE TO COME BACK AT A LATER DATE AND AMEND THIS ZONING.
YEAH, WE COULD, YEAH, WE COULD DISCUSS THAT WITH YOU AND THEN IF WE NEED TO CHANGE IT TO MAKE IT MORE AFFORDABLE AND MORE BETTER.
UH, ROBERT, I BELIEVE YOU MENTIONED, UH, ONE OTHER PARTY, I'M SORRY WITH CAROLINE.
WAS IT, UM, KARA CRUTCHFIELD WITH THE BEAVER COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT? UM, YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A LETTER OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT'S RESPONSE TO THIS APPLICATION AND JUST CAROL, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS YOU WANT TO PROVIDE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE, ALL THE COMMISSIONERS HAD GOTTEN THAT.
AND I GUESS JUST MAYBE FOR PUBLIC PREGNANT, THE ECONOMY, YOU KNOW, THEY KIND OF HAD FOUR POINTS IN OUR, OUR LETTER ONE AND SOMEONE KIND OF MENTIONED THE FACT THAT OAKLAND ELEMENTARY WAS ALREADY COOL AND, UM, PRE COVID.
IT DEFINITELY WAS WITH COVID, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN A LOSS OF ENROLLMENT AND NO ONE KNOWS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD, BUT WE ASSUME WE WILL GET A LOT OF THOSE STUDENTS BACK.
UM, BUT RIGHT NOW WE PROBABLY ONLY HAVE ROOM FOR ABOUT A HUNDRED STUDENTS IN THERE.
SO THE TWO OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BUILT ONE ACTUALLY OFF THAT ROAD AND THE OTHER ONE THAT JASON, UM, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE HAVING SPACE FOR ALL STUDENTS.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I THINK SOMEONE ASKED THAT QUESTION.
WE HAVE TO SERVE THOSE STUDENTS.
SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE'LL PROBABLY BE PUTTING ON THAT PROPERTY.
UM, AT ONE TIME IN THE PAST, WE'VE HAD AS MANY AS 17 MOBILES IN THAT PROPERTY.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY THOSE ARE SHORT TERM SOLUTIONS, WHICH, UM, KIND OF BRINGS TO ANOTHER POINT.
WE HAVE THOSE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS HAD IMPACT THESE BUILT INTO THEIR, UM, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.
CURRENTLY, THIS IS NOT LARGE ENOUGH FOR THAT KIND OF A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, BUT, UM, ALTHOUGH
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THIS WOULD GENERATE FUNDS FOR THE COUNTY, IT DOES NOT GENERATE FUNDS FOR SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION.UM, AND SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOTHING THAT WOULD ASSIST THE SCHOOL IN BUILDING EXTRA CAPACITY, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL STUDENTS.
AND I THINK YOU ALL HAVE CLARIFIED THE CONFUSION WE HAD.
WE SORT OF HAD THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT, UM, WOULD BE BUILT.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WERE DEALING WITH THAT, UM, THAT LOWER NUMBER AND THAT WILL CERTAINLY HELP OUR CONCERN AS WELL.
AND AGAIN, ALREADY READ, HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD AND THE DEVELOPMENTS AREN'T EVEN BUILT YET.
SO I THINK THIS IS GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF TRAFFIC STUDY AND A LOT OF COORDINATION, AND YOU'RE HAPPY TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS, UM, WITH YOU AND FULL-ON, UM, CONTACT US AND, AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO DO WORK WITH YOU AND FIGURE OUT WHAT CAN HAPPEN TO
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION THAT MAY BE, UM, IT PROBABLY GOES TO ROBERT AS TO A POINT YOU RAISED ABOUT IMPACT FEES, UM, WOULD NOT IMPACT FEES APPLY TO ANY CONSTRUCTION OF SINGLE FAMILY UNITS OR MULTIFAMILY UNITS AND THAT DEVELOPMENT, OR WOULD THEY, I MEAN, ROB, I I'D ASSUME THAT THEY WOULD, IS THAT NOT TRUE? YEAH.
THE COUNTY IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON UPDATING THE IMPACT FEES AND ONE OF THE NEW IMPACT FEES UNDER CONSIDERATION ARE FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
AND I AM NOT REAL CERTAIN OF THE STATUS OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IMPACT FEES.
UM, THE, THE CONSULTANTS, UH, TISCHLER BICE WORKED ON WORKED UP A NUMBER FOR SCHOOL IMPACT FEES, BUT I'M STILL NOT EXACTLY SURE WHERE THAT IS RIGHT NOW.
UM, THE OTHER TWO PDS NEARBY RIVER OAKS AND OSPREY POINTS, THEY NEGOTIATED A, A FEE PER UNIT THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO THEY WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL MONEY TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
FOR THOSE FACILITIES THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THIS PROPERTY IS, YOU KNOW, SLIGHTLY LESS THAN 18 ACRES.
IT DOESN'T MEET THE MINIMUM THRESHOLD FOR ENTERING INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY, SO THAT THAT'S NOT REALLY AN OPTION FOR THIS PROPERTY, BUT THE IMPACT FEES ARE APPLICABLE TO SINGLE FAMILY UNITS, EVEN FOR ONE A HOUSE.
AND YOU'RE JUST SAYING UNDER THE RULES FOR A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THEY WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE.
THEY, THEY COULD NOT APPLY FOR A DEVELOPMENT RATE BECAUSE THEIR LACK OF SUBSEQUENTLY NEW OR SUFFICIENT UNITS.
ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, WE DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE IMPACT FOR SCHOOLS.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S, IT'S NOT BEEN ENACTED THE SITUATION WITH THE OTHER TWO DEVELOPMENTS NEARBY WAS A NEGOTIATION THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A UNIQUE SITUATION IN BUFORD COUNTY.
SO THE WORST CASE SCENARIO HERE IS THAT THE, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT THE, THERE WOULD BE NO IMPACT FEES THAT WE KNOW OF AT THE MOMENT.
UM, IF THERE WAS A FILING BEFORE THE IMPACT FEES WERE ENACTED AND I TAKE IT THAT THERE ARE NO REFERENDUM DOLLARS IN 2018 REFERENDUM THAT WOULD GO TOWARD ADDING ADDITIONAL ROOMS FOR IN LARGER, LARGER ENROLLMENT PROJECTIONS SO THAT WE KNEW NO FEES THERE.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE ADDITIONAL BURDEN WOULD FALL ON THE TAXPAYERS IS WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME AT THIS POINT.
AND I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW IF TARA, IF YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION OR ME, I JUST KINDA UN-MUTED MYSELF TO TAKE THAT IF YOU WANTED ME TO, UM, THAT'S SORT OF CORRECT THAT THE REFERENDUM OUTLINED ADDITIONS TO TWO SCHOOLS, UH, RIVER RIDGE ACADEMY AND MAY RIVER HIGH SCHOOL.
SO WE HAVE COMPLETED BOTH OF THOSE ADDITIONS.
UM, AND SO MAY RIVER HIGH SCHOOL, WHILE THAT IS A CONCERN, BECAUSE THIS MAIN PROPERTY IS ZONED FOR MAY RIVER SHOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THEM.
UH, AT LEAST IN THE SHORT TERM, IN THE LONG-TERM WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, POST COVID NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH OUR ENROLLMENT.
UM, BUT NOTHING IS IN THE WORKFLOW PETITE IN TERMS OF ADDITIONAL CLASSROOMS AND LESS, THERE WAS SOME
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OTHER FUNDING TOWARDS PERHAPS THE, UM, IMPACT FEES.SHOULD THEY EVER BE PASSED BY THE COUNTY OR OUR FUTURE REFERENDUM? NOTHING IS CURRENTLY IN PLACE TO ADDRESS EXTRA CLASSROOMS AT OAKWOOD.
ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS AT THIS POINT? HI, ED.
OH, CAN YOU HEAR ME YET? OKAY.
UH, BOTH OF YOU, I GUESS THIS IS TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, BUT ROB I'M FORGIVE ME FOR BEING SO CONFUSED.
CAUSE WE REALLY SPENT LIKE TWO HOURS AT A MEETING BACK PROBABLY IN OCTOBER ABOUT IMPACT FEES AND THE TISCHLER BEAST, YOU KNOW, CONSULTANTS REPORT.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION NUMBER ONE IS WHERE DOES THAT STAND IN THE COUNTY NOW? HAS IT BEEN ADOPTED? IS IT GOING TO BE ADOPTED? BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IS KIND OF STUCK HERE IN THE MIDDLE, UM, ABOUT SCHOOL IMPACT FEES, ABOUT WHAT THEY MAY OR MAY NOT BE REQUIRED TO DO.
MAYBE THEY WON'T HAVE TO DO IT.
IT'S SURROUNDED BY PDS WHO HAVE THEIR OWN DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.
SO I GUESS I'D LIKE MORE CLARITY ABOUT WHAT'S BEING EXPECTED OF THEM.
AND I ASSUME THE DEVELOPER WOULD LIKE THAT CLARITY TO GO.
COULD YOU OFFER SOME INSIGHT? WE HAVE TWO BIG ISSUES.
UM, IN THAT AREA, ONE IS TRAFFIC AND THE OTHER ONE IS SCHOOLS.
AND THIS PARTICULAR, THIS IS JUST STAFF'S POINT OF VIEW.
THIS PARTICULAR REZONING IS NOT A HUGE, IT'S NOT GOING TO CONTRIBUTE A WHOLE LOT IN ADDITION TO WHAT A LOT OF OTHER MUCH LARGER DEVELOPMENTS ARE ALREADY CAN TO CONTRIBUTE.
SO IT'S REALLY LEADING TO SOME LARGER POLICY ISSUES THAT THE COUNTY AND WORKING WITH HARDY VILLE AND JASPER NEED TO ADDRESS FOR THE ONE 70 CORRIDOR FOR THE TRANSPORTATION STANDPOINT AND THAT ALSO A MECHANISM TO DEAL WITH SOUTHERN BEAVER COUNTY AND THE SCHOOL SITUATION.
UM, SO I THINK THAT THE, REALLY THE PLANNING COMMISSION NEEDS TO WEIGH THOSE TWO ISSUES, THAT THE ISSUE OF SCHOOLS GOES MUCH LARGER THAN THIS ONE DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S CERTAINLY GOING TO TIP IT FURTHER IN THE, IN THE DIRECTION OF OVERCROWDING, BUT THERE ARE MUCH LARGER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE ALSO CONTRIBUTING TO THAT.
AND THE SAME WITH TRANSPORTATION IN THE ONE 70 CORRIDOR, EVEN MORE SO BECAUSE WE HAVE WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE OTHER SIDE AND HARDY FILMS JASPER, BUT THAT DEMANDS A REGIONAL KIND OF COMPREHENSIVE VIEW OF HOW WE WOULD TRUST THE CORRIDOR.
WHAT WE'VE LOOKED AT PRIMARILY WITH THE TRANSPORTATION STUDY WITH RESPECT TO THIS REZONING IS WHAT CAN BE DONE TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS THAT WHEN DEVELOPMENT DOES OCCUR, THEN ANOTHER TRAFFIC STUDY, IF IT TRIGGERS MORE THAN 50 PEAK HOUR TRIPS WILL BE, HAVE TO BE DONE.
YOU KNOW, IF THE, IF THE DEVELOPER IN TO SAID THEY WANT TO DO, UM, RESIDENTIAL STORAGE, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO TRIGGER THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT COULD FILL OUT THE SITE AND HAVE A LOW TRAFFIC IMPACT.
