[11:00am Call to Order ]
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LIKE THE CALL IS BUFORD COUNTY BOARD OF EDUCATION COMMITTEE MEETING TO ORDER.
THIS IS A MEETING OF THE AD HOC EVALUATION, SELF EVALUATION COMMITTEE.
AND, UH, THE COUNTY CHANNEL WOULD BE LIVE STREAMING, THIS, THIS MEETING, AND LIKE TO SAY PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE AVAILABLE.
IF YOU CALLED IN ALREADY, I SUPPOSE YOU HAD TO CALL.
WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY DIDN'T HAVE ANY.
SO WE'LL START THIS MEETING OFF BY SAYING GOOD MORNING AND HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO EVERYBODY WHO DIDN'T HAVE ONE BLACK FRIDAY, ET CETERA.
NOW WE GO TO OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
PLEASE STAND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, TO THE REPUBLIC, FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
[Approval of Agenda ]
NOW, WE NEED APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.WE APPROVE THE AGENDA FOR NOVEMBER 30TH, 2020 FOR THE AD HOC SUP EVALUATION COMMITTEE.
ARE WE READY FOR THE QUESTION? KAY.
ANY OPPOSITION NON HEARD FOUR, ZERO ROBIN, NO PUBLIC COMMENTS YOU SAYS NO, SIR.
[Approval of the November 17, 2020 Committee Meeting Minutes ]
NOVEMBER 17 MINUTES APPROVAL OF THOSE MINUTES, PLEASE, BUT NECESSARY CORRECTIONS.I'M SORRY, ROBIN, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO PUT THE MINUTES UP ON THE SCREEN? YES.
LET ME KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO KEEP STROLLING.
I THINK, I THINK THAT THIRD PERIOD IN THERE AND THE HIGHLIGHTS, IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT THE COMMITTEE RECOMMEND TO THE FULL BOARD, UM, TO ADOPT THE INSTRUMENT AT THE DECEMBER 8TH MEETING.
WELL, I THINK YOU MENTIONED HER WORD.
WHAT ADOPT, I MEAN, TO THE FULL LET'S SEE, IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT THE COMMITTEE RECOMMEND TO THE FULL BOARD, UM, THAT THE BOARD WOULD DOP, SO OKAY.
THEY RECOMMEND, AND THEN I NEED TO TAKE, UH, THE, THEN OUT OF THE DOC OF THE SEC IN THAT NEXT SENTENCE.
THEY RECOMMEND THE SPECIAL CALL MEETING COULD BE THE WEEK OF DECEMBER 14TH, PREFERABLY THE 15TH.
THEN WE CAN HAVE A RECOMMENDED, UH, RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL WITH THE CORRECTIONS.
MADE, MADE BY JOANNE AND SECOND BY PATRICIA.
OR AM I ASSUMING? NO, THAT'S GOOD NOW.
UM, I MAY WE ADOPT MINUTES, UM, WITH THE CORRECTIONS DATED MOTION MADE AND SECOND ALL IN FAVOR.
IS WILLIAM BALDING? I SAID, HI.
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HOW ARE YOU DOING TODAY? I'M ALL RIGHT.[Discussion of Board’s Self Evaluation Instruments ]
ALL RIGHT.LET'S GO TO OUR BUSINESS SECTION, WHICH IS TO LOOK AT THE INSTRUMENT THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US AND BOARD DOCS OR BY EMAIL AND LET ANYBODY LOOK AT IT TIGHTLY.
I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE LAST SECTIONS I GOT UP TO MAYBE PROBABLY 70.
I DON'T KNOW, LESS THAN 10, ANY BASIC QUESTION FORMAT OR WHATEVER.
UM, I WAS GOING TO ASK, HOW WAS THE FORMAT OR IS THIS WHAT YOU ALL WERE LOOKING? UM, FOR FORMATTING? UM, I PUT IT THIS WAY SO THAT IF IT WAS EMAILED OUT, BOARD MEMBERS CAN JUST TAKE THEIR NAMES AND PUT THEIR NUMBERS, SCORE IT BY THEIR NAME AND THE WEEKEND COMBINED ONE DOCUMENT BASED OFF OF INDIVIDUAL SCORING.
I THINK JOANNE AND TRICIA BOTH HAD THEIR HANDS UP EITHER ONE.
UM, SO ROBIN, WOULD THERE BE A WAY FOR US TO ADD THE HEADER TO EVERY PAGE AND THE HEADER BEING, UM, THE BOARD MEMBERS NAMES AT THE TOP? YES, YES, YES, YES.
AND THEN ALSO, IF WE COULD, I'M A KIND OF A STICKLER FOR THIS NUMBER, THE PAGES, UM, THIS WAY AS THE BOARD SITS DOWN TO EVALUATE ITSELF, WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO REFER TO A SPECIFIC ITEM.
WE CAN GO TO THE PAGE NUMBER AT THE BOTTOM OR THE TOP WHEN JUST SAY THE PAGE TO ME.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN, JOANNE? I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS DOCUMENT AS A WHOLE MAIL, LET'S SAY I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, THE BOARD HOLDS CONFIDENTIAL THAT, WHICH THE LAW HOLDS AS CONFIDENTIAL AND THE BOARD IS GOING TO SAY, WHAT PAGE IS THAT ON? WHERE, WHERE IS THAT JOEY? AND I'M GOING TO SAY, WELL, LET'S SEE, LET ME COUNT WHEN YOU SAY WHAT NUMBER IT IS, YOU COULD DO THAT.
BUT I ALSO THINK THERE'S VALUE IF POSSIBLE, IF IT'S NOT POSSIBLE, THAT'S FINE.
UM, BUT I ALWAYS LIKE BARGER DOCUMENTS TO HAVE PAGE NUMBERS.
IT'S JUST A PERSONAL PREFERENCE OF MINE, BUT I'M NOT THAT.
YEAH, BUT HERE'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW.
WE SURE WE GOT, HOW MANY PAGES DO YOU THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THERE ROBIN THREE? I DON'T KNOW.
IT DEPENDS ON HOW MANY NUMBERS YOU DELETE.
WELL, OKAY, SO THE FORMAT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FISHER ON THE FORMAT? YES.
I WAS THINKING THAT WE SHOULD GO THROUGH AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR TENSES ARE ALL THE SAME.
UM, SOME OF THEM ARE WRITTEN IN THE PAST TENSE.
SOME OF THEM ARE WRITTEN IN THE PRESENT TENSE AND I THINK IT WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD JUST MAKE A DECISION ON WHICH ONE WE WANT AND THEN GO THROUGH AND CHANGE THEM FOR THAT.
WHERE WE HAVE QUESTIONS ONE, TWO AND THREE.
THAT IS ONLY RIGHT NOW FOR YOUR REFERENCE.
SO THAT AS YOU WERE GOING THROUGH, YOU COULD SEE WHERE THOSE QUESTIONS CAME FROM.
SO THIS, WHERE IS THIS QUESTION IS PAGE ONE QUESTIONS, PAGE TWO AND THREE.
UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, TREASURE BSN.
NO, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE TWO MORE, TWO MORE MEETINGS TO CORRECT ALL THOSE, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE THEM ALL CONSISTENT, BUT WE CAN DO IT AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN I SUPPOSE.
BUT, UH, FIRST OF ALL, LOOK, THE QUESTION TO ME IS, DOES THAT LOOK LIKE WHAT WE WANT TO HAVE AS THE INSTRUMENT TO SEND TO THE BOARD MEMBERS? I HAD MY ONE QUESTION WAS WHERE IS THE SELECTION? WHAT THEY SHOULD PUT IN? IS THAT GOING TO BE A INTRO OR PREFIX TO THE TASKS, TO THE TEST.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED THAT TO BE A SEPARATE DOCUMENT, GIVING WHAT THE RATING IS.
THAT'S A SEPARATE PAGE AND THAT WOULD BE THE INSTRUCTIONS.
WELL, I ALSO, I KIND OF WANTED THERE TOO, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHEN I'M TAKING A TOWN, I'M TALKING FROM A PERSONAL, LIKE JOANNE, LIKE, BUT I'M TAKING A TEST.
SOMETIMES THE QUESTION IS HARD TO THE SIDE.
AND I LIKE TO LOOK BACK AT THAT ONE THROUGH FIVE AGAIN, TO SEE WHERE I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, IS IT A THREE OR IS IT A TWO? IS IT, YOU KNOW? AND I WANT TO LOOK, I WANT TO HAVE THAT FRESH IN MY MIND.
SO I DON'T SAY YOU HAVE TO READ IT NEXT TO EACH QUESTION,
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BUT AT LEAST MAYBE IN EACH SECTION OR SOMETHING AND ONE THROUGH FIVE, WHAT THE CHOICES ARE ON EACH PAGE.UM, LIKE IN ONE COLUMN OR SOMEHOW HAVE, UH, THE RATINGS ONE THROUGH FIVE, ONE BEING OKAY.
WHAT IS FIVE? BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT, I THINK THAT HELPS PEOPLE TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS AND THEIR KIDS ARE CLEAR.
THAT ONE IS NOT FIVE AND FIVE IS NOT ONE ALSO SOME MONTHS.
ARE WE USING DAS FIVE FOR ALWAYS FOR AT THE TIME? YES.
I THINK THAT THAT WILL STILL BE AGREED ON.
JOANNE, I THINK WE READ, READ ON FRIDGE.
OR WE COULD HAVE A SEPARATE SCORE SHEET TO JUST HOLD AND HAVE HANDY, UM, EITHER WAY WORKS FOR ME.
IT LOOKS LIKE WILL HAS HIS HAND UP NOW.