AND IF THEY COME IN WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF RESTAURANTS OR FAST FOODS, THAT'S GOING TO TRIGGER AN ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC STUDY WHERE WE'LL GET MORE INTO THE DETAILS OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS ARE NECESSARY, SUCH AS TURNING LANES, THINGS LIKE THAT TO MAKE IT WORK.
SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE ISSUES WE'RE DEALING WITH A REALLY LARGE ISSUES THERE BROUGHT IT BROUGHT ABOUT BY A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT REALLY DEMANDS THE COUNTY AND OTHER MUNICIPALITIES TAKING A COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH TO SUCH AS THE IMPACT FEES OR THE CORRIDOR STUDY OF ONE 70.
DO WE KNOW WHERE THE, UH, CORRIDOR STUDY OF ONE 70 OR THE FOUR B IMPACT FEE THE RECORD AND OF THE PROBLEM? WELL, CURRENTLY, AND I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE SCHOOL IMPACT FEES RIGHT NOW, BUT I KNOW WHAT THE ADDITION, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OTHER IMPACT KEYS, LIBRARIES, VMS, WHERE ALL OF THOSE, THOSE WORK WORKING WITH THE MUNICIPALITIES AND FINALIZING THE PROJECT LIST.
I KNOW THAT THAT'S GENERALLY THE STATUS AND WE'RE HOPING VERY SHORTLY WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH THEY COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH A RECOMMENDATION.
I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH WHAT HAS HAPPENED WITH THE SCHOOL IMPACT FOR YOU.
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I WISH I COULD SAY I KNEW MORE THAN I DO NOT.I KNOW THAT WE CONTINUOUSLY TRY TO BRING IT TO THE FOREFRONT OF COMPENSATION.
UM, BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT AT RASP WITH THE COUNTY TO ACTUALLY TAKE SOME ACTION.
ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS FOR ANY OF THE FOLKS THAT HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN WELL? YEAH.
AND I HAD ANOTHER, UH, QUESTION FOR ROBERT, WHATEVER.
SO W WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS PROPERTY, I HAVE IT UP HERE, RUN ON GOOGLE MAPS ON SATELLITE, AND I CAN SEE EVERYTHING ALL AROUND IT.
HOW MANY OTHER PIECES OF PROPERTY IN THIS GENERAL, ONE 70 CORRIDOR AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE ZONED THE SAME AS THIS ONE.
LET'S LET'S ASK THAT QUESTION FIRST.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER ZONE THE SAME AS THIS ONE? WELL, NOT EXACTLY, BUT THE PUD, THE RIVER OAKS PD AND THE POS SPRAY POINT MALIN BLUFF PUD HAVE SIMILAR TYPES OF SETTING OSPREY POINT HAS A COMMERCIAL COMPONENT ON THE FRONT.
THAT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT SIMILAR TO WHAT, UM, ANTWAN IS REQUESTING AND THE DENSITY OF THE, THE SINGLE FAMILY IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT HE'S REQUIRED.
THAT'S NOT WHERE I'M GOING WITH THE QUESTION.
LET ME, LET ME TELL YOU HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE STANDING IN LINE BEHIND ANTWAN LOOKING TO COME IN AND MAKE THE SAME OR SIMILAR ZONING CHANGES IN THE ONE SENTENCE.
WELL, THAT IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
AND I WILL SAY IF THERE ARE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT THEY, THERE IS A LIMIT, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE LOOKING JUST ON THIS SIDE OF ONE 70, UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE ONE PROPERTY OUT THERE W THAT, THAT THEY'VE MADE SOME REQUESTS ABOUT CHANGING THE ZONING IS A CORE TRAX THAT'S OVER NEAR OLD FIELDS.
UM, AND THERE'S ALSO A PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, UH, JUST SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY.
MOST OF THE REMAINING PROPERTIES ON THE EAST SIDE OF ONE 70, UM, ARE EITHER PRESERVED TO THE ROLL AND CRITICAL LANDS PRESERVATION PROGRAM, UM, OR ALREADY DEVELOPED.
SO LIKE, UH, RIVERBEND'S PART OF SOME CITY, THE OT CENTER PUD, WHERE YOU HAVE THE PARKERS, UH, AND THEN MARK GAS STATIONS, UM, OLDFIELD, UH, RIVER RIVERS.
AND SO THERE ARE, I WOULD SAY THREE OR FOUR ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, APPROACHING US, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO, JUST BASED ON THE TRENDS WE'VE SEEN ON THIS CORRIDOR.
ROB THE, UH, LET ME JUST QUICK JUMP IN HERE.
THE, THE TRACK VISIT THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF CHERRY POINT ROAD, THERE'S A BIG FOR SALE SIGN UP ON IT.
ONE OF THOSE THEY'RE GOING UP FOR A REZONING REQUEST POTENTIALLY.
WELL, THEY HAVE NOT STARTED ANY FORMAL PROCESS, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN INTEREST IN THOSE PROPERTIES THAT, AND I'LL JUST SAY THAT THAT'S ABOUT, AS FAR AS I KNOW, NOBODY HAS PUT IN ANY FORMAL REQUESTS FOR RESERVING THAT THOSE PROPERTIES ARE SO RURAL.
SO FOR THEM TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT RURAL ZONING WOULD ALLOW, WOULD REQUIRE A REZONING AND COMING INTO THE PLANNING.
WHICH I THINK IS WHAT KEVIN WAS GETTING TO YEAH.
I THINK THIS IS PART OF A BIGGER PROBLEM.
UM, BOTH WITH THE SCHOOLS, WITH THE ROADS, WITH, UM, UM, HARLEYSVILLE, YOU KNOW, REGIONAL, IF YOU WILL.
UM, AND, AND, AND THIS, THIS PROJECT HERE, THIS IS NOT READY YET.
THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT, UH, COMPLETELY BAKED.
UM, WE REALLY DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS.
THERE'S STILL ONGOING DISCUSSIONS.
THANK YOU, KEVIN, UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, BEFORE I ASKED FOR, UH, CITIZEN COMMENTS ON THIS ISSUE, UH, ARE THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS OF ANY OF THE SPEAKERS THIS EVENING? UH, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, I DO SEE, UH, ROB, IF ANTWAN DOES PUT IN THE QUEST TO CHANGE IT TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THAT WILL REQUIRE ANOTHER REZONING.
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YEAH.IF THEY WANTED TO DO ANY LEVEL OF MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING GREATER THAN WHAT THERE'S REQUESTED RESOUNDING WOULD REQUIRE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME IN FOR AN ADDITIONAL RESIGNING.
UM, ROB OR NOAH, ARE THERE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS, UH, REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR ZONING AMENDMENT REQUEST? UM, WE HAVE JESSE WHITE WITH COASTAL CONSERVATION LEAGUE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT I'M NOT AWARE YET OF ANY OTHERS, BUT I GUESS WE'LL ALLOW THEM TO RAISE THEIR HAND AFTER JESSE'S DONE SPEAKING AND MAKE THEMSELVES KNOWN.
AND GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
MY NAME IS JESSE WHITE AND COMMENTING ON BEHALF OF BECAUSE PATIENTLY ROUSSEFF PARTY ZONING REQUESTS.
UM, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT UPSTANDING REQUEST THAT'S BEFORE YOU, AND ALONG A REGIONAL CORRIDOR, THAT'S ALREADY EXPERIENCING SUBSTANTIAL GROWING PAINS AND TRAFFIC ISSUES.
UNDERSTANDING THIS PROJECT IS JUST ONE PIECE OF A MUCH LARGER PUZZLE.
IT REMAINS IMPORTANT THAT WE DON'T CONTINUE TO PERPETUATE THESE PROBLEMS. IN THE MEANTIME, CURRENTLY THE PROPERTY IS ENVISIONED BY FUTURE LAND USE MAPS, AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS RURAL AND IS APPROPRIATELY ZONE T2 RURAL, WHICH ALLOWS FOR FIVE, 12 UNITS AND LIMITED NON-RESIDENTIAL USES THE REQUESTED ZONING WOULD INCREASE DENSITY DRASTICALLY TO ALLOW 25 SINGLE FAMILY UNITS, 80 MULTIFAMILY UNITS, AND OVER 70,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
ONE OF THE CORE GUIDING PRINCIPLES OF THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS AN INTENTIONAL EFFORT TO MAINTAIN A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE RURAL AND DEVELOPING AREAS OF THE COUNTY, ENCOURAGING INFILL AND FOCUSING DEVELOPMENT WITH AN ALREADY ESTABLISHED URBAN AREAS WHILE DISCOURAGING SPRAWL AND INTENSE DEVELOPMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE IN DESIGNATED RURAL AREAS DEVELOPMENT AT THE SCALE AND MAGNITUDE PROPOSED HERE RUNS COUNTER TO THESE CORE.
AND WHAT IS ENVISIONED FOR THIS PART OF BEAVER COUNTY? CONSIDERING THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED OUTSIDE THE REGIONAL GROWTH BOUNDARIES FOR NORTHERN BEAVER COUNTY, A DECISION TO ALLOW SUCH A SUBSTANTIAL ABSORBING FROM RURAL TO HIGH DENSITY, UNDERMINES THE WELL-INFORMED AND STRATEGIC DECISIONS OF OUR GOVERNING PLANNING DOCUMENTS TO FOCUS DEVELOPMENT WITHIN GROWTH BOUNDARIES WHILE RETAINING RURAL PRESERVATION AS A CORE PLANNING VALUE.
ANOTHER CORE LAND USE GOAL IS TO ADDRESS AFFORDABLE AND WORKFORCE HOUSING ON A REGIONAL BASIS, WHICH CAN NOT BE DONE IN A PIECEMEAL DEVELOPMENT BY DEVELOPMENT, FASHION, AFFORDABLE AND WORKFORCE HOUSING SHOULD BE LOCATED WITHIN OR IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO ALREADY DEVELOPED URBAN AREAS WHERE JOBS CENTERS EXIST, NOT OUTSIDE THE GROWTH BOUNDARIES, LOCATING AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF THE COUNTY IS SIMPLY PERPETUATING THE EXISTING PROBLEM OF PUSHING LOWER TO MIDDLE INCOME WORKERS TO THE OUTER FRINGES OF THE REGION.
FORCING LONGER COMMUTES, INCREASING TRAFFIC CONGESTION, RAISING CARBON EMISSIONS AND EXACERBATING SUBURBAN SPRAWL AS A RESULT OF THESE INCONSISTENCIES WITH THE BEAVER COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AS WELL AS SIGNIFICANT REGIONAL GROWTH AND TRAFFIC CONCERNS ALONG THIS CORRIDOR, WE URGE THE COMMISSION TO DENY THIS REQUEST AT THIS TIME.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR CAREFUL CONSIDERATION OF THESE IMPORTANT ISSUES.
UM, I GUESS WE'RE ALREADY AT THIS POINT TO, UM, EXTRAS ENTERTAIN A MOTION, WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION FOR APPROVAL, UH, SO THAT WE CAN THEN GO INTO A CONSIDERATION FOR VOTING? DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WISH TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE? I'M HOPING THE SILENCE IS BECAUSE I CAN'T HEAR YOU AND I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION, NOT EMOTION, BUT A RECOMMENDATION IS THAT, UM, ANTON, YOU KNOW,
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GO BACK AND SORT OUT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT HE WANTS TO DO THERE.IF THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OF, UM, WORKFORCE HOUSING, UM, WORKING WITH THE COUNTY, UM, AND EVEN CREATING AN OPPORTUNITY ZONE LIKE DONE UP IN LADY'S ISLAND IS A LOT OF, A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO, UM, TO FACILITATE THAT.
UM, MY, MY HONEST OPINION IS THIS, THIS, THIS IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING READY TO GO.
THERE ARE TOO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS AND THAT THAT'S NOT THE FAULT OF ANTON AT ALL.
UM, SOME OF IT IS, BUT, BUT NOT ALL OF IT.
AND A LOT OF IT'S ON THE COUNTY SIDE.
I THINK WE GOT SCHOOL QUESTIONS.
AND I, I STILL WILL SAY IT AGAIN.
WE GOTTA DECIDE, DO WE WANT A 55 MILE AN HOUR HIGHWAY RUNNING DOWN THROUGH RESIDENTIAL AND LIGHT COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL AREAS WITH NO LIGHTS OR, YOU KNOW, PERIODIC SPORADIC LIGHTS? UM, I JUST THINK WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA ASK OURSELVES THAT QUESTION.
I THINK THE COUNTY NEEDS TO BE TO, UH, ADDRESS THAT, BUT, UH, THAT, THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ON IT.
WELL, UH, I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT I'D LIKE TO TURN IT INTO SOME SORT OF MOTION IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE AT MY, MY SENSE IS THAT YOU WANT TO DENY THE APPROVAL AND SENT THEM BACK FOR FURTHER DISCUSSIONS ON POTENTIAL REZONING AND ALLOW AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND, OR OTHER CONSIDERATIONS AS TO DENSITY AND SCHOOL DISTRICT, UM, ISSUES.
SO I NEED A MOTION OR I AM IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, OR A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE CAN TURN INTO A VOTE.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD SPEAK REAL QUICKLY, STAFF DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THIS PROPERTY AS PART OF A REZONING.
THE ONLY MECHANISM TO DO THAT CURRENTLY WOULD BE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THIS PROPERTY DOESN'T MEET THE MINIMUM THRESHOLD TO DO THAT.
UM, THE OTHER THING I JUST WANTED TO MAKE CLEAR IS THAT THIS IS A STRAIGHTFORWARD SOWN ZONING AMENDMENT TO A DISTRICT, NOT A MASTER PLAN.
WE'RE NOT REDOING A MASTER PLAN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, TYPICALLY WITH A REZONING YOU'RE, YOU'RE SIMPLY LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL OF THE NEW ZONING DISTRICT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE BEFORE ANY RECOMMENDATION, INCLUDING CONDITIONS LIKE THAT, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO WORK ON IT.
YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH THE APPLICANT.
EVEN THOUGH THE, THE ROBERT, IF SOMEBODY COME WALK IN THROUGH THE DOOR AND SAYS, RAISE STANDARDS, I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO, UM, DEVELOP WORKFORCE HOUSING AND BUFORD COUNTY.
YOU MEAN TO TELL ME WE WOULD TELL THEM, WELL, NO, YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT BIG ENOUGH.
DON'T WE HAVE, WE, IN FACT, I BELIEVE WE HAVE A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE THAT WORKS ON THIS DON'T WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT WORKS ON THIS THAT WILL, THAT PUTS TOGETHER A PROPOSAL.
AND THEN EITHER THE DEVELOPER EITHER AGREES TO IT OR DOESN'T AGREE TO IT.
UM, THEY PRESENTED IT TO US AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE RULES AND GUIDELINES AND EVERYTHING WERE.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
YOU CAN'T NEGOTIATE ZONING INCREASES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO TALK TO SOMEBODY.
HOW DID THE GUY IN LAYS ISLAND DO, UM, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THE TWO PROJECTS IN BLUFFTON, BUT HE JUST WALKED DOWN THERE WITH A HAMMER, A PILE OF WOOD AND START BUILDING IT.
TYPICALLY, IF SOMEBODY IS INTERESTED IN BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE WOULD DIRECT THEM TO A SITE THAT ALLOWED THEM TO DO THAT.
AND WE WORK WITH THEM ON ZONING ISSUES RELATED TO THAT, WON'T BE, DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IS WORK OUT ANY KIND OF AGREEMENTS THAT SAYS, IF YOU REZONE THIS PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, IF THE COUNTY RESERVES HIS PROPERTY, YOU ARE OBLIGATED TO PRODUCE SUSPEND UNITS.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT MECHANISM IN PLACE.
SO I, I JUST, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE CLEAR.
WE CERTAINLY, IN THE CASE OF, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS ABOUT A YEAR AGO, WE REVIEWED A REZONING OR NO, IT WAS LAST SUMMER FOR REZONING REQUEST FOR PROPERTY ON LAUREL BAY ROADS IN NORTHERN BUFORD COUNTY.
IN THAT CASE, WE TREATED THE APPLICATION.
WE LOOKED AT THE MERITS OF THE REZONING, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT WAS AFFORDABLE, KNOWING THAT THE APPLICANT WAS INTERESTED IN DOING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT WE COULDN'T COUNT ON IT.
YOU KNOW, THEY COULD GO THROUGH THE APPLICATION OF GETTING LOW-INCOME HOUSING, TRACK TAX CREDITS, YOU KNOW, IT HAD FALL THROUGH, AND THEN THEY DECIDED TO SELL IT TO SOMEONE ELSE TO DEVELOP SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
W W IT'S JUST WITHOUT A DEVELOPMENT
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AGREEMENT, YOU CAN'T HOLD SOMEONE TO THAT.WE CERTAINLY WOULD WORK WITH ANYONE WHO WANTS TO DEVELOP AFFORDABLE HOUSING, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S JUST, THAT'S NOT A, WE CAN'T PUT THAT AS A CONDITION FOR REZONING.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO EITHER APPROVE OR NOT THIS PARTICULAR AMENDMENT REQUEST? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
IF WE JUST SIMPLY WANT, W W IF WE JUST SIMPLY DON'T WANT TO VOTE, DO WE HAVE TO VOTE IT UP OR DOWN? WELL, THAT'S WHY I'M GOING TO ASK A QUESTION TO VERIFY ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.
CAN WE TABLE THIS, UH, ROB, WHAT ARE THE CONDITIONS? WHAT HAPPENS WITH WE TABLE? THIS, THAT WE BROUGHT BACK AGAIN AT SOME FUTURE DATE, THERE ARE TOO MANY CONSIDERED OPEN-ENDED QUESTIONS AND DOES ITERATIONS, WELL, I BELIEVE COMMISSION, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE ABILITY TO TABLE SOMETHING 30 DAYS, BUT I THINK THAT THE QUESTION TO, TO ASK WOULD BE WHAT INFORMATION CAN YOU FIND OUT IN THAT 30 DAYS THAT SHE DOESN'T HAVE TODAY TO MAKE A DECISION? YES.
SO I THINK THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, KEVIN.
I'M NOT SURE IT WILL BE FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD 30 DAYS FROM NOW.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER OPTIONS? HOW CAN WE VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT HAS SO MANY DIFFERENT VARIABLES TO SAY YES ON, UH, THAT THAT'S MY PROBLEM.
IT DEPENDS ON THIS TRAFFIC STUDY.
IT DEPENDS ON HOW MANY PEOPLE, UH, I, I JUST FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE VOTING ON SOMETHING THAT HAS SO MANY, UH, VARIABLES.
WELL, I THINK OUR OPTIONS ARE HERE LIMITED.
UM, WE CAN TABLE IT AND COME BACK 30 DAYS FROM NOW.
UH, I GOT VERY MUCH THAT WILL BE FURTHER ALONG, BUT I DON'T ON A PROJECT THAT, UM, OR WE CAN DENY THE MOTION OR DENY THE AMENDMENT REQUEST AND SEND THAT FORWARD TO NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE, UH, OR ACCEPTED WITH ANY CONDITIONS WE WANT TO PUT IN UNDER THAT.
IT IS, AS YOU NOTE, HERE IS A CONDITIONAL ACCEPTANCE BASED ON THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS.
THERE ARE OTHER CONDITIONS THAT WERE DISCUSSED THIS MORNING, BUT THEN THIS EVENING AND THE CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, UM, AND THE GENERAL LACK OF COMPLETE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THAT CARTER AND ALL THE COMPLEXITIES FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT PROPERTIES ALONG THAT CARTER, EVEN A DISCUSSION OF POTENTIAL SIX, SIX, ELAINE TRAFFIC OPENING UP TO SIX LANES.
UM, BUT WE DO, WE, WE DO NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.
WE JUST CAN'T LET THIS STAND WITHOUT A DETERMINATION OF SOME SORT GOING FORWARD.
SO WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE COMMISSIONERS? IT, UH, I I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE APPLICATION.
WOULD YOU AND THAT'S CAROLINE, WE'VE GOT A MOTION TO DENY THE APPLICATION FOR THE AMENDMENT OF THE DIS THE DISTRICT, UM, AT THE INTERSECTION OF OTT HIGHWAY AND CHERRY POINT ROAD FROM KEY TO RURAL TO C3, NEIGHBORHOOD EXCUSE AND C4 COMMUNITY CENTER MIXED USE.
AND WE HAVE A SECOND, UM, DISCUSSION FOR THE DISCUSSION.
I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE AN OVERALL COMMENT.
UM, I TRAVERS I'VE BEEN TRAVERS DURING UP 23 YEARS UP AND DOWN THAT CARD, OR, AND I'VE SEEN IT EXPAND DOUBLE THE GROWTH THAT I EXPERIENCED WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE.
UM, JUST ABOUT EVERY PIECE OF PROPERTY EAST END WEST SIDE OF 70, UP, UP, UP TO THE BROAD RIVER BRIDGE IS UP FOR SALE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS GOING UP ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC HAZARDS, DIFFERENT TRAFFIC SIGNALS, MORE AND MORE INGRESS AND EGRESS OFF OF ONE 70.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S A PROMISE OF A LOT MORE TO COME FROM OUR PARTNERS IN JASPER COUNTY AND HARTVILLE.
UM, I CAN'T IN GOOD CONSCIOUS SUPPORT, A MOTION TO AMEND THE ZONING.
ARE THERE, IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION?
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EXCUSE ME.THERE'S YOUR FRIEND OFF CHRIS? MYSELF.
I DO HAVE, UH, A QUESTION TO THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
I DON'T THINK THAT'D BE APPROPRIATE ROUNDUP.
I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO ENTER INTO THE DISCUSSION THAT YOU HAVE RECUSED YOURSELF ACCORDING TO ROBERT'S RULES.
THAT'S MY QUESTION HAD TO DO WITH ROBERTS.
I'D LIKE TO TICK, I'M SORRY, ANGEL OUT THERE.
MAY I SAY SOMETHING? WELL, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A MOTION THAT WE'RE TAKING A VOTE ON.
I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO ADDRESS DURING THE, DURING THE, UH, THE VOTE.
UH, ROB, DO YOU WANT TO VIEW CORRECT ME ON THAT ROBERT'S RULE OF WAR IS CLOSED FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
WELL, I, I'M NOT CERTAIN, I BELIEVE THAT'S YOUR CALL, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT HE, DISCUSSIONS OF FLOORS IS OVER, UH, IT'S DISCUSSION WAS AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS COMMISSIONERS AND MADE A MOTION.
SO I'M GOING TO ASK FOR A VOTE.
I'M GOING TO CALL YOUR NAME AND THEN PLEASE RESPOND TO ME EITHER.
DIANE IS MAKE SURE MIKE'S ON BOB.
NOW, DIANE, HOW DO YOU VOTE ON THIS? IS DIANE NOT RESPONDING.
I BELIEVE SHE IS TRYING TO RESPOND.
SHE'S UN-MUTED BUT WE STILL CAN'T HEAR ONE FINGER FOR ONE PER YET.
TWO FOR NO, IT LOOKS LIKE, OKAY.
SO THE MOTION IS TO DENY THE MOTION.
I, UM, CONSENT TO KEVIN'S MOTION TO DENY.