WELL, YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY, UM, I, I WAS GOING TO SPEAK ON THE PART BY JOANNE SPEAK ABOUT TOO, ABOUT, UM, ABOUT THE PAGE NUMBERS.
AND ALSO I LIKE DATES SO THAT WE CAN KNOW WHAT'S THE DATE THAT THIS ACTUALLY TOOK ACTION THAT THIS DOCUMENT TOOK ACTION.
SO, UM, YEAH, I'M GOING TO STICK UP FOR, FROM FELLOWS OUT THERE FOR THE, UH, THE DATES AND THE PAGE NUMBERS ON IT.
SO, SO WE CAN KIND OF, YOU KNOW, KNOW EXACTLY WHEN TO TAKE THEM TOOK PLACE IN WHAT YEAR OR WHATEVER WE GO BACK AND LOOK IT UP.
WELL, CAN YOU SAY IT AGAIN PLEASE? I SHOULDN'T, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A DATE, A DATE ON IT, UH, OIL OR PLAY OUR SPACE FOR A DATE, UM, ON THE, ON THE EVALUATION.
YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHEN IT IS AND WHEN, WHEN, WHEN THIS TOOK PLACE AND WE COME BACK FIVE OR SIX YEARS FROM NOW, WE CAN SEE IT THAT THIS WAS THE FIRST, THIS WAS THE FIRST INSTRUMENT THAT WE EVER USED MOVING FORWARD.
AND ALSO I DO LIKE A PAGE NUMBER ON IT SO WE CAN KNOW WHAT BOOK PAGE TO GO OVER WHEN WE HAVING THE DISCUSSION OR WHAT, WHAT AREA.
I THINK ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE SIMPLE ENOUGH NOW LET'S, LET'S GO BACK TO THE TEETH OF IT.
IT'S JUST LESS, FIRST OF ALL, LET'S GO BACK TO THE, TO THE, TO THE GRAMMAR, TO THE LANGUAGE, BECAUSE SUGGESTIONS SO THAT WE DON'T GET BOGGED DOWN ON WORDSMITHING.
IF YOU'D AGREE ON THE TENTS, CAN WE GO THROUGH THE NUMBERS OF WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DELETE? AND THEN WE CAN GO THROUGH THE TENTS AND IF IT'S OKAY WITH TRICIA, I WILL JUST GIVE IT BACK TO HER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE PUT THEM ALL IN THE CORRECT TENSE.
ONCE YOU AGREE ON THE QUESTIONS, IS THAT FINE? TRISHA AGREES WITH THAT.
I JUST THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WHEN WE PRESENT A DOCUMENT THAT, UM, CORRECT.
HAS IT WRITTEN WELL? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
I, I, YOU KNOW, I APOLOGIZE TO ROBIN AND ALL OF YOU THAT BE THERE REALLY CONSIDER THE TIME CONSTRAINTS INVOLVED IN PREPARING THIS AND GETTING IT TO US.
AND I KNOW ROBERT HAD NO TIME, BUT DOING IT.
SO THERE WERE SOME CLEANING UP THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
WE CLEAN UP THE TENTS ONCE YOU DETERMINE WHAT QUESTIONS I UNDERSTAND.
AND I SAID THAT WE'RE GOING TO THROW OUT.
UH, ALSO I WAS WONDERING WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PUT THE, THE, THE, THE NUMBERS A SEQUENCE OF, UH, OR IS THIS GUY IT'S GOING TO BE ACTUAL DOCUMENT? THAT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH THE BOARD MEMBERS.
AS WE MAKE THE, THE ADJUSTMENTS.
WELL, WHERE ARE WE? WHERE WOULD WE PUT ON THE CAR? EXCUSE ME.
WELL, ARE YOU ASKING IF IT'S ELECTRONIC OR ON PAPER? UH, W WELL, NO, NO, BUT MY QUESTION WAS, I WANT YOU TO KNOW, WOULD THIS BE THE ANNUAL WHERE WE ACTUALLY PUT LIKE THE FIVE FOR THE DIRECTORS, WHERE WOULD BE WHERE WE PUT THAT AT, AND THOSE BLOCKS THERE? I KNOW, BUT WHERE, WHERE WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO SEE IT TO TOP THE INSTRUCTIONS? WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT SHE SAID SHE'S DRAWN EITHER DO AN INTRO ON EVERY PAGE.
YOU KNOW, LIKE PAGE ONE, HERE ARE THE FIVE CHOICES.
IT SAID NEVER SOMETIMES NO, USUALLY ALWAYS WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE FIVE COMPONENTS ARE, BUT THAT'LL BE WHERE IT'S CLEAR PEOPLE CAN SEE WHAT THEIR ROLE
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IS AND DOING THE EVALUATION.SO LET'S GO TO WHAT NEEDS TO BE ELIMINATED.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT I'VE LEARNED, UM, FROM WORKING WITH EVALUATION INSTRUMENTS AND TOOLS IS THAT YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW GOOD OR HOW BAD THEY ARE UNTIL YOU USE THEM TILL YOU PUT THEM TO USE.
AND I'M IN MY RECOMMENDATION AT THIS TIME WOULD BE LEAVE IT AS HE IS.
I MEAN, CHANGE THE, UM, THE TENSES AND SUCH AND SEE WHAT BUBBLES UP FROM THE FULL BOARD IN REFERENCE TO, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY SIT DOWN TO USE THIS, OH, I FOUND NUMBER 36.
I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO READ THAT.
UM, I WOULD SAY LET'S, LET'S LET THIS GO THROUGH A RUN WITH THE FULL BOARD AND, AND GLEAN, WHATEVER CHANGES MIGHT NEED TO BE MADE TO IT FROM THERE.
UM, I WENT THROUGH, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING I WANTED TO GET RID OF.
UM, BUT THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS MAY HAVE, UH, I COULD HAVE MISSED SOME REDUNDANCIES HERE, PERHAPS.
UM, BUT I WOULD JUST LEAVE IT AS IS FOR NOW CLEAN UP THE WORDING, ADD BE FORMATTING OPTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED THUS FAR AND LET THE BOARD, UM, BRING FORTH THEIR OPINIONS OF IT AFTER HAVING USED IT ONCE.
UM, I KNOW HAVING GONE THROUGH MANY, MANY, UH, SUPERINTENDENT ANNUAL EVALUATIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE INSTRUMENT LOOKS GREAT UP FRONT, BUT THEN WHEN YOU GO TO TRY TO USE IT, YOU FIND THE INHERENT CHALLENGES IN IT.
UM, AND I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE ANY DIFFERENT, UM, NECESSARILY IT WAS.
WE DO WHAT WE DO ON SLIM LINE IS WHERE WE CAN ON YOU.
DON'T YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING WHERE THERE'S LESS, LESS NEGATIVE FEEDBACK AS POSSIBLE? WELL, WHEN I SAY NEGATIVE FEEDBACK, I MEAN, ON THE INSTRUMENT ITSELF, UM, YEAH.
WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, THE NUMBER OF QUESTIONS I SAY, I'M NOT ON THIS COMMITTEE AND YOU SHOWED ME THIS, I WOULD SAY, WOW, A YEAR IT'S ONCE A YEAR AND YOU'LL HAVE IT.
I KNOW, BUT I'LL SAY THE SAME THING ONCE A YEAR IN QUESTIONS, I WILL HAVE LOST MY FOCUS BY THE TIME I GET TO NUMBER 90.
I'LL YIELD TO WHATEVER THE COMMITTEE WANTS TO DO.
SO IT DON'T REALLY GO DELINEATE.
I'M NOT GONNA LOSE ANY SLEEP OVER THAT.
UH, I PROBABLY WITH THE MINOR QUESTION, HOW DID THE MORE QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, THE MORE CLARIFICATION THAT YOU CAN GET IN? BECAUSE I THINK EVERY QUESTION ON SOMETHING ALSO SOMETIMES BRING A LITTLE, A LITTLE DIFFERENT JUST, AND WE ARE, AND WE ARE, UH, WE ARE ASKING ME A LOT AND WHICH I FIND A LOT OF INFORMATION, BUT THERE WASN'T A PROCESS WE HAVE, WE HAVE AGREED TO NOT BREAK IT DOWN INTO SESSION.
SO WITH THAT, WITH ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT SECTIONS AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT I DO, IT'S GOING TO TAKE, IT TAKES, IT, TAKES THEM TO PICK MORE QUESTIONS SO THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND.
ALSO, YOU CAN SEE IF THERE'S A CONSISTENCY IN ANSWERS ACROSS THE BOARD.
SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH, UH, WITH THEM, WITH THE AMOUNT OF QUESTIONS.
SO I GUESS WE CAN GO WITH THEM WITH THE NUMBER OF QUESTIONS.
SO WHAT ELSE IS I WOULD CHARGE TODAY THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, CLEANING UP THE, IF WE AGREE THAT WE DON'T USE ALL THOSE QUESTIONS AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE MUCH TO DO TRICIA FISHER, HE CALLED YOU.
UM, I THINK IT IS A LITTLE, UH, INCUMBENT UPON US TO GO THROUGH THE QUESTIONS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE CLEAR.
AND ALSO IF THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE REALLY REDUNDANT, UM, THAT WE EITHER CHANGE IT TO MAYBE, UM, APPROACH IT FROM A DIFFERENT WAY OR WE ELIMINATE IT.
SO, BECAUSE I'M KIND OF WITH YOU MALE, THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, 85, 85 QUESTIONS, UM, IS A LOT.