IS JASON WITH US? NO, HE'S NOT WITH US OR IF HE VOTES? NO, I'M SORRY.
I DON'T BELIEVE JASON'S WITH US.
AND, UM, ME, UH, YES, AS WELL.
UM, THE MOTION TO AMEND AS UNIVERSALLY BEEN DENIED.
I THINK IT'S TIME THEN TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ZONING MAP AMENDMENT REQUEST, REZONING REQUEST.
NOW WE'RE READY TO TAKE A BREATH.
[9. ZONING MAP AMENDMENT/REZONING REQUEST for 2.0 acres (R600 036 000 015E 0000) at the Southwest Corner of May River Road and Benton Lane in Pritchardville from T3 Edge to T2 Rural Center; Applicant: Blaine McClure.]
THERE'S ONLY MAP AMENDMENT REZONING REQUEST FOR 2.0 ACRES AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF MAY RIVER ROAD IN BENTON LANE IN PRICHARD ADVIL FROM T3 EDGE TO T2 RURAL CENTER, APPLICANT, BLAIR LANE, AND THE FLOOR.UH, ROB, YOU WANT TO START US OFF ON THIS? I'M GOING TO LET NO A CRIMPS, I THINK, HANDLED THIS ONE.
UM, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A TWO ACRE LAW AT THE WESTERN CORNER OF BENTLEIGH LANE AND MAY RIVER ROAD, UM, TO BE REASONABLE TO T2 T2 RURAL CENTER, IT'S CURRENTLY T3 EDGE.
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YOU ALL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKGROUND, UM, ON THIS PROPERTY.UM, IN 1990, UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ORDINANCE OF THE TIME, IT WAS, UM, A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
AND THEN IN 1999, THE MAY RIVER COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT WAS DEVELOPED AND THE ZONING, UM, SWITCHED TO COMMUNITY VARIATION.
UM, AT THAT TIME, THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS CARRIED OVER INTO THE COMMUNITY PRESERVATION ZONING, AND THEN WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE, UM, STARTING IN 2011, A PUBLIC WORKSHOP WAS HELD, UM, AT THE INTERSECTION OF GIVE IT ROAD AND MAY RIVER ROAD WAS IDENTIFIED AS, UM, YOU KNOW, A LIMITED AREA FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND AREAS ADJACENT, UM, ENDED UP BEING ZONED T3, WHICH IS MAINLY RESIDENTIAL WITH, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE OR TWO VERY LIMITED, UM, SERVICES IS ALLOWED AS WELL, UM, IN, IN DAYCARE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, SO PROPERTY OWNER, UM, AS FAR BACK AS 2002, UM, I BELIEVE 2002 WAS THE FIRST YEAR.
AND THEN AGAIN, IN 2005, UM, APPLIED AND RECEIVED, UM, PERMITS TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY WHEN IT WAS STILL ZONED COMMERCIALLY, IT WAS, UM, NEVER DEVELOPED.
I BELIEVE THE PROPERTY OWNER DID NOT EVER PICK UP THE PERMITS.
SO NO CONSTRUCTION WAS EVER, NO ONE WAS DISTURBED AT THAT TIME.
UM, NOW WITH THE, WITH THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING ON THAT PROPERTY, I THINK THERE ARE SIX PROPERTIES BETWEEN, BETWEEN THIS PART AND THE T2 RURAL SECTOR AREA AT THE INTERSECTION OF GIVE IT ROAD AND MAY RIVER ROAD.
UM, THEY DO HAVE A FEW EXISTING LIGHT SERVICE, UM, AND OFFICE USES, UM, AND LATE INDUSTRIAL, SORRY.
UM, BUT LARGELY THE AREA DIRECTLY ADJACENT AND SURROUNDING THIS PARCEL IS RESIDENTIAL.
UM, THAT SAID THIS, THIS PARCEL, IF IT WERE TO BE REZONED TO T2 RURAL CENTER, IT WOULD CONSTITUTE A SPOT ZONING.
UM, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT STAFF CAN SUPPORT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD SET A POOR PRECEDENT, ESPECIALLY IN THIS RURAL RESIDENTIAL AREA FOR ONE PARCEL, UM, WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL AREA TO, TO BE, UM, WITH NO RELATION TO THE SURROUNDING ZONING DISTRICTS.
UM, SO STAFF CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UM, A LITTLE LIKE YOU TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AS THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS SHOWN, SHOWN GOOD FAITH HISTORICALLY, TO TRY AND DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY.
IT IS A SINGLE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, WHO IS ALSO A RESIDENT OF THE COMMUNITY, UM, AND, AND HAS SHOWN GOOD GOODWILL TOWARDS THE COMMUNITY AND TRYING TO, TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY IN THE PAST.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, I'D BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS IT THIS TIME.
DO YOU WANT TO BUILD HERE? THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO PROPOSAL FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT AT THIS TIME, BUT YOU POSTED IT TO GO.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF IT'S 1.9, SIX ACRES, IF IT'S T2 WORLD, SHE CAN PUT ONE HOUSE THERE.
YOU DON'T NEED THREE ACRES OFF.
NOW WITH THE NEW, UM, SUBPECTORAL, UH, LIMITATIONS.
SO WITHOUT KNOWING THAT YOU CAN'T PUT A HOUSE THERE, I MEAN, IS IT GOING TO BE A PET CEMETERY? WHAT WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME IDEA OF WHAT IS GOING TO GO IN THERE? I THINK I, I KNOW I CERTAINLY WANT IT OUT AND WE HAVEN'T HAD THIS.
THE PROPOSED ZONING IS T2 RURAL CENTER, WHICH IS, UM, YOU KNOW, ALLOWS, YOU KNOW, SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, IT'S NOT TEACHING RURAL, WHICH IS AGRICULTURE.
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OKAY.SORRY, KEVIN, I MISSED, I MISSED WHERE YOU WERE GOING WITH THAT QUESTION.
SO HE COULD PUT A SMALL, HE COULD PUT A SMALL GROCERY STORE THERE, OR SOME SORT OF A CONVENIENCE STORE, CORRECT? YES.
UM, I HAVE QUESTIONED REGARDING, UM, I NOTICED, UM, NINE 11 OVER THERE, UH, ADJACENT ACROSS VENT LANE.
THERE'S ABOUT TWO OR THREE ACRES UP FOR SALE RIGHT NOW.
IS THIS ALL, IS THIS SIMILAR ZONING ALL THE WAY ACROSS? YES.
UM, SO THAT, THAT ADJACENT LOT ACROSS BENT LANE IS ALSO T3 EDGE.
APPARENTLY I KNOW NO OTHER REQUESTS FOR A REZONING.
UM, IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION AND, UM, FOLKS HAVE COME FORWARD TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT OR ZONING APPLICATION AT THAT PROPERTY, BUT NEVER FORMALLY, UM, SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION.
WHAT, WHAT CAN YOU DO WITH TWO, THREE QUID T3 EDGE? WELL, GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU COULD PUT IN THERE WITH T3 ED ZONING.
IT'S LARGELY SINGLE RESIDENTIAL, UM, AT ANY, ANY SERVICE.
I MEAN, THERE ARE A FEW CONDITIONAL USES THAT WOULDN'T REQUIRE A LARGER ACREAGE.
UM, BUT WITH THIS ACREAGE, UM, THE MOST THAT YOU CAN DO IS RESIDENTIAL WITH SOME KIND OF IN-HOME BUSINESS OR OFFICE.
AND WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT TWO HOUSES AT THE MOST OR OVER ONE? UM, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE DENSITY WITH UNDER TWO ACRES OR TWO ACRES IN T3 EDGE.
ROB, DO YOU KNOW, OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD T3 EDGE ALLOWS, UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT A DENSITY IT'S BASED ON LOT SIZE AND THERE'S MINIMUM LOT WIDTH IS 75 FEET.
SO HOW MANY, LOTS OF THOSE DIMENSIONS YOU COULD FIT ON THE PROPERTY? I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE.
THE LENGTH OF THE FRONTAGE, I BELIEVE IS SOMEWHERE LIKE FIVE OR SIX, FIVE OR SIX HOUSES.
IT DEPENDS ON THE DIMENSION OF THE PROPERTY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT HAS ESCAPED TO THE, HOW MUCH FRIENDS TO HAVE ON THE MAY RIVER ROAD.
IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A LITTLE, LITTLE, A LITTLE NORTH OF 250.
SO FOUR HOUSES PROBABLY BE IT'S RECTANGULAR IN SHAPE, AND I'M NOT SURE IF YOU CAN POST THE MATH, UM, THAT WAS SHORT, LIKE A BULLET UP FOR IT.
AND SORT OF THE FRONT FRONTAGE IS MUCH, MUCH LONGER THAN THE DEPTH.
WOULD YOU LIKE THAT AERIAL MAP FOR THE GREAT, THAT LITTLE, UM, THAT LITTLE HALF MOON ROAD THERE IS THAT THE DRIVEWAY FOR THAT HOUSE THERE THAT'S EXISTING, IT MIGHT BE A SEPARATE MAP THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, WHICH ONE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS PARTICULAR, THIS PARTICULAR LOT RUNS BETWEEN, UM, BENTON LANE AND, UM, LITTLE LANE.
THEY'RE BOTH DIRT ROADS, PRETTY MUCH BENTON LANE IS A PAVED ROAD ALL THE WAY BACK.
A COUPLE OF THINGS I MAY COMMENT ON WHILE YOU'RE PULLING THAT UP, NOAH, UM, T3 EDGE, UH, FOR, I BELIEVE DOES HAVE SOME CHURCH IN DAYCARE ALLOWANCE THAT WOULD NOT BE THE INTENT OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
AND JUST TO GIVE COLOR TO SOME OF THE PREFERRED USES THAT WE'VE GIVEN A LOT OF PHONING FOR THE LIBERALS FEDERATION TO WHAT WOULD BE BEST FOR THE AREA AS, AS RESIDENTS HERE, THAT WOULD BE, UH, APPRECIATING SOME OF THE USES THAT WE WOULD HOPE THIS WOULD BE REZONED TO PROVIDE.
BUT, UM, I GUESS, AND LOOKING AT LOW-IMPACT DEVELOPMENT, HAWKING, PERPETUALLY PLEASING DESIGN, NOT DOING A GROCERY STORE OR PUTTING IN A, UH, A FULL SERVICE GAS STATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED UNDER T2, RURAL CENTRAL SPECIALTY SERVICES PROVIDE A NEED
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TO CONSERVE TWO ACRES AS ENOUGH, OR, UH, YOU KNOW, DENTAL OFFICE, LEGAL OFFICE ENGINEERING FARM, UH, THOSE TYPES OF NINE TO FIVE BUSINESSES THAT WOULD DIRECTLY SERVE A PURPOSE TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, 11 TO 16,000 NEW ROOFTOPS COMING OUT OF THE GROUND IN THE NEXT FIVE TO 10 YEARS AFTER WHAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED FOR THE PAST FIVE, FIVE OR EIGHT YEARS TO THE AREA.
SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A CLEAR PUBLIC NEED FOR ADDITIONAL SERVICES, NOT TO HAVE TO DRIVE DOWN TO DOWNTOWN BLUFFTON, UH, ALL THE WAY DOWN THE ROAD OR FOR THOSE SIMILAR SERVICES.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, HAS THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS OF ROD BEFORE WE APPLICANT? IF YOU, CAN YOU MAKE YOUR, MAKE YOUR PROPOSAL, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST READ OFF.
UH, THE DOLLAR GENERAL, WHAT WAS THAT PRIVILEGES ZONE THEN? WHAT IS THE ZONE NOW? HOW FAR AWAY IS IT FROM THAT OF SURE.