AND ALSO I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO LOOK AT THE STATEMENTS THAT EVERY BOARD MEMBER MADE REGARDING AN EFFICIENT, WHAT AN EFFICIENT BOARD IS AND SEE WHETHER OR NOT THE CONTENT
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OF THOSE ARE ACTUALLY INHERENT IN SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS.I DIDN'T HEAR THE FIRST PATRICIA, I'M SORRY.
UM, I DO THINK THAT I, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT I THINK THESE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND IT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL TO GO THROUGH AND SEE IF ANY OF THEM ARE REDUNDANT.
AND THEN ALSO TO ENSURE THAT WE ASKED THE BOARD MEMBERS TO STATE WHAT AN EFFICIENT BOARD IS AND TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THOSE TYPES OF THAT, IF THAT CRITERIA IS ACTUALLY INCLUDED IN SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS.
UM, SO JUST I'LL START WITH, I WAS TAKING A LOOK AT NUMBER 77 AND NUMBER 80.
AND WONDERING IF THOSE TWO WERE ASKING THE SAME THING.
NOW I'M LOOKING AT THE, I'M LOOKING AT THE QUESTION NUMBERS THAT ARE RIGHT ALONGSIDE THE WORDS, NOT THE EXCEL SPREADSHEET NUMBERS.
WITHIN, UM, THE PAST YEAR, THE BOARD HAS REVIEWED SCHOOL DISTRICT STRATEGIES FOR ATTAINING LONG-TERM GOALS AND NUMBER 80, THE BOARD COMPARES REPORTS ON SCHOOL'S PROGRESS, WHERE THE DISTRICTS LONG-TERM GOALS.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY WERE BASICALLY ASKING THE SAME THING.
UH, YEAH, I GUESS THEY THEY'RE LINKED, BUT TO ME TOO, YOU KNOW, THEY KIND OF LIKE ONE IS THE OSS AND THE OTHER IS THE, IS THE, IS THE BUGGY JOANNE? MY TAKE IS THAT, UM, 77 FOCUSES ON STRATEGIES, THE PROCESS, WHEREAS 80, UM, WHAT IS IT? 80.
UH, FOCUSES ON THE OUTCOME AND SEEING THE REPORT.
SO I AGREE WITH YOUR HORSE AND BUGGY ANALOGY.
ONE IS THE PROCESS AND WE'RE FULLY INFORMED ABOUT THE PROCESS AND THE OTHER IS WE'RE FULLY INFORMED ABOUT THE OUTCOMES AND, AND BOTH PERTAIN TO THE LONG-TERM GOALS.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES.
AND SO I, SO, UM, I WAS USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE OF, IS THERE ANYTHING IN THERE THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO CLARIFY TOO, YOU KNOW, FOR USING THE TERMS YOU JUST SAID, JOANN, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, TO HELP CLARIFY THAT, OR MAYBE IT'S CLEAR FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.
AND I WAS JUST VIEWING IT DIFFERENTLY.
I THOUGHT WE HAD TO NUMBER 77, KEEP IT AS YES' AND SAY STRATEGIES AND PROCESS.
AND THEN FOR 80, KEEP IT AS HE IS AND SAY, PROGRESS AND OUTCOMES AND YOU'LL COMBINE THEM, TRISHA, THAT PRODUCT BE WITH JUNE.
IT WAS THE TWO THAT STUCK OUT AT ME THAT MAYBE WE COULD DO SOMETHING MORE WITH THEM.
MAYBE WE CAN COMBINE THEM TO MAKE THEM ONE I'M SURE.
JUST, YOU KNOW, SO ACTUALLY LET ME, YOU KNOW, WHAT, IF YOU, AS A BOARD MEMBER, DON'T FEEL FULLY INFORMED ABOUT THE PROCESS, BUT YOU FEEL MORE THAN, UH, INFORMED ABOUT THE, UM, OUTCOMES.
HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU RATE THAT? I LIKE SEPARATING IT OUT ONLY BECAUSE YOU CAN COMMENT SEPARATELY TO EACH OF THOSE.
I THINK YOUR SUGGESTION, JOANNE OF ADDING THOSE WORDS WOULD BE HELPFUL.
SO WE'RE AT, UM, WHERE IT SAYS, PLEASE ANSWER THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS.
DO YOU WANT THESE LAST THREE TO BE ON A SEPARATE PAGE SO THAT SOMEONE CAN, UM, EMAIL TYPE IN WHAT THERE, THIS WILL BE A SEPARATE PAGE BY ITSELF SO THAT THEY CAN ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS AND GIVE THE EXAMPLES THAT THEY WANT.
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SPEAK? OKAY.UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS FINISHED PRODUCT IS GOING TO BE ACCESSIBLE BY THE PUBLIC.
UH, IT'S NOT JUST FOR OUR OWN USES, BUT THE PUBLIX AS WELL.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT EACH AND EVERY NARRATIVE SHOULD BE AVAILABLE IN ITS ENTIRETY FOR PUBLIC REVIEW.
UM, AND THE BOARD MEMBER DOESN'T HAVE TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES.
THEY'RE WELCOME TO CERTAINLY THEY DON'T HAVE TO.
SO I, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD DO THOSE EVEN IN A, JUST IN WORD, IF YOU WANT IT TO, AS OPPOSED TO EXCEL.
NO, I WOULD SAY ROBIN THAT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT WITH THE 82 QUESTIONS, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
AND THAT'S THREE TIMES, WHY AM I TAKING THAT'S THREE TIMES FOR THOSE THREE 85, INCLUDING THE NARRATIVE, RIGHT? YEAH.
WHY I'M THINKING THE NARRATIVES THREE FOODS, IT SAYS, LISTEN, PRO WHAT ARE THE THREE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUES? SO I WOULD SAY THAT THE, THE Q AND A, UH, SHOULD BE MANDATORY, BUT I WOULD LEAD THE, THE, UM, RESPONSES AT THE END IS OPTIONAL BOARD MEMBERS.
IF THEY CHOOSE TO PARTICIPATE SUGGESTION FOR EVALUATING IT, ONCE IT'S BEEN DONE BY EACH BOARD MEMBER, THOUGH, I'LL BE GONE A WEEK GONNA HAVE A SUGGESTION, OR ARE WE GOING TO WAIT AS A UP, WHAT DO YOU MEAN, MEL? I MEAN, ONCE EVERYBODY HAS TAKEN THE EVALUATION AND WE LOOK AT THE RESULTS, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE RESULTS? WE DISCUSSED IT AS A BOARD, THE SAME WAY WE, WE, WE DISCUSSED THE SUPERINTENDENTS, UH, OUR EVALUATION, WE DISCUSSED IT.
WE DISCUSSED WHAT, WE JUST GOT THE RESULTS.
AS, AS A BOARD, WE HAVE A HOOP.
I MEAN, ARE WE GOING TO, WHO'S GONNA, ARE WE GONNA FIND 200, WHO'S GOING TO DO THEIR DATA PROCESSING.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AS IN THE FINAL RESULTS TOGETHER.
THE COMPLETION ROBIN'S GOING TO DO THAT, OR WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT'S TRICIA.
UM, I, I WOULD THINK, YEAH, I THINK JOANNE, UM, KIND OF BROUGHT THIS UP THE IMPORTANCE OF MAKING SURE.
UM, AND IN A PREVIOUS MEETING, JOANNE BROUGHT THIS UP, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THE WHOLE PROCESS LAID OUT AND MEL, I WOULD FEEL SO COMFORTABLE IF YOU, AS CHAIR OF THIS COMMITTEE WERE INVOLVED IN THE COMPILATION OF THE DATA.
AND SO I WOULD THINK THAT COULD BE PART OF THE SUGGESTION WHEN WE BRING IT TO THE BOARD AS TO HOW THE PROCESS IS GOING TO GO TO COMPILE THE DATA.
THAT'S ALL, THAT'S STILL MY QUESTION, WHATEVER YOU, OKAY.
I'M A PART OF THE, OTHER OF THE DATA ANALYSIS TEAM, BUT YOU WANT MORE THAN JUST ONE PERSON DOING IT, BUT JOANNE, UM, IF YOU HAVE THE NARRATIVE, THE QUESTIONS, THE, UM, AT THE END, THEY'RE JUST BEING PRINTED OUT AND PUT TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE EVALUATED THERE.
THEY'LL JUST BE AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC AND BOARD REVIEW.
AS FAR AS THE INSTRUMENT GOES, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A FORMULA AT THE END OF EVERY ROW.
AND AT THE END OF EVERY COLUMN, UH, THAT WILL, UM, PROVIDE THE, THE, THE SUMMARY.
THAT'S WHY WE USED A SPREADSHEET FORMAT TO DO THAT.
SO WE'LL KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL SCORE IS.
YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW WE ALL KNOW THAT, WELL, WHY ARE WE DOING IT IS THE QUESTION.
IF WE JUST GOING TO GET THOSE NUMBERS AND IT'S GOING TO BE SHOVED AWAY IN A SHELF SOMEWHERE BILLABLE TO THE PUBLIC AD REQUESTS, BUT WHO DID SOMETHING ABOUT THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE BOARD IN TERMS OF THE RESULTS? HOW DO WE ANALYZE THE RESULTS? WELL, IT'S JUST, UH, IT'S JUST A, UM, A SELF-ASSESSMENT I DON'T THINK THERE REALLY IS ANY DIRECTION THAT THE BOARD CAN TAKE OTHER THAN SELF
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POLICING OURSELVES GOING FORWARD TO IMPROVE IN CERTAIN AREAS.I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT HOW DO WE COME TO SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT ON WHAT THAT ASSESSMENT SAID THIS YEAR? YOU GOTTA KNOW WHAT IT SAID.
I MIGHT TAKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE SUPERINTENDENT EVALUATION, WE HAD A RANGE THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, IT WAS HIGHLY EFFECTIVE OR MODERATELY EFFECTIVE.
AND I ASSUME WE'LL HAVE THE SAME MATHEMATICAL RANGE HERE USING OUR, UM, USING OUR, UH, FIVE, UH, SCORES.
BUT WHEN THAT SUPERIN, SO WHERE ARE THEY? I'M TRYING TO FIND THE, UM, THE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE IN THE BREAKDOWN OF WHAT THEY SAY.
AND HOW MUCH CAN YOU SEE IT? YEAH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING.
I WANT TO SEE THE BEAR WITH ME HAVING A HECK OF A TIME HERE.
FIVE IS FOR ALWAYS, FOR US, FOR MOST OF THE TIME, THREE IS FOR ABOUT HALF.
THE TIME TWO IS FOR ONCE IN A WHILE AND ONE IS FOR RARELY OR NEVER.
SO, UM, YEAH, I THINK WE NEED TO CREATE ANOTHER INTERPRETATION OF THAT.
SO IF WE ARE RIGHT, LET ME, I'M TRYING TO MAKE THIS LARGE ENOUGH FOR ME TO SEE HERE, ROBIN, BEAR ME.
LET ME MAKE, I CAN MAKE IT BIGGER.
NO, IT'S, IT'S, UM, OPERATOR ERROR ON MY END.
SO, UM, YEAH, WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER LENS, IF YOU WILL, WHERE A CERTAIN RANGE OF NUMBERS EQUALS SOMEWHAT EFFECTIVE, ANOTHER RANGE EQUALS, YOU KNOW, ACT, YOU KNOW, ACCEPTABLY ACTIVE, OR, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DO THAT.
UM, I THINK THAT'S ADEQUATE WHERE WE HAVE, I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TO, TO GET SOME RESULTS.
WELL, WHAT I AM SAYING IS AFTER WE GET THE RESULTS, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO SUGGEST THAT THE BOARD DOES AFTER THE EVALUATION OR DO, IS THAT LIKE, WE'LL SAY, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD DISCUSS AND MOVE ON, MOVE ONWARD WITH YES.
THAT'S A FULL BOARD CONVERSATION.
YOU KNOW WHAT I JUST THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
I JUST THOUGHT ABOUT, EXCUSE ME, FOR CUTTING IN, UM, MAYBE THIS MAYBE, MAYBE, MAYBE THIS, THIS SHOULD BE A DISCUSSION TO AFTER WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION, THIS DISCUSSION SHOULD ALSO DRIVE AS INTO OUR BOARD GOALS.
AND, AND, AND, AND MAYBE HOW I MAYBE SEE IF WE'RE GOVERNED, GOVERNING, ACCORDING TO OUR, OUR, OUR, UM, OUR GOVERNANCE, UH, ONE FOR ONE, AND FOR ONE, SEE WHERE IT WE'RE FALLING ON GOVERNANCE FROM ONE AND TWO, JUST TO MOVE WHEN WE'RE SETTING BOARD GOALS, HOW ARE THESE GOALS? HOW, HOW, HOW ARE, HOW IS THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE TAKING IN SHOWING THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING TOWARDS THE GOALS THAT WE'VE SET AS A BOARD? SO I THINK ALL THAT IS A PART OF THAT CONVERSATION.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AND IT'S YOUR JOB AS A BOARD MEMBER TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, AND THEN MAY, YOU MAY FEEL THAT IT MAY BE ON YOUR HEART AND FROM YOUR MORE ACCOMPLISHED TO BRING IT FORWARD SO THAT THE COLLEGE IS MUST TAKE PLACE OF THE OVERALL INFORMATION THAT, THAT HAS CAUSED THAT HAS BEEN COLLECTED HAS BEEN COLLECTED FURNITURE EVALUATION.
I MEAN, BECAUSE IT WAS EVALUATION, WE DID, WE DID BASICALLY A BARE BASIS UPON THE, UM, WE DID TRY TO BASE THIS UPON THE, UM, THE, UH, NOT BY THE BYLAWS OF, UM, THE PRESIDENT OF THE POLICY.
SO, YOU KNOW, SO ALL THAT SHOULD BE TIED INTO IT.
I BELIEVE POSSIBLY IT IS, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK JOANNE'S RIGHT, BUT I'M SAYING IS WHEN WE LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS, UH, WE GOING TO ANALYZE IT SUCH THAT LET'S SAY
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GOVERNANCE HAD A LOW SCHOOL OVERALL, THEN MAYBE WE MIGHT WANT TO CHANGE THE GOVERNANCE.SO ALL WE GOING TO NOT ANALYZE THAT AT ALL AND JUST ANALYZE THOSE INDIVIDUAL QUESTIONS AND SAY, OKAY, THESE ARE WHAT THE QUESTIONS RESULTS WERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS GO BACK AND WE REVISIT THE SAME IDEA AND REVISIT THE SAME IDEA.
SO IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO LOOK AT THE QUESTIONS AND COME UP WITH A CONCLUSION ON WHERE THE BOARD FEELS THAT IT IS EFFECTIVE, WHEREAS THIS WHERE IT FEELS IT'S NOT EFFECTIVE.
YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? OR DO WE JUST GRAB THE FIVE LOWEST SCHOOLS AND LOOK AT THEM AND SAY, THESE ARE THE FIVE LOWEST SCORES.
AND LET'S LOOK AT THE QUESTION ON WHAT THE TOPICS WERE.
AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT AS A BOARD IN TERMS OF FUTURE POLICY OR FUTURE DIRECTIVES.
IS THAT WHAT WE, I WANT TO KNOW IS WHAT ARE WE THINKING? THE FOUR OF US THINKING WHEN THESE QUESTIONS COME UP AT THE BOARD MEETING? WELL, I WOULD RAISE HER.
I THINK THAT THE, FROM THIS INFORMATION, THIS INFORMATION SHOULD DRIVE, SHOULD DRIVE, MOVE, MOVE CLOSER, DRIVE THE BOARD.
AND, AND, UH, EVERY TO MAKE EVERY PERSON HAVING SELF-EVALUATION ON THEIR SELF, UPON HOW WE'RE BEING GOVERNED INITIATIVE TO MAKE THE BOARD, IF THERE'S NOT GOOD, THEN THEY SHOULD QUESTION.
THEY SHOULD QUESTION US AND MAKE US WONDER, IS THERE A, IS THERE ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT? UH, ONE, TWO, IT SHOULD, ALL, IT SHOULD ALSO, UH, HELP US TO UNDER TO UNDERSTAND WHEREVER WE ARE USING THE GOVERNANCE, THAT WAY THAT, THAT WE'RE UNDER, OR SHOULD WE KEEP IT, OR SHOULD WE GET RID OF IT? UH, AS, AS WELL AS I THINK IT SHOULD, IT SHOULD ALSO HELP US TO UNDERSTAND OUR REVENUE.
WE ARE MOVING TOWARDS OUR, OUR, OUR BOARD, OUR BOARD GOES AS OLD, OR MAYBE THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE MAY NEED TO ADD OR REFOCUS.
MOMMY CAN HEAR YOU, UH, FROM TEACHER.
I JUST THINK OF IT AS THIS IS THE TEST.
AND WHEN WE GET THE RESULTS, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE RESULTS WE PUT IN OUR BOOK BAG, YOU KNOW, LEAVE IT ALONE, OR DO WE LOOK AT IT? AND, AND THE INSTRUCTORS LOOK AT IT ALONG WITH YOU AND DECIDE HOW DO YOU IMPROVE THAT? YES, JUST, I THINK IT'S JUST INTROSPECTION.
AND IT'S LEFT TO THE INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS, UH, COMING FORWARD TO LOOK AT THE RESULTS AND MAKE THE ECONOMIC POLICE YOURSELF.
ANYBODY ELSE? SO IT'S INTROSPECTION, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRYING TO CHANGE THE OUTCOMES OF THE LOWER SCORES AND WHAT I THINK THE VALUE IN THIS IS YOU GET TO COMPARE IT FROM YEAR TO YEAR.
SO IF THE INSTRUMENT REMAINS THE SAME AND ONE YEAR WE SCORE REALLY LOW ON, UM, FOLLOWING LAWS.
IS IT BETTER? IS THE SCORE BETTER? WELL, OBVIOUSLY WE PERCEIVE OURSELVES AS DOING BETTER, BUT THESE ARE ALL PERCEPTIONS.
THEY'RE HIGHLY SUBJECTIVE FOR ME, THE GREATEST VALUE, NOT ONLY FOR US TO BE INTROSPECTIVE AS A BOARD, BUT REALLY IT'S FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE THIS, WE'RE THERE TO REPRESENT THEM.
THEY WANT TO KNOW HOW WE SEE OURSELVES FUNCTIONING.
THEY'VE CERTAINLY GOT THEIR OWN VIEWPOINT OF WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT IS.
AND, UM, MAYBE AT SOME POINT DOWN THE ROAD, UM, I DON'T KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE PUBLIC FEEDBACK AS ADDED TO PART OF THIS.
WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T REALLY DONE IT YET.
UM, AS A BOARD USE THE TOOL JUST YET, BUT MAYBE SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THE PUBLIC WOULD W WOULD WANT TO WEIGH IN ON.
I DON'T KNOW, THIS WILL BE DONE AT A PUBLIC MEETING, OBVIOUSLY THE DISCUSSION.
UM, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE CAN ENFORCE ANYTHING NECESSARILY.
WILLIAM MENTIONED THE IDEA OF CHANGING POLICY UNDER THIS GOVERNANCE THAT WE FOLLOW POLICY REALLY IS EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING.