SO COMMUNITY, THERE IS A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT MADE UP OF T2 VERBAL SPENCER, AND IT PRETTY MUCH IS CENTERED AROUND THE INTERSECTION OF GIBBET ROADS.
WELL, I GUESS THAT YOU SEE A BIT ON THE ZONING MAP, IT GOES ON FOR ABOUT A HALF A MILE, UM, CENTERED ON THE INTERSECTION OF DIFFERENT ROAD AND THE RIVER ROAD.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE, UH, STATION IS THE DOLLAR GENERAL.
THERE'S SOME OFFICES THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT THERE, ADD THAT PUBLIX AND, UH, BUILDING A HUGE SHOPPING CENTER, UH, RIGHT OFF, RIGHT OFF OF THERE, UH, WITH NUMBER OF STORES GOING IN THAT IN PHILLY, DON'T HAVE TO JOIN ALL THE WAY DOWN TO BLUFFTON, THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON ANYMORE.
AND I BELIEVE THAT, I MEAN, RIGHT NOW THE TRAFFIC DURING RUSH HOUR IS, IS REALLY BACKED UP ON MAY RIVER ROAD APPROACHING, UH, THE CIRCLE OVER THERE.
SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF A LOT OF THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE GOING TO OXIDE, THAT'S NOT PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.
THEY ARE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES, USUALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES FAST FOOD, FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS, GREAT CLUBS, NATIONAL BRAND, UH, FRANCHISES THAT YOU TYPICALLY SEE IN THOSE POWER CENTERS.
AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE NEIGHBORHOOD PROFESSIONAL SERVICE OCCUPANTS THAT WOULD, UH, PROVIDE COUNSELING DENTAL OFFICE, UH, VERY MINIMAL LIGHT MEDICAL, POTENTIALLY, UM, DESIGN ENGINEERING, UH, TYPE FACILITIES.
UM, AND SOMEONE MENTIONED ABOUT THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THE ZONING WAS AND THE HISTORY THERE.
UM, THEY DON'T HAVE THE COMMERCIAL, UH, ZONING THAT, THAT THIS PROPERTY HISTORICALLY HAD.
THEY, UM, THE NOMENCLATURE OF THE ZONING HAS CHANGED THAT I'VE COME TO DISCOVER.
AND SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE PREVIOUS ZONING WAS CALLED, BUT IT WAS NOT, UH, AS EXPANSIVE AND COMMERCIALLY USE AS THIS PROPERTY HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN.
THEY DO CURRENTLY HAVE BUSINESSES RUNNING OUT OF THERE.
THERE WAS AN HPAC, UH, SERVICE BUSINESS IN ONE OF THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES.
UM, THERE IS A TELEPHONE, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S A, IF THE RIGHT TERMINOLOGY OF SWITCHING STATION, BUT THAT IS, UH, AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, ON THE EASTERN BOUNDARY AT THE REAR.
SO THIS, THIS WAS AFFECTED BY THAT REZONING.
FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, THERE WOULD BE RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT OFF BEND LANE.
UH, WHEN YOU GET UP TO THINKING OF SLOWING TRAFFIC DOWN, WHEN YOU GET UP TO GIVE IT ROAD, THE LEFT TURN, THERE CAN BE, YOU KNOW, A LENGTHY, WAIT, THIS WOULD BE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT TO ADDRESS THAT.
AND THE T3 EDGE PROPERTIES YOU WOULD BUSINESSES OPENING UP AS, YOU KNOW, HOME OFFICES
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THROUGHOUT THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.AND YOU'D HAVE TRAFFIC COMING INSTEAD OF BEING, UH, I GUESS, SUPPORTED AT THE MAY RIVER ROAD AREA, TRAFFIC WOULD TURN INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UH, GET A DEEPER, I GUESS, INFILTRATION INTO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO THIS WOULD CERTAINLY BE A BENEFIT TO NOT, NOT HAVE THOSE, UH, BUSINESSES OPERATING WITH TRAFFIC COMING DOWN THE ROAD AND, AND BACKING UP AND THE RESIDENTIAL INJURIES.
THIS IS A VACANT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IT IS, IT, IT HAS A HISTORIC, IT HAS HAD A STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY IN THE PAST.
THERE'S AN EXISTING, WELL, UM, THERE, UH, THE, THE, THE STRUCTURE BURNED DOWN.
WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS ARE SAYING ABOUT WE GO, WELL, THEN THE NEIGHBORS HAVE A CONCERN OR IS IT SOME DOING SOME DON'T WHAT, WHAT'S THE SCENT YOU GUYS, AGAIN, I'VE SPOKEN WITH, UH, TWO ADJOINING NEIGHBORS, BOTH HAVE BEEN IN SUPPORT.
UM, I HAVE NOT SEEN THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION.
SO, UM, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY NEGATIVE COMMENTS AT THIS POINT, BUT YOU, UM, AT THIS POINT, UM, WOULD YOU CARE TO MAKE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ON YOUR APPLICATION? UH, YEAH, I THINK IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WE GAVE A LOT OF CAREFUL THOUGHT AND CONSIDERATION TO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO, AND I GUESS THERE ARE DIFFERENT DEGREES OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WE COULD HAVE REQUESTED.
AND IN CONVERSATION WITH ROB, I FELT LIKE THE TAKEAWAY FROM ME WAS, UH, WE WANTED TO DO AS LOW OF AN IMPACT, BUT COMMERCIAL USE TO SERVICE THE NEED OF THE SURROUNDING PUBLIC.
AND SO, UM, HOPEFULLY THAT, THAT IS RECEIVED POSITIVELY BY THE COMMISSION TO, UH, TO GRANT THIS SPOT ZONING APPROVAL, ENVIRONMENTAL.
UM, YEAH, SO WE, UH, CERTAINLY HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, IF THERE'S ANY, ANYTHING ELSE THAT I CAN ADDRESS, I'D LOVE TO ADDRESS ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
UM, THAT SAID PATH IS, UM, WE DID RECEIVE FOUR EMAILS FROM CONCERNED CITIZENS IN THE AREA CAN'T IDENTIFY EXACTLY WHERE THEY WERE LOCATED.
UM, THEY, CEDAR LAKE LANE IS, IS CITED BY TWO OF THEM.
UM, AND THE CEDAR LAKE AREA HOMEOWNERS IN THE CEDAR LAKE AREA IS CITED IN THE OTHER, MR. CHAIRMAN, I RECEIVED ALL OF THOSE EMAILS.
I BELIEVE FOUR OF THESE EMAILS ARE FROM CEDAR LAKES RESIDENTS.
AND WHAT IS, WHERE IS C WHAT IS THE AREA CALLED CEDAR LAKE? IS THAT, THAT WHOLE CARD? IT'S UM, IT'S DIRECTLY.
IT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS MAY RIVER ROAD.
SO I'LL TRY TO ZOOM IN HERE FOR YOU QUICKLY.
SO, UM, IF YOU'RE COMING FROM THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE DOWN MAY RIVER ROAD TOWARDS BENTON LANE, UM, C LANE, IT WILL BE ON YOUR LEFT BEFORE BEN LANE, AND THEN IT KIND OF WHINES THROUGH TO A CUL-DE-SAC.
AND SO SEVERAL PRODUCTS THERE'S ARE, THERE'S A BUFFER BETWEEN THE ROAD.
AND SO MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT SEVERAL PROPERTY OWNERS ARE REASONABLY ESTIMATE.
RIVER ROAD ARE THOSE, UH, EMAILS THAT WE GOT FROM RESIDENTS WHO HAVE, BUT MAY RIVER ROAD, UH, LOOKING OVER AT THIS PROPOSAL, I BELIEVE, I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF THE PROPERTIES FRONT MAY RIVER ROAD AND WOULD BE LOOKING.
AND I THINK THERE'S TREE BUFFER BETWEEN I'M NOT 100%, I'VE INVITED ALL THOSE WHO DID COMMENT VIA EMAIL TO ALSO SPEAK TONIGHT.
I'M NOT SURE IF ANY OF THEM ARE HERE.
I MEAN, YOU CAN ASK FOR COMMENT, WHATEVER, WHATEVER IT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE, BUT ALL RIGHT.
WELL, WHY DON'T WE ASK TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY COMMENTS FROM THE CITIZENS? CAN YOU HEAR US? HELLO? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.
UM, UH, MY NAME'S CAMERON, I'M HERE WITH BUDDY DECKER WHO OWNS THREE BITTEN LANE, WHICH YOU ALL HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
SO HE WANTED TO DO A CHIME IN HERE IN HIS SUPPORT FOR A REZONING OF THE ACREAGE THAT RUNS RIGHT ALONG 46.
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DUE TO THE JUST TRAFFIC COUNT.I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HAVE RECENT TRAFFIC COUNTS THAT, UH, THE MOST RECENT TRAFFIC COUNTS THAT WE FOUND WERE 15,000 CARS A DAY OR MORE BY NOW.
AND, UM, IT'S, IT ONLY MAKES SENSE.
AND I THINK THE RURAL CENTER APPROACH IS THE WAY TO GO, BUDDY.
DID YOU WANT HIM? YEAH, I'VE BEEN HERE, UH, ABOUT 22 YEARS ON THIS PROPERTY AND THAT LOTS OF VACANT.
I ACTUALLY REMEMBER WHEN THAT BUILDING DID BURN DOWN.
IT WAS, UH, IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T INHABITABLE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, BUT RIGHT NOW, WHAT, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, I DO SUPPORT THAT, UH, QUITE A BIT FOR SOMETHING GETTING PUT IN OVER THERE RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE A YOUNG KIDS ON DIRT BIKES, UH, UH, PEOPLE OVER THERE PARTYING, UH, AT NIGHT, UM, STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S, UH, IT'S NOT GOING TO BOTHER.
I DON'T SEE WHAT'S GOING TO BOTHER ANYTHING.
I THINK IT'S GOT BENEFIT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY AND, UH, BY OTHER NEIGHBOR WHO LIVES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF BENTON LANE, FOR ME ALSO, UH, JOINS UP TO THIS PROPERTY.
HE HAD TO LEAD, HE WAS OVER HERE, BUT HE ACTUALLY SUPPORTS IT TOO.
HE SAYS, IT'D BE A GREAT IDEA.
UM, UH, SO I JUST KINDA WANTED TO PUT MY 2 CENTS IN AND SAY, I, I DO SUPPORT THIS HIGHLY AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT IT'S VERY VISIBLE TO MY PROPERTY.
AND, UH, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BOTHER ME A BIT.
I THINK I'VE GOT A BENEFIT FROM IT.
UH, MY NAME'S CORRECT, JOHN, GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.
UM, UH, AN OWNER OF THE PROPOSED AMENDED PROPERTY.
AND, UH, WHAT BUDDY'S SAYING MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
I, TWO, THREE TIMES A YEAR, I, I VISIT THE PROPERTY.
I CLEAN IT AND THE MAJORITY OF WHAT I'M PICKING UP AND BAGGING AND FALLING OFF ARE BEER CANS AND LIQUOR BOTTLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UH, WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO ADD VALUE.
WE WANT TO PUT SOMETHING THERE THAT WILL LOOK NICE AND WILL NOT BE FRANCHISEE, AND IT WILL BE USEFUL TO THE COMMUNITY BANKS.
I MIGHT ALSO A FURTHER ONE COMMENT TO ADDRESS THE CONCERN ABOUT THE, UH, NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET AND THE CEDAR LAKE LANE.
THERE IS A, A BERM, UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WHAT DID BUFFER NOAH AND THOSE HOMES? THEY DON'T FACE MAY RIVER ROAD.