UM, SO MAYBE IT'S, MAYBE IT'S A POLICY CHANGE MAIL THAT COMES OUT OF IT.
UM, BUT THIS IS JUST INTROSPECTION.
THAT'S ALL IT IS GETTING SOME OF THE ANSWERS.
WELL, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW DID WE GET TO THE, TO, TO THE, MAYBE THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO, I AM.
I MEAN, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS, HOW DO WE GET TO THAT? WELL, I I'M, I'M,
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I'M TRYING TO DRIVE THE NEXT ACTION FROM THIS OR ELSE.I, UH, I DO INTEND TO, UH, GROUP MRS. OR SHACK HOME, OR SHAQ SAID THAT, UM, IT, NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO THIS AS A SELF EVALUATION FOR YOURSELF.
AND WHEN I SAID POLICY CHANGE, IT MAY BE IT'S SOMETHING AS AN, YOU KNOW, WEARING, UM, IT MAY, IT MAY BE THE MESSAGE OF THE BOARD TO MOVE A DIFFERENT WAY OR TO, TO MAYBE TO DO THINGS MAYBE DIFFERENTLY.
THERE'LL BE MORE AND MORE COHESIVE, UH, IN TERMS OF POLICY-WISE VERSUS IT BE SOMETHING RELATED TO OFFICERS.
IF IT WAS SOMETHING TO HOW THE DISTRICT, UM, GIVE THE, THE SUPERINTENDENT AND HIS STAFF MORE AUTHORITY, UM, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES, WHAT I'M SAYING, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ALL, ALL BOARD MEMBERS AND USE, YOU CAN'T REALLY CONTROL A BOARD MEMBER, A BOARD MEMBER CONTROLS ITSELF.
AND THIS IS A SELFIE THAT SAYS SELF EVALUATION.
AND THERE IS NO ONE, THERE IS NO ONE BOSS HERE.
I THINK THIS IS JUST A TOOL WHERE YOU ASK YOURSELF, ARE YOU DOING THE BEST THAT YOU CAN DO AS A BOARD, AS A BOARD MEMBER? I MEAN, TO, TO BE, UH, TO BE, TO BE QUITE FRANK WITH YOU.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WE CAN DO.
THE POINT IS TO, IS TO, IS TO PUBLICLY ASK YOURSELF THESE QUESTIONS AND TO EVALUATE YOURSELF AND YOU AND GIVE YOURSELF, I CHECK MY CHILD PUBLIC CHECK.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I GATHERED FROM IT A LITTLE BIT.
SO NOW 55 IS THE TOTAL NUMBER, THE TOTAL SCORE WE CAN HAVE FOR ANY GIVEN QUESTION, CORRECT? YES.
SO LET'S, LET'S DIVIDE THAT UP INTO FOUR, YOU KNOW, UM, THE LOWER PIECE IS INEFFECTIVE.
THEN THAT'S A MATHEMATICAL THING.
THE FOUR DESCRIPTORS IN EFFECTIVE AND HIGHLY EFFECTIVE ARE OBVIOUSLY THE BOTTOM AND LOW END, THE LOW END AND THE HIGH END, BUT WHAT ARE THERE TWO IN THE MIDDLE THAT WOULD BE FAIR, UM, FOR THAT 55 MAXIMUM SCORE PER QUESTION.
SO, AND I THINK THAT'S, MAYBE THAT MIGHT GIVE YOU THE VERBIAGE OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE WE WITH EACH OF THOSE, BUT WHAT WE DO WITH IT, WHAT THE BOARD DECIDES TO DO WITH IT IS UP TO A FUTURE BOARD.
I'D SAY, THAT'S NOT A QUESTION THAT I CAN REALLY ANSWER, BUT YOU GET, YOU AGREE THAT THESE QUESTIONS WERE, YOU GOTTA GO, YOU GOTTA GO AND TELL THEM FIRST.
I THINK OUR TASK WAS TO CREATE THE INSTRUMENT AS AN AD HOC COMMITTEE.
WHAT WE DO WITH THE RESULTS WAS NEVER PART OF OUR SCOPE.
AND I DO AGREE WITH THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THE HANDS OF THE FULL BOARD.
THAT'S THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY, UH, WHERE I WAS DRIVING TO AND WE'LL DO YOURS TO YOUR POINT.
I THINK YOU MISUNDERSTAND WHAT SELF EVALUATION MEAN IN THIS CASE, IN MY MIND, AND MY MIND SELF EVALUATION IS THE BOARD DOING A SELF EVALUATION ON AN INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBER, EVALUATION, SELF EVALUATION IS THE BOARD'S EVALUATION OF ITSELF, NOT THE INDIVIDUAL AND TO SOME DEGREE YOU'RE RIGHT.
BUT HOWEVER, EVERY BOARD MEMBER IS EVALUATING THEIR INDIVIDUAL PERFORMANCE.
IF IT WAS A BOARD EVALUATION AS WELL, IF IT WAS THE BOARD'S EVALUATION THAT OTHER PEOPLE WOULDN'T BE EVALUATING THE BOARD, EVERY INDIVIDUAL BOARD BOARD MEMBER IS EVALUATING HOW THEY SEE THE BOARD.
SO THE TOTAL NUMBER IS THE BOARD.
IF WE TOTALED EVERY SINGLE, THERE YOU GO A NUMBER, THEN IT'S THE BOARDS.
BUT INDIVIDUALLY, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO EVALUATE THEIR SELF AND THEY START IT START, UH, TRYING TO WATCH THEIR BEHAVIOR AND SELF EVALUATE THEIR ON THE, ON THEIR OWN ROUTINE.
BUT AT THE END, AT SOME POINT IN TIME, EVERY YEAR WE WILL SELF EVALUATE AS A BOARD.
SOMETIMES YOU CAN HAVE DEBRIEFING AND SOMETIMES YOU DON'T HAVE THE BRIEF DEBRIEF.
SO, SO BASES ARE BASICALLY, AND THAT'S KIND OF A BAD, A BAD ANALOGY, BUT BASICALLY EVERYONE OWNED THEIR OWN NUMBERS.
I'M NOT GOING TO OWN YOUR NUMBERS.
YOU OWN YOUR NUMBERS, BASICALLY WHAT I'M SAYING.
SO I'M NEVER GOING TO OWN THE BOARD NUMBERS BECAUSE THAT'S THE BOREDOM AS A WHOLE.
I WANT TO OWN THE PART THAT I PLAY IN THIS, IN THIS PERIOD.
I CAN'T OWN EVERY DECISION THAT THE BOARD MADE BECAUSE I'M GOING TO BE ONE VOTE.
THEY'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH A CLASS AVERAGE.
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INDIVIDUAL STUDENT WILL HAVE GOT ATTRIBUTED TO THAT CLASS AVERAGE.WE WILL ANALYZE EACH QUESTION HOW THE CLASS DID ON EACH QUESTION.
AND EACH INDIVIDUAL STUDENT WILL REMAP THAT WITH WHAT THEY SAID, WHAT THEY DID, THAT'S THEIR THAT'S THAT ANALYSIS.
SO THE WHOLE TEST WILL BE, HEY, THE CLASS DID THIS ON THE TEST.
NOT WHITE MALE CAMPBELL DID NO FOCUS ON NO CAMMO WHATSOEVER.
NO FOCUS ON WILL SMITH WHATSOEVER.
HERE'S WHAT THE BOARD DID ON THIS TEST.
SO IF I'M A BOARD MEMBER AND I TAKE QUESTION ONE BOARD AGENDAS FOCUS PRIMARILY ON RESULTS.
NUMBER TWO BOARD MEMBERS WERE PREPARED TO DO THE BUSINESS OF THE BOARD.
SO DO I SAY ROBYN AS A BOARD MEMBER WAS PREPARED TO DO THE BUSINESS OF THE BOARD? AND I SAY, OR DO I SAY, AS A WHOLE, THE BOARD MEMBERS WERE PREPARED TO DO THE BUSINESS OF, OF THE WHOLE, HOW YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT TAKING THE TEST.
SO IF I'M LOOKING AT EACH ONE AS IS ROBIN JUST PREPARED THEN, OR IS THE BOARD MEMBER AS A WHOLE PREPARED, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
YOU WERE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE BOARD MEMBER AND IF I'M NOT PREPARED, BUT 10 OTHERS ARE PREPARED, THEN MY CHECK IS FOUR OR FIVE CORRECT NOW, BUT I'M NOT PREPARED.
AND I'M CHECKING IT FROM MY STANDPOINT.
MY CHECK IS ONE RIGHT WHERE THE OTHER, THE OTHER 10 WERE READY.
AND I WAS, AND I DON'T GO WITH IT.
I'M WANTING TO CALL HIM MYSELF.
AND THAT'S NOT MY IT'S WHILE I OBSERVE MOSTLY WHAT I DO.
THAT'S, THAT'S HOW YOU TAKE YOUR LISTEN.
WHY, WHAT YOU OBSERVE IS HAPPENING.
SO THEN WE DID A CHANGE TO THE BOARD, TO THE, I STARTED A SELF EVALUATION.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A BOARD EVALUATION COMMITTEE, THEN
I TOLD YOU, YOU WERE LOOKING AT IT.
THE BOARDS, SELF EVALUATION AS WELL.
IT'S THE EVALUATION TEST COMMUNITY IS THE BOARD DECIDING WHAT THEY LOOK FOR.
THIS CELLS DON'T MEAN INDIVIDUAL.
IT TELLS ME IN BOARD THE BOARD ITSELF.
LET'S WELL, LET'S SEE WHERE WE ARE.
SO WHAT, WHAT ARE THE INSTRUCTIONS AND HOW DO WE SAY? SO IF THERE'S 55 POSSIBLE, WE'RE SAYING 55 IS HIGHLY EFFECTIVE.
WE SMOKE WEED THE AVERAGE 55 DIVIDED BY 11.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T NEED TO DEAL WITH THOSE HIGH NUMBERS.
SO MR. CAMPBELL, MAY I SAY SOMETHING? I UNDERSTAND THAT AS JOANNE NOTED ABOUT WHAT OUR SCOPE IS, BUT WE ARE THE GROUP THAT HAS, UH, WORKED WITH US INSTRUMENT MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE HOVE THE BOARD AND THE EFFICIENCY OF OUR BOARD MEETING, IF WE DID HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS.
SO I'M HEARING WHAT THE THREE OF YOU WERE DISCUSSING.
I, I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD INCLUDE IN HERE A SCALE OF ONE TO FIVE AND BREAK IT DOWN INTO NOT EFFECTIVE, MINIMALLY EFFECTIVE, EFFECTIVE, UM, NEARING HIGHLY EFFECTIVE AND HIGHLY EFFECTIVE SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
AND THEN WE COME UP WITH THAT MATHEMATICAL NUMBER THAT TELLS US WHERE WE ARE.
I THINK WILL'S IDEA OF SUGGESTING TO THE BOARD THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO MAKE A BOARD GOAL, UH, FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR THAT SAYS SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES, THAT IF WE ARE MINIMALLY EFFECTIVE, THAT WE WILL STRIVE TO BECOME EFFECTIVE.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD BOARD GOAL FOR US FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
AND TO YOUR POINT NOW, UM, I THINK THAT IF WE WERE TO IDENTIFY THE FIVE LOWEST SCORES AND, AND MAYBE, UH, YOU KNOW, POINT THOSE OUT TO THE WHOLE BOARD, ONCE THE COMPILATION IS DONE AND HAVE SOME STRONG CONVERSATION ABOUT THOSE FIVE LOWEST SCORES, THEN THAT COULD HELP, UM, AT LEAST SEND IT SET A FORMAT FOR THE CONVERSATION THAT WILL ENSUE ABOUT THE INSTRUMENT.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING, THE SAME THING.
AND IF ANYBODY ELSE WANNA WEIGH IN ON THAT,
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I MEAN, YEAH, WE CAN, I MEAN, IN YOUR MIND, WE, DON'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, BUT WE CAN MAKE SUGGESTIONS SO PEOPLE CAN THINK ABOUT IT.AND WE CAN DIRECT THE, THE THINKING PROCESS A LITTLE BY SAYING, LOOK, THIS IS WHAT ALL OF US SAID ABOUT THIS, THESE NUMBERS, UH, UH, RELATIVE TO ALL OF US, WE ALL NEED TO COME AFTER SCHOOL FOR SAY, ALL RIGHT, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I'M SAYING.
SO, SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS LIKE FOCUSING ON THE FOUR WEAKEST AREAS LET'S SAY, OR THE POOR WEAKEST SCORES, IS THAT JUST A, UM, A GUIDING TOOL FOR HOW WE'RE GOING TO CONDUCT OUR PUBLIC CONVERSATION WHEN WE REVIEW THIS? BECAUSE HONESTLY THIS COULD BE A FOUR OR FIVE-HOUR MEETING, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
YOU GO TO JOANNE TOOL JUST TO GUIDE US WHEN WE HAVE THE WORK SESSION, THE WORK DAY, OR WHAT HAVE YOU MEETING TO REVIEW THE RESULT? UM, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO REVISIT WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
I THINK NINE TIMES OUT OF 10, YOU JUST HAVE TO, THERE YOU GO.
LIKE MAYBE IN OUR INSTRUCTIONS PAGE, WE WOULD HAVE, UM, SOMETHING LIKE, UM, THE BOARD WILL, UM, PRESENT, UM, THE OUTCOME OF THE TOOL OR THE REVIEW THAT SELF-ASSESSMENT REVIEW.
I'D SAY THAT, UM, AT A, UH, PUBLICLY, UH, POSTED BOARD MEETING AT WHICH TIME THE BOARD WILL, UM, DISCUSS IN DEPTH, UH, IT'S FOUR WEAKEST AREAS PER SCORING.
DOES THAT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT NOW? AND TRICIA WILL, WELL, I, YEAH, I KNOW.
I DON'T WANNA MICROSCOPE AT THAT.
I DON'T WANT TO FIND 200 THAT MUCH, JOE.
I WILL I'LL KEEP IT KINDA GENERAL.
YOU HEAR ME? YEAH, NO, I GOTCHA.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHY WE WERE ZIERING ZEROING IN ON THEM.
IF NOT FOR THE REASON YOU SAID FOR THIS GUYS, SHIT, BUT I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO WAIT ON DISCUSSION.
THE DISCUSSION SHOULD BE ANTICIPATORY IN TERMS OF THE PUBLIC, BUT THE BOARD MEMBERS ALREADY KNOW WHERE IT SHOULD GO, LOOKING AT THE RESULTS THAT MAKE ANY SENSE.
I MEAN, I KNOW THAT YOU CAN HEAR ME OR NOT.
SO WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO WITH THE FOUR WEAKEST AREAS THEN WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE HIGHLIGHTED TO THE DEGREE WHERE PEOPLE KNOW THE BOARD MEMBERS KNOW WHAT THEY ARE, AND THEN WHEN, WHEN IT COMES TO THAT MEETING, THAT'S WHERE WE CAN, WE CAN INTRODUCE THAT DISCUSSION.
SO YOU JUST WANT LIKE A VISUAL YELLOW HIGHLIGHT IN THE DOC, NO HIGHLIGHT OR A SEPARATE SHEET WITH THIS AS WHAT HAPPENED.
WHATEVER TOLD THAT EVERYBODY WILL KNOW, THIS IS HOW WE ALL CAME TO AGREEMENT ON OUR WEAKNESSES AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY GOING TO BE IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
IT HAS TO ARRIVE THAT I'M SURE SOMEBODY WHO I THINK WE'RE GREAT AT THAT.
BUT IF THE, IF THE NUMBERS COME DOWN TO THAT, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO GO LOOK AT THAT MAKE ANY THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU.
DO YOU ALL, WHERE ELSE DO WE NEED TO GO, ROBIN? YOU GOT THE BASIC IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
WELL, I GUESS I'M LOOKING FOR SOME SPECIFICS ON THE INSTRUCTIONS.
WHAT IS IT? SO WE'RE SAYING WE WANT THE BOARD TO TAKE THIS ASSESSMENT, RATE YOURSELF FROM FIVE TO ONE, USING THE NUMBERS, WHAT THE RATING SCALE THAT WE SHOWED.
UM, AND THEN ON A SEPARATE DOCUMENT, ANSWER THE FOLLOWING LAST THREE QUESTIONS.
UM, THIS INSTRUMENT WILL BE TABULATED AND WE WILL HAVE A SPECIAL CALL
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MEETING TO DISCUSS THE RESULTS OF THIS EVALUATION.IS THAT WHAT, BUT WE ALSO, I GUESS, I, WE ALSO WANT TO, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S MY ROLE OR WHAT, BUT I'M PRESENT A TIMETABLE ON HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE DONE.
AND I ALSO WILL SUGGEST WHAT'S GOING TO SUGGEST, I KNOW YOU WANTED TO TAKE THIS TO DECEMBER 8TH, BUT HOW ABOUT MAKING THE CHANGES THAT YOU SUGGEST HAVING IT READY FOR THE BOARD TO LOOK AT AND TAKE WITH THEM ON THE SECOND, WHEN WE DO THE POLICY, DON'T HAVE TO DISCUSS IT, BUT PERHAPS I CAN GIVE IT TO THE BOARD, CAN HAVE IT THEN FOR THEM TO LOOK AT, SO THAT ON THE EIGHTH, WHATEVER THE EIGHTH WON'T BE THE FIRST DAY THAT THEY SEE IT.
AND SO WHATEVER QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAVE, WHATEVER ISSUES THAT THEY HAVE, WE CAN MAKE IT, THEY CAN APPROVE IT WITH THE CHANGES ON THE EIGHTH, IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE CHANGES.
UM, AND THEN YOUR PART OF YOUR INSTRUCTIONS WOULD BE THAT WE MAKE THE CHANGES, WE'LL GET THEM THE DATES SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE UP UNTIL THE WEEKEND TO DO IT.
AND THEN WE AT THE EIGHTH GETS X SET A DATE IF IT'S DECEMBER 14TH OR 15TH, BUT I, THIS DOCUMENT READY SO THAT THEY CAN LOOK AT IT ON THE SECOND, NO DISCUSSION, BUT IT'LL BE PROVIDED TO THEM SO THAT WHATEVER CHANGES THAT THEY WANT TO MAKE OR QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE IT TO DISCUSS ON THE EIGHTH.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALMOST THE SAME AS PUTTING IT A BOARD DOG SO WE COULD HAVE A RIGHT.
BUT BETWEEN THE POLICIES, I MEAN, SO THEY WON'T LOOK AT, THEY'LL BE GIVING IT TO THEM ON THE SECOND, BUT THEN THEY'LL HAVE, THEY'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO JUST GO THROUGH ALL OF IT AND MAKE WHATEVER RECOMMENDATIONS THEY WANT ON THE EIGHTH.
AND YOU CAN APPROVE IT IF, IF THEY APPROVE IT WITH WHATEVER CHANGES, YOU CAN APPROVE IT ON THE EIGHTH WITH THE CHANGES SO THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK AGAIN.