THEY FACE THE CEDAR LANE OR CEDAR LAKES.
ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS TO ANYONE FURTHER COMMENTS? YEAH, I HAVE ANOTHER, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR THE OWNERS.
UM, SO LOOKING AT IT NOW, IT LOOKS TO ME THAT WHAT YOU GUYS ARE KIND OF THINKING OF IS SOME KIND OF, UM, MANY, UM, PROFESSIONAL, UM, PROFESSIONAL OFFICES IN, IN LIKE A MINI STRIP MALL, LIKE WHERE THE BUILDING WOULD BE IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THE PARKING WOULD BE IN THE FRONT ARMS STRIP MALL WITH THE WEED.
WE DON'T LIKE THAT TERMINOLOGY.
NO, NO, I, I, I IT'S, FOR LACK OF ANY OTHER WORD, BUT BUILDING IN THE BACK, THE PARKING IN THE FRONT AND YOU WOULD ENTER ON MAY RIVER ROAD, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING? CORRECT.
BUT THEY WOULD BE ENOUGH BUFFER IN THE BACK TO, TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE REAR ADJOINING NEIGHBORS AND TO ALSO ALLOW FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE EXAMPLES THAT, THAT WE'VE JUST CONCEPTUALLY THOUGHT UP, BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THE POINT TO, TO SUBMIT, BUT I THINK, UH, YOU'RE ON, YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT VEIN OF WHAT WE'RE.
UM, AND, AND I'M NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO THAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT, BUT I WILL STATE WHAT MY ISSUE IS.
MY ISSUE IS IF WE DID THIS, THIS WOULD BE SPOT ZONING AND THAT, AND I CAN GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO MY DAYS, UM, ON TOWN COUNCIL WHEN I WAS IN NEW YORK, UM, THAT IS, THAT IS JUST A NO-NO THAT IS KIND OF LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE PLANNING WORLD, LIKE WHERE ROBERT LIVES AND ALL THAT, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY, REALLY FROWNED UPON.
AND IT'S, IT'S A PRECEDENT THAT WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO SET.
UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK WHAT THE EXISTING ZONING, YOU, YOU CAN'T PUT SOMETHING CLOSE TO WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IN THERE.
I'M, I'M KIND OF A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED.
YOU COULD DO THERE UNDER THE EXISTENCE.
PROBABLY LET ROB SPEAK TO THAT.
I THINK FROM, OKAY, WELL, I WANTED TO JUST SPEAK REAL QUICK
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TO THE SPOT SONY ISSUE BECAUSE YES, NORMALLY THAT IS WHAT IT'S ONE STANDALONE PARCEL REQUESTING RESET TO A DISTRICT THAT IS NOT SURROUNDING IT.THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE TYPICALLY ENTERTAIN.
THERE IS A SITUATION HERE WHERE THIS PROPERTY IN, I BELIEVE IN 97 OR 98, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT YEAR THEY MADE.
THEY WENT BEFORE OUR PLANNING COMMISSION IN ITS FORM BACK THEN AND REQUESTED AN EPISODE IN TWO INSISTS AGO THAT CARRIED THROUGH ONE ORDINANCE AND THEY MADE AN ATTEMPT TWICE.
YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY GOT A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, SO THERE IS A HISTORY ON THE SITE OF IT BEING ZONED COMMERCIAL.
SO THAT, THAT IS ONE FACTOR THAT I THINK IS SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT PRECEDENT, I'M NOT SAYING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT THIS, THAT DOES MAKE THIS PROPERTY KIND OF STAND OUT AS NOT BEING JUST A RANDOM PROPERTY IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT'S LOOSE REQUESTING.
UM, SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING FOR THIS PLANNING COMMISSIONER TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
THE CURRENT ZONING DISTRICT OF THE PROPERTY T3 EDGE IS ALMOST ENTIRELY LOW DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, YOU KNOW, AND I, AND I'D MENTIONED IT ALLOWS SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES ON A MINIMUM 75 BY 150 FOOT LOT.
THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL USES SUCH AS FAMILY DAYCARE, HOME OCCUPATION.
I THINK IF IT ALLOWS FOR SMALL CHURCHES UNDER 15,000 SQUARE FEET, BUT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE EXTENT OF WHAT THAT DISTRICT ALLOWS.
SO OFFICES, ANY KIND OF RETAIL ARE NOT PERMITTED.
IT SAYS RETAIL AND LIGHT LIMITED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IN T3 EDGE.
NO, I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TEETH IS A DISTINCTION HERE.
I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE DISTINCTION HERE BECAUSE THERE IS SOME MIXED USE IN BOTH.
UM, AND IT APPEARS THAT THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS NOT ENCOURAGED AND THE T2 RURAL, BUT DOES HAVE A LIMITED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
AND I MEAN, THE DISTINCTION IS I'M LOST ON A LITTLE BIT HERE IN THE FACT THAT IT'S, IT'S GOING BACK AND FORTH OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DECADES IS ALSO ADDS TO THE, UH, COMPLEXITY AND CONFUSION.
WELL, THE CURRENT ZONING AT THE PRO THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY SIRENS.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED T3 EDGE, AND THEY'RE REQUESTING T2 RURAL CENTER, WHICH IS, UM, A MIXED USE RURAL DISTRICT THAT ALLOWS A FAIRLY GENEROUS AMOUNT OF RETAIL SERVICE AND SMALL SCALE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
UH, COULD I SPEAK UP A LITTLE BIT, BUDDY, BUDDY DECKER, THE OWNER OF LOT THREE, RIGHT BESIDE IT.
UH, WHERE WHERE'S LIKE THREE, IS IT TO THE, I'M LOOKING AT A MAP HERE, IS IT TO THE LEFT OR THE RIGHT OF THE MINDICH REQUEST? IT'S RIGHT ACROSS BENTON LANE FROM THE LAW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I HEAR A LOT OF TALKING ABOUT A RURAL ROAD WHEN I MOVED HERE 20 SOME YEARS AGO.
IT WAS DEFINITELY A RURAL ROAD, BUT IT'S NOT ANYMORE.
IT'S DEFINITELY NOT A RURAL ROAD.
UM, AND HAD THESE LOTS OUT FRONT.
WHO'S GONNA WANT TO BUILD A HOUSE ON HIM.
UM, BUT THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GONE BY HERE EVERY DAY.
UM, THERE'S JUST A, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A LOT OVER HERE, UH, WHO THAT I'VE HAD FOR 20 SOMETHING YEARS THAT, UM, NOBODY'S GONNA WANT TO PUT A HOUSE ON THAT.
WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THIS PROPERTY? AND WHAT ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO DO? THERE IS, I MEAN, IT, IT BENEFITS THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS TRAFFIC FLOW.
THAT'S COMING BY HERE ANYMORE.
I MEAN, WHEN I LIVED OUT HERE, KIDS WERE PLAYING BASKETBALL ON THIS ROAD OUT HERE.
NOW YOU CAN BARELY PULL UP, YOU KNOW? UM, IT'S JUST A LOT OF TRAFFIC HERE AND I, I THINK IT'D BE GOOD FOR THE WHOLE WHOLE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD MYSELF.
THIS IS SILVER, RIGHT? ROBERT, THIS AREA HERE IS SEWER.
I'M NOT CERTAIN WHETHER THIS PARTICULAR
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PROPERTY, UM, AND IT WOULD BE FOR JASPER IS A PROCESS OF EXTENDING THAT.I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WATER OR SEWER.
I THINK CURRENTLY IT ENDS UP GIVE IT, AND YOU CAN, WE, WE, WE, WE, THIS IS, IF THIS IS NOT SEWER, THIS IS SEPTIC.
I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION.
YOU DON'T HAVE THAT INFO, YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOUP ANY AREA THAT, WHETHER IT SERVES THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UM, I, I BELIEVE WITH THE, UH, CITIZEN THAT SPOKE UP, I'VE ALSO BEEN HERE FOR 20 YEARS.
UH, THIS IS NO LONGER DESIRABLE, PRETTY CHOCOLATE PLATE KICKBALL IN THE FRONT YARD ON MAY RIVER ROAD.
AND, UH, ALTERNATIVE ZONING I THINK IS, UH, APPROPRIATE.
I ALSO REALLY AGREE WITH FRANK ON SEVERAL COMMENTS THAT HE MADE, UH, AND KEVIN, EXCUSE ME, GIVEN, UH, NUMBER ONE, PARKING IN FRONT, A NUMBER TWO SEWER.
SO IF THERE IS A WAY ROB, WHERE WE CAN GET, IT CAN BE BUILT BECAUSE I COULD, ONCE WE DO THAT SPOT ZONING, THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE OF THIS GOING RIGHT ON DOWN THE ROAD, FURTHER WEST.
AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT AS LONG AS IT'S DONE CORRECTLY.
AND I DON'T THINK PUTTING A BUNCH OF CARS IN THE FRONT OF THE ROAD AND PUTTING THINGS ON SEPTIC TANK IS CORRECT.
SO IF THOSE TWO THINGS CAN BE, UH, CAN BE, UM, UH, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CURED OR MADE IT A CARD OF, OF WHAT HAPPENING THERE, THAT AREA SOONER OR LATER, THE ONE GUY AFTER THE NEXT GUY, AFTER THE NEXT GUY IS GOING TO BE, BECOME INTO THE COMPLAINANT'S COMMISSION AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
SO WE NEED TO APPROVE IT CORRECTLY AND NOT JUST MANDATORY HOMES ON THAT ROAD.
I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK A QUESTION THAT, UM, THE CEDAR LAKES OVER HERE HAVE SEPTIC, OR ARE THEY ALL ON A, I'M SORRY, DO THEY HAVE PUBLIC SEWAGE OR ARE THEY ALL ON SEPTIC? I WOULD THINK THEY'RE ON SEPTIC.
THERE ARE, THERE IS DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA.
YOU KNOW, WE HAD A TOWNHOUSE COMPLEX IN PRICHARD, PHIL ELEMENTARY.
IT'S TYPICAL IN BUFORD COUNTY, THE OLDER, LOWER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT WHO'S BUILT ON SEPTIC.
AND THEN THE HYDROGEN SEAT STUFF HAS COME IN AND BUILD ON SEWER.
WELL, DOLLAR GENERAL HAS SO CORRECT.
AND THERE, THERE IS A LOT OF LION COMING DOWN THROUGH HERE BECAUSE I'VE BEEN NOTIFIED OF THAT.
THEY ACTUALLY WANTED TO USE MY PROPERTY.
UM, THE SEWAGE CAN'T BE TOO FAR FROM HERE.
I KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT DEFINITELY CAN'T BE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE PUBLICS AND ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GONE ON OUT HERE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.
UM, I'M SURE THERE'S, THE SEWAGE IS VERY POSTED.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME, WHICH WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO.
AND I DON'T WANT TO JUMP THE GUN HERE, BUT I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS FOR 30 DAYS UNTIL WE CAN GET A COUPLE OF THESE QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
UM, CAUSE I AGREE WITH RANDOLPH.
UM, I, I'M PROBABLY GOING TO BE OKAY WITH THIS, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION AT THE RIGHT TIME WITH THE RIGHT INFORMATION.
I DON'T WANT TO GUESS TAKE THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE ANSWERED AS PART ON TABLING.
WELL THE QUESTIONS WOULD BE A BORDER SEWER.
AND WHAT WAS THE THIRD ONE AGAIN? I RAN OFF ABOUT THE PARK INSTEAD OF, UH, INSTEAD OF CORRECTLY BEHIND THE BUILDINGS AND BUFFERED FROM THE RESIDENTIAL.
WELL HE ALREADY, THE OWNER SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO THAT.
THEY WERE GOING TO BUFFER THE BACK.
I GOT ON PARK IN FRONT OF CLARK IN FRONT AND HAVE A
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BUFFER IN THE BACK.I THINK THE PARKING SHOULD BE IN THE REAR WITH A BUFFER ACTUALLY THAT THE T2 RURAL CENTER DISTRICT REQUIRES AT THE SIDE OR REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
SO CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? JUST A LITTLE BIT? YES.
YOU BROKE UP T2 RURAL CENTER REQUIRES THE PARKING TO BE AT THE SIDE OR REAR OF THE BUILDING.
EXAMPLE WOULD BE IN FRONT OF STOCKPILE DOWNTOWN, RIGHT.
SO, SO THE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE PARKING HAS THAT ISSUE WOULD BE ADDRESSED BY THE ZONING, BY THE ZONING.
WE'D BE FORCED TO GO REAR OR SIDE WITH THE BUFFALO CURB, STUART, UM, WATER.
WE KNOW THAT THAT'S ON ITS WAY, THAT'S ON ITS WAY.
AND IN TERMS OF SEWER, UH, WE CAN DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S ON SITE AND, UH, ABLE TO TIE INTO THIS PROPERTY.
OR I GUESS THE, IF IT WENT SEPTIC, IT WOULD JUST BE EXTREMELY LIMITED IN WHAT COULD BE BUILT.
AND I, YOU KNOW, IN ALL HONESTY, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO GO SEWER.
WE KNOW THE SEWER PALMETTO POINT AND WE KNOW THERE'S SEWER OVER BY, UM, DOLLAR GENERAL.
SO A COUPLE OF HUNDRED FEET ON EITHER SIDE OF YOU.
I, I THINK WE WANT TO KNOW THAT BEING SAID WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE SEWER, IF WE HAVE A PUBLIC SEWER, THEN THAT WOULD ONLY INCREASE THE IMPACT THAT WE COULD HAVE IF IT WERE, IF IT WERE NOT AVAILABLE AND WE HAD TO GET THE SEPTIC ROUTE, THEN THAT WOULD PROBABLY, THAT WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY LESS OF AN IMPACT.
AND, AND, UM, CERTAINLY BE LESS OF A CONCERN IN TERMS OF WHAT WE WOULD PUT ON THE PROPERTY BECAUSE OF SEPTIC FIELD AND ALL THAT.
SO WITH THAT, I'D LOVE TO TALK THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERNS AND NOT BELABOR TO COMMISSIONS TIME ON OTHER OTHER FUTURE.
I KNOW WE WANT TO GET THIS RIGHT.
UM, BUT THIS IS ONE OF THE, THIS IS ONE OF THE SITES I DON'T KNOW OF ANOTHER SITE SPEAKING TO THE SPOT ZONING CONCERN OF, IF WE ALLOW THIS, WE'RE GOING TO SEE SUBSEQUENT, UH, I GUESS A COPYCAT SPOT ZONING.
THIS, THIS SIDE IS UNIQUE AS ROB POINTED OUT IN THE SENSE THAT IT HAD THE COMMERCIAL ZONING PRIOR TO WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, THAT WAS MORE INTENSE THAN WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING AT THIS POINT.
AND IT IS SERVICING THAT PUBLIC NEED AS THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE SUPPORTED.
UM, KEVIN, DO YOU WANT TO WITHDRAW YOUR TABLING MOTION? WELL, YEAH, PROBABLY, BUT I, I'M NOT SURE I WANT TO APPROVE ANY KIND OF COMMERCIAL IN ON MAY RIVER ROAD ON A SEPTIC.
THAT'S REALLY WHAT MY ISSUE IS BECAUSE OF THE RIVER.
UM, THAT'S WHAT MY CONCERN IS.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, I'M NOT LOOKING TO, UM, TO SLOW YOU GUYS DOWN OR, OR, OR DREAD YOU THROUGH SOME LONG BUREAUCRATIC, UM, UH, SHENANIGANS HERE.
UM, I WONDER, YOU KNOW, CAN WE QUICKLY GET AN ANSWER ON THIS ROB, UM, ON WHAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THE DISORDERED DISTRICT? NUMBER ONE? AND NUMBER TWO IS IF THEY'RE NOT, WHAT'S INVOLVED WITH EXTENDING IT, WHAT LOOKS TO BE A COUPLE OF HUNDRED FEET ANYWAY? RIGHT.
WELL, I CAN TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON MYSELF.
I'M A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, UH, FORMERLY, UH, FROM NORTH CAROLINA, BUT I'VE DEDICATED 18 YEARS OF MY PROFESSIONAL LIFE TO STORMWATER ENGINEERING AND, UH, AM VERY MUCH IN TUNE AND HAVE WORKED WITH THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON STORMWATER DEPARTMENT ON THEIR PROCESSES FOR THEIR NIP USE PERMIT AND THE PROCESSES FOR STORMWATER RUNOFF, WHICH WOULD TIE INTO THE CONCERNS RELATED TO ANY ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT THAT, UH, THAT THE SEPTIC WOULD CREATE.
THERE ARE A LOT OF LOW, LOWER GROUND AREAS THAT ARE SURROUNDING THIS PROPERTY.
AND CERTAINLY WON'T, WOULDN'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING TO JEOPARDIZE THE QUALITY OF THE MAY RIVER WATERSHED.
SO, UH, IN, IN SAYING THAT THAT'S BEEN CAREFULLY CONSIDERED AS WELL, AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN SEPTIC ON THE PROPERTY HISTORICALLY.
UM, I THINK THAT I'M WAITING TO FIND OUT OR, OR TRYING TO DISCOVER WHETHER OR
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NOT WE COULD TIE INTO THE EXISTING SEWER, UH, WOULD ONLY INCREASE THE, UH, I GUESS THE, THE SIZE OF THE COMMERCIAL FACILITY THAT WE PUT ON THAT.AND THAT WOULD HAVE A, UH, AN ALTERNATE IMPACT ON THE STORMWATER, THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE REQUIREMENT THAT WE WOULD, UH, HAVE TO ADDRESS FROM A STORMWATER STANDPOINT AND STORMWATER RUNOFF IS A MUCH GREATER, UH, DEGRADATION OF WATER QUALITY TO THE NEIGHBOR WATERSHED AND THEN ASEPTIC FACILITIES.
HAVE YOU HAD ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON REGARDING THE ISSUES ALONG THE RIVER ROAD THERE? I MEAN, THE POLLUTION OF THE MAY RIVER IS A SERIOUS, SERIOUS ISSUE AS A RESULT OF A LARGE PART BECAUSE OF THE SEPTIC SYSTEMS, UM, IN THAT AREA, ANY DISCUSSIONS AT ALL, I HAVE, I OWN A COMPANY CALLED A QUALIS OR REALLY CALLED RESTORATION AND RECOVERY.
AND WE HAVE AN EVERGREEN AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON.
WE PERFORM ALL OF THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON STORMWATER INSPECTIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED UNDER THEIR MS FOUR PERMIT, UH, WHICH IS PART OF THE BEAVER COUNTY, UH, MS. FOUR PERMIT.
AND WITH THAT, UM, I'M VERY MUCH, UH, IN THE KNOW ON, ON WHAT THE RUNOFF REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON, WHAT THE CURRENT, UH, ENFORCEMENT IS OF THOSE FACILITIES AND, UH, HAVE AN INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE OF EVERY INSPECTION THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE TOWN AND NOTIFY THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE IN VIOLATION OF THOSE.
HAVE YOU, UH, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE, THE RECENT SEOUL LOCO REGIONAL STORM WATER DESIGN? I HAVE NOT.
THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON HAS AGREED TO IT, RIGHT.
DON'T TAKE A LOOK AT IT CAUSE IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE, UM, SO ONE MORE STRINGENT AND DEFINITIVE SUDDENLY WAYS, BUT THE CALCULATIONS ARE DIFFERENT, ET CETERA.
BUT, BUT FOR, FOR, FOR THAT REQUIREMENT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CALCULATES FOR THE RUNOFF RATES OF THE 10 YEAR AND THE 25 YEAR, THOSE ARE, UH, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'VE ADJUSTED THE, THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD REQUIREMENTS, BUT I'VE WORKED WITH BILL BAUER OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS WHO AND KEN JONES AS WELL, WHO'S NOW WITH THE COUNTY, BUT, UM, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESSES THERE, BUT WITH WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING WITH THE SITE AND THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, WE WOULD BE CONSIDERABLY UNDER ANY, UH, RUNOFF RATES THAT WOULD CREATE AN IMPACT TO FLOOD CONTROL OR WATER QUALITY DEGRADATION.
THIS IS A TWO ACRE SITE AND IT WOULD BE LARGELY PERVIOUS.
UM, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
WHAT A COMMISSIONER CAN MAKE A MOTION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS ASSEMBLY I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THEIR REQUEST BASED ON, UM, SUPPORT OF THE STAFF AND THE SPOT ZONING ISSUE.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THEIR POINT OF VIEW ABOUT IT BEING UNIQUE, BUT IT CERTAINLY IS NOT A UNIQUE SITUATION ON ST.
HELENA ISLAND, UM, WITH PROPERTIES FACING HIGHWAY 21.
AND WE IN THE COUNTY AND MANY CITIZENS COMMITTEES HAVE SPENT PROBABLY THE LAST FIVE YEARS IN DEVELOPING THESE CODES TO, UM, HAVE RURAL CENTERS CONGESTED AND, AND TO AVOID THE EXACT SITUATION THAT IS COMING BEFORE US.
I THINK THESE FOLKS FEEL LIKE THEY'RE IN GREAT FAITH, BUT, UM, I REALLY WANT TO SUPPORT THE STAFF AND, AND WOULD, UM, MY MOTION WOULD BE TO DENY.
OKAY, DO I HAVE A SECOND KEVIN SECONDS? IT ALL RIGHT.
I'M GOING TO TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE STARTING YOU RANDOLPH.
UM, HOW DO YOU VOTE ON THE MOTION TO DENY? OH, SORRY.
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I'M NOT HEARING IT ONE FOR, YES.MR.
THE MOTION IS TO DENY THE AMENDMENT REZONING REQUESTS ON THE 2.08.
SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE YESES, ONE, TWO, THREE NOS.
UH, THE MOTION DIDN'T DENY IT CARRIES.
SO YEAH, THAT ISSUE IS A MOVE ON.
UH, WE'RE INTO A DISCUSSION ITEMS,
[10. BEAUFORT COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE]
BUFORD COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE, ROB.I KNOW WE'RE, UH, IT'S SPENT A LONG MEETING.
UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH DESIGN WORKSHOPS.
WE RECEIVED A DRAFT FROM THEM.
AND SO OUR GOAL OVER THE NEXT MONTH TO, FOR STAFF TO, TO WORK HARD ON MAKING SURE THIS DRAFT IS WHERE WE WANT IT.
AND THEN, SO I THINK THE EARLIEST THAT I ANTICIPATE THIS COMING FORWARDS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD BE SOMETIME IN THE MIDDLE OF MARCH AND WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND AND DO EITHER AT A SPECIAL MEETING, OR IF YOU WANT TO DEVOTE SOME TIME, I'M GOING TO WRITE UP TO FROM THE BEGINNING TO END AND EXPLAIN ENSIGN AND ALL THE ELEMENTS AND HOW IT'S ORGANIZED.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MY REQUESTS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS THAT YOU COME UP WITH A METHOD OF REVIEWING THE PLAN THAT YOU FEEL IS, IS BEST FOR YOU.
YOU KNOW, THAT WHETHER YOU HAVE A SERIES OF SPECIAL MEETINGS TO GO OVER A GROUP OF CHAPTERS AT A TIME, OR, YOU KNOW, BUT, UM, SO THAT'S BASICALLY, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE EARLIEST, MID-MARCH HAVING A DRAFT TO YOU.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE A KICKOFF WITH A WALKTHROUGH AND THEN I GUESS, YOU KNOW, TOSS THEM ALL OVER TO YOU AND THEN HAVE YOU REVIEW IT AND, UH, GO FROM THERE, UH, COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS BY HAVE A COMMENT.
UH, ROB, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO RELEASE A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME OF YOUR GIRAFFE RATHER THAN GIVING US THE WHOLE DRAFT AT ONE TIME? WELL, I MEAN, OUR GOAL IS TO RELEASE THE WHOLE DOCUMENT.
AND I THINK AT THAT POINT, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTS TO ADDRESS ONE PORTION AT A TIME, YOU KNOW, HAVE A SERIES OF MEETINGS THAT CERTAINLY UP TO, TO, YOU KNOW, TO DISCRETION OF THE COMMISSION.
BUT THE DOCUMENT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO PULL APART INTO SECTIONS.
THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES, STOMACH IT'S INTERRELATED.
UM, MY, MY, UM, CONCERN WOULD BE TO GET IT SOONER THAN LATER.
SO TO THE EXTENT THAT WE MIGHT MISS, UM, THE DATE THAT WE HAVE OUR NORMAL FIRST MONDAY COMMISSION MEETING, BUT GET IT PERHAPS A WEEK OR SO LATER, UM, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE CONSIDER HAVING A SPECIAL MEETING.
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AND AT THAT POINT WE DISSECT WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T, AND WE HAVE AND WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T REVIEW.MAYBE, MAYBE IT TAKES MORE THAN, THAN ONE SESSION.
I CERTAINLY THINK IT WILL, BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE DOCUMENT, I ANTICIPATE JUST LIKE WE HAD TO DO WITH IMPACT FEES AND OTHER ISSUES OF COMPLEX NATURE.
SO, UM, I WOULD THINK A THOROUGH, A REVIEW MALKAI MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS POTENTIALLY, AND POTENTIALLY A ONE OR TWO SPECIAL MEETINGS WOULD BE AN ORDER.
DOES THAT MAKE ANY COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT.
LET ME, LET ME, LET ME SUGGEST ROB, THAT, UM, YOU CONSIDER, UM, THE TIMING FOR A SPECIAL MEETING, UH, THAT WE COULD HAVE, UH, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND, AND, AND ITS AVAILABILITY IN MARCH.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT NEXT STEP FOR US.
I DO THINK IT'S INFRINGEMENT THAT IT, SINCE THIS IS A PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY, WE FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE HAND OVER TO COUNTY COUNCIL IS IN TERMS OF OUR RECOMMENDATION.
DOES THAT MEAN EVERYBODY'S ANYBODY HAVE AN OBJECTION TO THAT? OKAY.
IF NOT, I'M GOING TO MOVE ON TO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WANT TO BRING UP.
SO PLEASE, UM, BEAR WITH ME FOR A MINUTE.
WE HAD NOT, AS WE WERE SCHEDULED TO, WE HAD NOT REVIEWED THE 20, 21 MEETING SCHEDULE.
UM, I WILL ASK THAT, UM, IF WE RE SENT OUT TO YOU TO BE SURE YOU GOT IT AND FILED IT, UM, JUST FOR GENERAL INFORMATION, UM, IT'S EVERY MONDAY OF THE FIRST, FIRST, MONDAY OF EVERY MONTH, EXCEPT MONTH OF SEPTEMBER, AND IT'S ON A THURSDAY, THE NINTH.
NOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUR ATTENDANCE BE AS HIGH AS WE CAN GET IT, UM, FOR EVERY MEETING.
SO ADVANCED MARKING OF YOUR CALENDAR WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
UM, WE WILL, ALL THESE MEETINGS ARE SCHEDULED TO BE HELD AT, UH, COUNCIL CHAMBERS, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LONGER WE'LL GO WITH VIRTUAL.
I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY WE'LL CONTINUE IT FOR SOME TIME.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW ANY EVENT, UM, THE FAMILIAR WITH THE SCHEDULE AND PLEASE BE AWARE OF IT WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR PLANS.
UM, I ALSO WANT TO MAKE A PITCH FOR GETTING AS MUCH TRAINING AS YOU CAN THIS YEAR IN TERMS OF THE REQUIREMENTS, GETTING IT IN EARLY, UH, AS WE RUN OUT OF TIME AS WE, IF WE PLAN IT FOR THE LAST PART OF THE YEAR.
UM, AND SOMETIMES, UM, WE WANT TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE'VE MISSED IT.
THERE IS A STRAINING SCHEDULE, UM, AVAILABLE TO YOU.
UH, DIANE SENT OUT A MEMO BACK IN OCTOBER.
WE CAN SEND IT OUT AGAIN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IT, THAT REALLY GOES INTO THE SOUTH CAROLINA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES WEBSITE.
AND YOU CAN IDENTIFY IN THERE THE TYPES OF, UH, COURSES THAT ARE AVAILABLE AND SCHEDULED FOR PLANNING COMMISSIONS.
SO PLEASE AVAIL YOURSELF TO THAT WEBSITE.
AND LIKE I SAY, IF, IF YOU NEED ANOTHER, UM, REMINDER OF IT, UM, DIANE HAS THAT INFORMATION AND CAN DISTRIBUTE IT.
[11. CHAIRMAN’S REPORT]
LAST TIME, UH, ACCORDING TO ARTICLE FIVE ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY, THE, UH, COMMISSION IS, UM, IS DIRECTED TO ELECT A CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR EVERY TWO YEARS.UH, IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS AGO THAT BOB SUMMER AND RANDOLPH, I STILL WERE OR IDENTIFIED OUR ELECTED CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.
I TOOK OVER FROM BOB IN OCTOBER OF 2019.
SO I WAS FEELING PROUD FOR HIS TERM, BUT, UH, THOSE TERMS ARE NOW, UM, EXHAUSTED.
AND SO WE HAVE AN OPTION TONIGHT.
WE CAN TAKE A VOTE FOR ELECTING OUR CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR, OR WE CAN TABLE IT UNTIL NEXT MONTH'S MEETING.
UH, SO YOU CAN GET FURTHER THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU'D LIKE TO SERVE IN ONE OF THOSE POSITIONS OR NOMINATE SOMEONE TO SERVE IN THOSE POSITIONS.
WHAT IS THE PREFERENCE OF THE COMMISSION, MR. PAPPAS? I NOMINATE YOU TO REMAIN AS CHAIR.
I, I HEARD DENOMINATION, SO I TAKE IT.
YOU WANT TO DO IT NOW? ALL RIGHT.
UH, THERE'S THERE A SECOND FOR THAT?
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MY SECOND IS KEVIN SECOND.UM, LET'S SEE, HOW CAN I, DO I TAKE ANOTHER ROLL CALL VOTE? WELL, YOU HAVE TO ANSWER, WELL, NO, I'M GOING TO TAKE A ROLL CALL JUST SO WE DO THIS PROPERLY.
WELL, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR VOTE OF CONFIDENCE AND I'LL DO MY BEST TO SERVE US FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
WOULD YOU LIKE HERE TO SAY ANYTHING REGARDING THAT? YES.
I'D LIKE TO SAY, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION.
IT'S BEEN A GOOD MEETING AND, UM, I REALLY ENJOYED SERVING THE PUBLIC IN NUMEROUS WAYS.
I CAN'T SAY THAT I WILL BE ON THE COMMISSION FOR TWO MORE YEARS.
I HAVE PERSONAL THINGS INVOLVED IN THE BUSINESS, THINGS INVOLVED.
SO THERE THAT MAY COME TO PLAY.
SO IF IT'S SO PLEASES THE COMMISSION FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO TAKE THE VICE CHAIR AND WILLING TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN SO THAT I DON'T LEAVE AND THEN COME BACK, SHOULD THE COMMISSION CHOOSE THAT I STAY UNTIL I LEAVE THEN? UH, THAT'S FINE.
UH, DO WE HAVE A NOMINATION? I NOMINATE RANDOLPH STUART TO REMAIN UNTIL HE COMES ON THE COMMISSION.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND THAT NOMINATION OF RANDOLPH STONE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? HI, ROLL CALL.
I BELIEVE DIANE RAISED HER HAND.
UM, THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR THE CONTENT OF THE NEW CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR AND, UM, THEN RAN UP.
YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? YEAH.
I'D LIKE TO THANK, UH, EVERYONE, INCLUDING THE PUBLIC WIFI SERVICE.
UH, ANYTHING FOR MR. CHAIRMAN? CAN'T HEAR YOU.
I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH PROTOCOL.
UH, THIS IS MY FIRST FORAY WITH, WITH, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT, UH, BEFORE WE GO, I JUST WANTED TO, UM, UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT BETTER TO, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SUPPORT OF, OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS REGARDING THE TWO ACRES ON MAY RIVER ROAD.
UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE GRIEVANCE WAS TO DENY FOR SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS OR THOSE COMMISSION MEMBERS.
SORRY, THAT, THAT PUT A DENIAL, THAT, THAT BASED ON WHAT FOR, AS WE REGROUP AND TRY TO DISCERN WHAT THE CONCERNS WERE.
UH, I FELT LIKE WE HAD EXPLAINED IT FAIRLY WELL AND HAD THE SUPPORT OF THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD ANYBODY CARE TO? IS THIS JIMMY? THIS IS BLAINE IS WHEN, OH, I'M SORRY.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE TO DISCUSS IT AT THIS POINT FURTHER.
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HEARD ALL THE DISCUSSION TO THIS POINT.UM, I, THE VOTES HAVE BEEN TAKEN AND EMOTION IS BEEN MADE AND PASSIONATE.
UM, EITHER CERTAINLY FEEL FREE TO, UH, MAKE FURTHER INQUIRY TO THE COUNTY VOTED AGAINST WHAT, UM, ROB, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? YES.
UM, I GUESS MY, MY COMMENT TO, UH, TO BLAINE HAS SAID SHE HAS EVERY RIGHT TO GO THE NEXT STEP TO THE NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE OF COUNTY COUNCIL.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO THIS DECISION IS A RECOMMENDATION TO THEM.
YOU STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN CONTACT STAFF TOMORROW.
WE CAN LET YOU KNOW THE MEETING SCHEDULE AND WE CAN GO FROM THERE.
WELL, I'M SORRY THAT I DIDN'T EXPLAIN THAT THE PROCESS IS IF YOU DEALT WITH, UM, THE COUNTY, UM, HERE TO, FOR OUR RECOMMENDATIONS GO FORWARD TO THE COUNTY.
AND OUR RECOMMENDATION ALSO GOES FORWARD TO ACTUAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE WHO CAN COUNTER OUR RECOMMENDATION, BOTH RECOMMENDATIONS THEN WOULD BE GO FORWARD TO COUNTY COUNCIL.
AND IN WHICH CASE THEY, THEY HAVE THEIR SERIES OF THREE MEETINGS TO, UM, APPROVE OR NOT THE PROPOSAL.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A, UH, IT'S A PROCESS WHERE THE FIRST STEP IN THE PROCESS.
AND THEN WE'LL GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU TOMORROW AND LET YOU KNOW WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE IN THE MEETING SCHEDULE AND EVERYTHING.
UM, ANY OTHER, UM, NEW BUSINESS FROM ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
IF NOT, I DECLARE THIS MEETING ADJOURNED.