SO YOU GIVING THEM A CHANCE TO VET AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BEFORE THAT MEETING AND BE ABLE TO MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS NEEDED BEFORE, YOU KNOW, UH, THE REAL EVALUATION WITHOUT THEM COMING BACK FOR IT, FOR THE DISTRICT, THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE EVALUATION WE DEAL WITH HAVE ALREADY BASICALLY SEEING ALL THE ENTIRE THING AND THEY CAN TELL IF IT WORKS OR NOT.
AND SO, I MEAN, AF YOU, YOU CAN TRY IT AND SEE OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE QUESTIONS OR IT, AND IF THEY DETERMINED THAT 85 QUESTIONS ARE TOO MANY, THEY MIGHT DECIDE, WELL, WE CAN, WE CAN TAKE SOME OUT.
UH, I'D GO WITH THAT SUGGESTION, UH, COMMITTEE, ANYBODY WITH THAT? YEAH.
UH, WHAT ABOUT THE, UH, THE, THE CORRECTION OF THE TENSES AND ALL THAT STUFF? THE ENGLISH CROTCH, ROBIN, AND I CAN WORK TOGETHER ON THAT IF YOU WANT, IF YOU GUYS WOULD BE AMENABLE TO THAT.
UH, I, YOU KNOW, I READ IT, I SAW SOME THINGS, JUST WORDS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME WORDSMITHING AND US TRYING TO COMBINE, WE ALSO TRY TO COMBINE THREE DOCUMENTS AND TO, YEAH, I KNOW.
THERE MIGHT BE SPELLING AND CAPITALIZATION AND ALL THAT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, UM, THE YEAR BEHIND US, OBVIOUSLY.
SO DO WE WANT TO ADD AS PART OF THE HEADER, UM, OR PART OF THE INSTRUCTIONS THAT ARE, WILL BE COMPLETED COMPLETED BY THE LAST BOARD MEETING OF THE, OF THE CALENDAR YEAR, OR DO YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT TO HAVE THE TIMEFRAME JUST LIKE WE DO WITH OUR SUPERINTENDENT EVALUATION IT'S FROM SUCH AND SUCH A DATE TO SUCH AND SUCH A DATE.
IT COVERS THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
AND SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT TENTS, A LOT OF IT IS GOING TO SAY THE BOARD DID THE BOARD WAS, OR, YOU KNOW, UM, TRICIA.
THAT WAS GOING TO BE, UM, IF EVERYBODY, IF WE COULD COME TO A CONSENSUS RIGHT NOW, UM, ON WHAT WE WANT THE TENDS TO BE, THEN I CAN WORK ROBIN AND I CAN JUST MOVE THROUGH THIS.
UM, I MEAN, ROBIN COULD DO IT WITHOUT ME ONCE WE MADE THAT DECISION, BUT
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I MEAN, ROBIN, I'LL BE HAPPY TO CHAT WITH YOU ABOUT IT.SO JOANNE, YOU MAKE A VERY VALID POINT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO DECIDE BETWEEN THE FOUR OF US, WHAT WE WANT AND THEN WE'LL GO FORWARD WITH IT.
IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE VALUATION AT THE END OF A PERIOD, THAT EVERYTHING IS PAST TENSE.
BUT YEAH, ALEX, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT CALENDAR YEAR OR FISCAL YEAR OR SCHOOL YEAR? BECAUSE THE BOARD COMES ON A CALENDAR.
THE BOARD COMES IN ON A CALENDAR YEAR, UM, WHERE THE SUPERINTENDENT'S EVALUATED ON A US SCHOOL YEAR.
SO YOU HAVE TO DETERMINE AS THAT JANUARY THROUGH DECEMBER OF THE LAST TWO YEARS, ONE YEAR, HOW FAR BACK ARE YOU DOING IT? AND THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO PUT THAT IN THE INSTRUCTIONS SO THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THE CONTEXT IN WHICH THEY'RE THEY'RE SCORING.
SO, SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS FULL BOARD.
SO IT WOULD BE THIS FULL BOARD FROM THE TOP JANUARY OF 19, RIGHT? SO ARE YOU DOING JUST ONE YEAR? SO YOU'RE JUST DOING ONE YEAR.
SO ONE YEAR, I WOULD SAY JANUARY, JANUARY OF 22 TO NOW JANUARY, JANUARY 19, RIGHT? WELL, WE'RE IN 2020.
SO I WAS THINKING JANUARY 22, YOU KNOW, TILL NOW TO 2021, I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO START JANUARY ONE BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE EVERY TWO YEARS NEW BOARD MEMBERS SWORN IN POTENTIALLY, WELL, I I'M THINKING THIS ONE OUGHT TO BE THE LAST BOARD MEMBERS TENURE, THE TWO YEAR TENURE.
UH, YOU WANT TO DO IT EVERY TWO YEARS, MAIL POLICY ANNUALLY AS OUR POLICY.
WE HAVE CONSISTENT, UH, MEMBERS IN THERE FOR THAT TIME PERIOD.
THAT'S WHY LAST YEAR OF THE TWO YEAR PERIOD VINYL, I DO IT EVERY YEAR.
THAT'S WHY I JUST WANT THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE DOING THE EVALUATION BY EVALUATING THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE ON THE BOARD.
AND THAT'S WHY TRICIA SAID JANUARY ONE, 2022, JANUARY ONE, 2021, JANUARY ONE TO DECEMBER ONE, UH, DECEMBER 31ST, THE CALENDAR YEAR.
YEAH, ONE FULL CALENDAR YEAR AND JANUARY ONE IS THE OBVIOUS STARTING DATE.
CAUSE THAT WOULD ENSURE THAT ANY NEW BOARD MEMBERS SWORN IN GET BACK FULL YEAR IN, UM, OF OBSERVATION.
UM, SOMETHING ELSE WAS A POINT ON THAT.
SO YOUR TIP, SO YOUR CAR, SO GOING TO THE END OF JANUARY, YOU'VE MIXED UP YOUR TENTS BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOUR CURRENT.
IF YOU'RE KEEPING EVERYTHING PAST, I'M SAYING JANUARY ONE TO DECEMBER 1ST, CAUSE THEN YOU'RE EVALUATING SOMETHING THAT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED.
ROBIN, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO GET, I THINK IT'S THIS CALENDAR YEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I KNOW DECEMBER OF 20, 21 YEAR.
SO WHAT WAS IT JANUARY TO DECEMBER, 2020, CORRECT.
THEY ARE, THEY ARE, THEY'LL ASK THEIR QUESTIONS IF THEY'RE CONFUSED AND I HOPE YOU GUYS CAN BE ABLE TO ANSWER THEM ANOTHER SUGGESTION.
CAN I ADD ANOTHER SUGGESTION? SO, UM, ONCE WE DO THE TABULATION, I WOULD COULD TABULATE IT AND THEN SEND IT JUST, UM, WORK WITH MAIL, BUT SEND IT TO YOU ALL AS THE COMMITTEE SO THAT YOU COULD SEE WHAT THE FINAL TABULATIONS ARE FOR VENTRICLE WORK.
WOULD THAT WORK FOR YOU ALL? OKAY.
SO THAT'S THE POOL BOARD, RIGHT? ROBIN, YOU'RE SENDING TO THE KEYBOARD, JUST SENDING IT TO YOU ALL AS THE COMMITTEE SO THAT YOU WALK AS THE COMMITTEE, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TABULATION.
IT IS JUST A MATTER OF ADDING THE FORMULAS UP AND THAT'S IN THE PAIN, BUT ONCE IT'S, ONCE I COMBINE IT, I SEND IT TO YOU ALL AS A COMMITTEE
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WHERE YOUR REVIEW AND THEN YOU ALL WOULD PRESENT IT TO THE FULL BOARD.THAT'S GOING TO BE A BOARD PRESENTATION, JUST LIKE THE VALUATION.
WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE DO IT IN A PUBLIC JOANNE.
AND THEN ALSO, UM, UM, I WAS GONNA SAY ALSO REALLY, UH, IF WE, IF WE USING THIS EXPRESSION, UH, EXPRESS, UH, IS THIS EXCEL SPREADSHEET, EXCEL WILL AUTOMATICALLY TELL YOU THAT.
CORRECT? UH, ONCE EVERYONE HAS PUT THIS PLUGIN YEAH.
SO WHAT IS THE VALUE OF THE COMMITTEE GETTING THE RESULTS PRIOR TO THE FULL BOARD SO WE CAN LOOK AND SEE WHAT THAT'S, WHAT WE DO.
SO WOULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN, PLEASE NOW YOU'RE MUTED.
I THINK HIS INTERNET IS JUST GOTCHA.
I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT IT COMING BACK TO THE FULL COMMITTEE PRIOR TO THE FULL BOARD.
ONLY BECAUSE WE DON'T GET THE, UM, DIFFERENT COMMITTEE DOES NOT GET AT THE ROOTS.
AND THEN PRIOR TO THE FULL BOARD GET, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO I DON'T KNOW THE ADVANTAGE OF THAT EXTRA STEP.
I ENDED UP WORKING OUT THE RESULTS.
THAT'S HOW I WAS GOING TO SAY THEY WORK GOT THE RESULTS.
SO THEY HAVE THE RESULTS BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES WHO ACTUALLY, UH, THEY'RE THE ONES WHO ASKED YOU ACTUALLY TALLIED IT UP.
SO WELL THEY LEAVE DOING OUR LADY WORK.
I THOUGHT THAT JUST THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE AND THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD, THE TABULATION OF THE RESULTS, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL THAT AS WELL AS MYSELF OR A MOLLY AT THIS POINT.
SO THOSE WERE THE ONLY TWO PEOPLE, THREE PEOPLE WHO ARE INVOLVED IN THE TWO PEOPLE.
WELL, CAN I SAY SOMETHING? UM, THE ONLY REASON WE HAD THAT SET UP WHERE THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE AND THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD HAD TO COME TOGETHER BECAUSE WE WERE DOING IT ALL ON PAPER.
NOW IT'S ALL JOHNNY, THE NUMBERS YOU'VE DONE FOR US.
ROBYN CAN TABULATE THIS JUST LIKE PLUGGING IN THE NUMBERS THAT WE SEND IN.
I'M SURE IT DON'T MATTER ANYWAY.
SO ROBERT CAN SELL IT TO THE FULL BOARD.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S WHY WE USE THE SPREADSHEET.
IT DOES THE TABULATING FOR US.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE PAPER AND PENCIL.
SO LIKE TINA AND, AND DAVID'S DRIVEN, YOU'RE HAD TO MEET BECAUSE EVERYTHING WAS DONE ON PAPER AND THEY CAME TOGETHER TO TABULATE THE SUPERINTENDENTS EVALUATION RESULTS, BUT WE DON'T NEED THAT BECAUSE WE, WE HAD THE FOURTH OF WHAT TO USE THIS SPREADSHEET.
I'M NOT SURE USUALLY SPREADSHEET IS, BUT HELLO.
I'M NOT GETTING, SEND IT TO EVERYBODY.
SO MY QUESTION WILL BE, WILL WE GET TOGETHER BEFORE WE DISCUSS IT AS A, AS A BOARD? OKAY.
I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO IT BESIDES IT'S NOT LIKE WE LINING UP WHERE WE WERE, WHERE WE WANT TO SEND THE GROUP.
I HOPE THEY GO IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
YOU'RE IN THEM, ALL THE THINGS WE CAN GIVE THEM.
AND SO THEY CAN LOOK AT, WE CAN LOOK AT OURSELVES AS A UNIT AND SAY, OKAY, WE SEE IT.
LET'S PUT IT IN THE TRASH OR LET'S DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
I WILL SEND THIS TO YOU ALL TOMORROW.
UM, BEFORE IT GOES TO THE BOARD ON WEDNESDAY SO THAT YOU COULD SEE YOUR CHANGES IN THE STUFF THAT YOU'VE MADE.
SO SOMETIME TOMORROW EVENING, YOU'LL GET THIS BEFORE THE BOARD SEES IT WEDNESDAY.
SO THAT I'VE INCORPORATED THE HEADINGS AND THE THINGS THAT YOU WANT IT.
HOW WILL THAT BE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD ON WEDNESDAY? UM, WE'LL JUST, WELL, OKAY.
SEND AN EMAIL OR YOU CAN SEND AN EMAIL SAYING THIS IS A DRAFT FROM THE SELF-EVALUATION.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE GOING TO GET IT OFFICIALLY OUT OF A MEETING.
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YOU CAN SEND, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEND AN EMAIL SAYING THIS IS A DRAFT OF COMING FROM THE EVALUATION COMMITTEE THAT YOU WANT THE FULL BOARD TO REVIEW PRIOR TO THE DECEMBER 8TH BOARD MEETING.AND THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THAT'S FINE.
I JUST WANNA KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO GET IT.
I CAN EMAIL IT ON YOUR, ON THE COMMITTEE'S BEHALF AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO, FOR THE BOARD TO REVIEW, UM, PRIOR TO THE DECEMBER 8TH MEETING.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS? UH, BELABOR, NO FISHER.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS AS WE ALL KNOW.
JOANNE, I MEAN, UH, IT'S A GOOD PRODUCT.
AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, WE'LL MEET ONE MORE TIME JUST TO SAY GOODBYE.
THAT'LL PROBABLY BE AFTER THE BOARD OR YOU WANT TO DO IT AFTER THE BOARD VALUATION, AFTER HE DIED, THEN EVERYTHING.
SO THAT WAY YOU CAN DISCUSS WHATEVER FEEDBACK THAT YOU GET FROM THEM.
AND WHERE WE NEED TO GO FROM THERE, JOE, AND I WILL DISMISS BACK OFFICES, BUT SHE WON'T BE HERE TO MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS.
THEY HELP MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS.
BUT SO, UM, I GUESS WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO OUR SCOPE AND THE ORIGINAL MOTION TO FORM THIS COMMITTEE.
WHEN ARE WE DONE? I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A GOOD RECALL OF WHAT THAT MOTION SAID.
UM, WHETHER THE CHAIR ASSISTED WITH, YOU KNOW, DETERMINING WHAT THE SCOPE OF THIS COMMITTEE WOULD BE, I GUESS THAT ALL DEPENDS ON, ON THAT ORIGINAL MOTION TO ESTABLISH THIS COMMITTEE BE HERE, BUT YOU MIGHT WANT TO REFER BACK TO THAT JUST TO, I THINK THEY GOT THAT.
IT WAS JUST THE CREATIVE SELF EVALUATION TOOL THAT PUT A BOARD TO CONSIDER.
I DON'T HAVE THE MULCH, THE EXACT WORDING, BUT THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT YOUR SCOPE WAS.
SO I THINK MAYBE ONCE WE HAND IT OFF AND THE BOARD ADOPTS IT, GOD WILLING.
I APPRECIATE IT ALL THE EFFORT THAT WAS PUT INTO THIS WORK AND LET'S GO FORWARD.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP NOW.
THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING SUPPORTIVE OF MY SHAKINESS, MS. TRISHA, I WILL BE CONTACTING YOU AND I'LL GET WITH YOU.
I APPRECIATE ALL YOU DO, HONEY.
SO LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, OUR FINANCE COMMITTEE IS MEETING ONE LAST TIME OF DECEMBER.
WE HAD NO AGENDA ITEMS OTHER THAN TO BUTTON UP AND APPROVE ANY REMAINING SETS OF MINUTES AND ADJOURN.
THAT'S HOW WE'RE CLOSING OUTBACK COMMITTEE.
UM, WE ACCOMPLISHED A LOT TODAY AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A SET OF MINUTES ATTACHED TO IT.
SO IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT THE COMMITTEE OR A QUORUM OF THE COMMITTEE WOULD NEED TO MEET ONE LAST MINIMALLY JUST FOR THAT SOLITARY TASK, BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE TO MAKE CERTAIN, ALL THE MINUTES ARE UPLOADED TO THE WEBSITE AND DOCUMENTED IN CHRONICLE, YADA YADA, YADA.
SO, UM, THAT MAY BE ONE LAST MEETING WE HAVE PERHAPS JUST TO APPROVE MINUTES.
WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS THIS SUGGESTED THAT WE MEET AND CLOSE OUT THE BUSINESS, THEN WHAT, THEN THAT'S THE SUGGESTION AFTER THE DECEMBER 8TH MEETING.
SO THAT WAY YOU HAVE WHATEVER THE BOARD HAS DECIDED TO DO WITH THIS DOCUMENT, THEY MIGHT COME BACK AND SAY, DO SOME MORE WORK.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU NEED TO HAVE A MEETING AFTER THE EIGHTH TO FINALIZE EVERYTHING.
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THEY COULD HAVE ACCEPTED EVERYTHING AS IT IS.AND AS JOANNE SAYS, YOU'RE SCHEDULED ONE MEETING TO PROVE THE LAST MINUTES AND WHATEVER CHANGES MIGHT COME OUT OF THAT DECEMBER EIGHT, THAT DON'T HAVE THAT WITH BEARING ON THE, ON THE, ON THE FINAL MEETING OF DISCUSSION.
SO WHAT DAY DO I WANT TO MEET YOU? I DON'T KNOW, GONE, BUT THEY WANT TO MEET, WAIT, HOLD ON.
I HAVE JOANNE ON THE PHONE NOW BECAUSE HER COMPUTER JUST DIED.
DID YOU ALL HEAR? NO, I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT SHE SAID.
I HEARD MUMBLING, WELL, I'VE BEEN JUST CONVEYED WITH MY COMPUTER, HER COMPUTER CUT OUT AND SHE HAD NOTHING MORE TO ADD.
SO THAT'S AND SHE WAS APOLOGIZING FOR THAT.
WE NEED A DATE TO MEET CLOSE OUT MEETING AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A DATE FOR A CLOSEOUT MEETING.
UM, SO YOU KNOW, WHENEVER WAKING, WE'RE JUST MEETING TO BUTTON UP MINUTES AND APPROVE MINUTES.
UM, JOANNE IS FREE ANYTIME SHE SAID.
UM, SO I'M ALSO OPEN TO, UM, SO DO WE WANT TO DO IT AFTER THE, WHAT WE'RE HOPING IS THE SPECIAL CALLED MEETING ON THE 14TH OR 15TH, BUT LIKE THAT, BUT I DON'T SEE WHY WE CAN'T DO IT EARLIER THAN THAT, BUT IF THE BOARD, YEAH.
UM, HOW ABOUT THE NINTH? HOW ABOUT THE NINTH AT 11? O'CLOCK ALL RIGHT.
THE NIGHT THAT 11 O'CLOCK THAT'S ON A WEDNESDAY? NO.
BYE-BYE UH, WE HAD A MEETING ON THE 16TH AT TWO O'CLOCK.
SO MALE, OUR ACADEMIC COMMITTEE MEETING IS THE 16TH THAT TOO.
WE HAVE A MEETING THAT DAY OR TWO ON THE 16TH.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT TIME.
SO WE HAVE IT ON THE NINTH AT 11 O'CLOCK THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT'S BEEN ALL THE BUSINESS THAT I HAVE OTHER BUSINESS.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADJOURN.